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Quick Reaction: 10x01 Black

Wow, I can't believe I just wrote 10x01... the episode number is a palindrome.

Okay, there's SO MUCH TO TALK ABOUT, and I have to be up early tomorrow, so let's see if I can do this in any sort of succint manner.

Standard Disclaimer: I have only watched the episode once. I was drinking at the time. I will get things out of order and I may get things slightly wrong, especially quotes, unless it is a major plot or character point, please don't bother correcting me.

To the episode...

So, we start an indeterminate time in the future... I'm guessing four months, which will make timelining easier (I'll timeline this episode later this week).

I love the opening with the demon chained up being tortured, talking about how she hadn't believed that one of the Winchesters was a demon, but now she's convinced because the person torturing her is "soulless" and then the camera pans and it's...SAM! SO AWESOME. I love the parallel between evil and the things we do for love. There's an amazing a softer world "comic" about it that is oft remixed in many a fandom. (And I've said it before, and I'll say it again, if you like beautiful words, love, queerness, and horror, you should really check out Joey Comeau's writing).

Then we cut to 4 weeks later, and Sam's still trying to find Dean... and we learn that Dean left a note, "Sammy, let me go" and that's all Sam knows... and then Sam gets a lead and calls Cas... and we find out that Cas is somewhere else, slowly dying. :(

The phone call is pretty heartbreaking for a lot of reasons. 1) We find out that Sam's shoulder is in a sling because Cas WAS helping Sam look for Dean (and my god, I wish we could have seen that - you know how I love my Sassy), and because Cas is not doing so great, I guess he wasn't the best backup and some demon ended up breaking Sam's shoulder...and Cas can't heal anymore, and yeah... sad times forever. 2) Sam's so excited about the lead, but then realizes that Cas is in no shape to go hunting, and so he pretends like it wasn't a lead, because he doesn't want Cas to feel bad. 3) Cas misses Dean. 4) I guess there's nothing really that Sam can do for Cas, but it makes me kind of sad that Cas is somewhere ELSE slowly dying instead of in the bunker... like, why isn't Sam looking after him? Maybe that was Cas' decision, but it's still sad that he's all alone and Sam is too worried about finding Dean to look after the "family" he still has. Though, again, Cas is probably the type that wouldn't want Sam to put his needs ahead of Dean's anyway.

Meanwhile, elsewhere, Dean is living it up in a scuzzy bar, singing karaoke, getting drunk, having sex with the waitress... and at first you think that Dean's decended into a life of hedonism, like all the previews suggested, but then we soon learn that there IS actually a bit of Dean still in there... because we find out that the only people he seems to be killing are demons, he beats a guy bloody, but at least the guy is a sleaze who seems to be mistreating Dean's waitress girlfriend... and for the most part, Dean's "howling at the moon" really is just REGULAR "howling at the moon" - he's playing foosball, he's singing bad karaoke, and he's getting stupidly drunk, but that's about it.

While we're learning all this, Sam follows his lead to the source and sees footage of Dean killing the dude in the convience store. I think this is the first time Sam's SEEN Dean since he died.... and also, once he gets the police guy to leave the office, the first time he confirms that Dean has black eyes.

He follows-up at the Gas'n'Sip (and did I mention how much I love the fact that Supernatural has it's own chains? Because I do), and the clerk at first comes across as an idiot, but then he majorly sasses Sam and is actually pretty awesome. The clerk's name was Mickey, and we decided that we liked him. I also loved how he had dubbed Dean "porn guy" because when he walked in he said "where's the porn?" and that's just... I mean, that's what you do when you have that sort of job. Your customers are named after whatever stands out about them first.

On the topic of fake chains though - there was actually some real (unintentional) product placement in the episode, because Sam had Avalon milk on his cereal... which is, as you may have guess by now, a milk company out here that sells their milk in old fashioned glass bottles.

We find out that dead-demon-dude was in touch with Crowley, who Sam calls... and threatens, and it's an another awesome scene. There were so many things I liked about it.
1) The misadventures of Crowley and Squirrel. HA! I'm looking forward to seeing the fan mock-ups for the cover of the graphic novels.
2) As cruel as it was, I liked that Crowley said that he and Dean were beginning to think that Sam "hit another dog." Mainly because on the surface it sounds horrible, but if you think about it, Dean could ACTUALLY be HOPING that's what Sam chooses to do - let him go and get a normal life. Again, I don't have MUCH to go on in this episode, but Dean doesn't SEEM evil - if he wanted Sam dead, he'd just kill him, I think - I think he left and has been laying low for a reason. But I'll get to that later.
3) Sam thinking that Crowley had a demon possess Dean's dead body, and then being told that DEAN'S the demon was heartbreaking to watch, but very cool to see happen. I liked the fact that we got that moment.
4) The fact that the whole time Sam was tracing the call, that he was making those threats slowly and deliberately for a reason. That he didn't lose his cool at any point and give up the game - YES, we find out that Crowley knew the whole time what Sam was doing and LET him do it in order to get Dean to get a move on, but it's still really awesome that Sam still the smart guy he's always been.

Anyway, while all this is going on, we see some military dude get faxed Dean's picture and then load up all his guns and stuff and hit the road. And then I promptly forgot about him.

And yes, I know Cas is doing stuff all throughout this, but I'll talk about him in a block at the end, for now, I'll just stick to Sam and Dean.

