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Quick Reaction: 10x23 Brother's Keeper

Wow, so... neato.

So, FYI on tonight - 1)I haven't been drinking. 2)I've still only watched the episode once, so I might remember things in the wrong order and quotes aren't meant to be exact.

Okay, let's just dive right in...

Starting with the acapella version of Carry On... was really cool. It definitely touched different feels (that sounds dirty) than the usual Carry On... but I still loved it. It was more a "holy crap, it's been ten years!" feeling (though, in fairness, it's only been 7 years for me - I binge watched S1-3 in '08).

Okay, so... where do we actually start? With Sam? With Dean? With Sam...

We start with Sam in that room behind the glass wall. I really like that room. They should use it for more stuff than a single ominous table on which to make munitions. That being said, I really loved seeing Sam make munitions - that qualifies as a domestic scene to me, and I LOVE domestic scenes. At first, I was wondering why he had Dean's photos on the table while he did it, and then they come up later and my heart breaks... because I realize that's Sam's "prepare for battle" table, and he was bringing the bullets to coerce Rowena, and the photos to break through to the part of Dean that knows love. Those were Sam's weapons, bullets and love... and I love that boy, even though I'm inclined to agree with Dean later about them being pretty damn selfish when it comes to living... but we'll get to that.

Case comes in and he's all healed up. I'm not going to lie - I DID kinda of want a scene where Sam comes back to the bunker and finds it in shambles and Cas bloody on the floor... just because that would be a particularly beautiful devastation. However, it wouldn't make much sense, since Cas can heal, so probably as soon as he managed get over the shock of the beating, he was like "poof! better!" and then Sam walked in and was like "why's there blood all over your shirt? What's with all these dead people? Why does it smell like kerosine in here?" And Cas was like "OMG EVERYTHING IS HORRIBLE ALL THE TIME!"

Uh, sorry, I just digressed into writing fanfic there.

Anywayyyyyyyyy....

Cas is all like "this is a bad idea" and Sam is all like "this is my ONLY idea." And Cas is like "but consequences!" and Sam is like "if I don't kow exactly what they are, then I don't give a fuck!"

(And I just realized I forgot to respond to a comment on last week's quick reaction... I'll be right back.)
(And I'm back - holy crow, I missed THREE comments. What the heck, me?!)

So, Cas is like "Well, I guess I can't argue with that logic, so I will go along with your plans, but I will look upset about it the whole time."

Seriously though, Sam and Cas are both between a rock and a hard place here. They want nothing more than to save Dean, and they can't justify NOT saving him without knowing what that means. "Justify" is that wrong word there. They really don't have a choice... they either watch Dean murder the world... or they do dark magic and hope the consequences aren't that bad. Now, later, Sam's presented with another solution - and there's a whole other reason why he doesn't take it, but I'll get into that when the time comes...

Dean, meanwhile, is passed out in a hotel room (on the carpet no less... how often do you think carpets are cleaned in cheap motels? I am going with "never"...ugh). He wakes up and drinks more beer... it dribbles out of the corner of his mouth... fun fact, that is similar to how I drink my water when I do hot yoga. :P (and yes, it is mandatory for all vancouver residents to do yoga of some kind. They remind us in our "Vancouver - home of the urban Canadian hippie and what it means for you" welcome booklet.)

Dean decides that he's good - spoiler, he is not - and he goes out on a vampire hunt.

So, apparently, when Dean is under the influence of the MoC, he becomes an asshole slut-shamer. Ugh, definitely not our Dean... though, later, he is also kind of NOT slut-shamey in a way... so, it's a weird mix... a slightly empathetic asshole.

The Sheriff is like "YOU ARE MESSED UP!" and Dean is like "yup."

Then we find out that Dean was called onto the hunt by Rudy (Rudi?... will go with Rudy, I guess). At first, I thought Dean said "Ritchie" and I was like "Ritchie died in S3, Dean." But nope, Rudy... who HAS been on the other end of phone conversations... and also has like IMPOSSIBLE BLUE EYES. I mean, GEEZ!

We know this isn't going to go well. And sure enough, it doesn't. Dean tells Rudy to walk away - which was probably Dean trying to save him, but once again failing... then Dean goes to visit the dead girl's parents - where he figures out that the father is an abusive asshole, so Dean takes back the slut comment, because he knows where the girl is coming from...so, yay? I don't know man, Dean is such a weird breed of asshole under the MoC. It's really similar to the start of the season when he was a demon and it was hard to tell if he was really evil or if he was just playing at evil. And I guess this is a whole point, because we actually do get the debate later of whether or not Dean should be considered evil. Dean says "yea" Sam says "nay"... but we'll get to that.

Back with Sam, we find out the details of the spell - they need 1)Quince... or, well, the fruit of the tree - or the "apple" (which is actually, legitimately a translation error), and 2)a piece of the golden calf from Exodus, and 3)something the spell caster loves. Rowena claims she doesn't love anything, and Cas is like "please, everyone loves something" and mind reads her, and immediately is like "yup, you love a little polish boy named Oscar, sucks to you!"

Anyway, Rudy calls Sam and is like "Your brother is off the rails" and Sam is like "yeah, dude, where is he?" And yeah, episode title, because Sam and Dean really are their brother's keeper.

