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Quick Reaction: 14x13 Lebanon


Welcome to the 300th episode!! I can hardly believe it. I've been doing these Quick Reactions since just before the 100th. 

In those days, I watched the show with my sister on an old non-HD TV that was permanently set to "dark" and so I couldn't see any action that happened in a dark room. MEMORIES! It was the year after that I met my local friend who started having me over on SPN night for dinner, wine, and the show...and that's what we still do to this day. 

So, since I have indeed had wine, the usual rules apply - I have watched the show once, while taking crappy notes and drinking. Quotes are not meant to be accurate.

And before I get into it, I'd just like to thank all those who still read my ramblings all these years later, even though LJ is now a mostly dead platform.

Now, let's actually get into it...

I thought they were going to do an epic recap with a song and everything, but in the end, they actually didn't - it was a fairly standard recap, except for showing young 26 year-old Dean at the very beginning informing us that Dad went on a hunting trip and hasn't been home in a few days.

When we join up with NOW, Sam and Dean are entering a pawn shop - where they show a full billfold in order to get access to "the good stuff" - they claim to be looking for the skull of a witch named Sarah Good from the Salem Witch Trials.... but really, as we learn, they're there to avenge a fellow hunter, named Bart Cam(?), who was killed and robbed. The shady supernatural artifact collector (Bella style, but with a permanent shop, rather than on a by-request business), fights back, but ultimately gloats just a little too long while he's winding up to kill Sam with a sword. Dean shoots him in the back, and tells us "they always talk too much!" And it's hilarious, and also a very small shout-out to the Indiana Jones moment that everyone loves. They decide that the best thing to do is to clear out the pawn-shop guy's place, now that he's dead.

We return to Lebanon, where we meet up with some teens outside a movie theatre (that is, for some reason, focusing on horror movies that month) and young-teen-boy is telling the girls about *someones* that "they say [are] brothers", but how he once heard a knock and breathing coming from the trunk of their car. 

As someone who loves outsider POV - I AM LOVING THIS.

Then the Winchester's pull up, and exit the car talking about whether everything they have in their trunk is lethal or not - and then they go into an local pub/off-sales place (I don't know how it works in the states, but we call bars that can sell alcohol that you can take home off-sales here in Canadaland). We find out that the brother's go by the last name Campbell in town. (Awww).

We also find out that Jack and Cas are currently out on a hunt with "Jules and her crew" - and I had to remember that Jules was a hunter from the AU, and not just my friend Jules, admin of the SuperWiki, but I am thrilled on her behalf that she got a little shoutout in the 300th episode - she does such a great job making sure that such a valuable fandom resource keeps its lights on. I'll say it again, but the SupernaturalWiki has SPOILED me on fan-wikis. 

...Oh, and there's a magical item that will grant your hearts deepest desire and it could be the answer to all their problems.

Back with the teens, they wonder where the Winchesters even came from. Then we start seeing that the blond teen has a crush on the brunette teen... and as the brunette leaves the group, she stops by the car and runs her hand over the hood, complimenting it. And the Lady-Draco teen gets a look in her eye, that has me writing "Is she going to steal the car?" in my notes... and then she DOES.

Sam and Dean see her take off through the window and rush out of the liquor store. Young-boy-teen is still milling around the theatre, dumbfounded as to what he witnessed. He tells the Winchesters "I don't want to die!" much to Sam's confusion, because only we know that he thinks the Winchesters might be murderers. But still, the kid tries not to rat out his friend... though he admits that her name is Max and she's new in town.

The next stop is, surprisingly, the greyhound station ETA: It's the post-office (I always get those logos confused, because I am a weird foreign who doesn't know the difference between an eagle and a dog) - where Sam seems super shady trying to find a young girl's phone number - but Dean comes in and immediately woos the lady (who already knows him) into giving him at least SOME information. She ends up telling them where they can find the girl's mother.

Turns out, she's a waitress at a local restaurant. She is not impressed when she's informed of her daughter's shenanigans, especially since her daughter was SUPPOSED to be in school. The cook pipes up to inform us that it's February 7th, and therefore "skip day" where all the local teens go to an abandoned house outside of town and party... because it's a small town and times are boring.

