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Rewatch S10: Reichenbach 10x02

borgmama1of5 tells me that these episodes watch better when you watch them consequetively instead of leaving a week between them - but I don't have that kind of time!! Or maybe I do, but I'm just lazy.

But, in any case, here we are a week later to pick up where we left off.

Reichenbach

We get Cole backstory. He's a little cutie at 13. I still think they should have casted a younger actor for him in the future, but whatever... it's a hard life for a military dude, I guess.

They did a pretty good job making Dean look young - except they got something wrong around the eyes. They kind of make him look a little monolid.

Cole: "Every night I close my eyes and all I can see is your brother..."
- Me too, Cole, but for very different reasons. Mmmm....

And poor Sam has to give the monster talk while tied to a chair... and I love Cole's reaction, like "I know there are monsters in the world" and then when Sam is like "I mean vampires!" Cole is like "Oh, you're crazy."

Cole: "I guess we are just going to have to do this the other way"
- Awww, Cole, torture is wrong.

Dean at a strip club... poor security guard.

Meawhile, Sam is being tortured... poor Sam. He doesn't even know where Dean is.

And Cole drops his keys... part of me wonders if he does it on purpose, but the call is definitely NOT on purpose, so if he was bluffing with the hammer to the knee than he was about to be called on it. He certainly uses the dropped keys to his advantage by following Sam, but I think that's an improvisation after the fact rather than the plan all along.

Also, why give Cole a son that old? I mean, does NO ONE THINK OF TIMELINES BUT ME!

Off to Cas and Hannah...

Cas can't heal himself anymore, he's too weak. Poor Cas.

Cas: "Hannah, you don't have to - you can go. You don't owe me anything."
Hannah: "I know, but I want to stay and help. Is that wrong?"
Cas: "No, it's just, very human. It's a compliment."

- I guess we kind of get to see a little of what's going on with Cas' relationship with heaven here. There's enough people left, like Hannah, who see him as someone good and a leader, that they're willing to let him stay on earth despite the fact that all the other angels have to come back... and they're willing to overlook the fact that he's only an angel due to the fact that he consumed (is consuming) another angel's grace, which I took from when he did it to be a very taboo thing for an angel to do. I'm sure I mentioned it then, but I do wonder if, since Cas was "human" at the time of consuming the grace, if that's actually something that ANY human could do.
- Also, we get the first nods that Hannah's vessel might be changing her behaviour here. It makes sense that the longer angels are exposed to humans (via vessels) the more human traits they take on... and this would do well to explain the difference between Castiel when we first meet him (having newly acquired Jimmy) and angels like Gabriel and Balthazar, who have seemingly been in hiding on earth for unknown periods of time.
- I also like the fact that Cas DOES think that human things - like compassion for the dying - are compliments. Remember back in the day when Castiel used to be chastised by heaven for caring? Yeah, that was a long long time ago.

Sam: "Cas, Dean's a demon."
Cas: "Dean's a demon? How?"
Sam: "The Mark, I guess. It just... messed him up."
Cas: "That is a vast understatement."

- "My human boyfriend is now a demon?! Oh my god, as if my family could disapprove of him MORE THAN THEY DO ALREADY!" Heheheheh... sorry sorry, I just had to make that joke, despite my non-shipping ways.
- I really do love the RAGE that you see go through Cas when Sam tells him. I mean, all shipping aside, the barebones of facts tell us that what Cas LIKES about Dean is the fact that he is a GOOD MAN. Cas has often reiterated this in various ways over the years, from even their first meeting when Cas implied that Dean deserved to be saved. And yeah, basically they took Cas' friend and they stripped out all the good and turned him into something violent and callous and everything that Dean Winchester never was... so, yeah, rage time.

Hannah: "Castiel, I think the Winchesters might be a bad influence on you."
Cas: "Sam and Dean might be a bit rough around the edges, but they're the best men I've ever known. And they're my friends."

- Well, she put it more politely than Hester, when Hester was like "The very touch of you corrupts!" to Dean (I seriously love that line though). Also, what might be a bad influence, in the opinion of angels, is likely a good influence in the opinion of humans.
- But, really, I just like Cas' defense of them. He doesn't make excuses for their faults, and more than that, the fact that he mentions that they have faults along with the line "the best men I've ever known" tells us just how GOOD Sam and Dean are, if they're the best even with their faults. And I think it's also important that "And they're my friends" is seperate from that. They aren't his friends BECAUSE they're the best men he's ever known - he's not putting a condition on the friendship. If they someday stop being the best men he's ever known (like Dean currently has) that doesn't stop them from being his friends.

And then Cas falls asleep at the wheel. Yikes.

