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Quick Reaction: 11x02 Form and Void

Oooooooooh man... so, yeah, fast-paced episode. Some stuff I loved, some stuff I didn't... but overall, still shaping up to be a good season!

Disclaimer: I've watched the show once, while drinking. I took notes only so much as to remember the general order of events/scenes. All quotes are paraphrased. Things are not going to be remembered exactly. Don't correct me unless it's a major plot/character point or I ask you to.

Annnnnnnnnnd, in we go.....

We're still in Superior, Nebraska - which, incidentally, is still only an hour or two away from the Bunker, so really, the fact that Sam isn't just saying "screw this, I'm going home" really says a lot about his character.

But, yes, we get this great scene of a croatoan/darkness "infected" making his way through town, while SOMEONE (*cough*Sam*cough*) hits up a hardware store and... and then we see Sam lure the guy into an alley by playing Night of the Hunter on his iphone.

My friend knew that it was Night of the Hunter - I've never seen the film, but according to my friend, it is about a smooth talking good looking priest (Robert Mitchum) who is actually a terrifying murderer. Later, my friend realized that while that theme didn't reflect Sam at all, it DID reflect Crowley. So, that was cool. But I'm getting ahead of myself. (Also, Sam has Night of the Hunter on his phone for some reason.)

Sam is trying electro-shock therapy... or, he's just knocking the thing out. I love how he asks him if he can talk first - it's important to carefully screen your experimental lab subjects.

Splashcard and...

DEAN! Dean is dropping the deputy off at her nan's house. The deputy narrates the neighbourhood for Dean and points at the house she had her first kiss and then she points somewhere else for where she lost her virginity, and Dean is like "bet the house was pissed" and the deputy was like "oh, she was." And I'm wondering if the deputy was referring to the house itself as a she, or if we just got a lesbian/bi character introduced to us all too briefly. I mean, on the one hand, she does end up dying, but on the other hand, so does everyone, so I think it'd still count as a good representation move where Supernatural is concerned. When EVERYONE dies, you can't really fault them for killing off everyone. (but we should probably steer clear of that debate.)

Anyway, Dean is all cooey with the baby. And it's cute and all, but at this point, my notes legit say "Feed the baby!" because I don't even have kids and I know that babies that small have to eat like every 2 hours, and I haven't even seen them buy formula...

Back to Sam!

Sam opens what I thought was a wet wipe and then eats it. So...apparently pills in America are packaged differently? Someone fill me in, please. Was that a recognizable thing to Americans? Because I swear to god, in Canada only wet wipes come in those kinds of packages. I just don't think eating wet wipes is the answer to Sam's problems.

Anyway, Sam interrogates the dude... and by interrogates, I mean asks him nicely for information and then gives him pudding when he requests some. Take note that this was a very effective way for Sam to get information.

Dean tries to call Cas, but Cas has been strung up by angels. Poor Cas!

We get Ephram and Jonah. I swear we've had Ephram before... I'mma look it up....hmmm... okay, maybe I was confused with Inias?  I guess Ephram is new. I don't even know if I'm spelling that correctly. Probably not.

Anyway, Ephram and Jonah are DOUCHNOZZLES. I mean, seriously... all studies show that no legit information ever results from torture, and also Cas was totally willing to play ball with most information if you'd just HELP HIM. Guys, people want to be HELPED. If you offer people help, like, legit help, they will be more willing to help you in return, it's BASIC PSYCHOLOGY. Anyway, the angels actually do figure this out, but they go about it in the most ass hattery way possible...and we'll get to that.

Back at the farm house, the baby kindly asks to be fed by embedding blocks in the wall. SEE! I TOLD YOU TO FEED THE BABY! I'M RIGHT!

Of course, the grandmum is a religious... person (I was about to use another word, but then realized that some of my readers are religious people and I was about to be unnecessarily offensive... and yeah, in this universe it's not even like she's completely crazy to call an exorcist... but again, we'll get to that.)

I loved the joke of "Who are you going to call?" and Dean picking up his phone with "Ghostbusters." Hehehe

Dean does a very impressive u-turn, given the boat of a car that he's driving.

We get another lie-filled call (on Sam's end) between Sam and Dean, but at least they're talking. :P

Meanwhile, Cas is being tortured. So... doesn't stabbing angels with the angel blade KILL THEM. I mean, Cas once killed an angel by driving PART of an angel blade into an angel's EYE. Yet, for some reason, they can stab Cas in the shoulder AND the stomach, and he comes out fine. It's very bizzare.... though, it DOES lend credence to my headcanon that Castiel was designed to always be, that he is, in fact, immortal and designed for the sole purpose of being a spanner in the works.