The teens brought all the stuff into the house to have a laugh. One of those things, as Sam told us when he was itemizing the things for Dean while they talks in the liquor store earlier, was John Wayne Gacy's cigar box. And sure enough, we see the cigar box open and a clown-like smokey hand materialize.

Young-boy-teen comes to worn the girls that the brother's are after them, but they do not heed his warnings.

Meanwhile, another teen goes to use the bathroom and is bemused by the fact that it's super cold in there for some reason...and then he sees Gacy in the mirror. I'm super bummed because that kid looked like a nice kid, and I don't want him to die.

Then Sam and Dean pull up in a REALLY SWEET old truck, seriously.

And the kid is still alive! Yay! He is just leaving the party now because an evil clown tried to kill him! (My notes record this by saying "Cool, he lived!"

Sam and Dean quickly clear out the party by flashing their badges and guns - and then Sam spots the cigar box and goes to burn it. Dean quips that this is the best and worst thing that's ever happened to Sam, because he loves serial killers, but hates clowns. Sam is too busy to engage with such quips, but I enjoyed it immensely. (though, if I were Sam, I would have pedantically pointed out that having-an-interest-in is not the same as 'loving').

The three main teens run back in just as Gacy goes up in flames, so they have to be sat down and given the "truth" speech too. They're warned to keep it a secret.

Back at the bunker, Sam and Dean get out the magic pearl, and Dean makes his wish - for Michael to be out of his head.

They're immediately attacked by someone, as the lights flicker and then flash red. They fight back, but eventually the intruder gets Dean at gun point - just in time for the lights to come back on and have it revealed that it's John. Both my friend and I would have preferred NOT being spoiled for that reveal, but there was absolutely no avoiding it in the last few weeks.

John is confused - isn't Sam supposed to be in Palo Alto? Dean asks him what year he thinks it is, and John tells him 2003. (Fun fact: just because he wasn't mentioned, but my friend and I had this discussion afterwards, it was around 2002/2003 when John was made away of Adam's existence. Sam went to Stanford at some point before the semester started in the fall of 2002). My friend and I also joked about how John didn't comment on Sam's looks - because 30-something year-old Sam looks MUCH DIFFERENT than 19/20 year-old Sam would have looked. "College has NOT been kind to you, son - you look like you've aged a decade in just a year!")

The boys poor some whiskey and bring John up to speed. "Now you live in a secret bunker with an angel and Lucifer's kid?" - Yup, it's a lot to take in. (Also, sidenote: because it confused my friend at the time too - when they tell John about his father, and he repeats "the Men of Letters", he's REPEATING something they already told him that happened before we joined the scene - it's not John already knowing. He's repeating it for confirmation that that's what they had said earlier. It's all in tone.)

Just as they're breaking the news that Mary is alive again, Mary comes home and demonstrates, saving them the trouble - then her and John make out, and Sam subtly suggests to Dean that they leave them to it.

Dean explains why John came back to Sam - that this is what he's wanted since he was 4, to have his family back together.... and ugh, as if that wasn't heartbreaking enough, we still have a lot of episode left to go for even MORE. Sam is all like "this cannot lead to anything good" and Dean gets mad, asking why he can't just have ONE family dinner without Sam harshing his buzz.

We then cut to Sam coming upon John as he peruses the books in the library. John explains that Mary is busy making an inventory of what they need at the store, so that she can make her casserole. Sam laughs and says that he and Dean tried to make that once - and it's the same story that Dean tried to tell Mary last episode, that ended with John losing his temper - because John remembers and apologizes to Sam.

He apologizes to Sam for everything and Sam is like "it's all good", and John can't quite fathom it, because he only knows young-fighty Sam... and Sam explains how, to him, that fight was a lifetime ago. But then he realizes that John needs this conversation, maybe even more than Sam does, so he has it - he tells John that the truth is that John did do some messed up things as their father, but that Sam doesn't think about the fights when he thinks of John - and he DOES think of John a lot - he thinks about John's death and how he never got to say goodbye. 

And John and Sam have a good cry, and John repeats that he's sorry, and Sam says he's sorry too - but he feels that John fought for them and loved them, and that was enough for Sam to forgive him for anything that he got wrong on the way.

