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Well. THAT was something...

Early post tonight (and no drinking) because my friends had tickets to a play, so I went over to watch it early while they were getting ready to go out.

Unfortunately, I missed the first few minutes, so if anyone wants to tell me what happened in them, that'd be grand - otherwise, I'll catch it when I work on the timeline (which I am so behind on it's ridiculous).

So, let's talk about the episode...

Crowley:
- The Crowley subplot here basically just boils down to the fact that Crowley's mother has talked herself into his good graces again, so I guess they're a weird sort of team now. I don't really have much to say about this plot, besides that the demon who was locked up with Rowena (who Rowena then screwed over was attractive - also, I'm surprisely sad that Gerald is dead.)

Dean, Sam, and Cas:
As I said, I missed the beginning - I came in when Cas was already midway talking to Claire, finding out what happened to her mother and what she's been up to. Luckily, I had been spoiled for Claire's return, so I put it together pretty fast who she was, which was good, because it's not like I recognized her.

Based on what happens later in the episode - my guess for the teaser before the title is that Dean is having some sort of flashback/nightmare to his time as a bloodlusty demon? Otherwise, the flashbacks later don't make sense.

Anyway, so, Cas has tracked down Claire in a fit of guilt for what he did to Jimmy. As I missed the beginning of the conversation and have to base my knowledge on what's said later in the episode - I'm guessing that Jimmy is confirmed dead? That'd be cool, since that's my headcanon. Also, I think if Jimmy WEREN'T dead, then Cas would pull a switch at some point and let Jimmy resurface to talk to his daughter. So, yay! This episode actually confirms TWO of my headcanons, but we'll get to the other one later...

Claire asks Castiel to get her out of the group home she's in - but Cas fails big time at that, because he's a horrible liar. Wisely, the social worker doesn't grant him custody. But, no worries! Cas might be a horrible liar, but he's really good at breaking and entering, so he just comes back at night and gets Claire out.

It's not exactly a happy reunion though - Claire lets him take her out for a burger and fries, but she doesn't exactly want him sticking around. Also, she hates him because he killed her father and ruined her life... which, you know, is totally understandable.

So, she steals his wallet and bolts.

Cas calls the Winchesters, who up until he called had been watching the Three Stooges together and laughing, while the ominous Mark of Cain hung over them like a spectre.

They're not too interested in Cas' emergency, being surprisingly kind of cold about it - wondering why Cas is even bothering trying to help Claire, since he only met her once. Um, yeah, but he got her father killed and ruined her life. I mean, making sure she doesn't die homeless and alone or resort to a life of crime is kind of the absolute least he could do.

Cas pulls the "I need you" card and Dean and Sam both acquisce. Sam takes off for the group home to play detective and Dean volunteers Cas and himself for eating-in-the-diner duty. Dean eats A LOT in this episode, and he laughs too hard at the stooges, and I think he's desperately playing a caricature of himself to try to either deny or hide the fact that he's losing control.

Cas and Dean talk about things... I kind of forget what they talk about until Cas asks Dean how he's doing, and Dean has the flashback thing and then tells Cas that Cas has to kill him if he loses control again - that he doesn't want to become that thing - and that Cas can't let Sam talk him out of it. Yikers.

Meanwhile, Sam gets the scoop from the group home and figures out who might know where Claire is.

Then we see that Claire had fallen in with a weird twisted Fagan type character, who is using orphans to get money so that he can pay off some loan shark loan he has.... and he's a creepy creeperston, to put it lightly. But his whole "getting the minor to commit crime" thing reminded me of before I turned 12 or 13 when my older siblings kept telling me that I was missing my opportunity to kill someone, because they were both in High School and had just learned about the Juvenile Deliquients Act in Civics..., or whatever the hell that Act in Canada is that doesn't cover kids under 12. It has been far too long since Grade 10, when I finally learned that crap for myself.

Anyway, Cas and Sam hang out outside the Weiner Hut, where Dustin works. I love how Supernatural has populated it's universe with it's own chain stores/restaurants, it makes it all seem more real. Cas uses enhanced interrogation tactics on Dustin and gets information on where Claire is pretty damn fast.

Which is good, because Claire's about to rob a convenience store at gunpoint. Cas intervenes just in time - but Claire isn't too happy about it. She yells at him for killing her father, yells at Sam and Dean for letting Castiel kill her father, and then storms off again.

