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Quick Reaction: 10x04 Paper Moon

Hello! So, late night tonight, because of various reasons, one result of which was more wine than usual...

Eventually though, we did get to the show... so, let's talk about it...

Unfortunately, I was spoiled for the guest star of this episode at the last minute, so the reveal wasn't as exciting as it could have been, but it was still pretty cool. I liked Kate - I mean, you all know that I have a soft spot for werewolves, so maybe that's a given, but still...

Anyway, we open with a first person shot that, if you knew the quest star, was a nice call back to the first episode that she appeared in. And we see some dude at the biker bar get eaten by a blond girl. But, we don't see her face...

Then we join up with Sam and Dean, who are hanging out on the Fraser river somewhere, pretending it's a beach. Haha, adorable. I also like their dorky sunglasses. And I love that their version of a vacation is just... what it is... like, just sitting down by a river with beers in the sunshine. It's cool though, to see them having "we-time" and, I suppose, trying to reconnect and actually put the past behind them. Actually losing his brother caused Sam to shelve all his grudges immediately, and actually getting lost caused Dean to shelve his grudges too... or at least, they're working on it. But they ARE working on it - almost mindfully, which is I guess what is wonderful to see.

Before I even get into this episode, I have to say that I love how so far this season, the writers are taking more time with everything - it doesn't feel as rushed as S8 and S9 were. Now, that might all change and they could speed everything up again, but so far, I'm digging the pace of things. I really LOVE the first few seasons where they had whole episodes like this one where the monster of the week was about working out, or showcasing, their emotional issues rather than advancing the plot. It led us to have a better connection and understanding of the characters.

Okay, back the actual episode. I love how Dean and Sam are actually sitting five feet away from a "No Hunting" sign. Brilliant. It reminds me of the time that I took a picture of my best friend under a sign that said "[Ice is] undependable and NOT TO BE RELIED UPON" only, I cut off the top, and yeah... in retrospect, that was horribly cruel of me, but he had it coming and he's my best friend for a reason.

Of course, Dean and Sam have a workaholic problem. And they both read the paper that morning and noticed some "animal" attacks nearby. I love the fact that Sam says they'll call some hunters and get someone to take care of it - it's small, but I like the reference that Sam and Dean ARE connected to other hunters still (though, I guess Sam might have strained some relations, as we find out later.)

But, no, Dean wants to hunt and Sam caves, and off they go - but Sam declares that if at any point it starts going sideways they are OUT.

So, it's time to dress up as sexy park-rangers for halloween and talk with the sheriff, which then leads them to a bar and a drunk dude, who thinks it was a ghost - but DOES name the second person as a blond and mentions that he saw her out by some farm. So, then it's off to the farm... and sure enough, there's Kate!

As soon as we heard her on the phone, I knew that it wasn't her doing the killing. I was glad, because I do want her to stay good. I like her... and I mean, in some circles, what she HAS done doesn't qualify as "good" and them letting her live technically HAS caused deaths, but luckily her excuse is one that the Winchesters can forgive her for.

But, we haven't got there yet. Although Kate's willing to take the bullet, Sam stops Dean from killing her because, I'm guessing, he's worried that it will reignite the bloodlust caused by the Mark...or something? In any case, the delay is enough time for the sheriff to call them and tell them there's been another kill while Kate was with them and it's also enough time for Kate to claw-saw through her ropes and escape.

Dean stole her cellphone though and knows she was talking to someone in a motel nearby. So, it's off to the motel - which happens to be the same motel Sam was staying at last week? They didn't really even change it up that much. ANYWAY... they follow a short blond girl out into the jogging trails..., and dudes, you are NOT GOOD AT FOLLOWING PEOPLE. I don't think she noticed, really, but you were pretty damn obvious and if it'd been me, I would have noticed.

In anycase, when they think she's going in for the kill, they stop her, call her Kate, but when she turns around it's NOT KATE. Dun dun dun! They go to test her and she wolfs out at them and takes Sam down. Luckily, Kate actually is around and saves the day.

Then they go out for coffee and we get the whole story about how she's Kate's sister - um... I forget her name. But, yeah, the slowly dying from a fatal car-accident, but could be saved with a werewolf bite, is how Kate explains the reasoning for turning her sister... which is as good an excuse as any. Though, yeah, waking up in a car wearing a hospital robe with your runaway sister that you haven't seen or heard from in nearly two years has gotta be freaky...then add on top of that finding out that werewolves exist and you are one? Yeah...not the best day, but still better than being dead!