Dean: "Two shots here. He'll have something fancy with your tiniest umbrella."
- Hehehe. I kinda want to walk into a bar and order like that for myself one day, but knowing my luck they'd put either gin or blue curauco in it and it'd therefore be disgusting. Bars are always trying to get rid of their blue curauco, because it is the grossest. Gin, I just have a general distaste for in most cases.

Crowley: "It's about the Mark. It's changed you."
Dean: "I've noticed." *turns on black eyes*

- There's a delay between when Dean says "I've noticed" and when the black eyes kick in. They don't actually kick in until Crowley starts his next line - and it kind of drives me nuts because the TIMING IS OFF. The black eyes should have been turned on WITH the punchline, not after the fact. At the very least, it should have been the second after, not several seconds after and when Crowley has obviously (even noticable in the over the shoulder shot) taken his eyes OFF of Dean.

I actually do love the way Crowley calls Dean "darling"

And Crowley tries to charm Dean into being his hitman... it's actually a pretty good job.

Crowley: "Oh, there's something else that I need to share with you..."
- And we find out later that this is where Crowley tells Dean that it was Sam who led Lester to the crossroads... which, I get that they were trying to set up the fact that Sam was doing shady things, but I don't know... maybe I just don't have that strong of a moral compass. It was still Lester who made the deal, even when Sam was just using him for the summoning and tried to stop him before the kiss. It doesn't actually seem that bad to me. You can't save stupid people from themselves, and yeah, it's technically USING someone, but... *shrug*

Cas looks so dead on his feet. It's so sad.

And now he's asleep... awww, baby.

Dean's stalking the missus... I don't know, I don't think people with eyebrows that dark should go THAT bleach blonde... but maybe that's a trendy look that I don't know about.

And Lester shows up.

Dean: "Listen, and this is murder 101, when you hire someone to kill your wife, you don't want to be around when the hit goes down. It's called an alibi."
- Oh, stupid people.

Dean: "... now I don't blame her for stepping out, especially not if she found you were messing around first."
- So, part of me wonders if Dean has that ability that some demons seem to have where they can look at someone and KNOW things. Because I'm pretty sure Crowley probably just told Dean about Sam luring Lester to the crossroads, not about Lester's own infidelity... mainly, because I think Crowley is smart enough to know that even despite being demonized, Dean still has moral center where he tends to only go after people he can justify going after... followers of Abaddon who attack him first, the ex-boyfriends who mistreated the girl that Dean is currently sleepin with... I don't think he kills that secruity guard in the club just for doing his job, I think he beats him because he's getting antsy, but still stops himself from killing. Anyway, the way Crowley sold this kill was "why not kill people who deserve it" rather than let the bloodlust build until Dean takes out a "civilian" (sorry I didn't copy out the exact line now, but I'm too lasy to go back.) So, how does Dean know that Lester stepped out? Did Crowley let it slip, did he look into things himself? Or can he see something about the state of someone's soul just by looking at him? I mean, technically, Dean's a knight of hell, we don't know what powers come along with that.

Lester: "Men aren't built for monogamy. It's evolution. We're programmed to spread our seed..."
*Dean punches him*

- Aw yiss, punch him good.

Lester: "Yeah, well you're a punk ass demon, and you work for me now! So get inside and do your job, you freak!"
- Ooo, and here's Lester's big mistake. Remember back in the early seasons, where Dean had a lot of wrestling to do with the fact that he was raised to hate anything that wasn't 100% human, and there was a whole tension between, and around, both he and Sam over the use of the word "freak"... anyway, my point is, it's probably not best to remind the former hunter that he has become everything that he was raised to hate and fear.

Oh yeah! We do see the secruity guard again! See, he's fine. :)

Sam: "Will you do me a favour - if you do see him again, will you give me a call?"
Security guard: *takes card* "Yeah, you bet."

- Okay, I mean... not to fall into stereotypes here, but I'm pretty sure that the security guard is the type of person to recognize the name Lemmy Killmeister as being well the guy from Motorhead and not an FBI agent. But, maybe not. Though, what kinda FBI agent would willingly go by the name "Lemmy", I mean, that doesn't sound like a birthname to me. It's not even Lemmy Kilmister's birthname.

And Cole is following Sam way too close... in a very distinctive vehicle. Does no one know how to stalk people on TV?!?! Wait, why do *I* know this? Uh... nothing to see here folks.

Little girl: "Did you have a good dream?"
Cas: "Well, I uh, I don't really dream."

- Sleeping must be pretty boring for Cas.

Girl demon is attractive. Not my type, but so attractive that I kinda wish she were.

Crowley: "The client? You killed the client?!"
...
Crowley: "Of course it matters! The deal was one dead wife for one soul. The wife's not dead, I don't get the soul. It's math."

