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Quick Reaction: 9x14 Captives

Hi everybody! So, sorry I haven't been around last week - I got caught up in people visiting and also I was super busy with work, plus I have a slight medical issue that caused me to be really lethargic (it's now in the process of being corrected, so no worries)... anyway, Supernatural is back! Yay!

So, let's get to the episode...

I think I might break this episode into two sections. So, I'll talk about the boys' plot first and then I'll talk about Castiel's separately. This way I don't have to remember what cuts were where (a task that is impossible.) I will say, however, that I really like when they do split storylines like this. It makes for an action packed episode without the need for as many plot points in either story.

Anyway, we start with a THEN that is full of Trans, which made me pretty hopeful... and I figured that they'd probably be revisiting the Linda Tran story, since Kevin was dead and gone.

And we get Dean hanging out in his room, listening to tunes... and reminding me of what I looked like as a teenager, because my house was loud and annoying (my room, in two different houses, was underneath someone else's room...and it was always someone else who liked to have sex with their boyfriends)... so yeah, I used to fall asleep with headphones on, listening to music, most nights.

Anyway, suddenly, GHOST! And Sam is in the other room and sees it too...and then it's grab-a-sword time! Wait, a sword? What did you think you were going to do with that Sam? Well, Sam doesn't have to do anything with it, because Dean shoots the ghost... and I love their exchange of-
"So..."
"Yup! The bunker's haunted!"

Now, sidenote here, I actually never read the credits at the beginning. This isn't actually a choice. I ignore them subconsciously... they could be saying "Hey jerkface!" for all I know - as long as they are in the font of names and not telling us where the Winchesters are or what year we are in, my brain just erases them... actually, sometimes it erases them when they are telling us where the Winchesters are too, which is why I have to do my timelining on a rewatch. ANYWAY... my point is that I totally didn't see Osric's name in the title sequence. I didn't even clue into the fact that it was there when one of my friends muttered, "oh, spoilers" in the midst of our discussion about whether it was him... I still didn't get it... and I'm pretty sure my friend actually backed up the PVR and let his name flash on screen twist. :P

So, I was thinking, "is it really Kevin?" I mean, the whole THEN sequence was about the Trans, but maybe that was a misdirect and Dean BURNED HIM.

But, when we go back to the bunker and Sam and Dean are discussing it - they come to the conclusion that it must be a recent death, and when they mention Kevin's name, the coffee machine dings like they just won a games show for hunters. So, yeah, KEVIN! Yay! I don't even care that he's a ghost.

The coffee maker communication is all they get for a bit though, so they stay up for hours taking shifts with the coffee maker - awww... and when it's Dean's shift, he takes the opportunity to lay out all his guilt and ask for forgiveness... and that works, because Kevin is so furious that he gets stuck for all eternity with the Winchesters and their self-pity parties that he manifests! Yay!!! KEVIN!!!

We find out that Heaven isn't just closed to angels, it's closed to souls too. The veil has become a crowded place, everyone is stuck close to where they died and no one can move on. Holy crow! I always wondered this about them closing hell... I thought it'd just keep the demons from entering earth and that the souls would continue to flow across the borders as guided by the reapers. But what if that weren't the case? Would those souls destined for hell just end up trapped in the veil, doomed to become angry/evil spirits?! Would closing the gates of hell just have created another problem for Sam and Dean anyway?

And Metatron didn't even close heaven - he just kicked the angels out... but I guess without the angels, there's no one to open the doors? I don't even know!!

There goes my idea for Kevin taking down Heaven from the inside out though... ah well... I guess we'll just have to leave that to Bobby, Ellen, Jo, Ash, and Rufus who should all still be up there.

Back to the episode... Kevin pulls the old - "you got me killed, so now you own me a favour" card and asks Sam and Dean to go find his mother. He's heard from the ghost gossip chain that she might still be alive and near Wichita.

So, off Sam and Dean go to perform a seance to take to a ghost named Candy, who apparently only died a week ago! So, chances are good Ms. Tran is still with us.