Sam gives Cas Dean's hair.... because, um, that's something that Sam just has on him. I mean, it makes sense, Sam and Dean do a LOT of spells and probably cut their own hair too. Or could you imagine them in the barbershop? "Yeah, don't sweep, I'm taking it." "What? Sir?" "Yeah, you think I'm going to let you have my hair? NO THANKS, BUDDY! It's going in the vault - only me and my brother are allowed to personalized spells. I'm no fool." *barber backs away slowly*

Cas is under orders to complete the spell, well Sam goes off to wrangle Dean. Cas is like "UGH, FINE" because that is Cas' lot in life when it comes to the Winchesters.

Meanwhile, in somewhere else - Dean finds the vampire nest and goes to town - only Rudy has found it first and is a hostage. And yeah... much like Soulless Sam, hostages have very little effect on Dean. I did wonder though, if Dean had been right, and if Rudy had just stopped panicking, if he could have simply walked away from that vampire. As it was, it was really only Dean purposefully startling the vampire that caused him to kill Rudy. I wonder if Dean had hoped that the vamp would be starteled into DROPPING the knife, rather than using it....we'll never know.

Rudy ends up dead and the girl ends up even more traumatized than she would have been, because her white knight is a pyschopath.

Sam goes to check it out and is all like "crap."

Meanwhile, Cas summons Crowley. I loved their conversation where Crowley is like "who summons anymore? You could just call me!" and Cas is like "You're not in my contacts" ... and it's really hilarious, because Cas is using A DARK SUMMONING  because he doesn't have Crowley's phone number. It's just... it makes me laugh.

Anyway, Cas is like "help us with this!" and Crowley is like "No! Sam hurt my feelings." And Cas is like "Of course he did, you idiot." And Crowley is like "No, you have to beg me to help and then I'll help." And so Cas gives a really half-hearted attempt at begging, and Crowley agrees... and, I'm not sure what to make of this with last week's episode, where Crowley was all like "I AM PURE EVIL AGAIN RAR!" and now he is like "Yeah, okay, I'll be helpful." I kept waiting for him to double-cross, or have an ace up his sleeve, or have some ulterior motive for helping... but, seemingly no?

Oh man, right, so then Dean has hallucinations in the mirror and completely trashes his motel room... and yikes. I'm looking forward to these gifs being added to the "Dean hates lamps" gif-set on tumblr.

Sam is scooping out the town and sees the Impala, and reverses on the road without looking behind him... but that's okay, it's nighttime, so he would have noticed the headlights if there was a car behind him. He sees the motel room devastation, but Dean has already left, leaving Sam the keys to Impala and a "she's all yours" note.

Dean, meanwhile, has gone to an abandoned mexican restaurant that is appropriately Day of the Dead themed, and he summons Death. I mean, I KNEW he was summoning death beforehand, but even still, I think I would have recognized the ingrediants in the summoning, and I'm not sure if I should be proud or disturbed by that. :P

Anyway, YAY DEATH! I love Death.

Death shows up and DEAN HAS MADE HIM SNACKS. I repeat Dean MADE THE SNACKS HIMSELF. He made Mexican snacks, HIMSELF. Oh my heart... FYI: This also counts as domestic Winchesters. Like, Death and Dean have a tradition of "the best *snack* in America" whenever they meet up, but this time DEAN MADE IT HIMSELF. And Death tastes it and is like "Yes, this is good." AND I LOVE THEM BOTH.

Then Dean is like "kill me please" because it MAKES SENSE... Death can reap God, he should be able to reap Dean without him turning into a demon. But Death is like, "no, because I actually know how the universe works..."

And this is the great thing about Death. He's actually the only functioning God of Supernatural. Death knows how the universe was put together, Death knows pretty much everything... I mean, there's no proof here that he is omnescient (and we'll get to THE EVENT in a minute) but there's no proof that he's not either. He doesn't seem surprised by anything, that's for sure. That being said, I don't think he has the power to do much besides reap and know stuff. Obviously, he can also take Dean somewhere far away, so, fine, teleportation... but that seems to be it.

One of the reasons I've loved SPN, is because I really see it as operating in a dualistic universe - where God and Death are equal in power, but opposite in ability. God creates. Death kills. And I love the fact that SPN specifically places current events in a world that God has (for the most part) abandoned, but therefore Death becomes the only God there is.

I'm getting way ahead of myself though...

Death explains to Dean that like the seals on Lucifer's cage, the Mark of Cain is actually a lock - it's the cage for "The Darkness" that which was before God created the universe. God first defeated the "Darkness" and locked it away, and gave the cage and it's lock to Lucifer, who was then corrupted, and passed it on to Cain...and Cain passed it to Dean (though, he still had it himself, so I guess there were two cages...which might serve to explain why Dean's decline was more rapid after Cain's death - in that it might not have just been for "lost hope" psychological reasons. It might have been because he only had half the darkness as long as Cain was around.

If Dean gets rid of the MoC, then he gets rid of both the lock and the cage, and the Darkness is set free upon the earth. Dean has two options 1)pass on the MoC, and then Death will reap him (which was Cain's solution) or 2)allow Death to take him far far away... his own planet? Petit Prince style?! where he can never hurt anyone ever again, but he also has to live forever alone.

It sucks, but that's the option Dean chooses...only, there's a catch, of COURSE there's a catch.

Dean calls Sam, and I really did think it was the "suicide note" call - or, in Dean's case the "I'm never going to see you again" call... and I think Sam thought so too. But nope, Dean tells him where he is....

Meanwhile, back at the ranch... we find out why Crowley was chatting up that waiter last episode. And it's not for the sexy reasons that I was hoping... nope, Crowley had also found out Rowena's secret, curtesy of the The-Hamster-Witch (I can't remember her name)... Seth, the cute waiter boy, is actually an immortal Oscar, the polish boy.