What I also loved about the phone call to Sam was the fact that Crowley talked about how much fun he and Dean are having, and then he goes to talk to Dean and we find out that Crowley has HAD IT. He can't take it anymore. This is where we find out that Dean basically decided to "howl at the moon" by becoming a more depressing version of Ash. He found a roadhouse and he just stayed - not only that, but he found a roadhouse with a BLOND WAITRESS and he just stayed... I mean, there are so many psychological things happening here, I can't help but feel.

And Dean's response to Crowley telling him that Sam's on his way? Get completely plastered. And when the waitress confronts him with the truth? That she thought he was a good guy pretending to be bad, but that she's basically realized that whatever he's doing at that roadhouse it's all about HIS issues and it has nothing to do with her, because he is majorly messed up... well, she's so spot on that Dean's vicious to her while agreeing, that he's just a guy who sleeps with every "skank" he finds along the way... and it's SUCH a defensive insult, I mean, *I've* done that before. It basically is just a cutting version of Dean's usual comebacks of  "I'm not stupid, you're stupid!" And the thing with defensive insults is that you tend to use them when you have something to defend, which is another tally mark in the "Dean still has Dean's feelings" scoreboard. I mean, Dean has always had horrible self-esteem, I think as a demon, we're basically just seeing him at the absolute bottom of that self-esteem.

Also, there's the phrasing Crowley used when telling Dean why he was sending guys after him. Dean has to use the blade occasionally or he "becomes a demon" which...what? I thought Dean WAS a demon. So, maybe Cain ISN'T a demon? And Dean is the new Cain? Maybe the black eyes are something that are temporary? And only occur around first-blade kills? I'm super confused about the relationship between Dean's demonhood and the first blade, I gotta say.

Meanwhile, Sam's on the road and his car breaks down in the most suspicious way possible, and a dude pulls over and walks up in the most creeptastic suspicious way possible, and Sam DOESN'T SEEM TO BE SUSPICIOUS?!? What the hell Sam?! And I asked my friends if I was just being overly sensitive because I'm a woman so I've been trained my whole life to be extremely cautious of any and all men who approach me while I'm alone anywhere at all times of day... but my friend's husband said "Oh yeah, because Sam's lived a charmed life without any evil in it whatsoever. It's not like the car breaking down has happened numourous times before and every time it's been becaue of a demon or a ghost..." so, yeah, Sam, YOU DUMMY!

Anyway, it's at that point that I remembered the military dude from earlier and realized it was the same dude! So, I was slow on the uptake on that one. Also, we had to rewind and watch his last quip to Sam after he nocked him out SEVERAL times before we realized he was saying "I guess you're a righty" because Sam was so easy to take down now that he's only got one arm... man, ENUNCIATE! Geez.

So, while Dean actually does get the hell out of dodge before Sam catches up to him, military dude brings Sam to a warehouse (it's always a warehouse) and ties him to a chair and explains that he's after Dean. Sam guesses that the guy's a hunter, and the guy says "sure, let's say that" which to me means that he's not?! Also, he says that Dean's a monster who did SOMETHING "many moons ago" - which makes me wonder if maybe military dude actually has a beef with Dean from BEFORE Dean was a demon and that military dude might not even know what he's getting into here? Like, maybe military dude doesn't even know about the supernatural?! I don't know... it's just seemed interesting, the language he used.

I loved Sam warning him away though. I love that Sam doesn't make any bones about it (is that the phrase?) that he says Dean's a monster and the guy is better off not going after him - I love that Sam KNOWS Dean. Demon or no. No one hunts Dean or Dean's family and comes out alive.

Sure enough, dude calls Dean and tries to use Sam as a bartering chip or, better said, a lure. Dean has to come, or dude will kill Sam. I like how Sam refuses to give proof of life willingly, but once he's punched and grunts, he DOES call out "Dean!" when the phone has already been taken away. I love how you can see there's so much racing through Sam's head in that moment - the fact that his missing brother is ON THE PHONE, the fact that Dean's a demon and might not even be his brother anymore... ugh... so good. I also love that Dean basically levels the same threat that he leveled at Walt and Roy - he's not coming for Sam, but Dean WILL promise that Dean will kill the dude if they ever cross paths, which is basically the same as saying "go home now, leave my brother alone, or you have my word that I will kill you." And I LOVE love that Dean tells him that Sam knows that at the very least, Dean is a man of his word.

Ugh, so good.

Okay, let's talk about Cas now.

Hannah shows up, and I thought the little open-robe scene was cute. "I'm sensing awkwardness." Hahaha... the funny thing is that you'd think angels wouldn't care about nudity of their vessels at all, but apparently they do.

Heaven is calm, they've made the doorway permanent... I'm guessing maybe the angels are slowly healing their broken wings? There is no ruler in heaven, but they seem to be running it more like a commune or something... things seem to be done by concensus among the angels, which, wow, if you want a super slow government, that's the way to do it. However, the stipulation for all of this seems to be that all angels MUST return to heaven. Except, apparently, Castiel... I guess because he's dying? Or maybe he's agreed to be under heavens command? Maybe it's that all angels have to return to being under heaven's command.

There are apparently two angels refusing, Daniel and Isa... and Hannah wants Castiel's help in going to retrieve them and bring them to justice for killing the angels that had previously gone to retrieve them. On the way there, because they drive.... I guess Hannah can't teleport? I am super confused as to the state of angels at the moment. Do they all still have broken wings even though they're back in heaven? Also, Cas still has his anti-angel warding, so Hannah must have known where he was because he told her.