And they're by the Lulu Island Trestle Bridge! That bridge is super cool... and in SO MANY EPISODES. :P

Dean's trying to get in touch with Crowley and Sam's making fun of him for it... and then Candy shows up via radio and tells them what she knows. She was kept in a storage locker beside 2 other lockers, one of which had Linda Tran in it. So, then it's off to find storage lockers....

They eventually track down the storage locker that looks like it fits, and the clerk takes Dean to one locker while Sam checks out the others - and yeah, basically as soon as the clerk got the two brothers separated, I started to suspect him... actually, I kind of suspected him from the beginning, but didn't want to jump the gun too much.

Sure enough, he locks Sam in with Ms. Tran and knocks Dean out. Dean, seriously? I mean, granted, I guess there was demon-strength behind that punch, but still!

Anyway, Mrs. Tran still kicks ass. But seriously, when she asks Sam if Kevin is somewhere safe, and Sam is all like *awkward*...I mean, Sam, did you REALLY not foresee this question? Did you really not think about what you were going to say. Granted, Sam and Dean were pretty convinced that Mrs. Tran was dead and that Crowley was lying, but still... prepare for the worst case scenario boys! And in this case, the worst case is DEFINITELY having to tell a mother that her only kid is dead.

But, while Mrs. Tran picks the electrical lock, Sam DOES manage to convey the message through puppy eyes alone... and Mrs. Tran takes it in stride - and just repeats "take me to my son" - ugh, my heart.

Meanwhile, Dean wakes up to have it confirmed that the clerk is also a demon. Really, they should have been prepared to encounter a demon at the storage locker as soon as they heard in the story that there were TWO demons that visited originally, and then just the one that wasn't Crowley... I guess they assume the other one came and went like Crowley did, but still, worst-case scenarios, boys!

At first I was thinking that Dean should let the demon call Crowly on the blood-bowl, seeing as how Dean wanted to speak to him anyway... but then I realized that maybe it WAS good for Dean to distract the demon from that call, since Dean was technically stealing Crowley's human leverage.

So, Dean distracts the demon with talk about how he and Crowley are friends now... which only makes the demon want to kill him, but luckily that's when Sam busts in to save the day... and kill the demon.

I have to say, I love the whole conversation where the demon was like...
"Are you going to kill me?"
"No, we're going to let someone else do that..."
"Crowley?"
"No, worse."
And in walks Mrs. Tran... it was nice and funny, and I do love Mrs. Tran being a badass.

So, Mrs. Tran kills the demon and then it's off to the bunker... and we never do get to find out what happened to the third person who was supposedly in those storage lockers too. So, that was kind of odd. Did they not check? Did I miss a line about him dying...?

Anyway, back at the bunker, they tell Kevin they found his mom, and the two Trans are finally reunited. One an isolation-torture victim and the other one a ghost... but hey, at least they're TOGETHER.

Mrs. Tran goes through Kevin's stuff and finds the object that she thinks he's still tied to - his father's class ring, it looks like... and then she goes to take him home. Dean warns her that ghosts can become...something... but Mama Tran repeats that it's her job to look after Kevin, and that's what she's going to do.

And the Winchesters actually get to say goodbye to Kevin! Awww... Kevin forgives them. He knows it wasn't Sam who killed him. He makes them promise to get revenge on the bastard who DID kill him. (I'm like, the only person in fandom who still feels a little sympathy for Gadreel, I think.) And then Kevin tells them to "get over it" to stop fighting... that they have each other, and they should be thankful for that.

They both promise him that they will get over it - and that they'll forgive each other or something... but as soon as Kevin leaves, Dean turns to Sam only to find Sam already leaving the room.

Sam does pause outside his door though, because maybe he IS getting to a place where he can forgive Dean... or maybe he's just having a moment of doubt before doubling down on his anger. Part of me, I must say, has to wonder if the mark of Cain might have something to do with this too... since one possibility for Cain's curse is to live without family.

Anyway, Dean goes to his room and puts back on his headphones and hates himself and the world... and thus we end the episode with a bit of closure for the boys in regards to Kevin, but no real movement forward in mending their own relationship.

Now, let's talk about Castiel.

Castiel is trying to track down Metatron... and he tries to find an angel named Rebecca, only to find her already dead. