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Tonight I went out to see a documentary called The Road Forward, which is about the history of the Indigenous Rights movement in British Columbia. It was really interesting, but already had me quite emotional - because, you know - First Nations have been and are treated horribly in my country.

Anyway, I downloaded the episode when I got home.... which is why this write up is so late.

So, you don't get drunk!me but you do get emotionally wrung-out and tired!me... hopefully I can still be entertaining.

Usual rules apply - No quotes are actual quotes and I'm not going to remember everything exactly (nor retell it exactly). It'll be the general idea - don't correct me unless I ask or it's super duper important to the plot or the understanding of a character.


We begin with a young black woman at a B&B in Wyoming, where she encounters a possibly racist lady? I find out later that the young black woman isn't as young as I think! Man, she looks good for being the mother of two adult children. Anyway, she's also a witch! And she uses a spell to find a basement, and in that basement she gets stabbed.

I really like how they had her gagging on the smell. It's not until later that Sam and Dean say it smells like death in there - but you can alreayd tell that it smells like death. A lot of the time they don't do that on SPN, and they'll go down into a basement and then be SURPRISED to find corpses. Like, dude? Has writers/production never been around a dead body before?! Those things reek like you wouldn't believe. I was visiting a friends farm once and his father had tossed a cow skull into the woods down the road (as you do?) and you could smell that thing in like a 30 foot radius.

Cut to Sam and Dean, who are discussing current events in the Bunker. Dean seems convinced that Cas has been mojo-ed and is no longer himself. Sam doesn't really agree or disagree, though, which gives me a little hope that maybe Dean is wrong... I don't know, I'm kind of tired of Cas-is-tricked-into-doing-something-bad storylines. I'd prefer if we had a Cas-actually-knows-what-the-heck-he's-doing storyline for once.

Sam changes the subject by bringing Dean's attention to the destroyed Colt. Dean asks SAM if HE can fix it... which I thought was interesting. Sam just says that he hopes so. I mean, the Winchesters know a LOT about guns and magic at this point - I'm wondering if they could MAKE a colt. I mean, maybe they have to wait for Haley's Comet?

A phone vibrates in the Bunker, and it's neither Sam's nor Dean's - turned out that Mary has multiple phones. It's Alicia calling! She's calling because her mum went on a hunting trip and hasn't been home in a few days, and she's worried - but Max doesn't believe that there's reason to be concerned. This mean's of course, that Tasha is her mother, and we know she's dead - so this is super sad.

Sam tells Alicia that they'll come out to help - and Dean is like "but what about my wayward boyfriend?" And Sam is all like "Let's do this while we wait for him to turn up again!" As is the Winchester's WONT so that we can have MOTW episodes. Actually, what Sam actually says is that Jody has put out an APB for Cas across three states. So... I guess if he hits those three out of 48? Like... those aren't great odds? 

But THEN Sam actually uses the line "Their mom is on a hunting trip and hasn't been home in a week." Oh SPN, never stop referencing yourself.

Before they leave, Dean calls Mary's phone and leaves a message, asking her to call him. He then tells her that some stuff went down, and he's spun out, and he just needs to talk to her... and AWWW, Dean just needs his mom. Which is why Amara returned her from the dead, fyi  - but of course, a mother is more than her duty to her children.

Then we flash to Mary, to see her tied in a chair? Nope, she's in the room... there's a shifter tied in the chair and Ketch and Mary are having a torture-interrogation session. It's an interesting scene, because Mary tells Ketch that the torture isn't going to work, and Ketch continues anyway... but ALSO, Mary refers to the shifter as a "him" and Ketch emphasizes the "it" that he uses when he responds. And it's a great addition to the dehumanizing of monsters that the BMoL do, and the fact that the Winchesters aren't as prone to do that. Even though I think Mary is more APT to do it than the boys, simply because she doesn't have as much hunting experience as they do... but then, she DID want out of hunting from an early age, so it could be that she saw monsters as complex people in her youth and was actually able to hang onto that rather than having it drilled out of her by her more overbearing old-school father.


