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Quick Reaction: 13x21 Beat the Devil


Okay, so this episode poses an interesting problem... I did not like it. BUT, rules are still rules around here, so I gotta focus on what I DID like when I write this sucker up, and same goes for you when commenting!

Also, same old situation - drinking when I watched this and watched it only once. Quotes are DEFINITELY not meant to be accurate, and I'm probably going to get minor details wrong - but unless I ask, don't correct me.

No pretensious song lyrics today because I forgot to charge my iPod and had to do my 20 minute walks LISTENING TO NATURE and the CITY, ugh the horror.


We start with a really trippy scene where everyone is a happy family having pizza - and Dean is eating a bunch, and Jack and Mary are there - and I'm like "okay, this must be a dream, but WHOSE DREAM?!?!" Turns out it's Sam's! And I love the transition of Mary repeating "Sam" and Sam's beeping alarm clock going off. It reminds me of this time I was trying to have a conversation with someone and someone else walked into the room with a blaring boombox on their shoulder (1980s style) and I was like "OH MY GOD SHUT UP!" and then I woke up and it was my clock-radio.

Anyway, they've assembled the ingrediants for the spell, but Gabriel wants to extract his grace in private, so he uses Dean's room - and this is where the innuendo of grace as jizz begin - careful observers may not that the last time that comparison was made was back in S9 when we found out that Gadreel left some of his grace behind in Sam, and a rape joke or two were made, and I did not like it at all. So, I understand that this is just not my sense of humour - BUT, I also like it because it IS in keeping with the possession as sexual assault motif that the show has always consistently had - and I DO Like consistency and also the exploration of sexual assault as it pertains to male victims thereof. 


Gabriel shows up with only a LITTLE bit of grace - being all he could produce after being held captive and drained for so long and then going after Loki. He insists it'll be enough - but it isn't. The portal quickly fails soon after it is established. 

More than that, they were already reluctant about the 24 hour time-frame and the inability to get back in time given how huge the US is - and how the portal doesn't let them out anywhere predictably.

Castiel realizes that one possible solution to both problems is Lucifer - who has far more grace (currently) than Gabriel.

Sam is reluctant, and the Winchesters (Cas included) seclude themselves in the kitchen to talk it out. I LOVE this bit, because FINALLY the show is actually acknowledging the extent of Sam's trauma - the fact that Lucifer is a very real threat to him, MENTALLY, as well as physically. 

Castiel insists that because "we" let Lucifer out of the cage, he's "our" responsibility - I would like to point out that it was goddamn CAS who let him out of the cage. Though, granted Sam fell for his trick first and got him into a more escapable cage, it was Cas who sprang him completely and therefore I think Cas should leave Sam out of this "our responsibility" crap, because Sam wasn't a complete idiot, he was just duped. Castiel knew perfectly well what he was doing and still did it.

ANYWAY, I don't get my wishes in this universe, so Sam acquiesces.

Meanwhile, Gabriel and Rowena chat in the library, and eventually start eyeing each other up flirtatiously... there's a weird thing the show does where it suddenly shifts to us hearing their thoughts, and I guess it's done for amusement, but I don't like it because it's not a device we have EVER used before - and in my opinion the moment would be much funnier if it was had in silence and you just saw those thoughts conveyed through facial expressions and the camera movements. We didn't need the thoughts.

BUT, it is a funny scene - especially when the Winchesters return and Gabriel and Rowena obviously thought they had more time and are still making out behind a bookshelf, and are all disheveled when they come out to talk, even though they're trying to act like nothing is amiss. And I laughed out loud mostly at Castiel's reaction, which was just to look at the floor and regret his entire life. 

Sam has come up with a plan thouh, so now it's time to implement it...

...unfortunately, as stated earlier, the plan involves Lucifer... who you all know that I hate... and so this is where he comes into the episode and I DO MY BEST...

Firstly, I do love the fact that when we join Lucifer in the bar, the song that's playing is Cats In The Cradle - the most depressing song about horrible fathers - and it's even more awesome that it's playing when we find out that this bar is one of Gabriel's illusions. 

BEFORE we find out that it's Gab's illusion (listen, my bff is named Gabriel, and I call him either Gabe, Gab, or Gabi, so y'all will have to deal), Lucifer is complaining about how his life sucks and he's estranged from his son - how he can't even FEEL him in the world like he used to be able to. This is because Lucifer does not know that Jack is stuck in ApocaUniverse. 