Of course, Sis can't withstand the cravings like Kate can. It actually makes sense, given the werewolf lore that they set up in Bitten. The wolves bit by the alpha have control, and control is lost in subsequent bitings...so, professor was bit by an alpha (if I'm remembering correctly), professor bites Kate's two male friends, male friend bites Kate, we're now 3 removed from the alpha...which means that Kate's sister is 4 bites removed...and probably at the stage where you start getting a little bit more uncontrollable. It could work for Garth's storyline too, because we don't know who bit him, so he could have been bitten by a wolf that was only one bite removed from the alpha too - and that's why he has nearly the same control as born-wolves (who I'm guessing are decendents of those only one or two bites removed from the alpha.)

Dean tells Kate that they can cure her sister - and I do like how Sam just goes along with it, even though he's lying. Part of me wondered if he maybe wasn't lying and Dean had learned something as a demon or something - but no, lying. Which, yeah, is a REALLY douchebag thing to do, in my opinion, because you're tricking someone into giving up their sister! Geeez.

Sam feels the same as me and is mad about it, but it's not like he has another plan - and although Kate talks a good game about either fixing it herself or killing her sister herself, it's not like Sam can really trust that. After all, he knows that he and Dean tend to be the "burn the earth to the ground before I'd ever kill my brother" types... I mean, yes, Dean let Sam "die" in Swan Song in order to save the world, but he didn't do the killing HIMSELF.

So, then it's time to drive off to where Kate's sister usually meets up with her. On the way, Kate falls asleep... and Sam and Dean talk.

Oh! I forgot to mention how much I loved the "really? you were a demon? I must have missed that" sass from Sam earlier, and the way they both echo it later in their own subsequent sarcastic moments. Making jokes of things like that actually make the characters seem more like real people to me, because real people make jokes about horrible things that happen to them.

Sam tries to get the ball rolling by saying that Dean was right earlier and that it wasn't just Lester that Sam "used" to try to find Dean, and that Sam also perhaps punched some Hunters... but that for the most part, everyone he "used" had it coming. He then tries to get Dean to talk about how he's doing and such, but Dean isn't as forthcoming...

Then they arrive at the cabin, and Kate puts it together that they've tricked her when Dean does the ol' handcuff to the steering-wheel trick. Just like last time, this doesn't work for long, which is - again, just like last time - actually a good thing for Sam and Dean.

Sam and Dean go into the house and Sam finds the sister, but unfortunately, she is not alone. She's made her own pack out of scuzzy looking dudes. One of them gets the jump on Dean, which means that they have a hostage good enough to make Sam drop his weapon - the other one gets Kate from the car.

Then we get the Kate and Sister confrontation, where Sister talks about finally being powerful and that Kate can join her new family and doesn't have to be alone, but she's gotta eat hearts like the rest of them - I guess because Sister hates having an older sister with a holier-than-thou attitude. So, Kate goes in for the hug and STABS HER! And it's all very sad.

Meanwhile, Dean makes a blow-job joke in the other room. Sam is able to stab the werewolf trying to kill him, but Dean flubs his own attack and Sam has to quickly come to his rescue too - one handed - seriously, I think being a demon made Dean rusty, and looking for Dean (with one arm) made Sam SUPER AWESOME.

Then they find that Kate has jumped ship yet again.

Back on the road, it's time for another conversation... and part way through this conversation, Kate calls them on her phone, which got left in the car. They agree not to hunt her if she stays good. She purposefully won't use the word promise, but yeah, sounds good to her.

Man, poor Kate's parents though - they've now lost two daughters. And their youngest was dying, got stolen out of her hospital room, and then is going to turn up stabbed in the family cabin months later, inexplicably.

Anyway, Dean finally talks to Sam - I'm not sure if it's hear or earlier, but he basically says that he's embarrassed by it all  - being a demon, hanging out with Crowley (singing Karaoke, no doubt.) After this exchange:
Dean: "Let's say you're right..."
Sam: "About what?"
Dean: "About everything."
- I wanted to make a whole bunch of jokes:
Sam: "So, Albert is Bruce Wayne's real father? And Samurai Jack takes place in the post-apocalyptic distant future of the Powerpuff Girls' universe?" etc...