Sam and Dean meet up with Alicia and Max. They're told that Tasha was hunting a "borrower witch" which is apparently the official SPN term for a witch that gets it's power from a demon, rather than a natural born witch like Tasha and Max. Alicia isn't a witch at all, just a hunter. 

Max still doesn't think there's anything funky going on, and he's just getting bartenders' phone numbers and making the best out of being dragged to Wyoming. Then he and Dean go to check out the Impala, because apparently Max and Dean have a lot in common when it comes to car and bartender loving.

Alicia and Sam chat for a bit. And Alicia tells Sam about how Max was closest to their mother. Sam tells Alicia how Dean was always closest with their dad. Alicia then says "what about your mom?". So, this basically tells us that although Sam and Dean reputations precede them, the fact that Mary was dead until recently is a detail that gets left out of the stories.

Sam's answer is that Mary gets absorbed in a case and just "vanishes" ... and Alicia says that Mary doesn't seem like a hugger. 

Which is a great exploration of the Idea Of Mom vs Reality of Mom.

Because I think Sam and Dean always, pretty desperately, wanted a hugger-Mom... and imagined that if Mary hadn't died, that's who they would have. But, I'm thinking that between the two parents, John might have actually been the hugger. (That could be me projecting - growing up, my dad was the hugger and my mum is NOT a hugger at all.) 

They get to the B&B, where Tasha's car is. And a creepy guy comes out of the root cellar. So, suspicious already.

But then when they go into the B&B, Tasha is there! And seemingly fine! So, I start wondering if she's a shifter, or if someone is wearing her skin? 

She invites them up to her room for wine, and breaks a finger opening the bottle, then just turns her back and puts her finger back into place... yeah, pretty creepy.

Sam steps out for a moment, I forget why....oh! To go pick up the food. He leaves Dean to drink wine without him, so Dean dutifully pours Sam's glass into his. 

Back with Ketch and Mary, Ketch is being a lech, and Mary tells him that the sex was a one-time thing. She then brings up the fact that he enjoyed the torture session too much (because it's REALLY gross to proposition someone right after you've tortured some dude)... then Ketch gives her a speech about how the ends justify the means, etc. 

Meanwhile, Dean and Tasha are talking. He compliments her on her happy kids. They talk about how Dean's dad raised them in the life. And how the situation with his mother is "complicated" Tasha commiserates and tells him that when you're young, your parents seem smart and strong and perfect, but when you get older, you find out that parents are just people. It's a great lesson, and I wish we had spent more of the season on it rather than just this one episode... especially because later Mary leaves a message that is the kind of message one leaves right before one dies unexpectedly. (I'm a little worried).

Speaking of Mary, she overhears Ketch talking about shipping "him" back to Britian. Then Dean calls her phone and it vibrates loudly.

Sidenote: How can the Winchesters stand to have their phones on vibrate all the time? What is even THE POINT of vibrate unless you are deaf? Seriously, either have your phone have a ring tone of put it on silent. If it's on silent, it DOESN'T GIVE AWAY YOUR POSITION, especially since you're going to ignore the call anyway. I ABSOLUTELY HATE the noise that phones make when the vibrate. I hate the FEEL of them vibrating... I hate everything about vibrating phones, unless I'm in a very specific scenario where I need to "hear" my phone, but I can't actually hear anything. 

Anyway... Mary uses Mick's computer to check her emails, and she has a new one from Mick, saying that he's going to be in London for a while. It's obviously fake, but this is the way Ketch works, I guess.

Back to Sam and Dean - Sam comes back with food, but then calls Dean away, because he found a flyer about a missing man, who was the same man they saw leaving the cellar... he's been missing for weeks/months/whatever. Dean, meanwhile, has forgotten his phone in Tasha's room.