Cas calls for "mercy, brother" and the angels argue against him - asking if he's really an angel. Cas says he is, but the angels point out that when given the choice between Heaven and the Winchesters, Castiel chooses the Winchesters every time... so can he really be called an Angel of the Lord, or brother, without serving Heaven? Big questions that tie back into Metatron's similar questions to Castiel last season... if Cas is neither angel nor man, what is he is? Does he HAVE to be anything or is he simple Castiel: Professional Spanner.

Back to Sam!

Someone is singing O Death in the hospital and it is pretty... and so is she!!

It's a reaper! Sam gets a pretty reaper of his own, just like Dean did! Only, Billy (Billie?) is pissed off. She seems to confirm that Dean killed Death (though I still maintain that killing Death is impossible and that Death has merely decided that he doen't want to be involved in shenanigans anymore, and has told all his reapers to keep up the ruse.)

But then she delivers a message to Sam that it's over - them always being brought back from the dead. Apparently the "old Death thought it was funny" - which, awesome and hilarious. But, Billy is sick of the Winchesters messing up the world, so apparently the next time they die, they're going to be tossed "out into the empty" - and AWESOME!!!! Oh man, that totally jives with the way that I see the structure of the SPN universe.

Anyway, Billy/Billie is awesome and I love her. If she's the new death, then I don't mind that the old death is gone - though he's NOT DEAD. Billy and Sam should be friends. I have decided. They could fall in love and get married and have beautiful beautiful babies.... or they could just be friends... or frenemies... or just remain awesomely neutral at each other. I don't care. I'm getting off track.

CAS!

Cas and the angels recap the end of last season for us - Metatron escaped, Metatron is human, Metatron tricked Cas yet again, etc. Then it's more torture time, even though TORTURE IS NOT A LEGIT WAY TO GET INFO. Geez.

But then it's Hannah to the rescue!! I love Hannah, and her new vessel is awesome and I really like the actor who plays her, because he does such a good job of being CARING with his big caring eyes...

(So, sidenote, in an earlier commercial break, my friend and I were talking about another friend of hers named Dean (40+), who is dating a younger man... and we were trying to guess how young and if it was scandalous or not...and while Cas was getting tortured, my friend stalked the boyfriend on fb and found out his birthdate, so, right as the scene ended and it went to commercial or whatever, my friend was like "Dean's boyfriend is 29!" - and my brain, who was watching a show with a character named Dean, and had just looked at a scene with Hannah looking lovingly at Cas, got SUPER CONFUSED and thought that Hannah's vessel was 29, but then realized that Hannah wasn't dating Dean - and then realized that Dean didn't have a boyfriend - and then realized that my friend was talking about IRL Dean. Anyway, you all need to know this because of something funny later that you had to be there for, but I'm going to tell you anyway...)

Back to Sam! Sam is going to the chapel to pray. Sam prays to God directly (best to bypass angels) and we find out that it's "been a long time", so that answers the question of whether Sam lost his faith completely or not... he did, at least, partially. Sam, true to Sam, prays for DEAN...geeeezus, Sam, you're killing me here. Dean deserves better, Sam thinks - he wants Dean to have a life. Sam's made peace with dying, so if God wants to kill Sam, that's cool. Also, Sam feels bad for setting the darkness free, even if he doesn't regret saving his brother - and he doesn't want people to die because of him.

Anyway, the short of it is that Sam asks for a sign. Personally, I would have aimed higher and asked for a solution. I think that at this point I said that out loud. And that's when my friend said, "he should have asked for a 29 year-old boyfriend." And we laughed and laughed.

But GOD ACTUALLY ANSWERS SAM! Sam sees visions of himself getting tortured (and my god, why do they have to include eye-stuff! I DON'T LIKE EYE-STUFF)... and Sam collapses in the hallway and yells what we're all thinking "WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?!!?!"

And I LOVE IT... I mean, only Sam could ask for a sign, get one, and then TALK BACK. I love him.

Also, I guess I'm just optimistically assuming it was God - it could be something completely different and sinister that's going to suck in an epic plot twist no one sees coming - except for me, right here, in a paranoid fit.

BUT BUT BUT... I've seen a lot of speculation about how Lucifer is technically the LIGHT BRINGER and also the original lock for the Darkness, and there was a mention of the cage last week...and Sam seeing himself getting tortured... like he was in the CAGE... like he was by LUCIFER.... dun dun DUN!

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Dean has arrived to find that Jenna's gran has called an "exorcist" and he walks in to find that the exorcist is CROWLEY! You know, even with the spoiler preview of Crowley in the collar, I still forgot and was delightely surprised, so I would like to take this moment to thank my brain for being a forgetful sieve sometimes.

Crowley then says that he knows Dean because Dean was a particularly "scrumptious young alter boy" - and, on the one hand, I did laugh, on the other hand... molested alter boy jokes shouldn't be funny, everyone is horrible and if I believed in it, we'd all be going to hell.

Dean is so pissed, you guys (-that is literally what my notes say.)

Back to Cas and Hannah! Hannah can't heal Cas of the curse, and it's super sad.

Back to Dean and Crowley! Uh... wait, my notes don't make sense here. Are we still with Hannah and Cas? Let's just say that we are, if there's something with Dean and Crowley, it can wait... Hannah tells Cas about the alarms that are going off in Heaven that have never gone off before and no one knows what they mean.

Oh, I know, back at the ranch, Jenna is checking on the baby - and we get Cas' voice over about what the Darkness is, and that's why my notes are confusing. Cas explains the Darkness to Hannah, and they have this exchange:
Hannah: "God help us"
Cas: "I wouldn't count on that."
- And I LOVE IT. I love the fact that Castiel is an angel who has lost all faith in God, but gained faith in humanity (wherein "humanity" is represented by the Winchesters and/or Dean specifically.)
- I also love that he can can still count himself an angel while not having faith in God. It reminds me of Anna, back in her awesomest episode, and possibly my favourite line in SPN, which is when she responds to Uriel's "there is no god" with "maybe, maybe not, but there's still me." I still maintain that before Anna was reprogrammed/tortured/driven-insane in Heaven, she was far more advanced in her belief system than Cas still is.

Then Cas suddenly realizes that something isn't jiving... because how did Hannah know to find and rescue him?

Back to Dean and Crowley - we find out that Crowley uses the bad priests and gets them to give him a heads up if there's rogue demons in the area. And then he comes in as an "exorcist" and reprimands them or what have you. Crowley doesn't know what he's dealing with here, but he knows it's ancient and evil. He also recognizes that Dean is oddly attached to it.

Back to Cas and Hannah - Cas realizes that it was a set-up. The angels were supposed to torture him, so that Hannah could come in as the white knight and get the information through kindness. Ooo, again, they've learnt that kindness works better than torture, yet they've used this information in a way that STILL USES TORTURE. Geez... guys, not cool. And it sucks, because Hannah seemed to be a moral angel.

But then, it seems that she may have been out voted... because the other angels say "that's how democracy works" and it makes me wonder if that's a quip or if Heaven has actually established a democracy. Interesting. Anyway, Hannah explained that the other angels hate Castiel... sadness.

And then we find out that since Hannah's kindness didn't work, it's time for the brain hack!

Back to the ranch, and Jenna has become a murderer. At first I was wondering if Jenna was the new Darkness and it had lept vessels or something...

Castiel is getting his noggin drilled into... and the angels don't REALLY know what they're doing, because the one of them only watched Naiomi "once" - ouch, but nice callback to a previous character and the shows own mythology.

Hannah tries to get them to stop and they start beating her up, and then Castiel gets super hulk mad and pops the pins in his head ala Samandriel back in the day, and then goes to TOWN...only Hannah gets killed NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

I liked Hannah, you guys. Ugh, STOP KILLING GOOD ANGELS! :( Sad times forever.

Sam is dying while all this is happening. It suxors for him. While he's dying, he runs through all the info he's amassed... the Reaper telling him that he's "unclean in the biblical sense" and then his internet research or purification rituals... and at first I was wondering if the reaper was hinting a the demon blood as being a source for the cure, but if that were the case (ala croatoan virus) then Sam wouldn't have been infected in the first place. What she meant was the opposite - that holy oil is the answer. Sam lights some on fire, and at first I was wondering if he had to swallow it, because that's a good way to burn your insides and die - but nope, you just have to hold the fire close to your skin. Yay! No burns!

Back with Dean and Crowley, and Dean explains about the Darkness (I think?) and then they have a hilarious exchange where Dean calls Crowley Velma from Scooby Doo and Crowley argues that he's Daphne. Anyway, I laughed.

Dean discovers that it is indeed a Darkness baby!

Meanwhile, Sam is luring the Infected to the chapel with the clever use of Sugar Shack played on a boom box... I'm just going to go ahead and assume that Sam found that boombox and tuned it to the first radio station he found... because although we don't know much about Sam's taste in music, Sugar Shack just doesn't strike me as Sam's jam.