Crowley gives us a speech about how he has mother issues... and how he had taken solace in the fact that his mother wasn't capable of love, so it wasn't just HIM... but, now he's back at square one, because apparently she CAN love.

That being said, she obviously doesn't love as hard as Sam and Dean love, because in the end, she kills Oscar in exchange for freedom and power. And I love Crowley pointing that out to her when she calls him evil - that all Crowley did was find Oscar and bring him to her, it's still up to her whether or not she kills him. It's HER that has to decide whether to take the good or the evil path... and she totally takes the evil path. I don't know if that will help or hinder Crowley in his psychotherapy, who knows.

I was actually talking to a friend of mine the other day about how Supernatural, fundamentally, is about toxic masculinity and the tragedy that life becomes in the absence of the feminine... so, I find it really cool that in a show of daddy-issues, they're now adding mommy-issues... in that, the absense of a maternal figure can also occur when you have a particularly shitty mother, so it's not just a problem for people raised by army-veteran single dads.

Off topic, again, I'm sorry...

Let's go back to Sam and Dean, because this is where things get interesting. Death won't take Dean away, unless Dean kills Sam... and while Death does say that he's offended about Sam standing him up last time (which, totally not Sam's fault), the REAL reason Death tells Dean to kill Sam is because he knows that Sam WON'T STOP. As long as Sam and/or Dean are alive, they will not allow themselves to be separated from their brother.

At this rate, the healthiest the relationship has ever been was that brief moment in S5, when Dean WAS willing to let Sam go - at least, for a time. (I swear it was in the show, that Dean admitted he had still been researching ways to save Sam - but it's been a while, and I don't want to be accidentally confusing fanfic with canon. I've also seen interpretations of S6 Dean that claimed he looked happy with Lisa and Ben, but I beg to differ - I think Dean lasted a good year, but wasn't going to last much longer, whether or not he had already given in.)

Death is kind of brilliant here - because on the one hand, Cain told Dean that the MoC wouldn't be satisfied until Dean had killed his brother...so, is Death also helping to satisfy the bloodlust a little? Another option, and the one I'm leaning towards - is that Death knows exactly how this is going to go...because he just asked Dean to do the one thing that Dean has NEVER been able to do. (Dean LET Sam die in S5, but he didn't kill him himself, and that's an important distinction.) The closest Dean came to killing Sam was when he was a demon (and that hammer to the head probably would have killed him - though, sidenote: there's a local comedian in Vancouver who survived a hammer to the head, though they lost an eye.)

But, we'll get to that... first, we get Sam and Dean arguing about whether they are a good or evil. It's an interesting debate. I think it's been one that Carver has been exploring since S8... at what point do the Winchesters become so selfish that they destroy the world rather than save it? At one point does the cost of keeping that ONE thing in their lives (each other) mean that they cross the line into being something that the world would be better off without? It's a hard question to answer, because on the one hand, you could look at everything they've done and the horrible consequences it has had... on the other hand, you could look at the fact that they are the two best hunters in the world and really the best equipped to deal with ANY and ALL evil. The whole apocalypse thing wasn't their fault, that was Heaven and Hell, S6-7 wasn't their fault either, that was on Cas... but since then, things HAVE been their fault - hell still being open, Metatron being brought back into the game and taking advantage (that one is arguable, I suppose), and now finally what happens at the end of this episode. As Sam yelled about all last season, what's the price of them being alive and is it worth it?

And that's basically where Dean is now - but, in true Winchester fashion, if one Winchester flips, the other will flip too - so, now Dean is wondering what the cost is and whether it's worth it, and Sam is arguing that no cost is too great and it IS worth it.

And Sam is arguing that having heard that HIS plan - the spell - will most likely unlease "the Darkness" - which doesn't sound good. But, he doesn't call Cas to tell him to stop - and that's an important note. I mean, yes, Sam is a LITTLE busy trying to talk Dean out of kiling him and going someplace else. But, at the same time, Sam knows Dean, and he knows that an eternity alone in outerspace will be the worst kind of hell for Dean, who is a loving social person, and NEEDS people. This is basically Dean saying "Let me go to hell"... and well, I mean, Sam punches him for it... but in the end, he tells Dean he understands and that he'll sit there and let Dean kill him... but Sam makes sure that Dean knows that Dean is and always will be fundamentally GOOD and that when he's in his own personal solitary hell, he should take his family photos, so that he can remember what love is... and geeeeeeeeez, these boys.

Basically, even when Sam gives him permission to kill him and disappear with Death, he is STILL trying to save Dean in any way he can.

And of course it works, because there's his little brother (actually little, because Sam is kneeling on the floor and looking up at him) with watery puppy dog eyes.... and Sam's basically just sitting there waiting for Dean to kill him while LOVING him the whole time. And I think Dean tells him to close his eyes, just because he can't possibly kill him when he looks like that, because Dean IS fundamentally good.

So, Dean swings the scythe around and kills Death instead.

But, um, YOU CAN'T KILL DEATH! Come ON, Show! I really don't think Death is dead... because, that just doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever, metaphyiscally speaking. Death is more immortal than God in SPN. Death will REAP God, so therefore Death is at the very least, 1 millisecond more immortal than God.  So, in my mind, Death isn't dead - he knew Dean was going to do that. Death was making a point, giving them an option that he knew wouldn't work out. And now that they think he's dead, they're going to stop bugging him so damn often. I mean, really, if Death wanted to kill Sam so that Sam wouldn't muck up his solution to the MoC problem, then Death should and would have reaped Sam himself rather than ask Dean to do it (Honestly - asking Dean to kill Sam is basically guaranteeing Sam's continued life.)

