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Quick Reaction: 10x06 Ask Jeeves

Ah, the light-hearted fun of murderous family drama...

Let's get right to it!

I liked the way they did the THEN this time, because it didn't give away the monster - instead they mentioned a whole BUNCH of monsters so that we could have the mystery be revealed to us at the same time as it was revealed to the Winchesters. That was a really nice change from the usual, where we know what monster we're dealing with before the boys do because of it being the only monster we're briefed on during the THEN.

So, the episode begins, yet again, with Dean working on the car. Last episode, I took this as a sign that Dean really WAS back to being Dean - now I'm wondering if it's a sign that Dean is obsessively TRYING to be back to being Dean because he's not really...

Also, Dean had both a new shirt AND a new coat in this episode - luckily, I don't have to worry about those until next fall when I do a rewatch and update the clothing catalogue.

Sam's been looking for cases, but there's "not even a cat up a tree" - and now I really want to see the Winchesters get so bored that they start resuing kittens from trees. (In my experience, it's only ever kittens that get stuck up trees - adult cats know better.)

Dean has a solution - he found one of Bobby's old cellphones in the car. Really?! Wow, they NEVER clean that thing out, do they. Anyway - Bobby got a message about being in the will of some heiress, so it's off to the will reading for his next of kin. Where they discover the stereotypical WASP family who all hate each other.

I forget at what point the conversation occurs, but I did like the brother's comment to Sam about how his family doesn't like each other, and he supposes most families are like that - and Sam is just like "Mine isn't." And he says it's just him and Dean, but even when the rest of Sam's family was around, they all liked each other - Sam even liked his dad, despite always getting into fights with him - you can tell that by the one scene they have together in S1 where they actually talk.

Also, I liked Dean explaining that Bobby was their "surrogate father" - he could have easily just have said "uncle" since that's what they called him when they were kids, but it doesn't really incapsulate the relationship, because even when they were kids, Sam and Dean really did grow up with two dads - who often disagreed on how they should be raised.

Oh hey, I forgot to talk about the teaser death - there was a teaser death. We remarked on it because you could already tell it wasn't your typical ghost-case, since the butler was like "What have you done!?" rather than "You're alive!" or "AAAHH!" So, that was neat.

Things I liked - the alliteration - "The Westchester Winchesters?" and "Clown College Collette"... and I liked the Butler telling them that they didn't have to spend the weekend and handing off Bobby's "inheritance" in the hallway, and Dean making a comment about how it's because the butler doesn't think they're good enough and the butler correcting him and explaining that it's the family that isn't good enough for the Winchesters.

So, the boys have inherited a pendant of a celtic cross - thinking it must be worth something, they take it to a pawn-shop/appraising guy to see, only to discover that it's all fake rubies and cubic zirconia. But, it's also A KEY! So, back to the house... where they discover a secret stairwell to the attic and Collette's corpse. Or rather, Dean does. Oh wait, but that's after Statton gets killed by the "ghost" of his dead uncle. So, Dean also discovers the other maid, whose name I have forgotten, claiming to have been locked up there with him - and that she saw what happened to Collette too.

Anyway, I actually really like contained room killer stories - so I liked this one, where the Winchesters had to figure out what was going on, but they couldn't leave the premises or even get to their car. The fact that they didn't have their guns or even a silver knife on them was interesting and a little odd. I mean, usually Dean's armed to the teeth, and he DID have his flashlight.

Sam suggests they talk to the butler, so they split up to find him. Dean finds him and talks to him. Sam finds his corpse somewhere else - and then it's revealed that what we're ACTUALLY dealing with is a shapeshifter! Which I honestly didn't see coming.

Then it's too the silverware drawer - and this one my friend completely called, saying that the silver was going to turn out to be fake - and I was like "I'm sure by now Sam and Dean know how to tell if something is really silver or not" ... but nope, she was right. They do no how to tell, they just never bothered.