He uses a holy oil ring of fire to cure them, and it works! Yay! Sam successfully saves people!! He actually very rarely does that. Usually Sam's MO is to fail spectacularly and have it stand as a metaphor for how he constantly fails to save his brother.

Dean and Crowley find Jenna and discover that she is soulless! So, the Darkness eats soulles apparently and I officially take back all my demands that they simply feed her to solve their problems.

We also discover that when she DOES eat a soul, she can age rapidly. So, now we're dealing with another creepy kid sized enemy.

(Also, sidenote, when the Deputy Jenna arrived, her grandmother said that she got Jenna's FATHER's old crib set up - which makes her Jenna's paternal grandmother... and yet, Amara finds a girls dress in the storage bin of kids stuff. So.... Jenna either has Aunts, or her father used to look like a little girl. Which, you know, is possible, and certainly adds an interesting dynamic to the family (which is sadly apparently completely wiped out)

Crowley kills Jenna, which pisses Dean off - but honestly, what were you going to do? Her soul has been EATEN. I don't think you can get it back.

Okay, so HERE is where Dean tells Crowley about the Darkness? Or how the kid is the Darkness? Or something, and Crowley is like "okay, I'll go kill her too" and Dean is like "Noooooooooo!" and then Crowley gets MAD and throws Dean into a closet and tells him that he isn't "your bloody sidekick!" And we see that the pissed off Crowley from last season at least PARTIALLY still exists.

Dean drives and angel blade through Crowley's hand, and pulls the demon knife, yet once again, doesn't attempt to kill Crowley with it. (I still maintain that it probably wouldn't work anyway, but it annoys me that Dean just keeps letting Crowley live... I mean, if he's playing the 'devil you know' game, fine, but just TELL US that's what you're doing.)

Then we get sort of vaguely middle-eastern themed techno music while Dean looks for the baby - which, while super cool, wasn't the usual tone of music that Supernatural employs, so it was notable.

The baby is gone, so Dean runs back to check on Crowley, but he's gone too! I mean, what did you expect Dean? Geez.

Finally, it's back to the bunker! Things are still a big mess. :(

Dean's telling Sam about what happened, but he can't quiet believe it, or he is downplaying it, and tells Sam that maybe he was just "seeing things" "like a vision" and SAm is like "*awkward laugh* visions... so... crazy."

Dean starts joking about how they should get a maid, who wears a little outfit and... but then he's cut off by the fact that there's someone behind the pile of books! It's CAS! He is not looking the best, but hey, at least he came home! Also, nice of him to interrupt that bad joke about the maid.

Then we cut to little creepy girl walking by herself down the street - and Crowley pulls up in a black van, opens the door to a family of tied up people, and offers her "candy" - ah Crowley.

And there we go! EPISODE OVER!

To sum up: Loved the fact that it at least APPEARS that God answered Sam's prayer. Loved Billie too. The Darkness is definitely shaping up to be an interesting villain... hopefully she stays that way. Kinda pissed that they killed Hannah, but I'll get over it, I guess. What else? Nope, that's about it. Death is alive, I don't care what you say. I love the fact that there's an "empty" and yeah... okay, I think that's it.

Good episode.

Next week is the episode that Jensen directed, so that should be fun!

Comments

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borgmama1of5
Oct. 15th, 2015 09:40 am (UTC)
Interesting set-up/follow-through my friend noticed--last ep when Dean was pulling weapons from the trunk he threw in the holy oil and then Sam needed it this ep--well-done, show...

So Billy/Billie went to great pains to let us know that the next time one of the boys dies they can't come back...nice but in practical terms pointless attempt to get us to start worrying for the boys' mortality again...

Last ep the demons mentioned an awful noise came from the Cage and this ep Sam has Cage flashbacks...did you catch that during his 'research' scene there was a voice talking to him? My money is on Lucifer reconnecting to Sam somehow due to the devastating crisis looming. What if when the Mark was removed from Dean it was also taken from Lucifer, and he's going to become a good guy now?

The set-up for Sam's cure was really scary--it looked like he was going to set himself on fire, which might have cured the infection but wouldn't do a whole lot for his health...

'Feed me'--baby knows how to spell words already, smart kid...and yes, it was making me crazy too that nobody bothered to give the baby a bottle for the whole time the two episodes took--no wonder she was hungry, poor thing!

Again, nice detail on giving a very plausible explanation for Crowley showing up--he's set himself up as the go-to priest for exorcisms so he can keep tabs on his demons doing possessions...

When Dean didn't stab Crowley I had a flashback to the problem with kids' cartoons, where the good guy always beats the baddie but then sets him free with the admonishment to change his ways because in kiddie cartoons they don't ever eliminate the problem...