The witch, who is the lady from the beginning (no shock there), is upstairs making a twig person. So, obviously, this is how she keeps dead people "alive."

Mary calls Dean, but he doesn't have his phone, so she leaves a message - she tells him that she's sorry, and that she needs to finish this, but then she's totally going to be there for him and Sam, and she loves them. Which to me just indicates that she's going to die soon... so, that makes me sad, because we really didn't get to explore her character much at all this season. So, hopefully I'm wrong, but I'm probably not. :(

Sam and Dean, meanwhile, go to the cellar and they find Tasha's body - and  the bodies of the two men as well. (Including the B&B manager, which I'm sad about because he was a cutie and I liked him.) 

Then Max comes into the cellar (and here is where the smell thing suddenly vanishes, oops) ... and then he sees his dead mother, and you can imagine how that goes over... or, you don't need to imagine because you saw the episode.

Mary goes to the armory and finds the box that Ketch mentioned on the overheard phone conversation, and it's Mick. Mary then tries to avoid Mick and slips into a room that she doesn't usually have access to. It's here that she finds all the surveillence equipment for the boys and apparently the write-ups of their hunter friends (Garth, Claire, and Eileen... all of which are still alive, thankfully.) She calls Dean and tells them they have a problem. Then Ketch catches her in the room. They get into a brawl that's pretty epic and great. Ketch calls the boys sloppy and tells Mary he's been cleaning up after them for months - Mary argues that they're decent, not sloppy. Ketch tells Mary to play nice, Mary refuses. Then she has a great line when she puts on the enochian brass knuckles and Ketch is like "those only work on angels" and Mary punches him in the nuts and informs him that they're still brass knuckles.

It's great - but her triumphant exit is cut short by Ketch tasering her in the back.

Back in Wyoming, Max storms into Tasha's room and uses the "reveal" spell on not!Tasha to get the location of the witch. Dean and Max take off for the Witch, while Sam tries to deal with an extremely confused and upset Alicia, who doesn't understand why her brother just attacked their mom and left her twitching on the floor.

Dean gets witch-forced into a chair as soon as he and Max hit the witches room. The witch informs Max that she's looking for someone to save her soul. As soon as she dies, she goes to hell - but if she passes on the ring, that person will get her magic and therefore she won't go to hell? They will? Or something like that. She offers the deal to Max, after showing him that his mother is a doll containing Tasha's memories and personality, and is sustained by the witches magic - so Max can have his mother forever if he agrees to the deal. 

Back in the room though, Sam is being attacked by the B&B manager and Alicia isn't helping that much... and then she DOES help, but it gives the Tasha-Doll a chance to stand up and then stab Alicia through the sternum. So, that doesn't go well.

Max seems to be considering the deal, but Dean shoots the witch to save him from making such a bad decision.

Alicia dies. So, yeah, Max's day is just horrible, because he goes back to the room to find his sister dead.

Max blames himself, for not believing Alicia when she was worried about their mother. 

Sam and Dean offer to help him burn the bodies - but he tells them to leave.

Sam tries to cheer Dean up in the car, saying that at least Dean saved Max... but Dean doesn't feel that Max is super saved. And sure enough, as Dean talks, we see Max decide to make Alicia into a doll using the witches magic...Dean talks about how he had seen them as a loving family that he and Sam SHOULD have had - and now they're just gone. Dean also talks about the terrible thing that he and Sam have done for each other....all while we see Max make these dubious decisions....so, I don't know if Max just doomed his soul to hell in order to keep Alicia "alive" or what... hopefully not, because the witch is already dead, but who knows. Maybe that kind of magic can only be demon-given, and Max HAS just damned himself. It's super sad.

Then Sam falls asleep, and Dean listens to his messages. He gets the second one and knows that something bad has happened. So he calls for Sam to wake up. And this is a brilliant jarring cut from Dean calling for Sam and Mary getting water thrown in her face, as a mirror from the first scene we had of her, only this time it IS her in the chair... and it's ketch looking at her, but there's still another person in the room, and that's when we discover that it's Toni back.... seemingly to interrogate Mary.