Now, that all being said, as an atheist, I LOVE the idea of a godless universe... and like I talked about early, Death was SPN's only God-equivalent. (Uh, just to specificy- I'm talking only about the theology in SPN, I am not talking about any IRL religions or dieties or how they work. So, if this doesn't sound like Judeo-Christian mythology as you know it, that's because it isn't and I don't mean for it to be in the slightest.)

And it's interesting that well, God, despite maybe coming to a high school play, is absent of his own accord - Sam and Dean just "killed" the last remaining God-like being AND unleashed the thing that existed BEFORE God... so they are basically pushing the wheel full circle....

(Again, when I say "God-like" or "God-equivalent" I'm talking about Captial G God, and not pagan gods, which we've seen in SPN to have less power than an archangel, so they are NOT Captial G God-equivalents or God-like.)

Oh my god, Alix, what the hell is "quick" about this reaction?! I should rename these to "Long Steam of Consciousness Essays on an Episode I've Only Seen Once And Barely Had Time to Process." "LSoCEoaEIOSOABHTtP" for short.

So, Dean has chosen life on earth, and to keep fighting, YAY! And Sam is happy. Meanwhile, Rowena has chosen her own freedom and power and killed Oscar and said the spell...

Dean is hit by a lightening bolt that gets rid of the MoC. YAY! Only, then, it unleashes "The Darkness" and uh, wow... it looks like a heck of a lot of "Darkness." It's very S2 ending, where an demon army is unleashed, because Dean wouldn't let Sam die... only, appropriately, it's leveled up to match Sam and Dean's currrent skill level - since they could probably take a demon army in their sleep these days.

Meanwhile, back at the Distillery, Rowena shows us that she's been able to escape the whole time - and therefore, she's simply been in it for the power the whole time - and the chance to kill Crowley. Though, there must have been some satisfaction in doing the spell, because if she could have escaped the whole time, then she didn't really need to do the spell.... so, that's a thinking point for later.

Anyway, she freezes Castiel and Crowley and then puts the rabid beast spell on Cas - OH NOES! And sics him on Crowley... OH NOES?

And then she waltzes out with the book of the damned AND the codex, both of which she can read now.

Meanwhile, the Darkness is intimidating and Baby is stuck in a pothole.

And we don't get to see the resolution to either of these scenes...
Will Crowley make it? Will Cas? Will Sam and Dean? What's the Darkness?

My prediction is that, like S3, the Darkness will spread out into the world and the Winchesters will be like "what's it doing? How come there hasn't been anything on the news yet?" OR, maybe it will be like S7 and the Leviathan in the water...and we'll get to see right away how "the Darkness" operates. It's gotta take human-form? No? Everything in SPN takes human form. Hopefully it's done better than the Leviathan, which fell pretty flat for me. S3 is hard to judge, because it got pretty altered with the Writer's strike and the budgetary limits of the day (it seems they can do more these days with less.)

I'm glad the MoC storyline is wrapped. It was definitely cool to explore the darker aspects of Dean, but I really did miss regular Dean.

At the very least, it looks like Sam and Dean might be on the same page for the first time since S7. Which would be REALLY NICE. But of course, that's what we all thought when they got married at the end of S8 - and then S9 happened everything was horrible about their relationship.

We also have some other variables in the wind - What's up with Bobby in Heaven? Where is Metatron with the demon tablet? What's Cas' future going to be like now that he's rebelled (again) from Heaven and seemingly can't go back? Will the angels ever be restored or is them at half-power the new forever-reality? If Sam and Dean have pushed the wheel full circled and unleashed the beings from before creation, then who becomes God when the wheel turns again? (Anyone who has read my blog for years, knows MY preferred answer to that.)

It's definitely going to be a long summer!

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hells_half_acre
May. 22nd, 2015 05:43 am (UTC)
Thanks!

Re: the passing of the Mark like a beer bottle, I was never clear on whether Cain still had the Mark after giving it to Dean or was just suffering the psych consequences, but it made me wonder: Wouldn't that mean Lucifer still has the mark too?

Oh! Good point about Lucifer. Apparently, according to the show at least - he doesn't. Since if he still had the Mark, then the Darkness would still be locked away. Death would only get rid of the Mark on Dean if he passed it on, so maybe Death made a similar deal with Lucifer back in the day and removed the Mark from Lucifer after Lucifer passed it to Cain.

I take your headcanon re: Death setting it up so they'd think he's gone. IT'S THE ONLY THING THAT MAKES SENSE. Death was the only character I thought was safe! GRRRRRRRRR.

My thoughts exactly. And it makes me think back to my prophetic words some months ago, when someone mentioned Death returning and I said something along the lines of "I'd actually prefer if Carver didn't write anything for Death, because he already screwed up the Reapers and I don't want to think about the ways he could get Death wrong too." Ugh.

Anyway, you can't kill Death. And as a friend of mine pointed out this morning, if Death were dead, then Oscar wouldn't have died and the spell wouldn't have worked. So, therefore, Death is still alive. (It might just be similar to Famine, Pestilence, and War - who were "defeated" but not killed.)
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hells_half_acre
May. 22nd, 2015 05:59 am (UTC)
Yeah, that's a better laid out version of how I think of Death too.