Evil little girl again...gee, where have we seen one of those before? Come on, show, could you make it a little boy just once? (I know, the Darkness appeared to Dean as a woman, but what's a little more gender-bending on this show, huh?)

How sad that at this point demons seem to be more moral than angels? At least demons are up front about being evil, unlike angels who are supposed to be the good guys...and did they have to kill Hannah? :(

How did Cas get in the bunker? Did the boys make a spare key for him?

So, where my mind went when Dean started getting all protective of the baby--what if this is a parallel set-up to the Dean-as-Michael/Sam-as-Lucifer threat of season 5? Sam, thinking he's getting visions from God, decides he has to destroy the Darkness, and Dean, because of being bound to her, is all about defending and trying to rehabilitate her? And wouldn't that be a reverse payoff to Sam's whole speech about trying to save everyone, even the 'unsavable?'

There was a LOT packed into this episode! Interesting how they used overlap of a character talking from one scene as a new scene with the other plotline was starting. I saw that as an attempt to smooth out the disconnectedness of having multiple storylines to intercut in only 42 minutes, which really jarred me last year in the first 2 episodes. It could be working, I didn't feel nearly as head-spinny jumping back and forth between Dean, Sam, and Cas as I did last year...(speaking of last year, did you ever get the season 10 dvds to do your rewatch?)

Lucky you, as the first post-ep review on my friends' feed, you get my random thoughts dump :) Going to go back to bed now, I just got up to pee and had to check to see if anyone posted anything yet :)
hells_half_acre
Oct. 16th, 2015 12:37 am (UTC)
Interesting set-up/follow-through my friend noticed--last ep when Dean was pulling weapons from the trunk he threw in the holy oil and then Sam needed it this ep--well-done, show...

Yup! noticed! Super cool!

next time one of the boys dies they can't come back...nice but in practical terms pointless attempt to get us to start worrying for the boys' mortality again...

Yeah, they're still the main characters of the show. THOUGH, this COULD be a way to make Winchester death permanent - ie: no after-life. So the show could have an atheistic ending where death is really the end. Sucks, because it's not the ending I want for the Winchesters, but it could be the rule they're trying to set up so they can do it.

did you catch that during his 'research' scene there was a voice talking to him? My money is on Lucifer reconnecting to Sam somehow due to the devastating crisis looming.

This is also a thought I had. Way back in S5, we learned that you can talk to angels THROUGH their abandoned vessels ears (Castiel summoned Raph this way) - so, part of me wonders if that connection lingers the other way too.

and yes, it was making me crazy too that nobody bothered to give the baby a bottle for the whole time the two episodes took--no wonder she was hungry, poor thing!

I'm glad I wasn't the only one sitting there going "OH MY GOD - HAVE YOU EVEN BOUGHT FORMULA?!"

Evil little girl again...gee, where have we seen one of those before? Come on, show, could you make it a little boy just once? (I know, the Darkness appeared to Dean as a woman, but what's a little more gender-bending on this show, huh?)

Good point/criticism. The only "evil" little boy they ever had on the show was Jesse, and he wasn't even really "evil" - and then changeling Ben for a split second. They really should change it up. Also, I highly doubt "The Darkness" actually has gender.

How did Cas get in the bunker? Did the boys make a spare key for him?

I'm beginning to think that the Bunker is only warded for demons/ghosts, because Gadreel could also just waltz right in back in S9, so obviously once an angel knows where it is, they can just return and seemingly walk in... maybe the boys hid a spare key outside.:P

So, where my mind went when Dean started getting all protective of the baby--what if this is a parallel set-up to the Dean-as-Michael/Sam-as-Lucifer threat of season 5? Sam, thinking he's getting visions from God, decides he has to destroy the Darkness, and Dean, because of being bound to her, is all about defending and trying to rehabilitate her? And wouldn't that be a reverse payoff to Sam's whole speech about trying to save everyone, even the 'unsavable?'

It's an interesting thought! I've definitely felt that the set-up is a little reminiscent of S5, so I wouldn't be surprised! We'll see!!

It could be working, I didn't feel nearly as head-spinny jumping back and forth between Dean, Sam, and Cas as I did last year...

I only felt head-spinny when I was typing up the review.

(speaking of last year, did you ever get the season 10 dvds to do your rewatch?)

Not yet. I'm seeing my sister this weekend, but I didn't remind her about the DVDs, so she may not have thought to buy them for me this year... and I don't want to MAKE her. But, I'll wait to purchase them myself until after I see her, just in case.