I liked Hannah getting carsick and Cas apologizing and saying that he'll try to take the turns quicker. Hahaha.

And Hannah, of course, realizes that Cas is dying - but what are they going to do about it? As Cas points out, he'd have to kill another angel to live - and living by killing other people is no way to live. And I guess Hannah can't heal him. I guess once you steal an angel's grace you kNOW You have a limited lifespan, so if we figure that Cas KNEW this when he took Theo's (was that guy's name Theo?) then YIKES, that decision becomes all the more powerful.

So, they catch up with Daniel by a river - and Daniel has basically discovered his own little paradise on earth, and free will, and he doesn't want to loose that - but Hannah is all like "No, that's against the rules" which means that Hannah, and I can't say I blame her, seems to want to restore Heaven to it's S4 days, when there was only order and obedience and lack of faith was a death sentence.

And I find it very interesting that Cas doesn't argue MORE with Hannah here. Because he SHOULD be agreeing wholeheartedly with Daniel - because Cas CHOSE free will himself in S4. He may have chosen it in order to help Dean, but he still chose it. He still championed it and fought to bring it to heaven, only to have it blow up in his face when the other angels only understood obedience. Cas should be super happy that there's FINALLY another angel who GETS IT. I mean, he does do his best to keep Hannah from attacking Daniel out of the gate - he does his best to get them to talk instead - but still, I was surprised that he wasn't more supportive of Daniel. That being said, though, maybe he was playing the long-game... make sure Hannah still believes Cas is on her side, so that he can try to convince her without making her feel attacked.

Sadly, when it comes down to it, Cas chooses to kill Daniel rather than let Daniel kill Hannah. Maybe becauese Hannah is the closest thing that Heaven has to an administrator? Maybe because Cas was unsure about his own future without Hannah around? Maybe because Cas has decided never to rebel from Heaven again? Who knows...

But on the trip back to Cas' dying cabin, or whatever, after convincing Hannah to let Isa stay on the run, Cas and Hannah do talk about free will vs. obedience somemore. Hannah doesn't understand how anyone could like chaos, that chaos is what led to the factions of heaven and the more immoral and murderous angels among them gaining power... and Cas points out that there are other things that come from the chaos - hope and love and suchlike... and Hannah says, "but those are human things!" and Cas is like "well damn." Because what is Cas right now? A dying angel? A once-human? An angel that rebelled FOR HUMANITY?! He's all those things. Cas chose humanity in S4, because he believed in it, because he DID see those things and he understood that they were GOOD. Hannah and I guess most angels in general, see those things and they see them as...nothing... they see them as "human things" that have nothing to do with angels, that angels can't enjoy. And we circle back to Anna all over again. In Cas' ideal heaven, there would be no more Annas, because angels would be able to feel hope and love too, but in Hannah's perfect heaven, well... it'd go back to the way it was - eons and eons of simply living on orders... (I keep wanting to say "to protect and serve" which is the motto of some police department somewhere, but I sort of think it fits with the original mandate given to angels way back when - "don't step on that fish.")

Oh! And on a purely superficial note: I love Dean's longer hair, and I love Sam's stubble. So nice to look at. I wish they would keep those looks, but judging by their more recent Con appearances, I know that they don't.



So, INTERESTING STUFF!

As always, let me know what you thought in comments. Let me know if I missed anything huge that you want to talk about! It was a jam-packed episode, so I'm sure there is plenty that I didn't even touch on.

*and yes, the cut text is a U2 song, so sue me. I know people don't like them these days, but back when Actung Baby first came out, they were the bees knees, and I'm pretty sentimental about that album so it's still on iPod. Also, I really think the line fits, because I feel like Dean, Sam, and Cas, are all outcasts from the communities to which they used to belong.

Comments

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borgmama1of5
Oct. 8th, 2014 08:29 am (UTC)
I thought the episode was weird...It felt to me like it was setting things up but that nothing actually 'happened'...Cas and Hannah had the most complete story in the ep...I thought it would have made more sense to show Sam researching in the bunker and then going out to torture the demon girl...and we never did see if a 'phone call' was was made, so what was that about?

Demon Dean was odd, choosing to revel in lust and drunkenness and violence but not really 'doing' anything...but when he doesn't immediately charge off to save Sam...that was scary!

I wish we could have seen Sam walk in Dean's room and find him missing and then have jumped forward in time...

I suspect this will play much better when watching the eps back-to-back in the season rewatch...
hells_half_acre
Oct. 8th, 2014 08:50 pm (UTC)
I think it's really going to be a two-parter, and this was just the first half. Except, Supernatural is allergic to the phrase "to be continued" or having a PART I and PART II (exception being AHBL, of course), so they don't actually say that.

Though, it's true, it'd be interesting to see whether that demon made a phone call or not - I'm guessing not, or if she did, it wasn't picked up on the other end.

Demon Dean was odd, choosing to revel in lust and drunkenness and violence but not really 'doing' anything...but when he doesn't immediately charge off to save Sam...that was scary!