I did love them going through the house and testing everyone though. I loved Sam letting the ladies hit on him so that he could sneakily test them - and being super uncomfortable while doing so. I just wathed The Purge (9x13) the other day and I couldn't help but think of Dean's line "You're weird around girls - Sam weird." Anyway, I loved the comments from the ladies about how long Sam's fingers are... teehee.

So, after all that testing, they discover that the detective is dead! Oh noes... and then finally the family figures out that the murder must be the two strange guys who they don't know - so the brother who hunts pheasants commanders the cop's gun and locks them away in a room that happens to have both secruity cameras AND a gun safe.

Meanwhile, the killer is revealed to be the maid! Who I DID suspect as soon as the butler turned up dead - and Sam realizes that the silverware isn't actually silver. (It just occured to me that if I ever had to defend myself from a shapeshifter in my apartment, I would have to choke them with one of my necklaces, because I don't have any silver at all, besides POSSIBLY some of my nicer jewelry.)

Gun chase ensues! And the maid ends up cornering Sam in the kitchen. We find out that she's the heiress's daughter from a shapeshifter, who Bobby killed when he came to collect her, but the heiress didn't want her daughter to die, so the compromised and locked her in the attic instead. Which, yeah, if you wanted to creat a pissed off monster, probably locking them in an attic their whole lives is a good way to start. Still, I liked Sam telling the maid that "being a monster is a choice" - of course, at that point she'd already killed four people.

Sam didn't actually have any silver bullets, so it's Dean who makes the kill shot by sneaking up on them. Then he makes several "after the kill" shots that suggest that Dean might have some bloodlust problems. Very scary bloodlust problems.

And even when they're leaving afterwards, Dean tells the brother that he can repay them by not telling anyone they were there - but he does it in rather a threatening way. So, yeah... not good not good.

Sam tries to talk to him about it, but alas, Dean makes an excuse and then gets super defensive when he realizes that his excuse is really weak... and then resorts to turning up the music which, yeah... this is not going to solve any problems.

So, Sam and Dean drive off into the night...

All in all, a fun episode, but not too deep - still, it sets up the problems to come that will inevitably complicate the brother's lives greatly - namely that Dean is still not really himself, not as long as he has the Mark.

You know what this episode made me wonder though - are all shapeshifters male? This shapeshifter seemed to identify as female gender, but I'm wondering about their procreative sex. Everytime we've had a reference to shapeshifters being born, it's always a shifter!male impregnating a human!female. And shifters can shift into either male or female bodies, so... can they also reproduce shifter!female with human!male? Like, do they have the option to carry their own offspring, or because they might have to shift genders while pregnant, do they only produce semen and have to depend on humans with static sex-organs? Anyway... that's mainly the question that I debated walking home.

Short write up tonight! Woo!

As usual, let me know what you thought in comments!

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cappy712
Nov. 19th, 2014 01:15 pm (UTC)
Interesting thought about the shifters and if they have to be male to procreate? Hummmmm

Yeah I could see a problem with Dean possibly - but that we have to remember that he didn't get so bad until after his first meeting with Magnus and touching the first blade. Since he was "cured" He has not touched the first blade and I'm hoping the effects are not as bad until he touches the blade again - we know with Supernatural that it's not an if its a when - you know Crowley is going to come back with the blade needing Sam and Dean's help.

Only time will tell - but I have to say I liked this MOTW - enjoyed the fact that the boys were in the game of clue and all the props were there too.

Thank you for the review.
hells_half_acre
Nov. 19th, 2014 04:10 pm (UTC)
True, but technically Dean touching the first blade hasn't been erased - what's been erased is his ability to use it. That initial sparked blood-lust could possibly still be a factor - it COULD be that once you touch the blade, there is no going back to having never touched it.

Only time will tell - but I have to say I liked this MOTW - enjoyed the fact that the boys were in the game of clue and all the props were there too.

Me too! It was cute and clever.
cappy712
Nov. 20th, 2014 04:12 am (UTC)
I realize that "technically" Dean did touch the First blade.