But no, Dean basically says that maybe he's not ready to be hunting again, but he wants to try to do the right thing, because he's tied of doing everything wrong. Poor Dean.

Then we get the promo for next week! Which, yeah, should be a good one! Wait, is it on next week or the week after? *looks it up* AWww, it's the week after! Aww, shucks.

Oh, I also forgot to say that I loved them playing Werewolves of London at the beginning of the episode.

Okay, that's it, I missed a ton in there, I know - please bring what you think is important to my attention in the comments - or just anything you want to talk about.

Comments

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thursdaysisters
Oct. 29th, 2014 05:35 pm (UTC)
I like that the Boys did a lot of processing in the car, but I'm waiting for Sam to have an aha! moment and suggest they, oh, visit Cain to find out more about the Mark (dude's still alive right?).
hells_half_acre
Oct. 29th, 2014 05:44 pm (UTC)
Haha, I've been waiting for that too! Especially since Cain was like "promise me that once you kill Abaddon, you'll come back and kill me too!" He INVITED Dean back - to kill him, sure, but it counts!

Maybe they can't get the actor for some reason? I don't know, I'm super confused as to why they aren't planning a trip to talk to Cain.
kaybee751
Oct. 29th, 2014 10:18 pm (UTC)
One would think that Timothy Omundson would have a break in filming Galavant to come back to Canada & film another Cain episode. Aside: I can't wait to see Galavant.
katsheswims
Oct. 29th, 2014 05:37 pm (UTC)
I loved all the talking they did! And Dean actually said "Thank You" to Sam. And there was a little exchange back and forth. Made me happy.

Overall a good episode.

Also sad that we have to wait for the next episode, but it looks good!
hells_half_acre
Oct. 29th, 2014 05:42 pm (UTC)
Agreed! I forgot to talk about the "Thank You", but that was a really sweet moment that I think they needed. :)
risenshine22
Oct. 29th, 2014 06:05 pm (UTC)
It was Sunset Marina in West Vancouver - so it was the sea ;) we were there 2 weeks later!
hells_half_acre
Oct. 30th, 2014 12:32 am (UTC)
Yes, I realized this morning that the mountains were all wrong for the Fraser and that it was probably the sea - but ah well.

Cool that you went there! It looks like a nice spot. :)
risenshine22
Oct. 30th, 2014 10:21 am (UTC)
we were there late in the afternoon, we had tons more sunshine than the boys and it was almost deserted. Only a weirdo on a bike claiming to be security came around and got really strange (in a bad way) when asked about SPN being there. So, I guess Russ Hamilton had one of those not so good days with that nut hanging around. There were lots of boats there on the parking lot. And after going down that steep hill, I'm still wondering how they get the boats least the trailers down there. I will add a few more pics to my Facebook page, if you want to have a look! It's Bettina Katzenberger. Valerie has me on her friends list there.
pushistyj_koshk
Oct. 29th, 2014 09:35 pm (UTC)
Ok, not my favourite episode. The whole werewolf story - boooooring. And too much like Alex Annie Alexis Ann. The dialogues - not that good. The whole "I'm awesome" spiel by Tasha (?) - too much like Ruby in 4x22.

I liked the Winchester stuff though :) And the actress that plays Kate is sooo pretty :))

And I'll be back with more thoughts after I've read your post.
pushistyj_koshk
Oct. 29th, 2014 10:03 pm (UTC)
Re: Then we join up with Sam and Dean, who are hanging out on the Fraser river somewhere, pretending it's a beach. Haha, adorable. I also like their dorky sunglasses. And I love that their version of a vacation is just... what it is... like, just sitting down by a river with beers in the sunshine. It's cool though, to see them having "we-time" and, I suppose, trying to reconnect and actually put the past behind them. Actually losing his brother caused Sam to shelve all his grudges immediately, and actually getting lost caused Dean to shelve his grudges too... or at least, they're working on it. But they ARE working on it - almost mindfully, which is I guess what is wonderful to see.

My favourite part of the episode, actually. And the glasses! Did the buy them at a gas-station somewhere? :)


Re: So, it's time to dress up as sexy park-rangers for halloween

My second favourite part of the episode :) I loved the dress-ups! They should do it more often :)


Re: On the way, Kate falls asleep... and Sam and Dean talk.