The bartender is like "Jack will come around" and then Lucifer is like "wait... I never told you his NAME" and then it's quite clear that this bar is an illusion that Lucifer can't escape - more than that, he's been magically roofied. Rowena shows up and binds him, and then it's off to the bunker once they knock him out. 

Here, they lean him over the bowl that powers the spell and start siphoning off his grace in a steady drip - explaining that he's to keep the door open until he's drained, and then they're going to kill him. 

"KILL HIM NOW!" I yell, but no one hears me.

"AT LEAST KNOCK HIM OUT!" my friend yells, but again, the episode was written and filmed many weeks ago, and it is to no avail.

Then Sam, Dean, Cas, and Gabriel, go through the portal and tumble down a hill. Gabriel ends up with his face in Castiel's crotch for an awkward moment, and... I guess is humorous? But would have only been humorous to me if they had either leaned into it MORE or LESS, but instead was just sort of... awkward. BUT I AM NITPICKY ABOUT MY FACE-IN-GENITALIA HUMOUR.

ALSO, I forgot to mention this earlier, but DOORS CAN BE USED FROM BOTH SIDES GENTLEMEN!!! I'm super concerned about them only leaving Rowena and a doorway into the BUNKER that anyone can find in the AU.
They know that Mary was last seen in Dayton, so Dean gets Cas to give them their coordinates to him and Sam can get their bearings - they are in NE Kentucky (though by those trees, I'd guess they might actually be in a temperate rainforest in the pacific northwest...) which Sam and Dean agree is about a 2 day walk from Dayton. AND OFF THEY SET...

Meanwhile, Lucifer starts talking to Rowena, trying to sow discord so that she'll turn on her duty to guard him and keep the door open. It's not working, so then he just tries to be annoying by singing that "oh da do da day" song off-key and at the top of his lungs. 

"Maybe now everyone else will understand how annoying I find him..." I think.

Cas and Gabriel have a chat while they walk through the woods. Castiel asks Gabe his plans for the future - to which he has none. Castiel then tells him about Heaven's plight and how they could use an archangel perhaps. Gabe is SKEPTICAL, because he thinks that Heaven considers him a screw-up and would want nothing to do with him. Castiel disagrees, saying that Heaven has been run into the ground by proper-angels, so maybe a screw-up is what they need. AND YES! 

Sadly though, the pessimistic side of me thinks that this means that Gabriel is surely to die, as we all know that problems can never actually be solved in this universe.

Sam and Dean chat too. Dean feels lighter in the AU for some weird reason. Sam feels happy because he feels close to Mary and Jack, and wonders if Dean feels the same... I find this conversation interesting, because I wonder about what it means to be in a universe where you've never existed and you mission is clear? Or whether there IS a supernatural part of Sam (and Dean?) who CAN hone in on his family and find them in the darkness.

This conversation gets interrupted by screaming. Gabriel tries to keep them on course, but Sam and Dean can't just NOT save screaming people, so they run off to see what's up. Turns out that it's two people getting attacked by a vampire, who Sam quickly kills. The vampires are very old-school looking and Sam and Dean are weirded out. The humans they saved explain about how once the human's started going extinct, the vampires had nothing to feast on, and got hungrier and weirder and more animalistic as a result of starvation. 

They then explain how they were on their way to Dayton, through a tunnel under a mountain that can get them there faster - but the vampires have invested the tunnel and everyone they were traveling with was killed. They can go around the mountain, but it'll take longer. (Dude, I don't even know the terrain in Ohio and Kentucky, are there mountains? I know there are pretty hills in Tennessee, but...uh, that's probably not even close geographically.)

Gabriel is like "SAFE WAY IS SMART WAY!' but Dean and Sam are like "SHORT IS BEST! WE CAN KILL VAMPS! WE'RE AWESOME!" so off they go to lead the people through the tunnel and get to Dayton faster.

Meanwhile, Lucifer changes tactics again, this time bringing up how he killed Rowena and making her mad. This causes Rowena to attack him verbally back - pointing out how Jack is going to have a nice family reunion with his THREE FATHERS who AREN'T Luciter. And, I'm like super in love with found/adoptive non-traditional families, so I'm like HELL YES!

Sadly, as we remember from earlier this season, anger makes Lucifer stronger - and he's able to bust out of the magical bindings and attack Rowena.