And that returns us to our theme this season of "What makes a monster?" which is a theme that we really haven't explored THAT much since S2 or (briefly) S4. We love Cas, but does that make what he did to the Novaks any less horrible? He obviously didn't MEAN to destroy them, he once promised Jimmy that they would be protected, but he can't very well protect hem from themselves, and it seems that without Jimmy, the family self-destructed in the wake of the trauma that Castiel brought to them during The Rapture (4x20).

So, Sam, Cas, and Dean, go to a bar to drown Cas' sorrows. There's weird lighting at the bar that causes them to have a stripe through their eyeballs and it super annoys me... but they make up for it by confirming my longest held headcanon...

Dean spent part of his teen years near/in New York City. I've had this headcanon since I first started watching the show and noticed 1)Dean's cellnumber in an early series screen shot had a NYC exchange, and 2)Dean references Judaism a lot. So, I figured that the Winchesters must have, for a time, lived in or near NYC and close to a Jewish community, or Dean just made friends in a Jewish community. I think Long Island suits my headcanon purproses fine.

What we actually get is an adorable story about how Dean and Sam had to beg John to take them into the city - but he did, and he gave them a full day of being tourists... and then, that night, Dean snuck into town to go to CBJB, even though he was underage. He got in, because he's Dean, so of course he did, and a group of people got him very drunk (for the first time ever), but he wasn't fun drunk... and then John showed up and saved him, his presences alone commanding an apology from the people who had been feeding Dean alcohol - and even though John had saved him, Dean goes on to tell us that all John got was Dean complaining that he had embarrased him and that Dean hated him... and John told him that it wasn't his job to be liked, it was his job to "raise you right." And Dean and Sam both say that they know that John wasn't the best father, but that they loved him. And awww...

So, basically, this is an episode with Cas learning how to be a dad... from... the Winchesters, which, um, well, I guess it's better than no one! And hey, actually, they might be the best ones for the job, because I had kind of a crappy father, but my brother is an awesome father, mainly because he knows what NOT to do. :P

It's a good thing that Cas decided that he needed to be a LITTLE like John Winchester and go save Claire even if she didn't want him to though, because Horrible Fagan is busy selling Claire into the sex trade in order to pay off his debt from betting on horses. Wow.

Claire is able to fight off her attacker long enough for Cas to show up and throw humans out of his way until he finds her. Meanwhile, Dean and Sam keep all the dudes downstairs at gunpoint. Cas runs out of the house with Claire, and Sam follows, and Dean is supposed to be right behind, but steps into the room in order to make sure that the dudes don't shoot them in the back - and that's when the rapist clocks him in the head, drawing blood, and basically setting off Dean's fight or flight response... and yeah, setting off the fight or flight response on a recovering Knight of Hell is the worst idea imaginable.

Sam gets all the way to the car before he realizes that Dean's not right behind him, and that's when he hears the screams.... and yeah... Cas MAYBE should have kept Claire in the car, because that right there is a blood bath.

And poor Sam... he breaks my head, because he's pretty much just begging Dean to lie to him, but Dean doesn't - it wasn't self-defense, it wasn't either them or him, it was a blind bloodlust that he couldn't control. And I think the thing that breaks my heart the most is that Sam's reaction is just to hold him and not stop holding him. Ugh, my heart.


ETA: I forgot to talk about Cas and Claire - what do you think will happen next? Do you think Claire will stick around or will Cas stash her somewhere? Will Cas have to learn how to become a father? Will that even be possible given that Claire probably still hates him for killing her real father and rescuing her from a rapist, while great, is hardly going to erase that? Will Claire eventually become a kick-ass hunter? Will she be able to solve Cas' grace problem by still containing some of his grace after all these years?




And now we have to wait until January 20th!!! And the promo for it has me anxious. But hey, at least I might have time to catch up on my timelining!

As per usual, let me know what you thought in comments! Let me know if I missed talking about anything super major that you desperately need to discuss! And please forgive any spelling mistakes - LJ spellchecker isn't working and spelling is not my strongest skill.

