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Dean, Family, and the Final Scene of 5x17


So, as some of you may know, I actually try to avoid other people's reviews of episodes, because I can't stand negativity. I only read a select few reviews on my flist (people who I know form solid well-thought-out opinions that come from a positive place, or people who at least haven't pissed me off so far).

However, I did read a few other reviews for 5x17. Just a couple, mostly because I couldn't really help it, or well...I got really bored yesterday.

One thing I noticed was that a few people seem to be confused as to the emotional relevance of Lisa and Ben. There's been a lot of:

"I don't get it. He had one weekend of sex with her, saw her briefly one other time. And he's making sure she and some kid that's not even his are protected? What about Bobby?"

My question is: Have these reviewers never accidentally turned someone into a fantasy? Maybe they haven't. Maybe these reviewers are all 18 years-old and have never been in love with an idea of someone, instead of the actual someone.

Dean's a family-man. It's pretty goddamn clear that Dean is all about family. What would be more appealing to Dean than a ready-made family? A wife he knows is amazing in bed, and a son he knows he'll get along with. Does it matter if the kid is his biologically? I think anyone who has adopted children, or has adopted family members, would tell you that DNA really doesn't matter. It doesn't matter how much or how little time Dean has spent with Lisa. He's in love with the IDEA of her and Ben. 

And I think it's such a given that Dean would ask for ALL his loved ones (including Bobby) to be protected, that he doesn't feel the need to TELL Bobby...plus, Bobby would call him an idiot for deciding to say yes, so he can't really go to Bobby's house and give him a sappy speech. Lisa, however, doesn't know what's going on - so she won't know what he's about to do. Moreover, he wants to tell her because Bobby and Sam both KNOW Dean loves them, but Lisa doesn't know that he does...she doesn't know that he's probably thought of her offer to stay with her and Ben mostly every since she made it. So, like most people, before he dies he wants to make sure that everyone he loves knows that they are loved by him - even if he doesn't realize that he's only in love with the idea of them.

So, I thought the ending was great. It's not necessarily Dean saying goodbye to Lisa-the-love-of-his-life. It's Dean saying goodbye to the idea that he could have a family. It's Dean sacrificing himself so that other people CAN have families. Lisa and Ben are just a stand in for the families of the world, and it's Dean basically saying "I'm going to sacrifice myself so that everyone else can be happy."

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stephie_nhbg
Apr. 11th, 2010 12:20 am (UTC)
FINALLY SOMEONE WHO GETS IT.

I love you so much right now, seriously. SO FREAKING MUCH. I hate that no one seems to understand where Dean is coming from, maybe it's because the people who are complaining have never dealt with actual Depression, or they don't know how to connect their personal experiences with characters, but it rubs me the wrong way when all I hear are reviews bashing Dean and the way he's dealing with things. Including his tossing of the amulet, his loss of fight, and his symbolic goodbyes. Because everything Dean has done since Joshua sent Sam and Dean back has been classic pre-suicidal behavior, EVERYTHING. The short temper, the loss of interest, taking everything so close to heart, and the way he's been saying goodbye. He said goodbye to Sam with the amulet, to Bobby and Cas by distancing himself, and to the world by saying goodbye to the last of his dreams in the form of Lisa and Ben. Honestly, I think they've been doing a spot on job with Dean's downward spiral. so AGAIN, I commend you for being so totally and completely right.
hells_half_acre
Apr. 11th, 2010 05:06 am (UTC)
Awesome, I love you too! Glad I'm not the only one who thinks that Show is doing a really great job at showing the state of Dean's mind at the moment!

I can only assume that the people who are complaining are impossibly young things who have never been in love with an idea and don't know what a downward depression spiral looks/feels like. Good for them, I guess :P
stephie_nhbg
Apr. 11th, 2010 05:45 am (UTC)
:D rofl, if only all of us could be that ignorant. I'm excited to see how Misha Collins manages Cas' downward spiral next week. because he knocked the 'get insanely drunk and depressed' phase scarily well on Thursday didn't he? I swear Show is really knocking the characterization out of the park this half of the season aren't they?
hells_half_acre
Apr. 11th, 2010 06:25 am (UTC)
if only all of us could be that ignorant
lol, amen.