VERY THANKFULLY, Rowena doesn't die - she's able to defend herself (YAY!) but in so doing, she shoves Lucifer into apocalypse world. Now, she's stuck in the bunker without a source of grace to keep the door open for the boys.

Then my friend and I got into a discussion about whether that was actually bad... I mean, if everyone got trapped over there. It's true that heaven was failing with only 11 angels left, but other than that... things are okay? Like, I mean, it'd be sad to lose Sam and Dean, but they'd successfully rid the world of Lucifer and also Rowena would get a huge cool bunker of magic books to herself? Like... not the end of the world.

Rowena packs up to leave... but she can't. She's partially responsible for the bind they're in, she did say she'd help them, and also... you know, she's SORT OF a good person now? So, she stays and cracks open a book, and gets to work trying to figure out how to keep the door open and/or open it without angel grace.

In the vampire tunnel, there are jump scares.

"Oh, jump scares, another thing you hate," my friend says.
"Yup, I'm loving this episode" I deadpan.
"They just need spiders..."
"....and child sex slavery,"
"HAHAHA, yeah, then it'd be like they wrote it JUST to annoy me."
"An Indian Residential School-"
"OH MAN - just in the middle of the tunnel - wait, guys, let's shave these kids' heads, molest them, and then give them TB."
(/end sarcastic commentary)

There are rocks blocking the way, which they send the angels to move.

"Guys?" the human woman calls.

"Literally, because she is the only person without a penis in this scene," my friend points out, as I laugh. This is how my friend keeps me distracted from jump scares, which I really do hate.

BUT, as much as we're undercutting the scene with humour in my friend's living room - it quickly turns tragic, when the vampires overwhelm Sam, taking out his jugular, and dragging him off.

Cas runs after him - but comes back as Dean runs to follow - Sam is gone. There's no time. He's dead.

Dean's face is devastating, so are Cas' tears that soon follow.

As they leave the tunnel, the human woman tries to talk to Dean, about his "friend" to say she is sorry, but he cuts her off with a look and walks ahead. I mean, she lost her friend too... so, maybe a LITTLE commiseration could have been possible? But, you know, I understand that Dean tends to be the type who is like "NO ONE IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD HAS FELT PAIN AND SORRY AS I FEEL PAIN AND SORROW" and, you know, FAIR.

Sam is a beautiful corpse... and I mean that. He's gorgeous.

Dean, Cas and Gab, soon come to some warding that Castiel can't pass through, but Gabriel is able to burn away. Humans come out to point guns at them, but luckily Mary comes forward and sees them. 

Heartwrenchingly, of course, he first question to Dean after greeting him with a hug is "where's Sam?" 

Sam is STILL a really beautiful corpse. And then suddenly he is alive!  And unhurt! Whatta?!

Turns out it's Lucifer! He explains how he came through the portal, came upon a contingent of Michael's angels, replenshed his grace by consuming them, and then tracked Sam down and brought him back to life.

At this point in the scene, I must admit that I DO start talking over it a little and not listening close, because A)I hate Lucifer, B)Sam is REALLY PRETTY and  I wanted to focus on that, and C)Jared is doing a REALLY GOOD acting job and I just wanted to look at his face and not actually listen to Lucifer's dialogue.

BUT, the gist of it is that Sam is still surrounded by vampires. Dependent on Lucifer to survive, and this whole scene is basically Abuse 101 - isolate your victim, make them dependent on you, make them believe that the world without you is worse than the world WITH you... in exchange for Sam doing what Lucifer wants, Sam gets to live - and what Lucifer wants is for him to put in a good word with Jack, tell him how Lucifer saved him from the darkness, etc.  Sam really doesn't have a choice, unless he chooses death.

Back at the camp, I do love how we see Jack in mourning - Jack is NEW and this is, besides his mother at birth, the first time that he has LOST someone so completely - and he is distressed and ANGRY, demanding that Gabriel go and bring him back, but Gabriel doesn't have the juice to do it. 

Dean insists that they have to go back and at least get his body.... and then the klaxon warnings go off of an intruder, and in walks Sam... sadly, with Lucifer right behind him. Lucifer greets Jack as "son"

and then the episode ends.

So, I like it a LITTLE better now after writing it up - there was some really good stuff in there, and as I said numerous times, the fact that they're acknowledging Sam's trauma, and also the fact that Jared is just doing an AMAZING job, makes those scenes both compelling and bearable for me, even though they have a character I hate in them.

I am NOT optimistic about next week, as I know the penultimate episode is most often written by RossLeming, and if my favourite writer on staff wrote this episode which I had a hard time enjoying, then I'm not too keep on seeing what the writers I don't like write....BUT, as I won't be at my friend's place next week, she gave me an ENTIRE BOTTLE OF WINE, to drink while I watched it on my own. (I'll be on the island for the next 2 weeks). So, who knows, next week could be VERY entertaining. :P

As usual, let me know what you thought in comments. Like me, you must try to focus on the positive, or at least balance out your negativity with positivity, if you can!


This entry was originally posted at https://hells-half-acre.dreamwidth.org/557223.html.


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May. 4th, 2018 08:11 am (UTC)
I thought that too about the rift being dangerous if it is left open. Also about them destroying the sigils. I mean, Lucifer couldn't have come in to the camp if they had the sigils up now could he. Now any angel can. I really enjoyed the ep!
May. 4th, 2018 05:45 pm (UTC)
Very true! I didn't even think about the burning of the sigils.

Glad you enjoyed the episode!
May. 4th, 2018 10:44 am (UTC)
The ep was so tense and the tunnel freaked me out too!!
May. 4th, 2018 05:46 pm (UTC)
Yes! They did an awesome job with that tunnel.
May. 4th, 2018 12:16 pm (UTC)
Knew that happy scene couldn't be real (and could envision the writer snickering gleefully knowing how it would freak the fans out to start with it.)

I agree that the Gabe/Rowena seduction scene was weird with the 'hearing the thoughts' bit especially since show has never done that before. Like you, I wish the director would have trusted the actors to play it with their eyes--they are good enough to have done it.

I guess that Gabe being an archangel allowed him to find Lucifer without any problem, considering how much time the boys and Cas have spent trying to find him...

Rowena putting potion in his booze was inspired, and I loved Lucifer's reaction to seeing the people he killed alive.

At least we got to watch Jared showing us Sam's feelings about Lucifer...Using Lucifer's grace as a continuous power source was a good idea--smart!Sam even if he's also traumatized!Sam...

The rest of the plot felt contrived, lots of not-terribly-smart moves needed in order to get us to Lucifer resurrecting Sam. How about using the Enochian handcuffs on Lucifer as a backup to Rowena's magic handcuffs? And how about some duct tape on his mouth???

The logistics of the tunnel puzzled me. How did Dean know which of the corridors was the one they needed when it looked like there were multiple options? And once they had to leave in a hurry, how did the tunnel get unblocked? It didn't seem like there was time for the angels to finish moving all the rocks...unless they kept moving them while Sam and Dean were fighting for their lives? I don't remember, did the angels do any fighting in that battle? Need to rewatch...If the angels didn't help then it's their fault Sam was killed!

I think the blood spurt from Sam's neck was the splurtiest blood spurt that I have ever seen on the show...

The profile shot of Sam lying dead with his glassy eyes open was terrifyingly beautiful...

Dean having to go on without Sam, after Sam promised they'd die together, was heartbreaking. And when Mary asked where Sam was...

And for all the contortions to get there, Sam being presented with a no-win option from Lucifer was really consistent with all the no-win situations the boys have been stuck in since season one...so that part felt like genuine Supernatural, if you know what I mean?

Amberdreams wrote a really good analysis of Sam's scene with Lucifer, especially contrasted to how Dean would have reacted:

My take-away? I was emotionally involved by the boys' acting enough to mostly handwave the plot dysfunctions, and I accepted the Lucifer/Sam scenario as a legitimate plot twist.

I have no idea where the season is going to end up...

May. 4th, 2018 05:51 pm (UTC)
Agreed agreed agreed.

I don't even have anything to add really. I can't remember if Gabriel and Castiel fought the vampires in the tunnel or if they were just moving rocks.

I had assumed that Dean used Castiel-GPS to know which path through the tunnels to follow. In anycase, I can handwave it that way.

But yeah, some holes, but brilliant acting. I definitely agree that the no-win scenario presented to Sam felt very true to his first encounter with Lucifer back in S5, where he still said NO, but knew he was backed into a corner either way. Here, at least, Lucifer isn't trying to possess him, just get him to lie for him.

But yeah, the acting is what made this episode for sure.
May. 4th, 2018 02:37 pm (UTC)
I agree with so much of what you said. You didn't mention Dean's reunion with Mary and Jensen's perfection there (but we expect that level of skill from him!).