I kept thinking the dialogue was staged for Kate to hear for some reason (like maybe Sam did come up with a plan B), but nope. I'm glad it wasn't, though. Did the Winchesters actually talk? Using words and stuff?


Re: Sam and Dean go into the house and Sam finds the sister, but unfortunately, she is not alone. She's made her own pack out of scuzzy looking dudes.

Those werewolves were ridiculous! 90's porn much? Not that I would know anything about that :)


Re: Meanwhile, Dean makes a blow-job joke in the other room.

He did? I missed that :( Oh, while I'm at it - the episode had too many puns for my liking.


Re: Wait, is it on next week or the week after? *looks it up* AWww, it's the week after

No! Really? Why, show, why? It better be a good episode then!
hells_half_acre
Oct. 30th, 2014 12:37 am (UTC)
And the glasses! Did the buy them at a gas-station somewhere? :)

Apparently they're Prada! Haha, to me, they look like cheap gas-station sunglasses, like the kind that me and my siblings used to buy for $5 when we were kids. Sorry Prada.

I kept thinking the dialogue was staged for Kate to hear for some reason (like maybe Sam did come up with a plan B), but nope.

That's what I thought was going to happen too! But, ah well... it was still really nice that they had a talk.

Those werewolves were ridiculous! 90's porn much? Not that I would know anything about that :)

Haha! I know! I mean, I know she's a teenager, but she's not even a teenager of the 90s! Have a little more imagination kid!

He did? I missed that :( Oh, while I'm at it - the episode had too many puns for my liking.

Yeah, when the guys says "On your knees!" Dean says, "I'm flattered..."

I didn't even notice any puns... o.O

No! Really? Why, show, why? It better be a good episode then!

Well, it's the 200th so it'll be an EVENT anyway. I think it was Jensen at VanCon who said that he thinks fans are either going to really love it or really hate it - so it should be interesting!
pushistyj_koshk
Oct. 30th, 2014 07:36 am (UTC)
Apparently they're Prada! Haha, to me, they look like cheap gas-station sunglasses, like the kind that me and my siblings used to buy for $5 when we were kids. Sorry Prada.

Prada?! Ouch. Sucks to be you, Prada. They reminded me of Aerosmith's 'Crazy', where the girls would steal lame stuff at the gas-station.


Re: Yeah, when the guys says "On your knees!" Dean says, "I'm flattered..."

I didn't even notice any puns... o.O


Oh, that must suit Dean :)

Well, not puns then - I must be using the word wrong. Yep, I definitely am. It was late when I wrote the comment, forgive me :) Just the abundance of forced jokes like "Mary-Kate and Ashley back there" and the one about the fictional (?) famous lumberjack (I've forgotten the name by now but I had to google it :)) Anyway, there were quite a few of them. The 'I'm flattered' one must have been good though :) And the ''You were a demon? Really?"/"I was a demon? Really?" were good :)


Well, it's the 200th so it'll be an EVENT anyway. I think it was Jensen at VanCon who said that he thinks fans are either going to really love it or really hate it - so it should be interesting!

I forgot about that. I'd rather not hate it :((

Edited at 2014-10-30 08:39 am (UTC)
hells_half_acre
Oct. 30th, 2014 09:39 am (UTC)
Ah, okay, I understand what you mean - sort of, the more forced "joke" references. I didn't mind the Paul Bunyun (spelling?) comment, but yeah, the Mary-Kate and Ashley comment made me cringe.
pushistyj_koshk
Oct. 30th, 2014 09:47 am (UTC)
Oh, and also the "Take them. Have some fun. Oh, and I want a heart to go. Put it in a doggy bag." The doggy bag joke, really? REALLY?

As you can tell, I didn't like this character much :)
hells_half_acre
Oct. 30th, 2014 09:49 am (UTC)
True. Especially since that's the sort of joke that should be made by the person who ISN'T the werewolf to make fun of the werewolf.
percysowner
Oct. 29th, 2014 11:20 pm (UTC)
I think they did retcon their own werewolf mythology though. I think they said that werewolves 4 generations removed could control when they turned, but not anything beyond that. But the sister's (Tasha maybe?) pack would have been 5th generation, but they were still controlling when they turned. I'm not motivated to actually check, I'll admit, but that was how I remembered it.