This is why I have a feeling that there's actually more Dean still in Dean than we were led to believe from the previews or our assumptions - as distressing as that is. I could be wrong, but he kind of reminded me of a drunk teenager - because teenagers tend to act drunker than they are, because they think that's the way you're supposed to act when you drink. They're always the cliches, because they're CONSCIOUSLY being cliches. Again, I'm going on very little evidence here, but I think Dean is disgusted that he's a demon, and so playing the part of a "demon" because he's depressed that that's his life now. It's sort of like a self-punishment. "I'm a horrible person, so I might as well just be a horrible person, because I don't deserve to be a good person" - I think Dean WANTS to go and save Sam, but he doesn't think a demon would do that, so it's yet another thing that's forbidden for him to do now that he's not "good" - so he does the only thing that he thinks is still acceptable for a horrible person to do, and he promises murder.

But, again, I could be optimistically interpreting this. Certainly, there is a lot more to the previews I've seen that suggest that Dean IS horrible, but based on what I've seen so far, I think he's just playing the part.
ratherastory
Oct. 8th, 2014 08:31 am (UTC)
I have no intention of watching S10 (a few spoilers have all but guaranteed that I will hate what they do with Sam), but I think I'll keep up via your recaps instead. They make me way happier than the actual show. :)
hells_half_acre
Oct. 8th, 2014 08:52 pm (UTC)
Oh dear, don't tell me the Sam spoilers, I don't want to know. I'm already dubious of Carver+team's ability to write Sam after the fiasco that was S8a and S9b.

But I'm glad that my recaps make you happy! Hopefully they continue to do so. :)
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missyjack
Oct. 8th, 2014 11:22 am (UTC)
Loved the ep - thought it packed in a lot of character development and setup for the season . Crowley got all the best lines, except for Ga n Sip boy. Sammy needs a hug, and Cas needs - well grace obviously. I love that crowley wants to get back to work. Surely his timelines would be on a longer scale!

I agree that Dean's "howling at the moon" was pretty tame!

The time stamp implied that the ep picks up 4 weeks after Dean's resurrection, and later Dean says its been 6 weeks since he got the first blade.

hells_half_acre
Oct. 8th, 2014 03:29 pm (UTC)
The time stamp implied that the ep picks up 4 weeks after Dean's resurrection, and later Dean says its been 6 weeks since he got the first blade.

Actually, the time stamp indicated it was 4 weeks since Sam tied that demon girl to a try and tortured her for information - and it was 6 MONTHS since Crowley led Dean to the blade. Which was why I figured they probably did the four month skip of summer. But, again, I'll timeline it properly later in the week.

I love that crowley wants to get back to work. Surely his timelines would be on a longer scale!

I guess he wants to strike while the iron is hot. He's got Dean NOW, but Crowley was never one to underestimate the Winchesters and he knows Sam is eventually going to find them.
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fannishliss
Oct. 8th, 2014 12:31 pm (UTC)
thanks for your review. there was a lot to think about in this ep, which I've only seen once so far.

I am sad for Dean, very sad, but I do think there is a chance he is still in there. My only comment while viewing was "they broke my Dean!!" ... which is still my gut feeling... because how could Dean not try to rescue Sammy?? and how could he say something so awful to the Waitress? Yet, there is something in Dean that is like a vengeful version of himself.

I guess I have some ideas about "What he is" at this time... I'll try to ponder at my LJ.

My ep had no trailer for next week!! o_o so I am completely unspoiled. My guess about Cole is that he was some kid Dean pushed in the dirt when they were 12. Or, possibly, Dean had to gank his parent or best friend and Cole doesn't know why. But I'm leaning toward the bullying aspect. We saw Sam implicated in this way in After School Special and odds are high that Dean also did a bad thing at some point -- anyone that mouthy, insecure, with that much attitude, and at some point maybe still interested in establishing himself at a new school, might have been the cruel trigger toward Cole.... which is also reinforced by Dean saying horrible things to waitress girl. ):

hells_half_acre
Oct. 8th, 2014 08:58 pm (UTC)
because how could Dean not try to rescue Sammy?? and how could he say something so awful to the Waitress? Yet, there is something in Dean that is like a vengeful version of himself.

Yes, exactly, as I said in a comment above - I think Dean is acting a bit like a drunk teenager here... because drunk teenagers "act" stereotypically drunk when they drink, because they think that's what they're supposed to do. I think Dean thinks he's a horrible person now, so he HAS to be horrible... but his horribleness is kind of the cliche, you know? Like, it's a tame horribleness. It's drinking, fighting, insults, and porn - yet, if he were TRULY horrible? With someone like Dean? Hell, he'd be a murdering sadistic psychopath.

But we'll see we'll see.

Or, possibly, Dean had to gank his parent or best friend and Cole doesn't know why. But I'm leaning toward the bullying aspect. We saw Sam implicated in this way in After School Special and odds are high that Dean also did a bad thing at some point -- anyone that mouthy, insecure, with that much attitude, and at some point maybe still interested in establishing himself at a new school, might have been the cruel trigger toward Cole.

I think there's no way it could be something that "small" (though I do know that some people break mentally after bullying and make it out to be larger) - but there's no way that he'd pack that kind of arsenal to go after a school-yard bully. I think it had to be something done in the line of hunting. Hell, maybe it was even as far back as why Dean's eyes bled in Bloody Mary - now THAT would be cool, though I doubt that's where they'll take it.
ithuriel788
Oct. 8th, 2014 01:41 pm (UTC)
No trailer for me either. My take on Military Guy (Cole?) is that there is so much potential for a story here in Dean's past. There are so many episodes in which the guys did the right thing, and we the viewers can see it, but the civilians can't, can they? I would love this to tie back to some previous ep in which Dean had done something awesome and heroic that would have looked terrible to someone who didn't have the full story. It would be even more poignant for the payback to be coming now with the state Dean is in. What a great opportunity for the writers! (Yeah, right)

I knew that was Sam in the first scene, the framing gave it away.