This episode really belonged to Jared though. His excellent job made me try to ignore some of the stuff I really didn't like.

There were also some GREAT shots in this one; from Lucifer rolling the empty bottle down the bar, to, yes, that gorgeous shot of Sam lying there dead and the amazing lighting in the tunnel scenes.

I am glad the show is finally letting some of Sam's years of abuse at the hands of Lucifer see the light of day; but I still want more of that! Then...they traumatize poor Sam again by putting him at Lucifer's mercy. I hope for your sake and Sam's sake and all of our sakes that Sam will get to kill Lucifer at the end of this season. I wonder if that's what Jared was teasing when he said there was something coming up in the script that he has always wanted to say.

I do fear that Dean will not be Dean for awhile though once the season is over (and Jensen teased it with that photo he posted just to cement what I already think).
May. 4th, 2018 05:56 pm (UTC)
Agreed agreed, and I still can't believe that I forgot to mention how awesome Jensen was - maybe I thought it was implied by the "heartwrenching" comment I made.

I don't think Sam is going to get to kill Lucifer this season, sadly - but I AM interested to know what the line was that he always wanted to say. Was that in the finale? I have a hard time believing that it'd be in a BuckLeming episode.

And yes, I have the same fear about Dean - Jensen has teased stuff enough that it seems quite likely that Jensen is going to be playing someone else for a little bit. He's amazing, so I look forward to it from that angle, but otherwise, I want my Dean! :P
May. 5th, 2018 01:38 am (UTC)
I agree with you 110% on all of this.

(I couldn't really watch the tunnel scenes though. I hate the "walking around in the dark, waiting for something to jump out at you" kind of scenes. I listened, but watched in glances.)

I'm still hoping Lucifer dies. I'm now wondering though, if Heaven can only be repaired by two archangels working in tandem. Thus, they could make Heaven's comeback dependent on Lucifer and Gabriel working together (and somehow having to stay in Heaven) It would get rid of two powerful entities in one move, and still keep them available to help out in case of emergencies in the future...but with limitations.
May. 5th, 2018 07:24 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I think that's why we just started talking over the tunnel scenes, which probably detracted a lot from my ability to get emotionally attached to the storyline - but DID save me from the sense of "walking around in the dark, waiting for something to jump out at you".

It would be wonderful if Lucifer dies, but I'm not holding out hope for it at this point. It'd be interesting if it required two archangels to run heaven... though, if that were the case, Heaven would have been falling apart since Michael was locked in the cage. We'll see what happens - the murder twins are writing next week, so I'm still worried that Gabriel might die, even though since s9 the death has always been in this episode (and it still was, albeit temporarily).

We'll see, we'll see.
May. 5th, 2018 02:57 pm (UTC)
Native Kentuckian and current Ohioan here. Yes, there are loads of mountains in Eastern Kentucky.

Here's why that geographically was impossible and cementef for me it truly was an AU. My husband's family is from Morehead. Currently we live north of Dayton. Other than the fact there is no real life tunnel, it is at least a three to four hour drive by interstate.

Please forgive the short answer. My daddy had a stroke and we are currently wending our way through those mountains to see him.

May. 5th, 2018 07:20 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the geographical information!

Man, I don't know how 3-4 hours on the interstate work out to walking times, but it certainly sounds like more than 2 days. I know a 2 hour drive on smaller highways can lead to an 8 hours by bicycle... so, yeah...

I'm sorry to hear about your dad. All my love to you and your family and best wishes for his recovery!
May. 8th, 2018 04:21 am (UTC)
I think I had very similar reactions to you in this episode.

Things I Did Not Like:
- We're only leaving Rowena with Lucifer? Do we really need two angels to come into the alt-universe? Let one of them stay behind and give her some back-up!
- If Camptown Races is so annoying (which, sure, it definitely is), how about GAGGING Lucifer? How about at least putting a ring of holy fire around him? (Have we learned that holy oil has no effect on Lucifer? I can't remember, but I can't believe that the only defense we had against him was magical handcuffs...??!!) I second Borgmama's observation about contrivances.
- I wanted this to be the episode where Dean punches Cas in the face.
Castiel: "He's gone. There's no time. We have to leave - "
No one can convince me that Dean Winchester would leave his brother without seeing an actual corpse. Not for Jack, not for Mom, not for Dad or Cas or anyone else. (In Red Meat, even AFTER he saw Sam's corpse, there was a still a moment where you wonder if he's going to just stay in that cabin and die with Sam's body!)
- I'm also not so sure that Dean would be immediately on board with Castiel's insistence on using Lucifer. (For someone whose plans have very rarely worked well in the past, Castiel was very bossy about going forward with his plans, haha.) I would have imagined that Cas would have suggested it, Dean would have vetoed it hard for Sam's sake (and, you know, the fact that it's LUCIFER), Sam would have been CLEARLY DISTURBED but also incredibly brave and would have told Dean he could handle it, and Dean would have done his "if this goes south I'ma torch some bodies" glower but eventually conceded.