So, yeah, SUPER DEPRESSING EPISODE. I'm kind of heartbroken that that's where we left the Hunting Twins. I know that SPN is, at it's core, always a tragedy... but, I guess I'm a little burnt out on tragedy tonight... or it was just too much? I'm kind of really bummed (I need a synonym for the American term "bummed" because I KNOW that means something else in the UK, and I assure you I am not THAT kind of bummed). I wanted at least Max and Alicia to be okay, like Sam and Dean always are - but Alicia isn't even REAL anymore and Max might be going to hell. And what's more, I feel like they're really foreshadowing Mary's death and I don't want her to die, because I feel like she was super underutilized and not at all fully explored this season like she should have been. 

Anyway, it's all very disheartening. :(

Man, I wasn't amusing at ALL this episode. I'm sorry. Uh... just think about Ketch getting punched in the gnads with brass knuckles! That'll cheer you up! GNAD PUNCH!

So, next week looks like even more shit hitteth the fan.

As per usual, let me know what you thought in comments, either on LJ or DW. :)

This entry was originally posted at http://hells-half-acre.dreamwidth.org/538264.html.


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May. 5th, 2017 10:39 am (UTC)
Damn right this was depressing as all hell! It also put me on edge thinking somebody else is about to die, so that at the end in the car when Dean listens to Mary's voice mails and then tries to wake Sam up but the scene cuts away? I had a horrible, horrible thought that something bad had happened to Sam! (I'm sure it didn't, but that's how on edge I was after all the family-member torturing and dying we got!)

Edited at 2017-05-05 05:39 pm (UTC)
May. 5th, 2017 06:02 pm (UTC)
Oh man, I was THE SAME WAY.

It doesn't help that the movie Untamed Heart scarred me for life when I was an impressionable youth... uh, spoilers? (Are you ever going to watch a relatively unknown 90s movie?)

But yeah...I totally thought for a moment that Sam was dead, just because he didn't wake up on the first call of his name.
May. 5th, 2017 06:53 pm (UTC)
Lol! Glad I wasn't the only one! (I wonder if that was intentional? Probably...)
May. 5th, 2017 10:47 am (UTC)
I want to be positive, I want to believe that they're setting the twins up for a spin off, give them a quest to start of from, with Max finding a way to restore his sister to her true self, and her becoming so as she tries to save him.

It's how I'd tell the story. I just don't dare hope for it anymore.

I did like the episode, I really liked the actors who played Max, Alicia and Sasha, and it would be a shame not to see them again.
May. 5th, 2017 06:05 pm (UTC)
I think that's what I'll believe... that Max somehow finds a way to resurrect his sister completely, and that because Dean killed the witch, Max DOESN'T end up in a demon deal.

Until they come back and dispel that illusion, that'll be my headcanon. Because ugh, it was way too tragic.

Which leaves me torn, of course, because I also really liked the actors and the characters, and want them to come back - but if they come back, I fear it'll just be for more heartbreak and I don't want that at all. :(

May. 6th, 2017 10:27 am (UTC)
Which is why I want them to come back in their own series. If they're the leads, the show is less likely to kill them off and discard them for another character's manpain, know what I mean?

It would just be awesome if the SPN producers decided to use the spin off to fix the one major flaw spn has, which is a lack of regular characters who are female, poc and/or LGBT.

They could have the Winchesters guest starring on the spin off, to deal with the aftermath of them finding out about what Max did. Only since they're not the leads, it would be about Max dealing with them, rather than them dealing with Max, hoping that difference makes sense.