Back with Dean, we see Mary handing off the shopping list, and then Sam snags Dean on his way out, tells him he's right and that they should enjoy the time they have - and asks if he wants company going into town. Dean always wants company, so it's a plan!

In Lebanon, things start to go amiss. Jackson at the liquor store doesn't recognize Dean. Sam sees Max on the street and she doesn't seem to recognize him either. He sees the lady in the greyhound place, and she shuts the blinds rather than engage with him - and then he spots a wanted poster for Dean - murder, assault, and credit-card fraud. He catches up with Dean to inform him - Dean already knows and has googled Sam. Sam, as it turns out, runs a law firm, dresses like Steve Jobs, and gives Ted Talks on staying focused by not having any hobbies or family. So, yeah, for some reason yanking John out of the timeline in 2003 REALLY changes things up in weird ways.

Sam believes that it's not so much that they've started another timeline, it's more that they've created a temporal paradox, where they both live in the Bunker with mom and dad, AND are these weird new versions of themselves, who are still a drifting hunter and a weird famous yuppie lawyer respectively.

Then things get really weird, because new paradox-timeline Zachariah and Castiel show up to try to figure out what's going on with time. 

There's some great lines here, btw. Zach calls Castiel "Constantine" and Castiel replies "I don't understand that reference" and it's all great. What's even more great, is that they originally killed Zachariah in the 100th episode, so it's been 200 episodes since we saw him! Wow!

Zach tells us that someone has been messing with time, and that Lebanon is always muddy for angels - that there's some sort of interference there.

They go into the restaurant, where it's just the teens and Max's mom having some hangs. Zachariah starts making threats. My notes say "Castiel vamps" hahaha, which means that he says "I'm an Angel of the Lord" and shows off his (non-broken) wings. The Winchesters see the glow that can only be an angel showing off, and storm in to see what's up. Zachariah is confused, but then puts it together that it must have been them who messed things up - so then it's attack time! Castiel doesn't know them at all, which means that we get a good Dean and Cas fight, while Sam kills Zachariah (My friend yells "And we'll kill him a third time in the 500th episode!") Castiel then bashes Sam's head in a little, but not enough that Sam can't manage a banishing sigil in his own blood. 

Back at the Bunker, Dean breaks the news to John about the temporal paradox. Dean tells him that Sam figures that they'll eventually blend into a new reality - but that Mary isn't alive in that reality, so eventually she'll fade away. John tells Dean that if it's "me versus your mom - that's not a choice." 

Meanwhile, Sam breaks the news to Mary - she is sad. He tells her that they just need to destroy the pearl to send John back to his own time, and then the paradox will go away. But John won't remember.

John and Dean's conversation raps up, and John sends Dean off to help his mom - and I got SUPER NERVOUS that John was going to leave right then, without saying a proper goodbye (since he's done that before), but apparently he listened to Sam earlier, because he doesn't. Instead he stops Dean briefly before he goes, and tells him that he never meant for any of this - that he's proud of Dean - but that he always meant for it to end with Yellow-Eyes and he hoped that Dean would go on to have a normal life and a family. Dean corrects him and tells him that he DOES have a family.

The final family dinner is at first somber and awkward, but John tells them that they have a choice with it - and he chooses to be grateful for the time they've been given, instead of thinking about how it's going to end. After that, they have a lovely dinner filled with banter and laughter.

Afterwards, Sam and Dean are washing the dishes, and Sam says that it's not fair... that it'd be better if John would remember, because think of what he could do with the knowledge! Dean disagrees - saying that it doesn't stop there. He admits that for a long time he blamed Dad for their life, or even blamed Mom, and that he was really angry about it all.... but that he's thought of it before, why don't they even send John further back, prevent it all from happening (like Dean tried to do In The Beginning) - but "problem is - who does that make us?"

At first, I was thinking that he meant who would it make them MORALLY in sticking someone else with the apocalypse problem... but what he actually means is that everything they've been through makes them who they are today, and Dean is GOOD with who he is. "Our lives are ours" and perhaps he's "too old to want to change that."
And that sentiment, to me, really does bring this show into middle-age - because when the show started, it was very much a young-person's show. It was asking the question "What will you do with the world you've inherited? How will you approach the great expectations/destiny thrust upon you?"  and now the show is asking the question "Are you satisfied with the decisions that you have made? With the life you are living?" and Dean's answer here is a resounding YES. 