Anything you've said that I haven't addressed - it's because I agree with you completely!

missyjack
Oct. 15th, 2015 11:01 am (UTC)
WELL THAT WAS ACTION PACKED! Also youre right -
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WELL THAT WAS ACTION PACKED! Also youre right - <A href=""http://www.supernaturalwiki.com/index.php?title=Ephraim">we did meet another Ephraim</a>- but Cas killed him too!
hells_half_acre
Oct. 16th, 2015 12:39 am (UTC)
YES! I knew I wasn't crazy! He's not in the list of angel names on the angel page - but he definitely existed!

Maybe this Ephraim is spelt differently? Ifram? :P
thursdaysisters
Oct. 15th, 2015 02:24 pm (UTC)
I'm wondering about Sam's vision as well, like is he gonna have to break Somebody out of the Cage? We hope? :D
hells_half_acre
Oct. 16th, 2015 12:39 am (UTC)
I'm thinking it's a possibility!!!!
supernutjapan
Oct. 15th, 2015 03:40 pm (UTC)
Awesome ep! Enjoyed the review!
hells_half_acre
Oct. 16th, 2015 12:39 am (UTC)
Thanks!
shadowsong26
Oct. 15th, 2015 10:13 pm (UTC)
Agreed overall about the episode--fast-paced, some things to love, some to love less, still pretty decent/enjoying this season very much.

Y’know, when I saw Sam hitting up that hardware store, I thought he was building a bomb for some reason, like in Abandon All Hope…

Screening lab subjects! That was probly just to make sure the guy wasn’t too far gone, but still. I kinda enjoyed vaguely-mad-scientist!Sam…

(Side note: not sure how I feel about this season’s splash card yet…hoping it’ll grow on me.)

It made me happy that Teeny BAMF Sheriff with Pretty Eyes seemed to not be straight! Then she died and I was sad…whatever representation issues there might be there aside (and, yeah, probably best to avoid that argument), I liked her and didn’t want her to go.

I think the pills were packaged that way b/c they’re for a hospital pharmacy? Which, IIRC, would be individual doses, rather than a multi-day supply like a prescription you’d take home. But, yeah, I thought it was a wet wipe at first, too…

Those two angels were definitely douchenozzles. I think the off-the-rails healing angel from S9 was also Ephraim? Not sure.

The other thing about this episode is it kinda gave me mood whiplash? Like, there were so many heartwrenching moments, and then there’s the baby blocks and I was cracking up because it felt over-the-top to me…IDK.

Agreed about the ‘ghostbusters’ joke!

I think stabbing with an angel blade kills if the wound would be fatal to a regular human with an regular knife? So, like, stabbing an angel in the heart kills them, but the shoulder might not, and if you’re careful where you aim, you might manage a non-fatal stabbing elsewhere? Granted, most of those stab wounds looked fatal anyway…I like your theory, too.

Billie was AWESOME. And, yeah, Death is probably letting them believe he’s gone ‘cause he’s 9000% done with the Winchesters and their shenanigans at this point.

I really, really, really want to know more about the Empty. Like, is that where angels go when they die? So much potential cool worldbuilding…I kinda want to finish that sentence with ‘when one of the boys inevitably ends up there.’

Hannah was adorable! And you’re right about boy!vessel!Hannah’s giant Bambi eyes.

Sam’s prayer made me want to cry.

And then another mood-whiplash moment because after everything he’s been through (especially if that was a Cage flashback, which would not surprise me), his reaction is not ‘oh crap am I going to start actively hallucinating again’ or ‘shit not this again dying of sleep deprivation is the worst’ or even just ‘why does my life suck so hard,’ it’s ‘DAMMIT GOD THAT WAS NOT HELPFUL WHAT DOES THAT MEAN WHAT THE HELL AM I SUPPOSED TO DO WITH THAT PLZ TO SEND CLEARER INSTRUCTIONS NEXT TIME.’

Though you do have a point that there could be a sinister source there…

Loved Dean’s reaction to ‘Father Crowley.’

And, yeah, going to hell for laughing at Crowley’s creepy joke right along with you…

Cas and Hannah also made me want to cry.

I think Ephraim and Jonah went the ‘still torture’ route because they hate Cas and want to see him suffer. Even if it’s counter-productive. Because they are douchenozzles.

I thought the Darkness was body-hopping at first, too.

The Naomi reference pleased me! Partly because continuity and partly because I really liked Naomi.

100% agreed with your reaction to Hannah’s death. :(

I’m kinda with you, in that Crowley really made the best call possible re: Soulless!Teeny BAMF Sheriff with Pretty Eyes.