Was it just me, or was this episode more mumbly than usual? I had to turn on CC to hear the "Guess you're a righty" line.

ETA: Wait, killing demons is preventing Dean from becoming a demon? Then why does killing demons make his eyes go black? If Crowley were telling the truth (ha) then it seems it should be the other way 'round.

Edited at 2014-10-08 01:50 pm (UTC)
hells_half_acre
Oct. 8th, 2014 09:02 pm (UTC)
I'm hoping you're right about the origins of Cole, but we shall see.

I knew it was Sam in the first scene too, but I liked the fact that you didn't NECESSARILY know right away.

Was it just me, or was this episode more mumbly than usual? I had to turn on CC to hear the "Guess you're a righty" line.

We had the volume turned up super loud because my friends are harder of hearing than I am, but yeah, even we had to listen to that line 4 times and even then, only I finally put it together, because I correctly heard "guess" and my friend correctly heard "righty".

ETA: Wait, killing demons is preventing Dean from becoming a demon? Then why does killing demons make his eyes go black? If Crowley were telling the truth (ha) then it seems it should be the other way 'round.

Yeah, apparently that was just snark on Dean's part - and killing demons just keeps him going out of control with bloodlust.
frozen_delight
Oct. 8th, 2014 01:51 pm (UTC)
I really, really loved it.

Thanks for your review, so many, many good thoughts in there!
hells_half_acre
Oct. 8th, 2014 09:02 pm (UTC)
I'm glad you loved it!

And thanks for reading!
supernutjapan
Oct. 8th, 2014 03:18 pm (UTC)
Dean's "howling at the moon" really is just REGULAR "howling at the moon" - he's playing foosball, he's singing bad karaoke, and he's getting stupidly drunk, but that's about it.
Which fits with the "demons inside Dean" as Crowley said. Basically, the demon PART of Dean took over. And Dean's demon part is all about the vices... and hating himself.

Dean could ACTUALLY be HOPING that's what Sam chooses to do - let him go and get a normal life.
Yes :( I think he is scared of hurting Sam and is staying away because of that. I also think the hurtful things he says to the girl are so that she doesn't get attached to him. He doesn't want to get her hurt.

Dean has to use the blade occasionally or he "becomes a demon" which...what? I thought Dean WAS a demon.
Yea, and Dean's like don't I know it... so they are talking about how Dean became a demon because he did not use his blade on Metatron?

And I find it very interesting that Cas doesn't argue MORE with Hannah here.
Me too! But I guess like he said in 9-23, He just wants to be an angel again. :(

Also, he says that Dean's a monster who did SOMETHING "many moons ago" - which makes me wonder if maybe military dude actually has a beef with Dean from BEFORE Dean was a demon and that military dude might not even know what he's getting into here?

I'm totally thinking Amy's son here :P He talks about how he's the monster now aye?!

Enjoyed the review!

hells_half_acre
Oct. 8th, 2014 09:04 pm (UTC)
Yes :( I think he is scared of hurting Sam and is staying away because of that. I also think the hurtful things he says to the girl are so that she doesn't get attached to him. He doesn't want to get her hurt.

Agreed, agreed.

Yea, and Dean's like don't I know it... so they are talking about how Dean became a demon because he did not use his blade on Metatron?

Apparently that line from Dean about becoming a demon was just snark - and what they're talking about is controlling Dean's bloodlust, which apparently gets worse the longer he doesn't use the blade.

I'm totally thinking Amy's son here :P He talks about how he's the monster now aye?!

Yeah, but Cole is far too old to be Amy's son. Also, I think if he were a monster, he wouldn't be going after Dean with guns, but rather whatever monster ability he has.
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katsheswims
Oct. 8th, 2014 03:26 pm (UTC)
Definitely a lot going on in the episode. I was surprised they jumped forward in time (twice). I hope we'll get to see what happened there in flashbacks or something...And I think it's been six months since the end of season 9 for them (Crowley says something like I've been letting you howl for six months at the bar). So I think that puts the beginning with Sam torturing the demon at 5 months, then the 4 weeks skip puts us at six months. Though maybe I misheard...

As usual love your reviews!
hells_half_acre
Oct. 8th, 2014 09:05 pm (UTC)
Apparently, it's been 6 months since Blade Runners, and 6 weeks since the end of S9 - but I'll timeline later in the week and confirm all this.

Glad you liked the review!
watchingbees
Oct. 8th, 2014 04:31 pm (UTC)
jerk & bitch
what got to me was the jerk & bitch exchange between dean & crowley. that was the point where i was like, 'whoa, whoa, whoa, wait just a god damn minute, what just happened??'

loved the episode but definitely felt like part 1 of a 2 parter.

btw, this is my first time commenting although i love you so so much!!
hells_half_acre
Oct. 8th, 2014 09:07 pm (UTC)
Re: jerk & bitch
what got to me was the jerk & bitch exchange between dean & crowley. that was the point where i was like, 'whoa, whoa, whoa, wait just a god damn minute, what just happened??'