Then we come to the true goodbyes. John tells Mary that he misses her and they share a last kiss. Then he tells BOTH the boys to take care of each other. Sam replies that they always do. He tells them that he is proud of them. Then we get HUGS, and he tells them that he loves them both so much. Dean tells him that he loves him too. 

Then John gives Sam a nod, and Sam destroys the pearl. Leaving John to fade away.

(Here my friend and I paused the show for a moment to discuss the decision. At first, my friend was like "But the only thing wrong with the world was that they didn't have a relationship - arguably, wasn't that timeline better? There didn't appear to be an apocalypse, and Dean didn't have Michael in his head - the only thing wrong with it was that they weren't close. Did they just choose their relationship over saving the world?" And I pointed out that that wasn't actually the case - 1)that was a wonky time paradox, so who knows what might have happened when it evened out, and more importantly, 2)Mary would have died. So, basically, they had to decide between having their mother, their relationship (Cas and Jack) and the world they knew, or having their dad, none of that other stuff, and a world they didn't know, and finally 3)It sounded like they explained everything to John and let him decide, and of course he'd choose to save Mary.)

We rejoin the teens, where young-boy-teen is still geeking out over the fact that monsters are real. Also, Max and brunette teen are now holding hands - so young love wins.

Cas returns to the Bunker to have Dean, Sam, and Mary staring at him strangely (and Dean and Sam with bruises on their faces), and he's like "what happened?" 

Meanwhile, back in 2003, John wakes up in the Impala to the ringing of his flip phone. It's Dean. John tells Dean that he just had a crazy dream... it was a good one, and he's see him soon.

And then my brain immediately flies to fun THEORIES - because the truth of the matter is that by the time we caught up with John in 2005, he was sixteen steps beyond anyone else in knowing what the hell was going on at all times... and we always put it down to him being a bad ass smarty-pants (because he was), but whose to say he didn't get a little tip on figuring things out by a really weird dream he had that one time where his grown sons gave him a run down of a possible future.

Anyway, it was a really good episode - full of feels - closure for Sam with a father who KNEW the state of their relationship one of the last times they truly spoke, and a reaffirming that they're proud of what they've done, happy with who they are, and that they're brotherhood and their chosen family is still the most important thing.


Looks like the show is on hiatus until March 7th! (with a concerning preview for the next episode, that I'll just try not to get too anxious over). So that gives me a whole month to try to get a little bit ahead in my rewatches and other projects!

As usual, let me know your thoughts in comments!!

This entry was originally posted at https://hells-half-acre.dreamwidth.org/572175.html.


( 25 comments — Leave a comment )
Feb. 8th, 2019 06:33 am (UTC)
...he (Sam) thinks about John's death and how he never got to say goodbye.

Most poignant line of the episode for me.

It was an interesting way to end up with the boys, especially Dean, reaffirming they accept this is the life they are supposed to have.

Also interesting that they pulled John from 2003, which leads to all kinds of wondering about how did the timeline change so drastically from there, and like you speculate, what did John retain that made a difference?

Love the symmetry which never occurred to me of killing Zachariah in 100 and 300--and I totally endorse your friend's idea of killing him again in 500!
Feb. 8th, 2019 08:51 am (UTC)
My take is that it wasn't actually what would happen with that one change, but with tons of changes - like, Dean heart's desire was probably more complicated than "I want my dad" - it was probably "I want my family together at home (the Bunker) and I want Michael out of my head, and I want the world to be safe" - so the pearl had to invent a really BIZARRE timeline where a whole series of events happened differently.
Feb. 8th, 2019 09:37 am (UTC)
Just a note--I think the woman Sam was trying to get Max's address from was in the post office, not a Greyhound office.
Feb. 8th, 2019 06:43 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I've already made the correction. I get logos confused, because I'm used to post offices being red, and bus companies being blue.
Feb. 8th, 2019 06:55 am (UTC)
It was fun to see a little bit of the town and how Dean and Sam integrate into it. I, too, love outsider POV fics, so it was fun to see a little bit what others think of Dean and Sam. It would be fun to see some more of the town and towns people on other episodes. Now that we have had a glimpse, I hope we get some more.