- Ah Dean, he did that on purpose. This way, he saves both the wife and (in a way) Lester... AND he still gets to murder someone. Dean's pretty damn smart.

Crowley: "What do you think you're doing?"
Dean: "Whatever I want."
Crowley: "Really? Because I don't think you know what you want. What are you, Dean, a demon? If so, then why isn't Lester's wife dead? Did you feel sorry for her? If so, then maybe you're human - except you have those pretty black peepers and you're working alongside me. Why don't you do us all a big favour and pick a bloody side?!"
Dean: "Or what? Hm? Go ahead. Make a move. See how it ends. I ain't your freaking bestie and I ain't taking orders from you. When I need to kill, I'll call, until then, stay out of my way."

- So, in the comment section to Black's rewatch last week,liliaeth and I had a cool discussion about Dean's demon-ness and how it works. Mainly, it was liliaeth pointing out the pattern and me being like "oh yeah, cool!" But, basically, the way it works is this:
- Demon!Dean is Dean unburdened by responsibility, guilt or mission. He doesn't revel in killing or being evil or causing chaos or whatever (as we see, he only kills to satisfy the Mark and control the bloodlust), what he DOES revel in is FREEDOM FROM RESPONSIBILITY. Anytime that he goes off the rails, it's when someone threatens that freedom. He doesn't try to kill Sam until Sam tries to cure him and bring that responsibility back. Dean as a character, as he states back in 5x11, feels responsible for keeping the entire world safe, and later, he clearly tells us that everything that ever goes wrong, he blames on himself. He's a man constantly burdened by responsibility, and that burden of responsibility USUALLY makes him rise to the occassion and be the best man he possibly can be - it's what drives his morals. Demon!Dean is the opposite of that, what drives him is the desire to be CAREFREE. He doesn't want to work with Crowley, because that would be a mission, that would be responsibilities placed on him by Crowley. I think he deliberately botched this job, in a way that made Crowley lose out on the deal, not just to save the wife and Lester's soul (I think those were secondary side-effects that Dean may have not actually cared about), but because it would lead to this confrontation where Dean could show Crowley that he wasn't going to be his attack dog - that just because Crowley was sick of karaoke at dive bars and wanted to get back to work, Dean wasn't going anywhere.

Crowley: "Fine. It's over. What can I say - crazy ones, good for a fling, but they're not relationship material."
Dean: "Are you done?"
Crowley: "We're done. You know what Dean? It's not me. It's you."

- I do like how Crowley improvises getting the last word in here. It's a barely scrapped together save-face, but considering how Dean just humiliated Crowley infront of his minions, it's pretty good considering.
- Also, again, I don't mind the insinuation that it was a capital R Relationship. I actually like the idea that as a demon, Dean would be carefree enough to not only embrace his bisexuality but be fine with sleeping with Crowley. That being said, I wouldn't want Crowley to be Dean's first time with a man, so if it were ever explicitly canon, I'd have to headcanon a cute teenage relationship for Dean way back in the past... or headcanon Benny as a capital R Relationship too, because Benny was a sweetheart.

Crowley: "Hello, Bullwrinkle. You miss me?"
Sam: "So much."

- That's... that's kinda hot, actually.

And Crowley's giving Dean up, because if he can't control him, he's a liability. Also, it gives Crowley control over the situation and shows his minions that there are consequences to double-crossing him like Dean did, or to not being obediant. This is where Crowley's true save-face comes in.

And Hannah has betrayed Cas by driving them to Heaven's door instead of to where Sam needs Cas to go. Low, Hannah... god, I'd be so pissed off if I were Cas.

Hannah is visiting Metatron to try to get Cas' grace back... I actually forgot about this part.

Metatron barganing that he'll leave earth and go to another galaxy... I don't believe him for a second. He's too manipulative.

Metatron: "You get Cas back at full power. Large and in charge. And that's what you really want, isn't it? Somebody big and strong telling you what to do? Poor little Hannah, your desperate to be dominated."
*Hannah slams him into the bars*
Hannah: "Watch your mouth"

- Oh man, I forgot what an ASS he is.

Cas puts a stop to everything though...

Cas: "Listen to me, Hannah, you don't want this. I have seen what- I have made deals born of desperation and they always blood...and tears... always."
- I gotta love Misha's delivery here. Because first he does the perfect pause after "I have seen what-" before he amends it to "I have made" - because this is a Castiel who is fully owning up to his mistakes of the past. But more than that, I love love love the pause and the way he casts his eyes down and to the side when he says "...and tears"... because he's not just admiting that there is a physical cost of deals, but that there is an emotional one as well - and emotional cost that he has already suffered through before. I don't know, maybe I'm alone in this, because I still see angels as relatively emotionless - but I think that's a pretty big thing for Castiel to admit. It's basically another declaration of his growing humanity, of his otherness to the angels, and of his love for the Winchesters.