Yup, that was basically our "something is rotten in the state of Denmark" line.

loved the episode but definitely felt like part 1 of a 2 parter.

Agreed!

btw, this is my first time commenting although i love you so so much!!

I love you too, fellow human on this earth! Thanks for commenting! :)
grasshopr_molly
Oct. 8th, 2014 09:02 pm (UTC)
Can we, by the way, discuss some parallels? Can we talk about a mostly-fallen Cas, driving at night, discussing with his passenger the pros and cons of being human?

"Hope, love and dreams", I'll grant you, is better than "women and decadence".
hells_half_acre
Oct. 8th, 2014 09:10 pm (UTC)
Can we, by the way, discuss some parallels? Can we talk about a mostly-fallen Cas, driving at night, discussing with his passenger the pros and cons of being human?

"Hope, love and dreams", I'll grant you, is better than "women and decadence".


Ooo, good eye. That IS a very interesting parallel. Especially given that the last time Castiel fell (S5) he was well on track to be the End!Cas by the end of the season - "hope, love, and dreams" suggests that he might be off that road now, if he were to remain fallen.
pushistyj_koshk
Oct. 8th, 2014 09:08 pm (UTC)
It was good. I liked it. There! :)
hells_half_acre
Oct. 8th, 2014 09:10 pm (UTC)
Haha, yay! :)
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metallidean_grl
Oct. 8th, 2014 09:38 pm (UTC)
I have mixed feelings about the episode. I think they tried to cover too many things, too much going on, but like borgmama said, it was probably setting things up for the next several episodes. This was definitely not one of their better premiere episodes. It just felt disjointed to me.

Could care less about the angel storyline. I am so confused, as you stated. Do they have their wings back? Can the still not teleport? I don't understand what's going on there. They really do need to wrap the angel storyline up - except Cas, because, well, I still don't really care about them.

I'm also confused about Dean - is he a demon, is he not a demon. There were some comments in there that I just had to go "HUH!?" But Crowley and Dean buds? I think not. It kinda looked to me that Dean was humoring Crowley. I did love it though that Dean did not sit when Crowley told him to sit. I do think that relationship is not as copacetic as Crowley led Sam to believe. I didn't know demons could get drunk. Since they don't live by the same rules as humans, it kinda surprised me that Dean actually got drunk. Dean was interesting to me. I kinda think he's a little torn between demon and humanity, which is what prompted him to get drunk, like you said. Still not liking this new version of fake Dean. Want our real Dean back, NOW!

I did have loads of empathy for Sam. My heart broke for him. I thought it was cool, though, that they did the callback to Sam not looking for Dean from S8. This is a whole different Sam we have here, and I am glad for it. Sam looks so lost and broken with what his brother is and how things were left between them when he died.

As for Cole, not sure about him yet. He obviously doesn't know ANYTHING about Dean Winchester, except the fact that he killed his father. I wonder if his father was some monster and Cole wasn't aware of it, or was his father collateral damage from a hunt gone wrong. I look forward to finding out the back story. But, Cole really will rue the day he went looking for Dean. I can't wait to see that encounter. Dean actually did the best thing in their little conversation by telling him to go ahead and kill Sam, but beware, I make good on my promises. That would stop me dead cold from carrying out a death threat like that.

All in all, the episode was okay. I am intrigued how the next couple of episodes will play out though.
hells_half_acre
Oct. 8th, 2014 09:47 pm (UTC)
They really do need to wrap the angel storyline up - except Cas, because, well, I still don't really care about them.

I think they might be going to - though, who knows. It sounds like things are calming down in heaven, so perhaps this season will focus more on the brothers and possibly saving Cas, but not so much on angel politics. Who knows though, that was just the feeling I got from the little bit we saw of the angels in this episode - and it WAS very much a "part 1" episode and not meant to be a standalone, I don't think.

Things are DEFINITELY not how Crowley described them to Sam on the phone. And I think it'll be fun to watch Crowley not get anything he wants to get from Dean - because I think he set Dean up with a specific goal in mind, but can't actually control what he created, and it's probably going to be his undoing.

He obviously doesn't know ANYTHING about Dean Winchester, except the fact that he killed his father. I wonder if his father was some monster and Cole wasn't aware of it, or was his father collateral damage from a hunt gone wrong.

Was that in the episode or did you just spoil me?! I don't remember him saying that Dean killed his father - but maybe I just missed it?

Anyhoo, I definitely agree that Cole has no idea what he's getting into. It kind of reminds me a little bit of Hendricksen, actually... only, obviously, a bit more dangerous, since he's a vigilante out for revenge rather than justice.
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shadowsong26
Oct. 9th, 2014 04:16 am (UTC)
Yay, new season :D

That opening with Sam and the demon girl was overall amazing. Although there were some weird camera angles at the end that I'm not sure I get the point of? Weird on Sam's face, anyway. IDK. (Side note--when my roommate and I were watching this scene, we were like "this. This is why Sam didn't look for Dean in s8. This and Ruby. And also a minor breakdown but even if there had been no breakdown...this." And then there was the deliberate callback to that later so...yay!)

Basically, seconding everything you have to say on Cas and Sam's phone call. And maybe we'll get flashbacks to Sam and Cas working together? One can hope...