I too was hoping for a different type of beginning, like something special with the opener. Alas, nothing. Little disappointing, but still it was nice how the THEN had so many views of early early seasons.

I hope we get to see more of the trinkets the boys gathered in that shop. Especially the dragon's breath. That's a pretty cool one. With all the stuff they have access too in the bunker and now these hidden jewels, you would think the brothers would have ways of handling monsters and other tools in which to fight them. I mean each episode Ketch was in in the BMOL season, he had a fun new weapon. Why can't the Winchesters have the same type of thing.

Yes, it would have been cool to be surprised that John was the one the boys were fighting when the lights went dark. What a huge reveal that would have been. But, the media circus that it is, there is no way that that big of a guest star could have stayed silent. It's been a media frenzy with the return of JDM to the show. What a lovely time it was too. I would have loved to see a couple more scenes with John, I'm a greedy girl when it comes to John, but the fact that he was in this episode was a lovely gift. Each moment spent with his family was beautiful and heart breaking. I think out of all the Winchesters Sam is the one that needed this little talk with his dad over anyone. Their relationship was always contentious and it was lovely to see them come to terms with who they were then, and who Sam is now. Most of all, it really struck me that Sam's biggest regret is that he didn't get to say goodbye to his dad. Man, that comment just brought the tears. That really struck me because a lot of the time when a loved one passes on we don't have the opportunity to say goodbye, sometimes death can be so sudden. I kinda had that moment with my dad, but I didn't with my mother. Her mental deterioration happened so suddenly and quickly that I never took the opportunity when I should have. So, now I'm big on always trying to leave my relationships, especially family, in good condition, so if something were to ever happen I will never have that regret of not being able to say goodbye. That one really hit me and I had no idea that that was one of Sam's biggest regrets.

I loved the final goodbyes. That John told his sons that he was proud of them and that he loved them. They never said that word, "love" growing up, so it was wonderful to have him say that to his sons. And that they can say it back. Such beautiful and poignant moments.
Feb. 8th, 2019 06:55 am (UTC)
Now, to the thinky thoughts. When Sam wondered why they couldn't keep John with them. Yes, the world that would exist if he did would be unknown. Dean and Sam would be very different characters. Sam would be the total opposite of a hunter. And Dean, I would guess that he might still be the same kind of person at 40 that he was at 27, when we first met him. Since he is still wanted by the cops that his personal growth hasn't really happened. Without his brother, I'm not quite sure we would like that Dean Winchester. So, the fact that Dean turns down the thought of sending John back to an earlier time so that they could have had a different life. But what would that different life have been like? Would it be somewhat like what he experienced in What Is And What Should Never Be? In that world, Dean and Sam weren't close. Do they want that? No When you are young you have all these hope and dreams about what your life will be and what you want to do. By the time you reach your 40s, 50s, and the show now, you do start asking yourself the question am I happy with where I am, who I am and what I have done. Sometimes that is hard to reconcile. And both Dean and Sam have had their struggles reconciling their lives as they are to what they wanted when they were young. I'm glad that Dean has come to that point where he is happy with who he is, what he is and , that Dean is satisfied with the decisions he has made, with the path and journey his life has taken and that he likes himself the way he is. I think seeing his dad again and being able to talk to him about his life and what has happened helped him to come to terms with everything and finally accept his life and led him to the point of what he said in his conversation with Sam. It is a very middle-age, grown-up approach for the show.

I love your theories about John. That he knew all the things he knew at the beginning of the show because of his visit with future Dean, Sam and Mary. I love that theory. It would be cool if they make that kind of suggestion in a future episode.

The one thing that I came away with is that John proved yet again of his undying love for his family. In the beginning he was willing to sacrifice himself to save Dean, and then in this episode, it was a no brainer for him to go back to his timeline so that Mary could live. So, basically, he sacrificed himself twice for his family. No one should ever doubt the love John has for his family. Because that is what life is all about, isn't it.
Feb. 8th, 2019 08:41 am (UTC)
Yes, yes, agree completely. Very well said.