Hannah: "So, I'm suppose to let you-"
Cas: "Yes. It's my life and it's my choice, and I don't want this!"

- YES! This is exactly the choice that John took from Dean and then Dean took from Sam back in the early seasons. But, just in general, I think it's important in life to be able to die on our own terms. (Baring of course, suicide caused by depression - as that is not our own terms, since we would not be mentally sound enough to make our own decision.)

Metatron threatens escape and then death to everybody. Man, I hate him.

And Sam finds Dean...

This episode feels like it's going on forever... not like, in a bad way, but wow, there's a lot in it.

Dean: "Who winged ya?"
Sam: "Does it matter?"
Dean: "Not really."

- I love that he still asks though.

Dean: "But did you ever stop to think that if I wanted to be cured, I wouldn't have bailed."
- And here we get Dean's warning, that he won't go down easy.
- I also love Sam's shrug and "That was Crowley", because he KNOWS it's an excuse that he's been telling himself - that Dean wouldn't CHOOSE to abandon Sam. And I think Sam knows that it's a lie, that as a demon, Dean very well might have abandoned Sam of his own free will, but even the idea of THAT hurts Sam and they both know it.

Dean: "...cause right now I'm doing all I can not to come over there and rip your throat out...with my teeth."
- You cannot use this line without me immediately thinking of Teen Wolf. No one can ever use this line again unless they are Derek Hale. And seriously, I know given all the possible ships on that show, Sterek is actually one of the more ridiculous ones, but with a (basically) opening line like that, who can blame people! It's sexy as hell in an extremely threatening way.

Dean: "I'm giving you a change, Sam. You should take it."
Sam: "I'm going to have to pas."
Dean: "Well, I'm not walking out that door with you, I'm just not. So, what are you going to do? You going to kill me?"
Sam: "No."
...

- This conversation goes on, but I don't actually need the words to talk about it, so I'm going to stop there. The thing that kills me about this conversation is how emotional Sam is getting, while Dean remains the same... kind of aloof, maybe slightly annoyed, but just kind of cold and callous. The fact that he tries to give Sam a chance to walk away speaks to the fact that at least part of Dean doesn't WANT to kill his brother... but the fact is that when given a choice between his own freedom and Sam, Demon!Dean will choose his own freedom and not regret that choice in the slightest.

Dean: "Right, you're the guy who was supposed to put a bullet in Sammy's brain. Did you miss?"
- I love the delivery of that line.

Demon!Dean is especially cruel in that he knows that he's the most important figure in Cole's life, and so the worst thing that he can do is tell him that he doesn't even remember killing Cole's father... that his father meant so little to him, when he meant so much to Cole, is like salt in the wounds.

And of course, Dean just beats the shit out of him.

Dean: "You have no idea what you walked into here, do you? None."
Cole: "What are you?"
Dean: "I'm a demon."

- Oh Cole, Sammy tried to tell you.

And, of course, the worse thing that Dean can do AGAIN, is to leave Cole alive to live with his failure to avenge his father.

Crowley's tie is really pretty.

Sam: "This doesn't make us square. If I see you again-"
Crowley: "Oh stop it, Samantha, no one likes a tease."

- Again, for some reason I'm not annoyed by Crowley's comments, I just find them weirdly sexy. Maybe it's a weird time of the month for me.

The photo of Dean and Crowley on Crowley's phone is HILARIOUS and I love it. Also, I think Dean is wearing that plaid shirt that he stole from those teenagers in the woods when he got back from Purgatory.

Minion: "Sir, it's time to move on."
- Awww, the relationship really is over.

Sam: "This thing is filthy"
Dean: "It's just a car, Sam."
Sam: "It's just a- wow, you really have gone dark."

- He really has.

Sam: "...you could have killed that guy and you didn't. You took mercy on him."
Dean: "You call that mercy? Imagine you spend your whole life hunting down the guy who knifed your father. When you finally find him, he whips you like a dog. How do you think that feels? That kid's going to spend his whole life knowing that he had his shot and he couldn't beat me. That ain't mercy. That's the worst thing I could have done to him. And what I'm going to do to you, Sammy - well that ain't going to be mercy either."

- ...sounds sexy. Goddamn it. I apologize for my hormones today.
- Seriously though, Dean's right. I actually had completely forgotten about this speech when I wrote what I did earlier. But yup, Dean sums it up beautifully for me here.
- What I absolutely love those is Sam's reactions - Jared does a beautiful job here of showing us the dawning horror as Sam realizes that his brother really IS a demon and that the hope he was clinging onto that some part of Dean is still in there and dominant is a false hope.


