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Yay!! I no longer have to avoid spoilers!

As to what I thought of it - I’m still processing…

I’d say initial reactions:

[Spoiler (click to open)]1. So glad nobody died.

2. Wished there were more Steve/Bucky scenes - you know, something actually schmoopy where we got to see that friendship again, at least a little. I feel like the scenes we did get were very surface-only interactions.

3. Did not like the forced romance between Sharon and Steve. I liked Sam and Bucky smiling in the car - but that was about it. I kind of feel that it’s a)a little gross, because she’s his dead girlfriend’s relative. b)totally not built up believably, because last we saw Steve did not like Sharon because she was a liar and a spy, and then he just forgives her because she was following orders and she didn’t tell Peggy? And she didn’t want people to know she was related to Peggy? I don’t believe it. c)Look, I get that we’re never going to have canon stucky, this isn’t even about that - but do we really have to have the “our hero is a heterosexual male and here it the proof” moment in this film? I mean, doesn’t Steve have enough on his plate?!!? I don’t think kissing should even be on his mind. Ugh.

4. Sad about Rhodey.

5. LOVE T’Challa - kind of annoyed that he never let anyone explain that it wasn’t Bucky (or that no one really tried to?!) but I’m super happy with him in this film regardless, and I’m really looking forward to Black Panther. Also, when Zemo called him “dutiful” I thought he said “beautiful” and I was like “damn right he is.” :P

6. Bucky losing his arm was crazy traumatic. I’m really glad T’Challa was on their side at that point and could look after them.

7. Really sad about Bucky having to go back into cryo because of the code-words in his head. I know that T’Challa and the Wakandans will probably figure out how to fix him sooner rather than later, but I just want my boys to be together, you know?

8. It was weird to see Daniel Bruhl again. I hadn’t seen him since Goodbye Lenin.

9. Also weird to hear Martin Freeman do an American accent. He sounds so… different… kind of… high voiced? I don’t know. It was hard to put my finger on. He’s still good at portraying barely contained rage, but I feel like it comes across as more menancing when he’s using his own accent. But maybe all the british villains in things have wired my brain to believe that.

10. It really did feel more like an Avengers movie than a Captain America movie, I have to say. It makes me kind of sad, because unless Steve and Bucky make cameos in other people’s films, we probably won’t see them again until Infinity Wars, and then there won’t be time to make up for the fact that I didn’t feel like there was a good enough stucky scene in this one. But who knows…and hey, that’s what fanfic is for. We just didn’t get our “not without you” scene in this one… though we did get Bucky, suffering from massive trauma, still saving Steve from getting beat-up in an alley, so that’s something.

11. Loved Black Widow’s turn.

12. I also feel bad for Tony, because he’s not unlike Steve - he put his faith in people too, but he put his faith in a committee and Ross, and they turned out to be horrible.

13. LOVED that last shot of Steve in civies rescuing his friends. I actually feel like Steve looks more powerful and menacing in his civilian clothes than he does in in his Captain America get-up.

14. Loved the action scenes, especially Black Widow kicking ass in the market place, and that move Bucky did when he stole the bike.

Okay… I’ll stop talking now. This was supposed to be short.


Basically, boils down to: Great Avenger Film. I think Winter Soldier will remain my fave, but this one had some fantastic stuff in it and I like the ending a little better. ;)

What's next up? Panther or Spider-man? I don't keep track of these things, but I really hope it's Panther.

Comments

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elani
May. 20th, 2016 08:55 am (UTC)
Any good bits for us few Hawkeye fans?
hells_half_acre
May. 20th, 2016 09:09 am (UTC)
I thought so! I think I actually liked Hawkeye best in this one.

...maybe not his outfit? But everything else was more in keeping with the character, as I see him.

He had some great lines and some cool little moments. I mean, he's not in it that much, because it's already a Captain America film with 90% of the Avengers in it, so they have to try to keep the focus on Cap, Bucky, and Tony - but yeah...

I don't know how much you want me to spoil you though...but I was definitely satisfied as a Hawkeye fan myself. (again, except for the obsession wardrobe departments have with putting archers in one-sleeved outfits. Like...there's no reason why an archer can't have sleeves on both arms.)
dairygirl
May. 20th, 2016 12:03 pm (UTC)
Spiderman is next year; Black Panther isn't until 2018.