I really don't have anything to add. Thank you for your astute thoughts!
Feb. 8th, 2019 09:47 pm (UTC)
I'd imagine that the Dean in this new world, would be a lot more like Gordon Walker, and considering the angels and demons are still messing with things, sooner or later the apocalypse would still happen. Only this time with a Dean who doesn't have the connection with his brother to resist giving in to Michael.
Feb. 8th, 2019 10:36 pm (UTC)
That's a very good comparison as to how Dean might be in this new world. He didn't Sam next to him to soften him up and make him see more of the greys. When we first met Dean he was very black and white, like Gordon. It was Sam that softened up. So without Sam I could see Dean becoming very much another Gordon. I was trying to think of a good comparison last night, but couldn't come up with anything. Gordon is perfect. Thanks. And yes, I agree, with demons and angels still in the mix, chances are Dean would have eventually said yes to Michael.
Feb. 8th, 2019 10:46 pm (UTC)
Yes - good points made by both of you. It might be a delayed apocalypse rather than a non-existent one. And I can definitely see Dean possibly going down the Gordon road - especially as his reaction to loosing Dad in S2 was to become chummy with Gordon and throw himself even further into hunting. It was Sam who pulled him back then - if Sam's reaction was to double-down on normalcy, then I can definitely see the split coming.
Feb. 8th, 2019 11:10 pm (UTC)
Yea, Dean was all mimicking Gordon in that episode until Sam started in on him and got him to see the situation from a different point of view. Without Sam, Dean would be a very different person. He would be John junior, basically.
Feb. 8th, 2019 08:47 am (UTC)
I really do hope we see a little more of the townsfolk going forward. I'd love to explore Sam and Dean from the idea of them actually being part of a community.

I completely agree with everything else you say. Sam really did need that conversation - and he's tried to have pale imitations of it before, but he finally got to have the real thing. I think Dean didn't need as much of a confrontation/resolution with his dad, because Dean didn't have a strained relatonship with his dad, he just had a strained relationship with his own THOUGHTS about his dad. Meanwhile, their actual relationship was fairly solid and they both felt they understood each other. Whereas Sam didn't have that.

But yes, basically, I agree with everything you say. :P
Feb. 8th, 2019 10:41 pm (UTC)
I love how you worded Dean relationship with his father. In viewing Dean and John during the first season I never got the relationship between the two that was portrayed in later seasons. I always felt from how Dean talked about John and his reactions to seeing him when they did that their relationship was more easy going (I can't think of the exact word I want so I'll go with easy going.) It was just TPTB making more complicated and adversarial in later years than what I felt was depicted in S1. So, your wording "Dean didn't have a strained relationship with his dad, he just had a strained relationship with his own Thoughts about his dad" are so right on. That really is the perfect way to describe them. Thanks for that. Their relationship was solid. This episode really did deal with each brother perfectly, though.
Elaine McCourt
Feb. 8th, 2019 08:08 am (UTC)
Great episode :)

I agree with most of what's been said so far. I found it weird that the alt-future Sam has become, let's face it, kind of a tool. Did Palo Alto really change him that much? Dean would definitely still be hunting though; after all, from alt-Dean's perspective, his Dad vanished off the face of the earth in 2003!

One thing; it was the post office they went to, not the greyhound station; I read an interview with Singer where he said something like, "the lady at the mail doesn't like Sam but has a crush on Dean."
Feb. 8th, 2019 08:40 am (UTC)
Oh man, thanks! I also think the post office logo looks like a bus company - it is because in Canada mostly all the bus companies have blue logos, whereas anything associated with the government, such as the post office, is red.

Yeah, I'm not sure what to make of weird alt-future Sam - the only thing I could figure was that it was some REALLY weird future where Jess still dies, but instead of hunting, Sam just decides to be a weird loner only interested in success? It's bizarre.