However, what I meant was that since he was "cured" he hasn't touched the First Blade and that because he has not touched it since the "cure" it might hold off on the blood lust that it causes. Just a hope!
marlowe78
Nov. 19th, 2014 06:51 pm (UTC)
Hey there. Short summary first:

I. Adored. This!

Now for the longer rambling ;-)

That was a really nice change from the usual, where we know what monster we're dealing with before the boys do because of it being the only monster we're briefed on during the THEN.
Ah, good of them! I always skip the intro because I hate (hate hate hate) to be spoiled to the monster. Good to know I can watch it without problems ;-)

Wow, they NEVER clean that thing out, do they.

Well,in their defence, it could've slipped under a seat. in my experience, things under the seat are somehow suspended in time and will only be found when you buy a new (insert thing you initially lost, like "phone"). Happened to my pocket-knife. Now I have two. Yay.

Which, yeah, if you wanted to creat a pissed off monster, probably locking them in an attic their whole lives is a good way to start.

Yeah. My thoughts exactly. Poor girl. And now I wonder what happened to the shapeshifter-kid that Dean and Sam took care of for a while? Hopefully his "Dad" did the right thing and he's living happily in between humans, never really bothering anyone.

ll in all, a fun episode, but not too deep - still, it sets up the problems to come that will inevitably complicate the brother's lives greatly - namely that Dean is still not really himself, not as long as he has the Mark.

Yepp, I agree with you here. A nicely done whodunnit-case, not too taxing but fun due to the older heiress (the one who wet herself ;-) ) and it set the right amount of mystery for the story-arch to develop. I liked it.

Like, do they have the option to carry their own offspring, or because they might have to shift genders while pregnant, do they only produce semen and have to depend on humans with static sex-organs? Anyway... that's mainly the question that I debated walking home.

Never thought about this, but that is actually an interesting solution. Though Olivia seemed to like herself as female, she said she's Bunny's daughter.

But maybe she will never be able to carry a child herself, so if she wanted to reproduce, she'd have to shift into male form, do the deed and leave.
Hm... Interesting!
hells_half_acre
Nov. 20th, 2014 12:40 am (UTC)
Ah, good of them! I always skip the intro because I hate (hate hate hate) to be spoiled to the monster. Good to know I can watch it without problems ;-)

You can watch the THEN on this ONE episode! Haha :P

Well,in their defence, it could've slipped under a seat. in my experience, things under the seat are somehow suspended in time

True, I had to get maintenance done on my drivers seat the other weak and the mechanics font things from 2008 under there. :P

And now I wonder what happened to the shapeshifter-kid that Dean and Sam took care of for a while? Hopefully his "Dad" did the right thing and he's living happily in between humans, never really bothering anyone.

That baby was taken by the alpha shifter in the end, I believe... weren't they? Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but I thought he managed to get away with them.

But maybe she will never be able to carry a child herself, so if she wanted to reproduce, she'd have to shift into male form, do the deed and leave.

Yeah, I mean, it just occurred to me, because as we've seen in humans, sex-organs don't actually dictate your gender-identity - so Olivia could identify and look female, but only have the ability to produce semen rather than eggs.
katsheswims
Nov. 19th, 2014 07:23 pm (UTC)
I did like the episode. And I loved all the little nods/tributes to the game and film CLUE.

Interesting thoughts about shifters. I think other than Collette, all the other shifters we've seen have been predominately male--it seemed like only shifting into women rarely when they needed to... But maybe your right that they can't be impregnated (don't have eggs?), and so the only way they can reproduce is with a "normal" women as a man.
hells_half_acre
Nov. 20th, 2014 12:41 am (UTC)
Yeah, exactly, I mean, as we see with humans, sex-organs don't actually dictate gender-identity. So she could prefer to look female and prefer to call herself female, but only be able to produce semen when it comes to reproduction.
pushistyj_koshk
Nov. 19th, 2014 07:48 pm (UTC)
Re: I liked the way they did the THEN this time

I loved the THEN!