I'm excited to see how Misha Collins manages Cas' downward spiral next week.
Yet another aspect of the show that is efficiently breaking my heart into little pieces. Sometimes I wish the characterizations weren't as good as they are, just to save me heartbreak :-P

But yes, I'm suitably impressed with everyone.

stephie_nhbg
Apr. 11th, 2010 06:38 am (UTC)
I KNOW, it's almost self masochism to watch these days isn't it? but then Misha starts talking, and you don't know whether to laugh or cry. rofl.
hells_half_acre
Apr. 11th, 2010 06:43 am (UTC)
lol indeed. Castiel's voice mail message this week nearly killed me with laughter - than him being all drunk and depressed nearly killed me with heartbreak :-P

love the icon ;)
stephie_nhbg
Apr. 11th, 2010 08:01 am (UTC)
did you smile in geeky glee when he told the Enochian joke? I TOTALLY DID, and he GRINNED, it was awesome, I'm glad that I was home alone during the episode, because I'm pretty sure I made a lot of squee-ing sounds. scratch that, totally sure, because my almost deaf dog started talking to me (she only hears shrill sounds and whistles), I had to pause the tv and have a talk with her about how she's 14 now, and should know better than to bark while I'm in the zone, and that there's a no speaking rule during supernatural, which was a rather pointless endeavor considering that she couldn't hear me. which I realized after the fact, when the other two dogs started barking and my sister's guinea pigs started chirping. I swear I live in a menagerie. the downside to moving back in with my parents. the upside? three puppy's who now love ME the most, which is a fairly big thing, because Duchess is OLD and used to HATE ME with a FIERY passion, until I moved back and she started having conversations with me by barking, and Sienna used to love me most because she's technically MINE, and now Remy, who is a five pound eight month old IDIOT, he tried to fight a possum yesterday. I'm pretty sure the only reason he didn't die a furry death is because Sienna's a hunting dog and wouldn't let him. WOW, that's a pretty long tangent isn't it?

also? your icon is awesome as well. :)
hells_half_acre
Apr. 11th, 2010 08:17 am (UTC)
Haha! You ever watch Due South? You remind me of Benton and Dief when you talk about carefully explaining things to your deaf dog ;)

And yes, I did smile like a dork at Castiel's Enochian joke ;-)

I must admit, I love it when Castiel smiles - sadly, I doubt we'll get much of it in the coming weeks :P
stephie_nhbg
Apr. 11th, 2010 08:43 am (UTC)
rofl, yes. but Duchess is meaner, this clip?



pretty much me and Sienna, except she's spoiled rotten and paws at you if you try to talk to her without petting her, she's remarkably similar to Dief really. opinions and everything. rofl.

also? whenever I want Castiel smiles and know they won't come? I look up videos of Misha Collins at conventions. I swear he's so crack-y and lulz-y that I wouldn't believe it if there wasn't proof. also? if you haven't seen this? WATCH IT.



Edited at 2010-04-11 08:47 am (UTC)
hells_half_acre
Apr. 11th, 2010 08:56 am (UTC)
Ha! Awesome clips. I love Fraser's one-sided(?) conversations with Dief. I talk to dogs that way too...well, admittedly, I talk to the air that way, but when it comes down to it there's probably not THAT much difference.

Misha is hilarious - I'm hoping there's a bit more Misha on the blooper reel for the S5 DVDs.
stephie_nhbg
Apr. 11th, 2010 09:30 am (UTC)
they BETTER have more Misha in this gag reel, we know for sure that Jared pinched/slapped/groped Misha's ass during filming, and honestly if I don't see proof It didn't happen. PLUS, we all know that as ridiculous as Jared is Misha is on a whole new level of ridiculous. Plus, I'm at the point now where I feel that the phrase In conclusion? Needs more Misha applies to all aspects of life.
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