Yay! I might not wait a full week to do the next one. We'll see how the timing works out this week. :)

Comments

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supernutjapan
Nov. 8th, 2015 07:26 am (UTC)
YAY finally with the scary dark Dean - I agree about Demon!Dean wanting to be free (carefree, I guess). It totally reminds me of Soulless Sam. I bet the reason why he didn't want his soul back was for the same reason.

Loved the fight with Cole, the talk with Sam, etc. Damn sexy!
hells_half_acre
Nov. 8th, 2015 07:42 am (UTC)
Yes, I'm pretty sure that Soulless!Sam used similar reasoning - that he could remember being Sam and could remember the suffering that came along with having emotions. Or something... it's been a while since I watched s6!
borgmama1of5
Nov. 8th, 2015 03:34 pm (UTC)
does NO ONE THINK OF TIMELINES BUT ME!

Nope.

Most of my friendslist couldn't care less about Cas' storyline, so it's refreshing to read your sympathy and understanding for what he's going through. I especially appreciate how you point out the nuances of what he says...

Re: your analysis of Demon!Dean's mindset--you have it exactly right in saying that his key motivation is to be carefree, no longer dealing with the guilt that Dean Winchester lived with--Jensen talked about his decision to play demon!Dean as reveling in no longer feeling responsible. Of course I can't find the interview now, but the way you described Demon!Dean is practically exactly what he said: what he DOES revel in is FREEDOM FROM RESPONSIBILITY because Jensen wanted to make it about more than just being evil.

Waiting for your next rewatch!
hells_half_acre
Nov. 8th, 2015 08:21 pm (UTC)
Yeah, Cas in this fandom is a strange thing, you have one group of people who absolutely adores him and seems to ONLY care about him, and then, pretty much solely to oppose that group, there's another group of people who either outright hate him or ignore his presence completely, or see him as a detractor from the plot instead of a part of it. It's kinda bizarre.

I mean, Cas has had strong storylines and weak storylines over the years - but he's intrinsically part of the show now and affects Sam and Dean's characters and plot... and more than that, he IS an extremely complex character that, due to his otherness, can be fun to try to pick apart.

Anyway, this is all to say that since my favourite part of any show is picking apart character emotions and motivations through dialogue, it's unlikely that I'd ever refrain from discussing the nuances of what they say. :P

And yes, I remember those interviews with Jensen - you can definitely see his acting decisions come through in the show. I'd be interested to know whether this direction for demon!Dean came from Jensen or the writers - because, on the one hand, the dialogue lends itself to this interpretation - that Dean warns Sam away and only becomes vicious when Sam doesn't take the warning... that he's fine to hang out with Crowley until Crowley tries to make him a hitman... but, on the other hand, I think Jensen could have acted the same dialogue differently and made us think that it WAS just cruelty rather than a resistance to responsibility... anyway, questions I will probably never get answered...

I might do another rewatch today. I don't really have much else going on, and they're kinda fun. :)
khek
Nov. 8th, 2015 04:36 pm (UTC)
I remember the timeline!!! Cole (and his son) is enough to throw me out of the story with every single appearance, because it makes me start thinking "he looks way too old to be 26ish." And when I think that, it detracts from the story, because that's no longer my focus.

Demon!Dean...I thought he was deliberately finding ways around his deal, so that he wasn't doing anything that Crowley/Sam/the husband were thinking he should be doing. At first I thought it was to buck the "demon" part of him, but it makes more sense that he would be avoiding responsibility. After all, the poor guy's been responsible for a lot of things since he was four.

I'm not sure what the difference between soulless!sam and demon!dean would be. I'm pretty sure that Dean wasn't a normal demon though. I think he had more autonomy because of his path to demonhood. I bet if he had been a "normal" demon, Crowley could have made him do what he wanted...which might have been some of the appeal he had to Crowley. I imagine knowing that no one can say "no" to you might get old. And make getting the one demon who could do what you want anyway would make it more of a victory.

Fun rewatch, as always! I think I need to go back and re-watch a lot of season 9 and 10. A lot of them I only watched the one broadcast view.
hells_half_acre
Nov. 8th, 2015 08:28 pm (UTC)
Well, I'm glad I'm not the only one that gets thrown out of the storyline because of the funky timeline stuff. I have to build-up so many headcanons to compensate: 1)Cole had a really rough life in the army and aged prematurely, 2)the kid isn't Cole's. Cole married an older woman who had a son from a previous marriage. Well, okay, just two headcanons, but still!