Re: So, the episode begins, yet again, with Dean working on the car. Last episode, I took this as a sign that Dean really WAS back to being Dean - now I'm wondering if it's a sign that Dean is obsessively TRYING to be back to being Dean because he's not really..

Or maybe he's just depressed :( So he's doing what used to make him happy hoping that it does. I'm over-analyzing this.


Re: Also, Dean had both a new shirt AND a new coat in this episode - luckily, I don't have to worry about those until next fall when I do a rewatch and update the clothing catalogue.

Do you actually remember most of it?


Re: Things I liked - the alliteration - "The Westchester Winchesters?" and "Clown College Collette"...

Ooh! What's the deal with Clown college Collette? I'm afraid I don't understand that reference :)


Re: and I liked the Butler telling them that they didn't have to spend the weekend and handing off Bobby's "inheritance" in the hallway, and Dean making a comment about how it's because the butler doesn't think they're good enough and the butler correcting him and explaining that it's the family that isn't good enough for the Winchesters

And the butler might not have meant it and he was kinda shady, but it is true. They are.


Re: So, the boys have inherited a pendant of a celtic cross - thinking it must be worth something, they take it to a pawn-shop/appraising guy to see, only to discover that it's all fake rubies and cubic zirconia. But, it's also A KEY!

It's weird that the Winchesters thought that the key was just jewelry. But the episode with the pawn-guy was connected to fake everything in the mansion, so I'm not terribly mad about it.


Re: I just wathed The Purge (9x13) the other day and I couldn't help but think of Dean's line "You're weird around girls - Sam weird."

Yes! That's exactly what I was thinking all the way!


Re: It just occured to me that if I ever had to defend myself from a shapeshifter in my apartment, I would have to choke them with one of my necklaces, because I don't have any silver at all, besides POSSIBLY some of my nicer jewellery.

Who does?


Re: Which, yeah, if you wanted to creat a pissed off monster, probably locking them in an attic their whole lives is a good way to start. Still, I liked Sam telling the maid that "being a monster is a choice" - of course, at that point she'd already killed four people.

By the way, I never got the shifters' motivation being violent. Is it the nature or the nurture thing? And I'm not talking just about this episode.



It was an entertaining episode, it was lacking something. I'm not in a hurry to rematch it. Then again - I never played Clue. And I did watch 10x5 like 5 or 6 times already, so I don't really need another episode I love :)

Aaand I suppose the next one will be all angsty and serious.


UPD: Fudging spellcheck. Sorry for all the edits.

Edited at 2014-11-19 07:50 pm (UTC)
hells_half_acre
Nov. 20th, 2014 12:48 am (UTC)
Do you actually remember most of it?

The clothing catalogue? Yeah, I do.

Ooh! What's the deal with Clown college Collette? I'm afraid I don't understand that reference :)

The butler's story to explain the disappearance of the dead maid (Colette) was that she went away to Clown College. So, throughout the episode, all the characters would refer to her as "Clown College Colette"

Who does?

HA! Good point. :P

By the way, I never got the shifters' motivation being violent. Is it the nature or the nurture thing? And I'm not talking just about this episode.

All the shifters we've seen so far it's definitely been a nurture thing - that because they were "cuckoo's eggs" and also really weird shifter "monster" babies that shed their skin, they're human parents flipped out and treated them like monsters - so they became monsters.

Unlike werewolves and vampires, shifters don't have to prey on humans to survive. The ONLY thing different about them is their ability to change appearance - so there's nothing in their nature to suggest that they HAVE to become violent. That being said, in S6 the Mother of All seemed to be able to compel them like she could the vampires - but she's dead now, so that shouldn't be a factor.
borgmama1of5
Nov. 20th, 2014 03:23 am (UTC)
I am pondering your pondering about the reproductive process of shapeshifters and conclude that the world is a much better--albeit odder--place for having you in it :D