Things I Enjoyed:
- I caught the Cat's in the Cradle music cue and laughed out loud, "Hahaha that's perfect!"
- WE ARE PRIORITIZING SAM'S TRAUMA, FINALLY. And doing it mostly without words, which is almost better?? But the director seemed to UNDERSTAND what that scene was about. (And Jared clearly, obviously always has, but he finally got the space to explore that.) I will take Mark Pellegrino's quiet, calm, soothing menace over the zany antics any day, and we finally got to see some of that as well, which also pleased me.
- On an aesthetic level, I LOVED the eerie neon radiance of the glowsticks on Sam and Lucifer's faces, beaming up from below. Excellent otherworldly detail that added a lot to that already tense, claustrophobic scene.
- Sweet Jack, and the fact that the Show REMEMBERS his relationship with Sam (not a lot to ask, but it's important!), and his consternation in the face of loss. (I have no idea if our podcast will make it to season 13, but if we do, you're going to have to remind me that initially I was all for killing Jack in the womb, because I'm a horrible person. He's so kind and gentle now that it's hard to remember that I WAS POSITIVE HE WAS GOING TO BE A TRILOBITE like from the Alien movies.)
- Jensen's acting is always stellar, but the look on his face when he hugged Mom. AUGH. The loss, and the relief, and the way the loss erodes any comfort that the relief might have given - IT'S ALL THERE. HOW DOES HE DO THAT.
May. 8th, 2018 06:28 am (UTC)
*nods sagely* yes, yes, agreed, agreed...

You and I are definitely on the same page.

I'm strangely OK with Dean leaving Sam's body behind. THOUGH, I do understand everyone's problem with it, and I'm not saying you all are wrong. I do think that the show/writers could have played up a need of the human civilian amidst them (if there's such things as civilians in this universe), because like in Red Meat, we HAVE seen Dean prioritize getting civilians to safety over dying immediately alongside Sam. But, they didn't do that, so there is an argument to be made that it's out of character.

I think I don't have a problem with it because I see it as an evolution of his relationship with Castiel... but, even then, that's just about taking Castiel's word that Sam is dead (which he is), it doesn't explain why Dean didn't die with him. THOUGH, we've seen that before too - the very first time Sam died, Bobby was with Dean, and Dean didn't run after Jack, he brought Sam's body to that cabin with Bobby and basically gave up on life in a really passive way, rather than an active "I'm going to get myself killed now" sort of way. So, yeah, like I said, I don't see it as too far outside the realm of Dean's personality.

But again, I mitigate that by reminding you that I DO prefer "Watsonian" interpretations of canon.

That seen between Jared and Lucifer really was beautifully shot and beautifully acted, and I do feel bad for talking over a good portion of it - but I just...hate... lucifer...so... much. Usually I'm very studious in my attempts not to let it hinder my enjoyment of the show, but it did this past week for some reason - I think just the initial annoyance about how their capture and containment of him was so obviously doomed to fail from the start.

We'll see how I do at this coming week, as it's both Lucifer heavy and written by my least favourite writers :P

But, as always, I'll have wine!!

I haven't looked back on my quick reactions for S12, but I'm sure I was also for killing Jack in the womb... right up until Castiel had the whole "vision of the future" thing and went against Sam and Dean, then I wanted Jack to be born and be good, because I was so sick of Cas being wrong about things. I don't think it's necessarily about being horrible people, I think it's good risk management - if Jack is born, there's a % chance that he's evil - if he's never born, 0% chance of evil! I like those odds better! We're just thankful now because he's actually a sweet boy, if not a little cocky and naive. If he turned out evil, we'd be sitting here thinking "yup, shoulda nipped that right in the bud." Hindsight is everything.
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