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borgmama1of5
Dec. 10th, 2014 05:59 am (UTC)
What you missed:
Opening scene was the flashback we get at the end of Dean amidst all the bloody bodies.
A police officer brings a mouthy young woman back to the youth facilty. The supervisor mentions her name and says something about what did the girl do this time, and the young woman is put into solitary where she punches the wall.
Time passes montage, then the door opens and there is Cas. She does not look excited to see him.
Claire asks if her dad is still there and Cas says no. He then gives a reasonable explanation that had me think "oh, hells_half_are will like that we finally get an answer and it makes sense!" Basically he said that when the vessel was atomized, Jimmy went to heaven. It was worded better, but that is the gist of it.

I loved the scene where the boys talked about John. It rang true to the way I see John, and I could believe Dean getting in over his head, and the image of the punk saying 'yes sir' to John was perfect...and the way that both of the boys could quote John saying his job was not to be liked but to raise them right...

What I appreciated about this episode was that although it had 3 separate storylines--Cas & Claire, Crowley & mom, Dean and Mark--they were woven together in a way that didn't give me whiplash like the eps where we jumped from Sam & Dean to Cas & Hannah to something else did. I wonder if it was a tighter written episode or if Guy Norman Bee's directing unified the stories.

What will happen to Dean now???? The last scene suggests that it is more serious that Dean is out of control and bloodthirsty from the Mark than it was having Dean be a demon.

Hopefully in the 5 week hiatus you can get caught up on your rewatches! :)
hells_half_acre
Dec. 10th, 2014 06:07 am (UTC)
Thanks so much! And yes! I'm excited about that explanation because that was exactly my headcanon - that Jimmy wouldn't have survived at least one of Cas' more dramatic deaths and resurrections. :P

I also didn't find the different storylines as jarring - I wasn't sure if I was just getting used to them or what, but it's nice that they're sort of able to balance them out sometimes. With Supernatural, we're so used to only following one story that I think this season with 4 series regulars instead of just two has been a bit weird for a lot of people.

What will happen to Dean now???? The last scene suggests that it is more serious that Dean is out of control and bloodthirsty from the Mark than it was having Dean be a demon.

It's definitely the bigger problem, since it's not something that they can cure or (seemingly) control.

Hopefully in the 5 week hiatus you can get caught up on your rewatches! :)

Rewatches, timelining, clothing catalogue - not to mention that I have a seasonal job and I'm about to get crazy busy with that until January 1st! :P We'll see how much I'm able to do!
thursdaysisters
Dec. 10th, 2014 07:20 pm (UTC)
I just wish we'd had more time watching Dean fight the Mark vs. Claire's drama, he went from zero to Cain REAL fast.
hells_half_acre
Dec. 10th, 2014 08:14 pm (UTC)
I kind of like the fact that it was a hair trigger switch, and that we saw the episode more from Sam and Cas' POV rather than Dean's. We get a lot of Dean POV in this show, so I don't mind so much when we get a vacation from that.

But that's me!
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shayheyred
Dec. 10th, 2014 09:14 pm (UTC)
why Cas is even bothering trying to help Claire, since he only met her once.

Also he inhabited her body briefly.

Is that like incest? Even of the angelic sort...
hells_half_acre
Dec. 10th, 2014 09:22 pm (UTC)
why Cas is even bothering trying to help Claire, since he only met her once.

Because he feels bad for getting her father killed and ruining her life. I feel this was covered in the show. Cas has always been a believer that the angels original mission is to guard earth and protect the humans who dwell on it - Claire is a human. Also, beyond that, Cas promised Jimmy that his family would be protected and they clearly haven't been - so he's trying to make good on TWO promises and make up for Jimmy's murder.

Also he inhabited her body briefly.

Is that like incest? Even of the angelic sort...


No, because Cas isn't related to Jimmy or Claire - they're just his vessel bloodline, as in, he's meant to possess people in that family only and not other people.

It's more like Jimmy and Claire both having separate relationships with Cas. So, as though father and daughter both dated the same guy at one point - so, perhaps that's a little creepy, but it's not incest. :P
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pushistyj_koshk
Dec. 10th, 2014 10:06 pm (UTC)
Misha can't wink properly for the life of him. Kudos for trying though.

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Jensen' actor-laugh is amazing!

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I don't think I ever had grilled cheese...

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I liked Claire and her story.

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I like the acting in this episode generally. Except for Rowena.

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I liked the black (or which term is politically correct these days?) demon. She was nice and sorta human. One really does sympathize with her.

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I like how Dean's story is progressing.