I also agree about Julian Richlings, I really can't see anyone coming close to playing Death like he can. So, either Death just doesn't come back (and we assume he is actually still alive somewhere) or Julian comes back as Death - I will accept no alternatives!
liliaeth
May. 21st, 2015 10:56 am (UTC)
I have to say that my one major issue with this ep was the use of some never previously seen hunter to show that Dean's gone over the edge. this might just be me,but I think his death would have had a lot more impact if they'd used Cole. Since they have been building up his character especially after the way that Dean managed to save him last time.

Edited at 2015-05-21 10:59 am (UTC)
hells_half_acre
May. 22nd, 2015 05:47 am (UTC)
I agree and slightly disagree too. Yes, it would have been better if we had at least seen Rudy before, rather than just having him be a voice on the phone - it'd have been cool if there were more emotional ties there with the boys, rather than "random hapless hunter"... but, if it had been Cole, that would have been TOO emotional a death to be crammed into an episode with so much else going on. It would have overloaded things.

What we needed was a better introduction to Rudy, I think - something like we had back in Metamorphosis, where we're told the history - that Sam and Dean have known this hunter since they were kids, that this hunter was a friend of their father's... something like that.
missyjack
May. 21st, 2015 11:55 am (UTC)
and now Sam and Dean are as gods.

such an epic ending and cliffhanger. Loved the drone footage at the end.

need to watch it more times to get my head round all of it.
hells_half_acre
May. 22nd, 2015 05:49 am (UTC)
and now Sam and Dean are as gods.

YES! It is all I've ever wanted.

Loved the drone footage at the end.

Me too! It was so well done.
borgmama1of5
May. 21st, 2015 02:04 pm (UTC)
Still processing...

Death really dead or was that a fakeout?

Scene between Dean and Sam was heartbreaking!!! As well as scene between Dean and Death!

Darkness explosion is reverse of angels falling...how the heck are they going to fight black smoke next season?

I am not nearly as anxious about the hiatus as in other years, at least they are together and relatively intact...
hells_half_acre
May. 22nd, 2015 05:55 am (UTC)
Death really dead or was that a fakeout?

I think we were told back in S5 that the horsemen are immortal, weren't we?

Anyway... in my opinion, you can't kill Death, so it was either a fakeout, or Death is temperarily defeated (like is alluded to with the other horsemen - famine wasn't killed, just defeated and weakened, etc.)

Oscar still died after or the spell wouldn't have worked, so people are still dying - which to me means that Death is still alive.

Darkness explosion is reverse of angels falling...how the heck are they going to fight black smoke next season?

This is why I think they're going to go traditional-SPN and have the "Darkness" possess people and/or take human form.

I am not nearly as anxious about the hiatus as in other years, at least they are together and relatively intact...

Same. :)
pushistyj_koshk
May. 21st, 2015 08:48 pm (UTC)
Well, I for one am pleasantly surprised and looking forward to season 11. And does it remind you of season 4 ending? Definitely a long summer ahead :)

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Re: Dean, meanwhile, is passed out in a hotel room [...] He wakes up and drinks more beer...

I have an issue with this - I only saw beer bottles in the room. So unless Dean shoved a liquor bottle up someone's ass got rid of a liquor bottle somehow or was mostly drinking at a bar, I don't see how he could have achieved the state of "passed out on the carpet in a hotel room" just drinking beer. I wouldn't be able to get that drunk on beer! Granted, I don't own a dingy rug or any kind of rug for that matter, but still.

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Re: Then we find out that Dean was called onto the hunt by Rudy

I was wondering when they would bring Rudy in - he was mentioned an awful lot lately. Too bad he did'n last long, but it's not like I needed Rudy as a recurring character.

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Re: Sam gives Cas Dean's hair....

Is it just me or was that hair terribly long for being Dean's?

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Re: "Yeah, don't sweep, I'm taking it." "What? Sir?" "Yeah, you think I'm going to let you have my hair? NO THANKS, BUDDY!"

Every time I have my hair cut I'm a bit apprehensive that someone will make a voodoo doll out of it. Maybe someone has. I haven't been feeling right...

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Re: Rudy ends up dead and the girl ends up even more traumatized than she would have been, because her white knight is a psychopath.

Mneh... She'll be fine - Claire got over it :)

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Re: I loved their conversation where Crowley is like "who summons anymore? You could just call me!" and Cas is like "You're not in my contacts"

That was the only joke of the episode, right? Made me chuckle - mission accomplished :)

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Re: Oh man, right, so then Dean has hallucinations in the mirror

Yes, lots of awesome camera angles this season. Involving Dean mostly.

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Re: Seth, the cute waiter boy, is actually an immortal Oscar, the polish boy.

I liked Seth. He travelled a lot and roasted his own coffee.

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Re: [...]there's his little brother (actually little, because Sam is kneeling on the floor and looking up at him) with watery puppy dog eyes.... and Sam's basically just sitting there waiting for Dean to kill him while LOVING him the whole time.

Now THAT reminds me of season 5 finale. Just like the fight with Cas last episode reminded me of whatever episode of whatever season.

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Re: Hopefully it's done better than the Leviathan, which fell pretty flat for me.

Oh, looking back - I love the Leviathan :) Wasn't a fan at the time.

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Dean was believable - I didn't actually doubt that he would kill Sam. What I feared was that Dean would kill Sam and THEN the spell would take the Mark off. And I cannot express how glat I am that the brothers are in this (whatever this is) together for the first time in forever. Also, I kinda hope that Death isn't actually dead - just being grumpy somewhere :)

Oh, I think we'll see God next season. Morgan Freeman joining the cast?
hells_half_acre
May. 22nd, 2015 06:11 am (UTC)
And does it remind you of season 4 ending? Definitely a long summer ahead :)

It does! A little bit of S4 and a little bit of S2 finale.