It was the fall of 2003 when Brady got possessed and introduced Sam to Jess though... so actually, depending on when John went missing, maybe Dean came and tried to get Sam sooner? But then, that wouldn't prevent the demon's plans. So, yeah, I put it down to the idea that the pearl had to invent a REALLY weird timeline in order to give Dean what he wanted.
Feb. 8th, 2019 09:50 pm (UTC)
I imagine that this Dean did come to get Sam, but he had no leads to follow whatsoever. And Sam didn't go with him. And then Dean got a rep as a mass murderer/serial killer, and Sam clung to his 'normalcy' to keep people from thinking he was like Dean.

He probably got at least a few visits from Henriksen, trying to get info on Dean, and Sam clung to his image of the nice innocent law student/industrious lawyer, just to keep his life together.
Feb. 8th, 2019 10:47 pm (UTC)
Good point - and as discussed in comments above, I hadn't considered a delayed apocalypse rather than a non-existent one.
Feb. 8th, 2019 09:44 pm (UTC)
Well, it would be killing Zachariah a fourth time then;-) They already killed him for the second time in the alternate universe, so this was the third time they killed the guy.
Feb. 8th, 2019 10:47 pm (UTC)
Oh man! I'd forgotten! That guy just keeps getting killed!
Feb. 8th, 2019 10:08 pm (UTC)
I loved everything you said here, but this: And that sentiment, to me, really does bring this show into middle-age - because when the show started, it was very much a young-person's show. It was asking the question "What will you do with the world you've inherited? How will you approach the great expectations/destiny thrust upon you?" and now the show is asking the question "Are you satisfied with the decisions that you have made? With the life you are living?" and Dean's answer here is a resounding YES.

Yeah. That is really the crux, isn't it? I love that Show, and the boys, have been allowed to *grow up*. That they didn't just mire them in a swamp of the same old same old, that they actually got to grow and change and learn and become new people. So, so good.
Feb. 8th, 2019 10:51 pm (UTC)

And yes, I think that's part of the reason for the show's longevity. We see the characters change with time and experience. 26 year-old Dean in the pilot is a very different person than 40 year-old Dean, and he should be.
Feb. 11th, 2019 01:38 pm (UTC)
I love it!!! And I hadn't thought about last seeing Zachariah in 100, and then bringing him back 200n episodes later only to be killed again!!! Ha. I like that.

Ohh thinky thoughts about John taking something from that dream are intriguing me. It definitely makes sense though.
Feb. 16th, 2019 07:28 pm (UTC)
I think it's pretty cool that either way, it works continuity wise - he may have forgotten and chalked it up to a dream, or he may have remembered, and that explains a lot about his actions.

I mean, either way, I think he's the type of guy who would sacrifice himself for his sons, and have confidence in their abilities to carry on without him - but if he remembered, even a little, that would certainly only put him more at peace with doing so.
Feb. 16th, 2019 09:14 am (UTC)
Great to read your reactions! I really enjoyed the episode, and partiuarly like your take on the show, and boys, as being middle aged, versus the young rapscallions they were when we started. I thought the episode was very much a reflection of "the road so far" - a chance to see who much the boys have grown and matured, and also how much being with them has changed Cas.

I didnt dwell much on the time wimey stuff, although i think it can be easily unpacked a number of ways have you and others have speculated. My version is that maybe Dean did go and get Sam after John disappeared in 2003, and Brady did kill Jess, but after that Sam cut off ties with Dean. With him not hunting Azazel dropped him from his "special children" roster. Maybe Dean killed him and Lucifer never got out of the cage, because the first of the seals was never broken. But maybe lots of other people died and bad stuff happened because Sam and Dean weren't hunting together.

And yeah the shoutout to me and the SuperWiki was amazing! I had not idea it was coming and squeed out loud! I may have played Sam saying that line many times since! Plus i got a lovely note from Meredith about it too.

All in all, many feels and i think a great 300th ep.
Feb. 16th, 2019 07:26 pm (UTC)
Agreed agreed!

Yeah, I also didn't dwell on the time-wimey stuff - I just thought it was hilarious and chalked any weirdness up to the fact that they'd messed with time and everything was therefore screwy. I like your take on how it could have happened though!

I like to be a little selfish and think that "the/her crew" part of "Jules and her crew" was including every single one of us in the shout-out. So, I also squeed, both vicariously for you, and also for how good Supernatural is to their fans!

A very well done 300th episode indeed! :)
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