Edited at 2017-05-06 10:31 am (UTC)
May. 6th, 2017 07:13 pm (UTC)
That's a very very good point. You've won me over! Now this is what I want. I can watch it until a point where they are both happy and healthy, and then I can stop watching before they both die at the end in some horrible tragedy.
May. 5th, 2017 12:21 pm (UTC)
I don't know, I'm kind of tired of Cas-is-tricked-into-doing-something-bad storylines. I'd prefer if we had a Cas-actually-knows-what-the-heck-he's-doing storyline for once.
YES!!!!!!! So much this!

I did LOL several times while reading your review, if you can believe it. It was a very heartbreaking ep though. You're right it looks bad for Mary :'(

Edited at 2017-05-05 12:22 pm (UTC)
May. 5th, 2017 06:05 pm (UTC)
Well that's good! I felt gloomy.
May. 5th, 2017 01:06 pm (UTC)
This episode left me with a stomachache...

Mary's gonna be toast, isn't she. Now that Dean reached out to her and she is reaching out to reconcile with the boys, well, what is this show's pattern of handling family reunifications? That whole series of missed phone calls just hurt so bad...

She was awesome in the fight with Ketch! And I actually screamed at my TV when he tasered her--that was so wrong!!!

They sure set Max and Alicia up to be parallels to Dean and Sam...I couldn't believe the boys left without taking the ring!!! Basic hunter training 101--take the magical object with you!!! I KNEW Max was going to use it...

It leads to some interesting speculation that will probably never be explored, but, the rest of the hunter world won't know about Alicia being dead...so what happens when the boys run into someone who mentions seeing her and Max? They will have to check it out, won't they?

Or if the show runs 10 more years then they would be around when the demon comes for Max--would they try to break his deal?

I don't understand the logic of the BMoL. I get they don't like American hunters, but the hunters ARE killing monsters so why do they have to be eliminated? Yes, the BMoL are more efficient at it but why does that mean there can't be 2 levels of monster decimators?

And what does Lady Toni expect to get from interrogating Mary???

I expect these last 3 episodes are going to make my stomach hurt even more...
May. 5th, 2017 01:25 pm (UTC)
Because from what we've seen of them, it's not about killing monsters, it's about control.
If the American hunters won't obey them, then they're in the way, because they give people the idea that they can say no to them.
May. 5th, 2017 06:12 pm (UTC)
A very good point. I think it's sort of a dictator/colonialist approach - where they're killing those who are most likely to dissent and challenge the way the BMoL govern.
May. 5th, 2017 06:11 pm (UTC)
Yup. Hurts.

Yeah, I was surprised that Dean left the ring too. Also, that they listened to Max and left instead of making sure that he burned the bodies and got out of their alive... they should both know how desperate THEY get when something happens to their families.

And I'd imagine if they do hear that Alicia is still around, that'll probably be the premise of any returning-characters episode. Though, I'm sort of torn as to whether I ever want to see that happen. I like the characters, but if I never see them again, I can invent my own story where Max somehow finds a way to bring Alicia back to life fully... and save his soul (if it's even in peril) and everyone lives happily ever after.

I wasn't sure if the deal was 10 years or just "when you die"...

I think the BMoL are colonialists - as liliaeth mentions below - it's about having complete control and eradicating anyone who may disagree with their governance. They're basically killing the most likely dissenters.

Well, Mary HAS been hunting for at least 5 months, so maybe Toni is just making sure they get all the names of all the hunters.

And yeah, hurt stomachs for everyone. :P
May. 6th, 2017 01:56 pm (UTC)
I'm hoping that the deal broke with the witch's death...didn't she say that the ring and the dolls were what were keeping her alive? It didn't sound like she had a ten-year deal, but instead something that kept her going until she found someone to volunteer to take the magic curse. So maybe Max is clear on that front. Still, Alicia's body is still gone, although the doll has all her memories and her heart, and presumably, all her feelings. If she doesn't know she's a doll, and Max is letting her function as herself and not trying to control her, isn't she still "alive" and herself? Just differently vulnerable?

(And if it's a demon deal, couldn't they just talk to Crowley about the terms anyway?)