I don't see how he could have achieved the state of "passed out on the carpet in a hotel room" just drinking beer. I wouldn't be able to get that drunk on beer!

I have! You just need to be committed to the cause. Also, I'm a bit of a lightweight. Dean, however, is not. What I'm guessing is that he started drinking in a bar and had the heavy stuff there, and then when the bar closed and they kicked him out, he went to the hotel room and finished the night on beer.

Is it just me or was that hair terribly long for being Dean's?

I thnk it was doing that "looks long but isn't" thing - where the hairs look like they're long strands, but they're just a bunch of short strands curled around each other.

Every time I have my hair cut I'm a bit apprehensive that someone will make a voodoo doll out of it. Maybe someone has. I haven't been feeling right...

All the hair gets put in with the rest of the clients hair though - so anyone making dolls would probably end up torturing more than one person by accident. :P

That was the only joke of the episode, right? Made me chuckle - mission accomplished :)

I believe so. And yup, worked on me too!

I liked Seth. He travelled a lot and roasted his own coffee.

I liked him too. Poor Seth.

Oh, looking back - I love the Leviathan :) Wasn't a fan at the time.

I'm still not a fan. But, we'll see we'll see... hopefully they are leading us somewhere cool.

What I feared was that Dean would kill Sam and THEN the spell would take the Mark off.

I've seen other people mention this too - and honestly, I'm not sure the thought even crossed my mind. I think I must not have believed that Dean would kill Sam... but man, yeah, that would be heartbreaking beyond heartbreaking.

Oh, I think we'll see God next season. Morgan Freeman joining the cast?

Hahaha... or Alannis Morrisette? Or maybe I'm the only Dogma fan around here. :P

I think they'd have Rob back for God... it'd be really cool if he eventually shows up, but I see that event being more a Series Finale event.
pushistyj_koshk
May. 22nd, 2015 07:47 pm (UTC)
Re: Hahaha... or Alannis Morrisette? Or maybe I'm the only Dogma fan around here. :P

I think they'd have Rob back for God... it'd be really cool if he eventually shows up, but I see that event being more a Series Finale event.


I don't mind the concept of God being a woman. I don't discriminate :)

I think it's always been Chuck though.

* * *

It really is interesting what happened to Cas and Crowley. Gah, I never liked that spell - it looks ridiculous.

* * *

Random question - how do you feel about cats? :)
hells_half_acre
May. 22nd, 2015 07:51 pm (UTC)
I kinda like that spell - though, I don't like how it brainmelts the person under the spell. But, then, I have a thing for berserkers and werewolves, so I'm bound to like anything that makes people enraged-animalistic.

Random question - how do you feel about cats? :)

Well, my only job right now is working as a cat-sitter... so, uh, I like them? Sometimes I get a bit sick of them, since I have to look after one or more of them pretty much every single day. But, in general, cats are cool.
pushistyj_koshk
May. 22nd, 2015 07:53 pm (UTC)
I'll keep you not minding cats in mind )
hells_half_acre
May. 22nd, 2015 07:56 pm (UTC)
This is all very cryptic and strange, but okay!
jedinic
May. 22nd, 2015 01:24 am (UTC)
Loved your insights, as always! Thank you for posting.
hells_half_acre
May. 22nd, 2015 06:11 am (UTC)
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed. :)
sandymg
May. 22nd, 2015 03:04 am (UTC)
Excellent wrap up. I loved the ending. Felt just right and I didn't see it coming with Dean 'killing' Death although I also didn't see how he could kill Sam. This worked for me. They chose each other. As it should be. And since when is their co-dependency to be considered selfish? Nosiree. It's the world order of SPN as it should be :)

Death is not dead. Because that would be foolish. He's older than God, or maybe a minute younger? He just chose that cool disintegrating effect because it was hella cool and he's a cool cat. Please ... he will SO be back. Not sure if he'll be miffed or not at Dean's actions. Surely a Chicago pizza could solve that.

hells_half_acre
May. 22nd, 2015 06:15 am (UTC)
I'm really happy they've chosen each other again - and I really hope that will put a rest to the brother-conflict that Carver has relied on for the past 3 seasons. I really want a season of them moving forward together, the conflict can come over smaller things like methods (like back in S1-S2) rather than huge relationship-destorying things like secrets and lies.

Death is not dead. Because that would be foolish. He's older than God, or maybe a minute younger? He just chose that cool disintegrating effect because it was hella cool and he's a cool cat. Please ... he will SO be back. Not sure if he'll be miffed or not at Dean's actions. Surely a Chicago pizza could solve that.

Agreed agreed! In my opinion, Death HAD to have known what would happen if he told Dean to kill Sam - so, when he returns, he might put on a show of being miffed, but I think it'll just be a show. He knows the Winchesters better than ANYONE. So, yeah, a little pizza to make Dean THINK he's buying his forgiveness, when really Death forgave him before the blow was even struck.
pushistyj_koshk
May. 22nd, 2015 07:52 am (UTC)
Ok, non sequitur, but I guess you've seen the Supernatural Parody by The Hillywood Show already? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCZy8cAgBlM It is awesome and it makes me soooo happy :)
hells_half_acre
May. 22nd, 2015 06:20 pm (UTC)
Yes! So good! I had Shake It Off stuck in my head all yesterday because of it. :)
rovallie5
May. 22nd, 2015 06:13 pm (UTC)
Still shaking
I need to see this episode again, because so many feels!!!