I agree about liking the film, but appreciated The Winter Soldier more. Other than a few moments between Steve and Bucky, it was definitely more of an assemblage of people. I have to say part of my disappointment was how neatly things wrapped up in who was to blame for what happened during the film. However, I did appreciate how I was led one way to believe how the plot was going and it went in another direction, adding some interesting reveals (even if I guessed at least one point). And starting out the film as they did was an interesting choice.
hells_half_acre
May. 20th, 2016 06:58 pm (UTC)
Awww... I want Black Panther before Spider-man. :(

I didn't mind the wrap up at the end. But then, I'm a fan of neatly wrapped up endings. :P

But yeah, I really liked some of the turns that the story took. And I'm happy that most of them weren't spoiled for me. :)

I was amused by the actor they got to play Tony's dad, because I've gotten so used to Dominic Cooper playing Howard, and the older gentleman looked nothing like him. :P

Anyway...

Hi! How're you?! You haven't been around much chatting with me lately. It's nice to "see" you. :)
dairygirl
May. 21st, 2016 02:47 am (UTC)
*Waves* Just been absorbed in outside tasks and Captain America fanfiction. (Your fault you know.)

Yes, there was the token hetero kiss scene with Sharon (and no real lead up), but don't forget the VW bug (love the idea of shoehorning big guys in a small car. Did Chris Evans even really fit?) and one moment of harmony between Steve's two friends with the nods of approval.
hells_half_acre
May. 21st, 2016 02:51 am (UTC)
I'll proudly take responsibility :)

I've been reading some Kirk/Spock while I was waiting to see CW. Now I kinda don't want to leave it just yet - but I also want to dive back into postCW Captain America fic... so we'll see!

The VW Bug was great! That must have been a fun drive from Berlin to Leipzig!

And I did love the little smiles. Adorable boys. :)
lon_dubh
May. 20th, 2016 12:31 pm (UTC)
3. Did not like the forced romance between Sharon and Steve.

I have read articles stating that they were basically forced to shove the Steve/Sharon romance in. Granted it's a major part of the comic universe, but it felt like a scene got left on the cutting room floor that would have set it up better.

Maybe we'll get a "director's cut" for the DVD release.
hells_half_acre
May. 20th, 2016 06:54 pm (UTC)
Ugh, yeah, if they were forced to do it, then that explains why it felt so forced. :P

I just don't understand how Marvel picks and chooses what is a "major part" of the comics universe that should be in the movie and what is a "major part" of the comics universe that doesn't HAVE to be in the movie. Like... Steve's not dead (and I'm thankful for that), so obviously THAT major event didn't NEED to be in the movie... and Wanda isn't Jewish, so obviously THAT didn't need to be in the movie... and Spiderman's uncle Ben doesn't seem to have died (or at least they didn't mention it AT ALL as his origin story) so obviously THAT didn't have to be in the movie.

Blah... I mean, have Sharon in the movie, sure! She was great and I like her! But can't they be friends first? Instead of Steve going from animosity to "that kiss was late" LATE?! That kiss was ridiculously early!

Anyway, I'll stop complaining.
jeymien
May. 20th, 2016 04:08 pm (UTC)
Next up, Doctor Strange. Which looks interesting. Then Guardians of the Galaxy 2, then Spiderman: Homecoming (with Tony Stark!), then Thor: Ragnarok (with HULK! supposedly), then Black Panther. Infinity War 1, Antman and the Wasp, Captain Marvel, Infinity War 2. Inhumans pulled off the roster, it used to be there but.. Anyways, yeah.

Goddamn, My favorite Marvel character is Bucky Barnes now. :) You're right, that motorcycle sequence was awesome.

I thought the same thing - it's an Avenger movie. But it does have that Captain America bias to it, it's all about Cap and his decisions, that's what drives the story. So yeah. I see why it was Cap 3.
hells_half_acre
May. 20th, 2016 06:48 pm (UTC)
Yeah, it definitely couldn't have been a true Avengers movie - what with the focus on Cap and his relationships. But it was the most Avengeress non-Avenger movie that there's been. ;)

Oh man, I have to wait SO LONG for Black Panther!! I am sad and impatient. T'Challa was so awesome and I want to see more of Wakanda. Boo-urns.

My favourite character is definitely Bucky Barnes. Man, I love him so much. I left the movie just wanting SO BADLY to hug him.
liliaeth
May. 20th, 2016 06:59 pm (UTC)
ugh, no interest in Doctor Strange, esp. considering whom they cast as the Ancient One. It'd be one thing if the movie had several major Asian characters, but the movie is just another in a long line of movies that erase Asians while appropriating their culture.
liliaeth
May. 20th, 2016 06:57 pm (UTC)
I liked both Winter Soldier and civil War, though WS a slight bit more because we had more one on one scenes between Steve and Sam. Sorry, I'm a Steve/Sam shipper, I like Bucky as well, but I prefer seeing him as Steve's brother.