I do wish that the boys had told Kate about Garth and the peaceable werewolf pack so she could find a supportive community to help her stay clean, but oh, well, maybe she'll find them on her own, or come back and they can tell her then.
hells_half_acre
Oct. 30th, 2014 12:31 am (UTC)
True, they could control the shift, but they couldn't resist the blood-lust - so, is that really control?

I think the guys just didn't have a chance to tell Kate about Garth. The only time they talked to her openly was at the diner, and Dean lied to her and said there was a cure - which meant that he couldn't then give her the name of a werewolf that she could go live with, because why would she if she could be cured? And then, of course, after the lie, she'd probably not trust them to send her anywhere - "Yeah, sure, go see this 'friend' of ours, he's totally not going to kill you for us."
borgmama1of5
Oct. 30th, 2014 03:06 am (UTC)
Sam: "So, Albert is Bruce Wayne's real father? And Samurai Jack takes place in the post-apocalyptic distant future of the Powerpuff Girls' universe?" etc...

My mind went to the same place--that may actually be a little scary :)

Best part of the ep IMO ws that the whole thing was about Sam and Dean...long time since that's happened.

I must have read too many good fanfics to be very satisfied with the brother 'attempted' conversations in this, though. My main reaction was wanting to throttle both of them for not saying what they meant...
hells_half_acre
Oct. 30th, 2014 03:39 am (UTC)
My mind went to the same place--that may actually be a little scary :)

Obviously, we are both awesome. ;)

I must have read too many good fanfics to be very satisfied with the brother 'attempted' conversations in this, though. My main reaction was wanting to throttle both of them for not saying what they meant...

Yeah, I differ from you slightly in that I tend to hate the way they talk in fanfic and love the fact that on the show it's always an 'attempted' conversation that sometimes reaches it's goal and sometimes doesn't, and sometimes comes out a mixed bag. Now, with the caveat that last year they REALLY overdid it with the miscommunication to the point where even I was frustrated - but I like conversations like these where they DO communicate, but it's stumbled and vague, and just, so much more what real life heavy conversations are like, problems and all.
shadowsong26
Oct. 30th, 2014 03:12 am (UTC)
This was a fun episode. I'm overall not as fond of the MotW episodes as the mytharc ones, but this was pretty solid. And I love the Winchesters-on-their-day-off moment at the beginning because...IDK, I like moments like that. As much as I like the super-heavy crap, a break once in a while, at least at the opening or tail of an episode, fleshes out the world so much, y'know?

And they do seem to be actively working on their crap! Which is wonderful and amazing.

I totally missed what the sign says!

I think you're right, about why Sam stopped Dean from killing her. Although she was pretty transparently covering for someone, and maybe he picked up on that a little? IDK.

That's a very good point, about Little Sister's lack of control really fitting in with the Bitten mythology...didn't pick up on that, I think because I haven't rewatched Bitten recently, so.

SO MUCH SASSING BACK AND FORTH I LOVE IT.

Oh, the hug-stabby thing. I saw it coming, and it was...yeah.

Also, Sam is kind of phenominally badass. I love it.

- I wanted to make a whole bunch of jokes:
Sam: "So, Albert is Bruce Wayne's real father? And Samurai Jack takes place in the post-apocalyptic distant future of the Powerpuff Girls' universe?" etc...


Heeeee that would have been awesome. Kind of out of place in the moment but yes.

Anyway. Yeah. I don't really have much to say, other than this was a pretty good episode--though I kind of wish that, instead of lying out his ass about the cure, Sam and Dean had tried to make contact with Garth or something, as another way of trying to keep these girls on the straight and narrow, 'cause I think Garth is adorable and then Kate wouldn't be on her own at the end...but mostly, I really liked this episode because it felt like a real step in the right direction in a lot of ways? So it makes me hopeful for the boys' future.

Then again, I know what show I'm watching, so I guess we'll find out soon enough how it'll all blow up in their faces, lol. Still, I like where they are now, I'm gonna enjoy it. ^_^
hells_half_acre
Oct. 30th, 2014 03:44 am (UTC)
Agreed on all points!