Also on leaving Crowley alive there sorta stretching suspension of disbelief to the absolute limit…

Oh, boys. You and your secrets and lies…but this is an improvement at least! Baby steps…

Though, actually, if Sam’s vision was really Cage flashbacks, it sort of puts a different spin on things? Like, going back to his reaction, it’s a ‘those are pretty clear instructions, I’m just in denial’ sort of thing, and for this moment at the end when he sort of nervously sidesteps the question about visions, it’s a different sort of denial/defense mechanism ‘I’m not going crazy again I swear.’ Or something. I’d have to rewatch to be sure if that’s what’s going on, but it’s a thought…

Pretty much agreed on your summation. And looking forward to next week, yay!
hells_half_acre
Oct. 16th, 2015 12:49 am (UTC)
I'm also kind of not sure about this season's splash card, it's sort of a throw-back to the simpler early seasons, but, we've gotten so used the more elaborate ones that we've had since S4.

I think the pills were packaged that way b/c they’re for a hospital pharmacy? Which, IIRC, would be individual doses, rather than a multi-day supply like a prescription you’d take home. But, yeah, I thought it was a wet wipe at first, too…

This was my RL friend's thought too, so you're probably right. I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought it was a wet-wipe.

I think the off-the-rails healing angel from S9 was also Ephraim? Not sure.

Yes, he was! You are correct. Confirmed by missyjack above - Ephraim is a name they've used before.

I think stabbing with an angel blade kills if the wound would be fatal to a regular human with an regular knife? So, like, stabbing an angel in the heart kills them, but the shoulder might not, and if you’re careful where you aim, you might manage a non-fatal stabbing elsewhere? Granted, most of those stab wounds looked fatal anyway…I like your theory, too.

Yeah, I guess it could have been "movie anatomy" where unless you stab in the heart or the head, the person doesn't die. In real life, if Cas got stabbed where they stabbed him, he'd have collapsed lung/bleed out, and a punctured stomach/intestine, which would cause him to bleed out and/or go septic and die.

I really, really, really want to know more about the Empty. Like, is that where angels go when they die? So much potential cool worldbuilding…I kinda want to finish that sentence with ‘when one of the boys inevitably ends up there.’

That is indeed my theory - that everything killed by the angel blades/colt/demon knife/etc, ends up in "the empty" ie: where God/Death hath no dominion.

Hannah was adorable! And you’re right about boy!vessel!Hannah’s giant Bambi eyes.

Oh man, he like hit all my points when it comes to attraction... I tend to be attracted to more "feminine" guys, and yeah... I loved male-vessel!Hannah. :(

his reaction is not ‘oh crap am I going to start actively hallucinating again’ or ‘shit not this again dying of sleep deprivation is the worst’ or even just ‘why does my life suck so hard,’ it’s ‘DAMMIT GOD THAT WAS NOT HELPFUL WHAT DOES THAT MEAN WHAT THE HELL AM I SUPPOSED TO DO WITH THAT PLZ TO SEND CLEARER INSTRUCTIONS NEXT TIME.’

YES EXACTLY! Oh man, I love him so much.

Also on leaving Crowley alive there sorta stretching suspension of disbelief to the absolute limit…

Agreeeeeed

Though, actually, if Sam’s vision was really Cage flashbacks, it sort of puts a different spin on things? Like, going back to his reaction, it’s a ‘those are pretty clear instructions, I’m just in denial’ sort of thing, and for this moment at the end when he sort of nervously sidesteps the question about visions, it’s a different sort of denial/defense mechanism ‘I’m not going crazy again I swear.’ Or something. I’d have to rewatch to be sure if that’s what’s going on, but it’s a thought…

Good thought! It'll be interesting to see how it develops. I'm looking forward to it. I actually really loved vision!Sam back in S1-2 and was sad when that stopped. And the fact that he now as horrible experience of hallucinating makes the return of visions all the more interesting for the character.

Anything I haven't addressed in your comment, it's because I agree completely!


khek
Oct. 16th, 2015 03:44 am (UTC)
I wanted to make a long reply, but it's almost midnight now, and I have to be up early tomorrow. So...

:)

I love your summary, as always. Thanks for the confirmation about the movie being Night of the Hunter. I recognized Robert Mitchum's voice (too many westerns as a child!) but didn't get the movie. Kind of appropriate, eh?

I still think that they're going to bring Adam back with Lucifer...mostly because they made such a point of the boys forgetting he was down there in the 200th episode. I do wonder if they'll find that maybe more Winchesters are in there keeping Lucifer and Michael company. ..

Ack. Bed. Must. Go.