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Sooo.... How'd you like SPN sans wine? :)

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Re: What we actually get is an adorable story about how Dean and Sam had to beg John to take them into the city...

The story isn't as funny as the Winchesters think, but the way Sam looks at Dean... Awww!

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The last scene... makes me want to hug everyone.

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January 20th, huh? Well, happy nondenominational holidays to us.
hells_half_acre
Dec. 10th, 2014 10:23 pm (UTC)
Misha can't wink properly for the life of him. Kudos for trying though.

I didn't even notice him trying!

I don't think I ever had grilled cheese...

Grilled cheese is delicious! I like to stick sweet pickles in mine, but most people find that strange.

I liked the black (or which term is politically correct these days?) demon. She was nice and sorta human. One really does sympathize with her.

Me too. She was very pretty and you did kind of sympathize with her, even though we really have no idea what she was doing topside - she could have been murdering puppies or something. :P

Sooo.... How'd you like SPN sans wine? :)

Easier to remember, but I didn't seem to go on as many wild thought-tangents, which can be fun.

The story isn't as funny as the Winchesters think, but the way Sam looks at Dean... Awww!

It's true, when you actually look at it objectively, it's not funny - but the Winchesters remember it as funny and as a good memory, which says a lot about them. Mainly, though, I just like the image of the Winchester's playing tourist for the day. :)

The last scene... makes me want to hug everyone.

Same!

January 20th, huh? Well, happy nondenominational holidays to us.

Ha! Indeed. ;)
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shadowsong26
Dec. 11th, 2014 03:16 am (UTC)
This episode was...well, it was.

I'm still an enormous fan of Rowena, and her conniving lying and...I'm just very fond of her.

I was actually really super excited for Claire turning up! Because I'm really into vessels in general, and, at least until Caroline, she was the only living ex-vessel in the world. And I loved pretty much everything they did with her. Although I'm kinda sad that they didn't actually mention that aspect of things even once...granted, she wasn't possessed by very long, but considering that angelic possession can have some pretty intense effects...I mean, I sort of wanted that to play into things? Not just her mom disappearing and Cas essentially killing her dad, but...yeah. IDK.

And I agree with you--nice to have confirmation that Jimmy has left the building.

I also don't really get why Sam and Dean were as cold about the whole 'help me find Claire' thing.

Dean eats A LOT in this episode, and he laughs too hard at the stooges, and I think he's desperately playing a caricature of himself to try to either deny or hide the fact that he's losing control.

Absolutely, this. I'm also of the opinion that he thinks this might stave it off--remember back in that other bar/diner/whatever with Crowley, where he completely lost interest in the cheeseburger? Maybe he remembers that and figures that, hey, if I go in the total opposite direction...

I love how Supernatural has populated it's universe with it's own chain stores/restaurants, it makes it all seem more real.

Agreed! I love little details like that that expand the world.

That New York story made me smile so much.

And then comes the part of the episode that--I just--was that scene with the creeper really necessary? I mean, yeah, sure, fine, we have to give Claire a reason to decide that Cas, all other issues aside, is a better caretaker than Randy, but...I'm just super not-okay with that scene. Or rape-as-drama scenes in general. Especially in a show where possession is a giant metaphor for it in the first place...IDK, it just upset me.

Kind of agree that Cas should've left Claire in the car--but, on the other hand, he probably didn't want to leave her unprotected/unwatched in case she decided to run again/someone else attacked...but, yeah. That was...uh...that was a fun thing to walk in on.

And I'm with you on poor, poor Sam there. Wow. My heart, too, breaks for him.

I'm pretty sure Claire will end up with trace Grace to save Cas. I don't know if she'll stay with him, or if he'll stash her somewhere--I think it depends on where things are going from here with the arc plot, as it slowly builds itself, especially given who's coming back, according to the teaser...

Anyway. Other than that one scene, I liked this episode a lot. I still love Rowena, and I love what we've seen of Claire so far. I'm looking forward to finding out where things are going when we get back. Man, January 20 seems a long way away...
hells_half_acre
Dec. 11th, 2014 03:48 am (UTC)
Although I'm kinda sad that they didn't actually mention that aspect of things even once...granted, she wasn't possessed by very long, but considering that angelic possession can have some pretty intense effects...I mean, I sort of wanted that to play into things? Not just her mom disappearing and Cas essentially killing her dad, but...yeah. IDK.