I think you're right about Dean not being a normal demon, after all, most demons become demons after being tortured for centuries - that breeds a different type of behaviour, one where they might more willingly obey their superiors for fear of more torture or because obedience has been tortured into them. Dean turned demon overnight, and not only that, he turned into the equivalent of Cain (IMHO) who was basically the first knight of hell, making Dean a Knight of Hell too and probably too powerful from the jump to be killed by the demon blade.

I think Crowley constantly has a catch-22 on his hands, because normal demons seem to be obedient, but unable to think on their feet (Ruby, of course, is an exception to this). Crowley is constantly bemoaning the stupidity of demons - yet, if you find a demon that's smart, and able to think on their feet, then more then likely they are not willing to be obedient.

Most of these, I only watched once too. It's the same with S11, where I'm mostly timelining as I watch the first time, so even my habit of watching an episode twice the week it comes out is not the case anymore.
shadowsong26
Nov. 9th, 2015 05:42 am (UTC)
Hello again!

Yes, pretty much agreed on all you said about Cole and casting him and his son too old...and the scene with him and Sam.

He certainly uses the dropped keys to his advantage by following Sam, but I think that's an improvisation after the fact rather than the plan all along.

I think you're right about this. It makes more sense than any other option, given everything else that happens around it.

this would do well to explain the difference between Castiel when we first meet him (having newly acquired Jimmy) and angels like Gabriel and Balthazar, who have seemingly been in hiding on earth for unknown periods of time.

That makes a lot of sense! I really, really like all the tidbits of angel/vessel/possession lore we got in S9 and S10. And I want it to come up again--trace Grace, vessels being at minimum passive recorders of what their angels see...and it kind of makes me wonder, if the effects in the other direction (i.e., angels who spend a long time in a vessel becoming more humanlike) are at all related to the individual vessel's personality, or if they're just general transfer regardless? So, like, for example...did Raphael's humanlike traits (if he absorbed any) shift at all when he was in his female vessel, as opposed to the time he spent in Donnie? Did Gadreel's shift after his time in the bartender, from whatever he'd absorbed from Sam? Could that explain some of the personality differences between Lucifer and Hallucifer--in that Lucifer had more of Nick's personality template and Hallucifer was a combination of some of the worst traits Sam saw in himself combined with various other nightmares of his? Did Hannah absorb different traits from her male vessel than from Caroline, or was she specifically watching for them and finding a way to suppress them, since she was clued into this effect and had issues with the effects of possession in general? IDK, I like thinking about stuff like this...

Anyway, agreed on your comments about the 'best men I know' line.

I don't mind blue curacao, if only because all the rum-based cocktails that don't have it tend to have coconut flavor in them, and I can't stand coconut...so I guess I've trained myself to like it, heh.

Agreed with you about Sam's actions/choices re: Lester.

That is an interesting question, about what demonic powers Dean may or may not have had...it probably won't ever come up again, but it might be interesting to see something along the lines of 'so back when I was a demon I noticed/learned/saw...' and have that be relevant. But, like I said, probably not.

Agreed on your comments about Demon!Dean and Crowley's r/Relationship.

And on Cas's acknowledgement of his guilt here, and that whole line.

And on Metatron. Want to punch him in the face everytime he shows up onscreen...though, actually, he pisses me off slightly less in S10 than in S9? Maybe because he's not winning...IDK.

I love love love the fight between Demon!Dean and Cole. One of my favorite scenes from S10.

And agreed on your comments about Sam and Dean's final exchange.

Looking forward to the next one!
pushistyj_koshk
Nov. 15th, 2015 10:02 pm (UTC)
Re:Also, why give Cole a son that old?

How old did he look?

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Re: I'm sure I mentioned it then, but I do wonder if, since Cas was "human" at the time of consuming the grace, if that's actually something that ANY human could do

What do you think would happen if an actual human (not an ex-angel) consumed an angel grace? And could he manage that?

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Re: Gin, I just have a general distaste for in most cases.

Hey! What do you have against juniper?

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Re: I mean, technically, Dean's a knight of hell, we don't know what powers come along with that.

And we never will, I suppose. I think that chapter is effectively closed. Unless there'll be a season 19 or smth.
hells_half_acre
Nov. 15th, 2015 10:26 pm (UTC)
How old did he look?

I don't remember anymore. Obviously, that problem was fleeting. :P

What do you think would happen if an actual human (not an ex-angel) consumed an angel grace? And could he manage that?

No clue. This is exactly what I am wondering.

Hey! What do you have against juniper?

Apparently I don't like it distilled and alcoholic. Don't mind it growing on the ground, don't mind it in my tea... but don't like the alcoholic beverage that derives from it unless it is very very well disguised in a cocktail of some sort.