Dean and Crowley are so much fun. Dean being almost happy, and Crowley just out of patience with his shiny new Knight who won't do what he wants. Almost as if he didn't make a habit of thumbing his nose at authority when he was alive...hm...

I like the clerk too!

I don't necessarily think Dean would be hoping that Sam had gone out and hit another dog, exactly...but you may be right. Something to ponder as we find out more of what the hell (heh) kind of demon Dean is now. Because, I mean, Cain seemed to have (or develop?) some sort of conscience/desire for the people he considered his to be happy...after all, once he retired, he left the Knights alone until they started coming after him.

Roommate and I about cheered when we saw Sam's tracker. It's so nice when the boys remember how smart they are.

Yeah, IDEK waht's going on with that 'becomes a demon' line. I read somewhere else that maybe it was like a..."yeah, I got that memo six weeks ago WHEN IT HAPPENED" and there's yet another thing that Crowley's hiding from him? Or maybe it's just about keeping the bloodlust sated so Dean can still function enough to do Crowley's bidding? (though, see above note about Dean + bidding = NEVER ENDED WELL FOR THE BIDDER)

The car thing was a bit of an idiot ball moment for Sam, for sure.

I reeeeeeally wanna know where military dude intersected with Dean. And how he intersected. Whether or not it was mundane. Either way, pretty cool setup :D

The whole Sam-as-hostage bit was...oh man, I really liked it. For all the reasons you said, and for the hints that Dean is a new Cain rather than a new Knight in the Abaddon mold, where he has some vestige of...I don't want to say conscience, or principle exactly but...ugh. I really don't know how to word what I want to say, but it has to do with possible lack of empathy but still having a 'fuck you, you don't fuck with this person BECAUSE I WILL TEAR YOU DOWN IF YOU DO' and basically I have a Thing for empathy-devoid characters who are still doggedly loyal to the people they choose to be loyal to. And if they can't--or won't--save them for whatever reason, they will END YOU SO HARD.

Anyway, I really like the idea of Demon!Dean being that with regard to Sam. Who knows if it'll play out that way, though. Time will tell.

(Also, that was not a nice way to end the episode :( DEFINITELY agreeing with the comments on how it felt like the first half of a two-parter rather than a standalone. Sigh.)

I have no idea what's going on with the angels right now. Hopefully it'll be explained better in the future. Also, is it just me, or is Hannah a lot...meaner than she was last season? IDK, I haven't actually rewatched her episodes recently, so I might just be remembering wrong, but...IDK.

Very interesting thought on whether or not Cas knew the Grace-stealing would be automatic death sentence...I kind of had the feeling that it was like an organ transplant? So, like, not necessarily a 100% chance of death, but if you're not very careful about donor compatibility...and Cas just grabbed the angel/Grace that was available at the time, or something. So. IDK.

Anyway. Not sure where most of this is going, but I'm certainly intrigued for what happens next :D
hells_half_acre
Oct. 9th, 2014 05:29 am (UTC)
Side note--when my roommate and I were watching this scene, we were like "this. This is why Sam didn't look for Dean in s8. This and Ruby. And also a minor breakdown but even if there had been no breakdown...this." And then there was the deliberate callback to that later so...yay!

Very true! I still support the psychotic break theory, because I think it fits in better with the mythology. But I also think that Sam has actually learned from his mistakes in the past, and he KNOWS how morally corrupt he can get when it comes to saving Dean, and it probably scares him.

Almost as if he didn't make a habit of thumbing his nose at authority when he was alive...hm...

Exactly, I'm not sure Crowley's thought this one through.

Because, I mean, Cain seemed to have (or develop?) some sort of conscience/desire for the people he considered his to be happy...after all, once he retired, he left the Knights alone until they started coming after him.

Also a very good point! We shall see. I think, as you mention later in the comic, that it comes down to Dean being the new Cain rather than a Night of Hell. I mean, yes, Cain made the Knights of Hell, but the Knights of Hell didn't have the Mark of Cain... but DEAN has the Mark of Cain, and that's something entirely separate.

Or maybe it's just about keeping the bloodlust sated so Dean can still function enough to do Crowley's bidding?

I'm thinking it's this now.

Also, is it just me, or is Hannah a lot...meaner than she was last season? IDK, I haven't actually rewatched her episodes recently, so I might just be remembering wrong, but...IDK.

Yeah, I thought similarly - but then, she was always sort of black-and-white about things, now that I think of it. So, maybe it's not so much a departure as just us now having time enough with the character to notice it.

Very interesting thought on whether or not Cas knew the Grace-stealing would be automatic death sentence...I kind of had the feeling that it was like an organ transplant? So, like, not necessarily a 100% chance of death, but if you're not very careful about donor compatibility...and Cas just grabbed the angel/Grace that was available at the time, or something.

This is a pretty good analogy, because I actually know someone who died really young due to complications from an organ transplant - I mean, they lived for years after the organ transplant, but it wasn't enough to keep them alive to old age... it just gave them maybe a decade or so (I only knew them for their last five years), which is nothing to sneeze at, but still... I'm sure when they originally had the transplant, they hoped for longer. I mean, the rest of us certainly hoped for longer.

Maybe Cas knew it'd eventually kill him, but he also knew he was already human and that would eventually kill him too... so, maybe he just hoped that the lifespans would at least match up.

Holy crap, I've depressed myself.

Anyway. Not sure where most of this is going, but I'm certainly intrigued for what happens next :D

Same here! :)
marlowe78
Oct. 12th, 2014 12:41 pm (UTC)
Hey there! I'm so happy we got to more show - finally! And I'm so happy that you're still doing your awesome recaps, so I'll just jump on the wagon again and bother you with my insights and ideas and...well, just basically bother you.

which is another tally mark in the "Dean still has Dean's feelings" scoreboard.

Yeah, Dean being a looser version of the same Dean had been my impression as well. Especially when he punched that sleaze-guy who bothered the waitress: if he'd REALLY been just a bad boy, or a demon... why choose to punch THAT guy? Out of all the possibilities for punching someone, why the one that was being assholish to the Jo-stand-in? I think that there are things inside Dean that are so damn ingrained in him - like wanting to help people and liking women and wanting to defend them - that not even black eyes and the whispers of the demon on his shoulder could change that.
Sure, no reins means no shame. He shamelessly goes for porn, he shamelessly punches a guy WAY over the top and he shamelessly sleeps with the waitress in Crowley's bed (yak!). And he shamelessly insults the girl. No matter why he did it - he does it and he's not ashamed. That's what I took out of that episode when it came to Dean's demoness.

so, yeah, Sam, YOU DUMMY!

Totally agree. Seriously... what the hell? Has he learned NOTHING??? My first thought when the car broke down was "demon!!" - why wasn't it Sam's first thought? Has he slept the last ten years, or what? *shakes head* Maybe he was on painkillers for his shoulder.

Sam guesses that the guy's a hunter, and the guy says "sure, let's say that" which to me means that he's not?!
I was paying attention to him in the first place, and I never thought he was a hunter. Wrong arsenal, definitely. Except for the flask with the cross on it, I didn't see much hunter-equipment in his weapon's locker. Way too many guns.


Oh, and I ADORE Crowley. He's delicious.

Also, it's a very interesting power-dynamic between Dean and Crowley. While Crowley is the one who is whispering things into Dean's ear, probably telling him sweet lies (or not? maybe sweet truths) and seducing him to the dark side, he clearly NEEDS Dean for something. He wants him, and he needs him to be there willingly, needs him to WANT to be with Crowley. He tries to take him away from Sam (and man, it's getting more and more like a romance-drama, though I'm not at all talking about romantic feelings!) and have him bound to himself - rule Hell on his side? Really?

Way, WAY interesting. BUT: the power is clearly in Dean's possession. He might not know it yet, might not realize he's being played (Hmmm... not sure if he maybe does know and just doesn't care?) but he's the one Crowley needs. And if he wanted to, he could make Crowley do what he wants. Like - I'm wishing that would happen! - send Mr King-of-Hell to that military-dude and have him deal with Sam's attacker. (Seriously, that would be... yeah. So damn cool.) Basically, Dean COULD have Crowley behave like his own personal Hellhound (as long as Crowley would let it happen and not decided to cut his losses - the King of Hell is not stupid). So that's such an interesting relationship... seriously interesting.

I also still think Crowley is a bit fond of Dean. Not like he'd spare him if he had no need for him anymore... Or... maybe? He's let him get away a lot of times (Sam too, of course) when he could've just killed him. He's always keeping him as some asset that can be used, and as long as he's useful, he'll let him do what Dean wants to do.

Yeah... I adore Crowley.






marlowe78
Oct. 12th, 2014 12:42 pm (UTC)
Okay, let's talk about Cas now.

Yeah... well. I think Cas' storyline has a lot of potential. The whole free-will thing is just too interesting to let it drop - but I honestly wish they'd have a separate place for that, maybe an episode mostly about Cas and his problems (like the Weekend at Bobby's ep) or something, because in all honesty... This episode, I was wishing for it to just go away and let me get back to Sam and Dean.
Hope you're not upset? I like Cas, and it'd be interesting to know why the heck he wasn't in the bunker with Sam. And what will happen with Hannah (who is getting very disturbingly like Naomi, even though she clearly wants to be the opposite...) and the angels that simply don't want to go back to heaven. It's SUCH an interesting concept... but I want Sam and Dean :-( *pouts*

Ok, I still have something to say about that whole story-arc:

Cas should be super happy that there's FINALLY another angel who GETS IT. I mean, he does do his best to keep Hannah from attacking Daniel out of the gate - he does his best to get them to talk instead - but still, I was surprised that he wasn't more supportive of Daniel.

Yes, very weird indeed. Then again - he chose free will and his free will led him to want to be God. So maybe he's seeing the danger of REAL free will as well, and isn't sure that angels should roam the earth with their free will (and their powers and blades!)?

Maybe he is thinking that his own choice can be tolerated because he'll die in a few ... months? Weeks? Whatever. And maybe he's still believing that there will be one angel or maybe God will come back who is FIT to rule all the angels. Who is the right kind of leader, the one the angels need and love and obey without them being tortured if they don't.
He's still hoping (another human feeling), while Hannah has apparently decided that only order - upheld by whom? - can make angels be right again.

I don't really see much future for angels... Maybe if they ripped their own grace out and became human, like Anna did - but not as THEM. Die, to be where you want to be, die to have free will - or keep on living and bow to your God (be it actually GOD or just Order) but have no free will...

Tough decisions.

Anyway, I'll of course take what I can get and will happily watch next episode and come here later to check on your impressions :)
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