:)
hells_half_acre
Oct. 16th, 2015 04:37 am (UTC)
Hahaha, I'm just picturing Lucifer with a collection of Winchesters like their funkopop figures.

I do think you're right though - that they are building up to addressing the cage again.

I'm glad you like the review! Have a good sleep! :)
pushistyj_koshk
Oct. 18th, 2015 05:41 pm (UTC)
Re: Some stuff I loved, some stuff I didn't... but overall, still shaping up to be a good season!

Yeah, but... I don't even know why I keep torturing myself rewatching older episodes - the new ones are nowhere close to that epicness. Sigh.


Re: though I still maintain that killing Death is impossible and that Death has merely decided that he doen't want to be involved in shenanigans anymore, and has told all his reapers to keep up the ruse

Or he's like God and didn't even tell anyone where he was going.


Re: Billy and Sam should be friends. I have decided.

Frenemies. Dean does have Crowley. And Sam has literally no friends of his own.


Re: ...only Hannah gets killed

Maaaan, I loved the new Hannah. Much more than the old one. I like you, Lee Majdoub - you are awesome.

Also what made me mad at the writers during the whole torture is the part when the angels threatened to start cutting bits off. Angel's aren't supposed to care about man parts (or lady parts). How is cutting off Cas's manhood (and I use that term loosely, although there was April the reaper) going to motivate Cas to cooperate more effectively than cutting off literally ANY OTHER PART?


Re: So, the Darkness eats soulless apparently

And that is so awesome! It's not more awesome than Famine eating souls but still so awesome!


Re: We also discover that when she DOES eat a soul, she can age rapidly. So, now we're dealing with another creepy kid sized enemy

What not lo love about creepy kids? We haven't had those in a long while. I guarantee she's going to be a teen by next episode though.

Oh, that reminds me. When I saw the promotional stills before the season started, for a second there I thought that Darkness is portrayed by Jennifer Love Hewitt and I was so glad that she wasn't, be use that would be laaaaame. I am greatly disturbed by her cleavage though - it goes on and on and on.


UPD: Also, every time someone on the Supernatural says "This is madness!", I want to answer "No, this is SPARTAAA!"



Edited at 2015-10-18 06:01 pm (UTC)
hells_half_acre
Oct. 19th, 2015 06:56 am (UTC)
Yeah, but... I don't even know why I keep torturing myself rewatching older episodes - the new ones are nowhere close to that epicness. Sigh.

It's true, but I still like Supernatural better than 90% of what TV has to offer.

Or he's like God and didn't even tell anyone where he was going.

Always a possibility.

Frenemies. Dean does have Crowley. And Sam has literally no friends of his own.

Exactly. It drives me nuts. Though, i also like it in a sort of tragic poetic way - since Sam was the one with friends in S1 and Dean was like "you can't have friends in this life..."

Also what made me mad at the writers during the whole torture is the part when the angels threatened to start cutting bits off. Angel's aren't supposed to care about man parts (or lady parts). How is cutting off Cas's manhood (and I use that term loosely, although there was April the reaper) going to motivate Cas to cooperate more effectively than cutting off literally ANY OTHER PART?

I saw it as more of a pain thing - where would cutting inflict the most amount of pain? I mean, I know that the dick is largely symbolically tied with masculinity, manhood, virility, sexuality, power, usefulness, strength, etc... but if we take the symbology out of the equation and you were asked the question "Where would you attack someone in male body if you wanted to inflict the most amount of pain?" Well, I mean, MY answer would be the dick.

It's either that or the writers are trying to establish Castiel as a more sexual creature so that they can end-game a romance or make him human again or something... that's more the destiel end of interpretation though.

What not lo love about creepy kids? We haven't had those in a long while. I guarantee she's going to be a teen by next episode though.

Yes, if she ages that quickly, she's not going to stay a kid for long - and besides child!Lilith (3 episodes, 2 with same actress), I don't think any of the creepy kids of the past have been recurring characters.

I am greatly disturbed by her cleavage though - it goes on and on and on.

Oh man, me too! I didn't want to say anything, because that sort of cleavage seems to be in fashion these days...or something... who knows, all I know is that I don't like it. But that's personal taste, so, *shrug*.

Also, LOL at Spartaaa!
pushistyj_koshk
Oct. 24th, 2015 03:39 pm (UTC)
Ooh! I didn't have time to read your Quick Reaction post for 11x03 but I just remembered something.

Why the hell is a douche-angel bitching about a vessel with psoriasis? Can't he heal it? Doesn't make sense.
hells_half_acre
Oct. 24th, 2015 05:56 pm (UTC)
good point! That doesn't make any sense.
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