I'm sure this isn't the last we've seen of her and it'll come up later... I don't think they necessarily needed to put it in the very first episode that reintroduced her. Now, mind you, if they really NEVER mention it, then yes, I too will be slightly annoyed.

Absolutely, this. I'm also of the opinion that he thinks this might stave it off--remember back in that other bar/diner/whatever with Crowley, where he completely lost interest in the cheeseburger? Maybe he remembers that and figures that, hey, if I go in the total opposite direction...

Yes, I agree, I think he's amping up the "DEAN" characteristics to try to hold off the "not-Dean" behaviour.

And then comes the part of the episode that--I just--was that scene with the creeper really necessary? I mean, yeah, sure, fine, we have to give Claire a reason to decide that Cas, all other issues aside, is a better caretaker than Randy, but...I'm just super not-okay with that scene. Or rape-as-drama scenes in general. Especially in a show where possession is a giant metaphor for it in the first place...IDK, it just upset me.

I actually thought it was really cool that they put that it in - especially in a season that seems to be themed around "What makes a monster?" I kind of like that they included rape and the selling of women as an example of the monstrous things that humans do. I don't really see it as "rape-as-drama" but more just the same as an attempted-murder scene, which we're all usually fine with watching. Mind you, I probably only think it's cool because it was "attempted" and not an actual rape - if he had succeeeded in his goal, I would most likely be super upset right along with you. So, take that as you will... I mean, just this past year I had to get a friend to pre-watch an episode of Teen Wolf for me just because there was a slight possibility that there might be statutory rape in it, so I certainly understand being upset by it.






supernutjapan
Dec. 11th, 2014 05:58 am (UTC)
Hey!
One bit of the Cas/Dean scene at the restaurant was Cas asking whether catsup was a vegetable or not, and Dean telling him "absolutely!" not important at all, but very cute♡

Dean's binging - this was seen in Season 9 as well. remember Dean in the bunker kitchen? and later with the doughnut, pudding... We thought then that it was because he was depressed about Sam... but if he's doing the same thing now, I'm more inclined to believe that it is the sign of the mark taking effect. Of course at the end, he doesn't eat anything... which is supposed to show that he is becoming a demon right? So that's what we look out for.

Come to think of it, we had no conclusion to anything this episode. It's ALL hanging. Claire, Crowley/mom, and Dean. One huge cliffhanger. So the next episode should be pretty packed. What are Crowley and mom going to do to take over the world? What is Cas going to do with Claire? What are Cas and Sam going to do with Dean? It's also a very rare episode with no supernatural conflict whatsoever. The bad people were human and not what I'd call monsters. Sure they are definitely souls going to hell - that will become monsters - but if we call them monsters, the world is full of them.

Family is definitely a theme of Season 10 though, and also the past coming to haunt them. I will have to think about it a bit more. Good thing we have some time for that :D

I love the way that the dream was used in the beginning. The coloring totally reminded me of Dean in Purgatory, but his face told a different story. Sam's worry for Dean throughout the episode was painful and beautiful and the last scene reminded me so much of Season 9 finale. I ate a grilled cheese sandwich for lunch today (I eat it with dill pickle on the side :D) and felt melancholic looking at the cheddar cheese inside.

We all knew what was coming, but I think the show did a good job with the sudden snap - which I assume is because he was holding it in and trying to control it.

I loved all the Sam/Dean scenes, the rest was ok :P




Edited at 2014-12-11 06:09 am (UTC)
hells_half_acre
Dec. 11th, 2014 04:55 pm (UTC)
Yes, the scene about the ketchup was very cute. :)

And good point about Dean's eating habits! Very interesting, and I wonder if that's something Sam picked up on as well, or whether he just saw it as Dean being Dean... I'm starting to think maybe he picked up on it, which was why he seemed more on edge that normal. He may have already been trying to keep himself in denial about what was happening.

It's also a very rare episode with no supernatural conflict whatsoever. The bad people were human and not what I'd call monsters. Sure they are definitely souls going to hell - that will become monsters - but if we call them monsters, the world is full of them.

I think that was the point of the episode - that "monster" doesn't have as narrow a definition as the show usually uses. Of course, Sam and Dean USUALLY leave these kind of monsters to the police, so Dean killing them all is very much not just another day at the office. :P

I ate a grilled cheese sandwich for lunch today (I eat it with dill pickle on the side :D) and felt melancholic looking at the cheddar cheese inside.