And we never will, I suppose. I think that chapter is effectively closed. Unless there'll be a season 19 or smth.

Very true. We'll have to use our imaginations.
pushistyj_koshk
Nov. 16th, 2015 12:54 pm (UTC)
Re: Apparently I don't like it distilled and alcoholic. Don't mind it growing on the ground, don't mind it in my tea... but don't like the alcoholic beverage that derives from it unless it is very very well disguised in a cocktail of some sort.

Oh, I don't discriminate :)
metallidean_grl
Dec. 6th, 2015 09:39 pm (UTC)
This is one of my favorite episodes of the season, and the fight between Dean and Cole is one of my favorite scenes. So masterfully done, the whole episode.

As much as I disliked the angel storyline in this season, and was confused about where they were going with it in these first couple of episodes, I also appreciated the lessons that Castiel was teaching Hannah about humans, about humanity. Hannah was changing. Remembering her from the S9, she was a very strict, stick up her ass angel that followed rules and didn't care about the greys, she was very black and white. But, now that she has been down amongst the humans for awhile, she is starting to care about things, questioning more. She cares about Castiel, about him dying. She cares enough that she swallows her pride and goes begging to Metatron for Cas' grace. A very human thing to do. And their conversation in the car about Dean and Sam - I also loved how Cas talked about them being the best people he knows and defending them as his friends. I agree with your assessment that the longer an angel stays amongst the humans, the more "human" they become. Cas has changed a lot since we first saw him in S4, and Hannah was already starting to change. Give them another millennia and Cas will definitely be more human, like Gabriel.

The whole Crowley/Dean relationship is a curious thing. In this episode Crowley boasts to Dean that he has done all kinds of favors for him these last six months, what with the Mark, the Blade and now feeding him these demons to keep the Mark sated. I can't help but laugh a little at that line. Crowley hasn't done Dean any kinds of favors, he is the biggest hypocrite. Crowley did all that because he knew what the end result was and he was grooming Dean to become his little attack dog all along. He was subtly playing Dean all throughout S9, giving him enough rope to make his own decisions, but yet, guiding him along the way to make the choices that would lead them to where they are in this episode. He knew that if he had a demon by his side, marked with the MoC and the Blade as his weapon, they would become the most powerful team ever. He could rule Hell with even more fear and torment than ever before. But, like as we have said before, Dean didn't care too much for Crowley's end game because he didn't want the responsibility.

Crowley continues to try to manipulate Dean by sending him to kill Lester's wife. But Lester walks in and gets himself killed instead. You are right, the second Lester called Dean a punk ass demon and said that he works for him and that he needs to go and kill his wife, was the second he signaled his own death. First calling him a punk ass demon - not a good thing. You could see the expression on Dean's face change right away. I hadn't thought too much about the fact that he was being called something that Dean grew up hating and killing his whole life, but I thought more that Dean is far from a punk ass demon. He is the most powerful demon out there, a demon that no one can kill, and he will only get stronger as the days and years go by. So, Lester calling him punk ass - yea, not really Lester. And then calling him out that Dean works for him. Well, Dean works for no one - again with the responsibility thing. Dean will not follow anyone or take orders from anyone - hence, he killed Lester. Now, why didn't he go in and kill the wife too? I never gave it much thought, I just always felt that since he killed Lester, he didn't really need to kill the wife, so he just let it go. I never really thought it was because Dean's humanity was showing.
metallidean_grl
Dec. 6th, 2015 09:39 pm (UTC)

When Dean reports back to Crowley though - absolutely loved that interchange. All the things that Crowley was bating Sam with in the first episode, Dean was telling Crowley that isn't the case. They aren't besties, nor friends. Dean was using Crowley, as much as Crowley was using Dean. And the shove - best thing ever. Dean was finally asserting his power over Crowley and showing Crowley that he is not the top man on the totem pole -Dean is that top man, and Crowley better not cross him. Hence, why Crowley had to save face and tell him, or more importantly, his minions, that Dean is not relationship material and that they are done. This was also why Crowley gave Dean up to Sam. Crowley wants, needs, to be King of Hell, top man on the totem pole, but with Dean around, and growing stronger, that will not happen. So, Crowley gives him up and wants him to go back to being human so he doesn't have to face that competition for the power. His plan all these months has fizzled out. On to Plan B.