You made me laugh with your phone comment. I always have mine on vibrate in my pocket at work...that way, I can know to check it, but it doesn't make enough noise for other people around me to notice. What I couldn't figure out though, was HOW Dean could leave his phone behind! Especially when he's on a case! It's not like they always come back to the same spot, and they were pretty sure something was going down. To leave something of theirs behind which could be potentially used against them seems strange. If he'd left it in the Impala, I could have bought that, but not in a strange hotel.

I hope that Mary doesn't die...I think that maybe they're foreshadowing a bit TOO much, so maybe it's going to be something else. I do worry that it might be something like Mary volunteers to be a hostage to the BMoL to keep her boys (and all the American hunters) safe? Or they'll do something that makes her lose her memory? Something that leaves her physically intact, but with no emotional connection to the boys. Kind of the opposite of what hapened with Alicia.

Ack. I just don't know where they're going with this. There are too many threads in the air and not enough episodes left to wrap everthing up!
May. 7th, 2017 11:05 pm (UTC)
Well, the deal wouldn't be through Crowley - it'd be through whatever demon bestowed the power on the witch. But who knows if he's actually affected by the deal, or if it's null and void since the original witch kicked it.

That's the ONLY acceptable way to use your vibrate feature...and also, have that vibrate on LOW. I can't stand these TV shows where all the phones are on HIGH VIBRATE. Like, dude, JUST USE A TONE.

I figure that Dean left his phone behind, because it wasn't like "we're on a case" - it was "there is no case and this is a room full of hunters." So, he was pretty much "at home."

I don't know, at this point I'm pretty pessimistic about Mary's fate - but I'll be happily proved wrong. But yeah, it'd be nice to keep her around in some capacity, even if they have to rebuilt the relationship at third time.
May. 8th, 2017 12:50 pm (UTC)
I loved this episode, because apparently I like my Winchester parallels very hurty and depressing!

I'm so fond of the twins, and this episode just made me want more of them (hello, spin off!!!) I really hope we see them expand on this storyline more, and not just go back to see them only to see Max as super evil or something and then he dies too, and poof goes doll!Alicia. I want more of these two, please show!!! I want Max to find a way to really bring her back, or I want her to reach out to the Winchesters and then we'll take it from there. SO MUCH POTENTIAL!!!

It does feel like the end for Mary, and I've been worrying about this for a while, because like you say, they've underused her so much. It feels to me like she going to make the ultimate sacrifice to save her boys and prove her love.

Also what is wrong with Sam? It felt like they were either overplaying it, or underplaying it. If there is something wrong I don't have a clue what and feel like I missed something huge, and if there isn't anything wrong, they for sure overplayed it.

Thank you for sharing :) (and as a Brit 'bummed' does make me snigger like a school girl!!!)
May. 8th, 2017 05:36 pm (UTC)
There's something wrong with Sam? This is news to me.

Yeah, at first I was against ever seeing the twins again, because I was sure any appearance would end in heartbreak - but then Liliaeth pointed out that if they got a spin-off, GOOD things might happen (first). So, I am in support of that. I really like them as characters.

I really hope we're wrong about Mary's end, but yeah...

(But what do you say INSTEAD of 'bummed'? Like... what do you say when something 'bums you out'... or is a 'bummer'? Hehehehe... sorry, I am genuinely curious, but also I'm sniggering too.)
May. 9th, 2017 04:25 pm (UTC)
I think the h/c lover in me is overreacting at the scene towards the end where Sam doesn't wake up despite Dean doing his whole panicked and worried "Sam!" a couple of times. We then went straight to Mary being tortured by Ketch. It's an odd scene, because like I said, they've either overplayed that something might be wrong with Sam, or completely underplayed it if there is. I'm sure Sam's fine and it was just some funky editing or something...

(and yes I can't help but giggle at that expression!!! I'm not sure if we have anything to replace it. Or if we do I can't think of it at the moment. I guess we'd just disappointed or something.)
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