Firstly, I agree that Death can be dead. C'mon, that would mean a huge messed up! Will reapers organize among themselves or need higher oders? Will someone take his place? I'm with you, probably Death foresaw what would happen.

As for The Darkness, somehow reminded me S2 finale, when demons were unleashed, so I've the feelings next season will be like S3. Ok being honest, I hope that happens, because though S7 was coherent, still believe was flat.

Uff what else? I've read comments saying this finale wasn't spectacular, but for those that have seen Supernatural for years, know the show is more about the bros's relationships and meaningful scenes than actions. Well for me SPN is a good mix of both :)

Oh forgot to say, I hope Crowley and Castiel are not killed o.o if not damn you Rowena. She is someone I'm afraid of what would do with the power she has now.
hells_half_acre
May. 22nd, 2015 06:26 pm (UTC)
Re: Still shaking
Glad you agree about Death!

And I'm with you in hoping that next season is more like S3 than S7.

I think it was a good season finale, maybe not one of their strongest, but when you have 9 other season finale's, your not going to one-up yourself every single time. Especially when one of those season finale's is Swan Song, which I really see as a series finale. When talking to people, I actually refer to everything that came after S5 as being "sequels" just because of how complete the arc was between S1-5.

Anyway, my point is that the finale did it's job - it resolved the plots that had run their course, and it set up a new enemy to fight when we return... and in between doing those things, it reconnected the characters and reconfirmed their core values and mission in the show. So, good job all 'round.

I completely agree about Rowena. She's going to cause trouble now that she has access to those magic books. I'm hoping that because Cas is an angel, the rabid beast spell won't kill him... or maybe Crowley can save Cas in the process of saving himself FROM Cas. It was quite the brutal screenshot to end on with those two.
rovallie5
May. 23rd, 2015 01:26 am (UTC)
Re: Still shaking
Love that idea of the seasons after S5 being called sequels :) For me that S1-S5 arc is gold. But I personally call it Part 1 and Part 2, with seasons 6 and 7 as the transiotining. Have to confess are not my top ones, but I don't hate them neither.

I hope Crowley has some tricks as his witch mother and do something.

Do you believe the Winchesters are trapped in the darkness or somehow get free of it?
hells_half_acre
May. 23rd, 2015 02:38 am (UTC)
Re: Still shaking
Yeah, I think of S1-5 as Supernatural, and S6-7 as Supernatural II, and S8-? as Supernatural III, so everything is divided by showrunner.

Do you believe the Winchesters are trapped in the darkness or somehow get free of it?

I think it might just roll over them and leave them behind, all bewildered, while it goes off to establish itself elsewhere.
shadowsong26
May. 22nd, 2015 10:36 pm (UTC)
Wow. This episode was…wow.

Agree about the a capella Carry On…although, I have to say, the Road So Far sequence this year seemed awfully short to me? Not 100% sure why…ah, well.

Agreed about Dean being a weird brand of asshole under the Mark.

And agreed on the ‘you’re not in my contacts’ bit. You’re right that Crowley here doesn’t mesh with Crowley Triumphant from last episode…unless he’s in this to get to Rowena. I mean, it’s petty and spiteful and potentially shortsighted since he basically declared war on the Winchesters last week—or maybe, now that his initial flush of rage has passed, he’s remembered how the last time he basically declared war on the Winchesters ended and is trying to walk it back a little to a level of hostility that gives him better survival odds. Or maybe some combination of the two. Probably some combination of the two.

Also, it is totally adorable that Dean made the snacks this time around.

I had thought the chatting-up-the-waiter bit was…well, for lack of a better description, domestic Crowley? Just doing his thing, buying a soul…I should’ve known it was gonna be important, that close to the finale…

I really liked the scene where Rowena killed Oscar. I’ve gotten to like Rowena a lot in general since she left Crowley’s court and started doing her own thing.

That is a very good point, about the addition of mommy-issues.

I think Dean trying to free Sam was in the show, too, but I forget where…maybe one of the first 3/4 episodes of S6? I don’t rewatch it much so I don’t remember…

I think you’re probably right, and Death knew how it was going to play out when he told Dean to kill Sam but that's like the only motivation/bluff/gameplan in that conversation I am sure of...I think I’m going to have to rewatch this bit several times before I figure it out.

The ‘close your eyes’ bit broke my heart, and yes everything else you said about this scene.

With the killing Death thing, I think there’s three possibilities—either Death was knew how this was going to go down and faked it so Sam and Dean would stop running to him to solve their problems like you said, or Death is using the boys to hit a cosmic reset button of some kind (with or without expecting his own destruction), or by killing Death, Dean has become Death, whether or not Death was complicit in this. As much as I like the actor I kind of like some combination of options 2 and 3, but those (especially 3) probably only work if S11 is for sure going to be the final season…so we’ll see. …on the other hand, in theory a reset button could take years to actually work, because Death’s timescale is huge…anyway.

Good point, about the similarity to the end of S2 only leveled up.

Rowena wanted the MoC off Dean for her own reasons, I think, because she wants Dean dead—or she did at one point—and can’t kill him while it’s there. Or this was a long con to get her hands on the book and codex and Crowley inherited his sense of integrity from her, so that's why she went through with the spell? I think there was a lot, this episode, highlighting how alike those two are in some ways, so my bet is something like that.