Episode was amusing and probably not meant to stand up to much overthinking...but that's okay, a little calm/silly before the storm/angst...
hells_half_acre
Nov. 20th, 2014 03:27 am (UTC)
Thanks! I think the oddest thing is that I don't think myself odd for my ponderings. ;)

And yes, I'm sure in the trials to come, we'll be glad of this little lighthearted romp.
shadowsong26
Nov. 20th, 2014 04:29 am (UTC)
I was kind of confused by the THEN, but I see why you like it--and it is sort of cool, that it was just a lot of LOOK AT ALL THE COOL THINGS WE HUNT and then "oh, right, watch Dean he's gonna start getting super aggressive again...yeah..."

he found one of Bobby's old cellphones in the car. Really?! Wow, they NEVER clean that thing out, do they.

Possibly, but, on the other hand, they kept at least one of John's in the glove compartment for at least three years, since that's how they found out about Adam--it's been about that long (discounting the Purgatory year) since Bobby died. Maybe they're doing the same thing with some of Bobby's phones, keeping it around/charged in case one of his old contacts calls them? IDK.

Oh! With regard to the teaser death--I actually thought zombies, like that one early s2 episode? Like, there was a knocked-down vase or something and I thought maybe dead flowers, and then the butler was not at all surprised to see the old lady...so I thought it was a similar setup at first.

It made me ridiculously happy, watching Dean find all the Clue weapons scattered around the house. Except the knife. Sam found the knife.

Also, really good points about shifter reproduction there...we have been introduced to at least one female-identifying shifter before, in the spinoff episode. But that doesn't answer the question about procreative sex...IDK. Definitely something to ponder.

This episode was kind of cute, and largely silly, with a little bit of gloom at the end. Overall, a nice MotW episode!
hells_half_acre
Nov. 20th, 2014 04:45 am (UTC)
Possibly, but, on the other hand, they kept at least one of John's in the glove compartment for at least three years, since that's how they found out about Adam--it's been about that long (discounting the Purgatory year) since Bobby died.

True!

Oh! With regard to the teaser death--I actually thought zombies, like that one early s2 episode? Like, there was a knocked-down vase or something and I thought maybe dead flowers, and then the butler was not at all surprised to see the old lady...so I thought it was a similar setup at first.

Yeah, I could totally see that - definitely why I liked the teaser.

It made me ridiculously happy, watching Dean find all the Clue weapons scattered around the house. Except the knife. Sam found the knife.

Yes! That was hilarious and a nice touch.

we have been introduced to at least one female-identifying shifter before, in the spinoff episode. But that doesn't answer the question about procreative sex...IDK. Definitely something to ponder.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that!

elvit
Nov. 22nd, 2014 08:55 pm (UTC)
um... I've got a question for you... as a native speaker... if this is ok?

Does the butler have any accent? When I heard him speaking for the first time it seemed to me he had rather strong accent I even thought he might have been an immigrant! Now I'm not sure. Um. So am I imagining it and it's just an average pronunciation or he is a fake "real butler" just as many other things in the house?
hells_half_acre
Nov. 22nd, 2014 09:08 pm (UTC)
That's an interesting question! You definitely aren't imagining the accent. I actually struggled to place his accent - I couldn't tell if it was British or what I call "Old Upper-Class American" but might be more resembling the old Trans-Atlantic accent that's largely died out (but was what the famous American actors of the 1940s all used).

I think I settled on British, but I could be wrong - and it might well indeed be another nod to the fact that every show of wealth was actually a facade, including the English Butler. ;)
elvit
Nov. 22nd, 2014 09:58 pm (UTC)
Thank you! I for sure would'n be able to place it - just to notice. With British I usually associate softer sounds, but I don't know why. Maybe it's just due to a couple of modern series. ))
hells_half_acre
Nov. 22nd, 2014 10:01 pm (UTC)
There are also a huge variety of British accents - so, even if I don't necessarily recognize an accent as British, it could still be, but just a lesser known regional accent.
elvit
Nov. 22nd, 2014 10:08 pm (UTC)
Oh yes, it could be.
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