Best cinematic version of Spider-Man so far, still don't care all that much for Tony (and the more woobie Tony I come across in fanfic, the less I like him) And I loved Natasha and Wanda. Especially thought that the scenes between Wanda and Vision were cute as hell.

Loved that we got to see an argument about the accords between Rhodey and Sam, separate from Steve and Tony's issues. And I utterly loved that scene at the end between Rhodey and Tony, where Rhodey talks about how he doesn't blame Tony, because he's went on missions before and this was another one in his pov.

Still say that someone should have torn Tony a new one for bringing a child into that battle. (yeah Peter can look after himself, but damn it, the kid's only fifteen and way too young to be blackmailed into a battle by an adult he hero worships.)
hells_half_acre
May. 20th, 2016 07:20 pm (UTC)
I'm not surprised you're a Steve/Sam shipper! :) I really like them too, but I only ship them as part of an OT3 with Bucky - or, the fic just has to be REALLY well written, so that I don't feel like the relationship between Steve and Bucky is diminished in any capacity (as in, they don't have to bang, but they need to be devoted to one another in some respect.)

Anyway, yeah, it'd had been nice to get more Steve/Sam scenes too.

I agree about Spider-man. I'm indifferent towards Tony. I've actually only ever seen the first Iron Man movie, so I'm obviously...well, indifferent, like I said. :P

I also loved the Rhodey and Tony scene. I love their friendship, even though I've only seen it in passing (or in gifs on tumblr.) So, it was great to see that it remained strong. Really, at the end of the movie, both Steve and Tony's positions mirrored each other - and I liked that.

I also agree that someone needs to get mad at Tony for bringing a child into battle. I mean - I can see why he did it - Peter is powerful (catching that punch from Bucky) and his specialty is the fact that he captures, not kills. So it was a very good strategic move, but YIKES. I DID appreciate that they wrote in how much Tony tried to use him sparingly and keep him safe - technically, it was Peter who disobeyed the "stay back" order and RDJ did a great job of showing how much Tony was freaking out when Peter went down after subduing Antman.

But yeah, Tony was DEFINITELY bending his morals too far there when he "recruited" Peter. Maybe they'll address it in Spider-man... who knows. :P
tipsy_kitty
May. 21st, 2016 12:11 am (UTC)
Goodbye Lenin! I just put that together a couple of days ago. (Although apparently Zemo was also in Inglorious Basterds, which I apparently saw, probably at the cinema that serves cocktails because I don't remember much of it.)

I loved CW, am stitching in the Stucky in my head. The kiss, I'm really not coming at this from a shipper POV, but it was unnecessary borderlining on squicky. Plus my favorite thing about Winter Soldier was that there was NO het romance, which I really don't need in movies, especially shoe-horned in like this was.

But there was a lot to appreciate in CW. Planning on re-appreciating tomorrow when I take my mom :)
hells_half_acre
May. 21st, 2016 02:46 am (UTC)
Yup! I said "It's Daniel Bruhl!" when he came on screen, and I think my friends - who are less familiar with last decade's German cinema - may have been a little confused. ;)

I haven't seen Inglorius Basterds - but that's cool that he's in that as well! I haven't really been able to keep up with German films that much since 2005 or so, I don't know what the heck my ol' faves are up to!

Yeah, there are plenty of places to stitch Stucky in - I did appreciate that about the movie! From the sounds of it, the Russos were forced by Marvel to shoehorn in the romance, so yeah, hence why it feels shoehorned. Seriously though, even the way they acted that scene, it felt more like Steve kissed her because there was an awkward silence in which Steve thought "why isn't she taking her leave? Does she want something in return from me?? Does she want me to kiss her? I could do that, I guess... I guess I'll do that."

It was weird, is what it was. I LIKE Sharon Carter as a character, and I don't THINK my shipping is colouring my opinion of things... I mean, I'd probably have been fine if they hadn't kissed, and then in the next movie that we see Cap, we see they've kept in touch and hung out more, and THEN they kiss - I would have been fine with that, even WITH the whole niece-of-dead-girlfriend thing. :P

Anyway...

I hope your mom likes it!! I want to see it again too, but I'll probably save my pennies and wait until it comes out in digital watch-at-home format. :)
tipsy_kitty
May. 21st, 2016 03:22 pm (UTC)
I think she will, she's the one who dragged me (under protest) to see The Avengers in the first place :)
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