I wonder how well her deathbeast spell will work on an angel long-term…I mean, will it actually kill an angel? Will Cas be able to throw it off before he kills Crowley? Hm…

Yeah, the Darkness is definitely gonna take human form…but we shall see exactly how that plays out. And I’m with you on being glad the Mark story has ended. And on hoping Sam and Dean are finally on the same page again…

There really are a lot of loose ends at the end of this season. I don’t know what’s going on with Bobby, but I’m sure we’ll see him again somehow because he appears in every season. Metatron will turn up at some point—they might even need him, since he knows most of the universe's cheat codes. I'm sorta hoping for Gabriel, cause he’s the only living(?)/active entity who’s actually faced the Darkness and I’m absurdly fond of him…every other theory I have probably only works if S11 is the end of the line. (I think there’s Word of God that Gabriel’s alive? But it hasn’t been explicitly confirmed in-show, hence question mark.)

Whatever happens, you’re right. It will be a long, long summer…
hells_half_acre
May. 23rd, 2015 03:48 am (UTC)
although, I have to say, the Road So Far sequence this year seemed awfully short to me? Not 100% sure why…ah, well.

It very well might have been. They could have been long on time and needed to trim whatever they could.

unless he’s in this to get to Rowena. I mean, it’s petty and spiteful and potentially shortsighted since he basically declared war on the Winchesters last week—or maybe, now that his initial flush of rage has passed, he’s remembered how the last time he basically declared war on the Winchesters ended and is trying to walk it back a little to a level of hostility that gives him better survival odds. Or maybe some combination of the two. Probably some combination of the two.

I guess we'll have to find out in the Fall. In fairness, Crowley didn't interact with the Winchesters here at all, so it's hard to judge. He interacted with an AGENT of the Winchesters, in Cas, but, it could very well be that he wants the MoC off Dean for his own purposes. Probably because Dean as a demon was uncontrollable. Crowley got Dean the MoC, I think, in the hopes of eventually wooing Dean to be his... pet, I suppose. But, the only thing worse than a human uncontrollable Dean Winchester is an immortal uncontrollable Dean Winchester. So, Crowley just completely screwed up and is probably just correcting that mistake.

I’ve gotten to like Rowena a lot in general since she left Crowley’s court and started doing her own thing.

Yeah, it might just be because I don't like emotional manipulation plot-lines where it's obvious - and that's what Rowena had with Crowley. Now that she's on her own, her manipulations are more subtle and not as over the top, in my opinion - so she's a more compelling character.

I like your thoughts on Death! I've got nothing to add to them besides that I like them!

Rowena wanted the MoC off Dean for her own reasons, I think, because she wants Dean dead—or she did at one point—and can’t kill him while it’s there.

Oh yeah, I completely forgot about that. I'm silly.

I wonder how well her deathbeast spell will work on an angel long-term…I mean, will it actually kill an angel? Will Cas be able to throw it off before he kills Crowley? Hm…

That's what I'm thinking. I think it will have a weaker hold on an angel.

I'm sorta hoping for Gabriel, cause he’s the only living(?)/active entity who’s actually faced the Darkness and I’m absurdly fond of him…every other theory I have probably only works if S11 is the end of the line.)

Gabriel would be really cool. Also, did the archangel's fight the Darkness? I had it in my head that it was just God vs. The Darkness, and THEN he created the archangels and everything... BUT, I've only seen the episode once, so I could just have it in my head wrong. It happens all the time!

Yeah, my speculation often leads to places that only work if S11 is the end of the line, but I'm not sure it's going to be. If it is, I think they'd announce it at SDCC at the latest... so, I guess we'll wait and see, but yeah.. the only way SPN is ending is if Jared and Jensen decide to end it, and they've made no hints that they plan to anytime soon. Jared suffering from exhaustion to the point that it caused him to have another bout of depression is a worrying thing, but of the two of them, Jared is the one that talks most often of doing countless more seasons.
alessandra_c
Jun. 22nd, 2015 04:41 pm (UTC)
Cain's Relationship to the Winchesters
So this has always bothered me about Cain and Dean. In season 4 (or maybe 5?) Zachariah says that Sam and Dean are the perfect vessels, because they're descended from Cain and Able. (Or something to that effect) This brings up an interesting possibility of Cain giving the mark to Dean because he was Cain's descendent. Or maybe its a family curse...or something. I feel like that would explain why Cain was watching Dean/why he was sure Dean would make such a good successor.

That fits a bit into the wheel imagery you mentioned; a kind of 'fate in the hands of one family who turns the wheel' type of thing. Like, Cain was there at (close to) the beginning of the universe, probably went through some crazy adventures with his bro Able, but failed to save his brother from the machinations of heaven/hell, thus dooming the earth to two thousand years of supernatural rule. (Cain says Able was talking to the devil....like how Sam was talking to the devil before he became a vessel? Evidence of failed apocalypse part 1?)

Then fast forwards to Sam and Dean, who from Cain's perspective are just repeating his old story. Bud Sam and Dean won over heaven and hell...and if we're following narrative symmetry, it would follow that they would grant the earth two thousand years of freedom from the otherworldly influences of heaven and hell. or something.
hells_half_acre
Jun. 22nd, 2015 05:17 pm (UTC)
Re: Cain's Relationship to the Winchesters
Ooo, very cool speculation. And that would be a really neat end to the series, I think. But, that being said, it is more of a series end... so, I really do wonder what they're going to do this year. They haven't mentioned anything about it being the last year, yet the storyline is so epic. Can you have a larger foe than the primordial darkness first defeated by God before the creation of mankind?

Anyway, I love your thoughts on this... and they make perfect sense to me!
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