Awww....

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hells_half_acre
Dec. 11th, 2014 05:00 pm (UTC)
My thoughts exactly!!!!
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marlowe78
Dec. 11th, 2014 10:32 pm (UTC)
Yepp, loved this one, too.

I liked the part about Claire and Cas. Loved that she hates him and I adored the story about John Winchester and that "with everything I had" from Dean when Cas asked if he loved John. Awwww.
Also loved the little scoff from Sam when Dean said that John raised them right. Hee... yeah well, it's up for debate as far as the raising went, but he certainly did something right to have created those two. Right? Or well... maybe not, but I'm just glad we got a nice story about John Winchester that makes me remember how important he was to Dean and Sam.

I hate Rowena. Still love Crowley and I hope it's a ploy from him. But I fear she did something to him with that kiss to the temple!

Agree about sadness about the dead Demon.

So...

Dean.

Well. Let's see what happens and if maybe I get to see more bloody-Dean. Because damn. DAMN that shouldn't look good, right?


Oh, and I loved the title and I loved the theme - where do we come from, how much is ourself shaped by those that raise us. How can a kid that was left alone by his mother not end up being the king of Hell, and how easy is it to slip from the "right" path on your way.

Yeah. well. Hope it's a fast 40 days till the 20th :-)

Edited at 2014-12-11 10:32 pm (UTC)
hells_half_acre
Dec. 12th, 2014 03:20 am (UTC)
Also loved the little scoff from Sam when Dean said that John raised them right. Hee... yeah well, it's up for debate as far as the raising went, but he certainly did something right to have created those two. Right? Or well... maybe not, but I'm just glad we got a nice story about John Winchester that makes me remember how important he was to Dean and Sam.

I think what I love about John Winchester in this show is that he's so complicated - he's not romanticized as a hero that he wasn't, but he's also not depicted as a complete villain - he's always presented as someone who loved his family deeply (a good thing) but had that love drive him to make massive mistakes as a father. So, you have this weird combination of Sam and Dean having very strong moral values - instilled in them by John - but also having these obsessive and deeply broken psyches as a result of John's parenting. So, the question of "Did John raise them right?" Is always a "Well, yes and no" answer - or "Jaein" as me and my German studies friends used to say ;)

Anyway, my point is that I also loved Sam's small scoff, because I think his expression and that scoff fully captured the "I have no idea whether what Dean just said is true or not" thought that Sam was probably having.

But I fear she did something to him with that kiss to the temple!

Oh man, I completely forgot to talk about that in the post!!! But yeah, I also fear that she was somehow able to bewitch him or something... I guess time will tell.

Oh, and I loved the title and I loved the theme - where do we come from, how much is ourself shaped by those that raise us. How can a kid that was left alone by his mother not end up being the king of Hell, and how easy is it to slip from the "right" path on your way.

Me too! As I said in the post (I think), I love how this season is feeling more like an early SPN season, where the themes are more philosophical in nature.
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elvit
Dec. 12th, 2014 06:21 pm (UTC)
I don't know about Sam but I think we've got a proof that Dean is an awesome father - his year with Ben and Lisa ^_^
hells_half_acre
Dec. 12th, 2014 07:09 pm (UTC)
...

Well, I mean, sure... but we don't actually have THAT much evidence, because we only get a few scenes and in one of them he DOES mess up and then berate himself for turning into his father... and then he has Ben's memory wiped without his consent... and he also tells us that the first part of his year with them was really rough because he was drinking too much and having nightmares.

But, Ben obviously liked him, so he must have done something right! And Lisa wouldn't let him have stuck around if he were completely horrible - as evidenced by how quick she kicks him out when he comes back and is all erratic because he's a vampire.

So, sure! He must have been okay!
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thestarkat
Dec. 14th, 2014 07:37 am (UTC)
My thoughts on what they might do with Claire to keep her shelved for potential other eps:
1) Send her to Jodie Mills' home for wayward teens
2) Send her to Hannah and her husband. 'Hey, we totally screwed up your marriage by absconding with your wife. Here's an angry teenager.'
hells_half_acre
Dec. 14th, 2014 07:54 am (UTC)
HAha!

You know, I'd be fine with either of those just for the hilarity of it all. :P
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