Then there is Cole. He does seem a little old, but I am willing to look past that. His beatings of Sam were brutal and hard for me to watch. Sam was already hurt and damaged and Cole was just needlessly beating him for information that Sam was never going to give up. I hated Cole for what he did to Sam, and was happy when Dean got one over on him later in the episode. As for the keys, I also think them coming out of his pocket with his phone was unplanned, but once they did come out I think Cole used it to his advantage. I don't think he was ever going to go through with hitting Sam in the knee with the hammer. At least, I hope he isn't that cruel. So, the phone call was perfect timing for him, he was able to save face and remain the badass. Sam was a little off his game if he didn't notice Cole was following him. I suspect he suspected Cole was probably following him, but Sam was so desperate to find his brother that he really didn't care all that much.

When Sam and Dean finally do meet up, such a hard and sad scene to watch. What with Dean mocking Sam with the brothers, taking him home and telling him it's not going to happen. Dean does give him all the chances to walk away. I'm still not sure if it is Dean's humanity that motivates him to give Sam these chances, or if it is the memories of them being brothers-nostalgia- or some other thing. I'd like to think its a mixture of humanity, love for brother and Dean being Dean.

The fight between Cole and Dean was so awesome. Cole is giving everything he's got to beat Dean, and Dean just keeps blocking all his hits. Dean isn't even really fighting Cole, he is just blocking everything, and taunting him, which is worse. So, when Dean finally does give him a beat down and leaves him with the memory that Cole couldn't kill Dean - that is worse than killing him.

All throughout this episode the one thing about Dean and Jensen's portrayal of demon!Dean, was how he used his voice. He didn't yell or scream or even raise his voice in anger. He kept this calm, almost menacing tone to his voice, which I always felt was eerily scary in many ways. Jensen could have approached these scenes so differently in how he used his voice, but the fact that he kept his voice calm and accented words differently than he normally would was much more menacing than any kind of screams or outbursts could have been. Especially that last scene with Sam, in how he tells him how he is going to kill Sam. Jared is marvelous there in portraying the fear that evoked in him, but how Jensen delivered those lines - yea, perfectly scary.

Such a great episode. Love this one so much, which is probably why my comments are so long. Sorry for the book.
hells_half_acre
Dec. 10th, 2015 06:39 pm (UTC)
Dean does give him all the chances to walk away. I'm still not sure if it is Dean's humanity that motivates him to give Sam these chances, or if it is the memories of them being brothers-nostalgia- or some other thing. I'd like to think its a mixture of humanity, love for brother and Dean being Dean.

Same.

All throughout this episode the one thing about Dean and Jensen's portrayal of demon!Dean, was how he used his voice. He didn't yell or scream or even raise his voice in anger. He kept this calm, almost menacing tone to his voice, which I always felt was eerily scary in many ways.

Agreed, and thanks for mentioning it. I should have mentioned that in my post - but yes, Jensen did a great job with changing the voice of the character to make him "other".

And yes, basically, if I haven't talked about your other points, it's because I agree with them! :)
hells_half_acre
Dec. 10th, 2015 06:35 pm (UTC)
As much as I disliked the angel storyline in this season, and was confused about where they were going with it in these first couple of episodes, I also appreciated the lessons that Castiel was teaching Hannah about humans, about humanity. Hannah was changing.

I think this is why the S10 angel storyline kinda of annoyed me - because it had POTENTIAL to be really interesting, and Hannah was finally turning into a character that I wanted to watch grow and evolve... and they they sort of just aborted everything.

Crowley did all that because he knew what the end result was and he was grooming Dean to become his little attack dog all along.

Agreed, Crowley only ever does things for Crowley - any time he says differently, it's just to manipulate people into doing what he wants... for his own benefit yet again.

First calling him a punk ass demon - not a good thing. You could see the expression on Dean's face change right away. I hadn't thought too much about the fact that he was being called something that Dean grew up hating and killing his whole life, but I thought more that Dean is far from a punk ass demon. He is the most powerful demon out there, a demon that no one can kill, and he will only get stronger as the days and years go by. So, Lester calling him punk ass - yea, not really Lester. And then calling him out that Dean works for him. Well, Dean works for no one - again with the responsibility thing.

That's a really good point about how Dean is probably the MOST POWERFUL demon right now, and so the "punk-ass demon" insult is going to offend him on that level too.

Now, why didn't he go in and kill the wife too? I never gave it much thought, I just always felt that since he killed Lester, he didn't really need to kill the wife, so he just let it go. I never really thought it was because Dean's humanity was showing.

I don't think so either. I think it was also an FU to Crowley - in that no only did he kill the Client, he also didn't fulfill the deal. Like, there wasn't a way that he could disobey Crowley's order MORE. He didn't do the job, which meant that Lester's soul wasn't Crowley's, and then he killed Lester... so, whether it was because his humanity was showing (he did, in a way, save both the intended victim AND Lester's soul) or not, it was definitely an FU to being Crowley's attack dog.
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