Anyway. Yeah. I don't really have much to say, other than this was a pretty good episode--though I kind of wish that, instead of lying out his ass about the cure, Sam and Dean had tried to make contact with Garth or something, as another way of trying to keep these girls on the straight and narrow, 'cause I think Garth is adorable and then Kate wouldn't be on her own at the end...

I've been discussing it with another friend, and she thinks that the purposefully didn't do that in order to leave that door open in the future - if they sent Kate off to Garth and had her join a happy-settled pack, there'd be less opportunity to use her again in the future, or to perhaps have a Kate storyline involving Garth in the future. Of course, the other alternative is that the writers just didn't want to bring up Garth because they feel they've laid his story to rest and he's kind of been "written out" of the Winchester's lives... which you know is the more cynical take on why he wasn't brought up at all.

Then again, I know what show I'm watching, so I guess we'll find out soon enough how it'll all blow up in their faces, lol. Still, I like where they are now, I'm gonna enjoy it. ^_^

Same here. :)
supernutjapan
Oct. 30th, 2014 12:36 pm (UTC)
My comment disappeared!

So I'm going to write it again, but I'll try to make it shorter.

I totally thought the glasses made the boys look like a bunch of mafia or something. I'd rather look at their eyes. TAKE THOSE OFF!! I don't care if they are prada. ug.

Luckily, Kate actually is around and saves the day.
Dean seems to be quite weak after his ordeal aye? Kate saves Sam twice and Sam does the rest. Dean's definitely not ready physically for hunting.

Though, yeah, waking up in a car wearing a hospital robe with your runaway sister that you haven't seen or heard from in nearly two years has gotta be freaky...then add on top of that finding out that werewolves exist and you are one? Yeah...not the best day, but still better than being dead!

Are you being sarcastic?;)
Sounds very similar to what Dean did to Sam in Season 9 aye? Sam wasn't exactly happy - I wonder if Trisha or Tanya or whatever her name is was resentful too. Maybe that is why she rebelled against her sister. From the way Kate was talking, and how her sister acts later, it sounded like Kate was satisfied that they were together - not that they both were.

Interesting that Sam takes Kate's side now, while Dean says they should both be killed. It kind of proved to me that what Sam was angry about last season was not so much the way he was saved, but his insecurities about being worthy to be saved(at the price of other people's lives). And that's changed now that he's been in Dean's shoes. I'd also bet that Dean is now feeling how Sam felt then(considering the "innocents" that were killed), and might be a little resentful of Sam for saving him.

But we'll see.

hells_half_acre
Oct. 30th, 2014 03:50 pm (UTC)
I agree about the sunglasses.

And, I wasn't being sarcastic - but then, I really do like werewolves, so maybe I'm just not being sympathetic enough.

I disagree with you about why Sam was mad at Dean. Yes, there was an element of other people dying "because" Sam lived, but I think that's not actually something that Sam was mad at Dean about, more himself, though he may have projected it onto Dean.

Likewise, I don't think we were really meant to connect THAT part of the story to the sisters. Tasha certainly didn't seem to regret the bodies, that was more Kate's thing - Kate who was trying to protect her sister who was a monster. So, I think it's more about Sam helping demon!Dean than it is about Dean saving Sam.

And yeah, Tasha may have preferred to be dead, but if that were the case, I think she could have easily made that happen - after all, I'm sure Kate explained why she carried a silver dagger with her at all times. Tasha always had a way to undo what Kate had done. It seems to me that she preferred living as a werewolf to death and obviously found it freeing, as she was strong and didn't have to let people walk all over her anymore - which isn't that dissimilar to demon!Dean telling Sam that he "liked the disease."

I don't think Dean's resentful for Sam saving him. He might be resentful for turning into a demon, but that wasn't Sam's doing - until he gets the Mark removed (which he did to himself), he can't die.

But again, all just my opinion, and we'll have to see!
ithuriel788
Nov. 10th, 2014 04:13 pm (UTC)
Yanno, I just noticed that the way they got distracted and let Kate get away is a lot like the way they got distracted and let Abaddon get away (and set in motion the whole MoC mess). They've really got to stop doing that.
hells_half_acre
Nov. 10th, 2014 07:00 pm (UTC)
True. Though, arguably, slightly less worrisome with Kate. Also, at least with Kate, they were forced out of the room - with Abaddon they both left willingly, which was stupid.
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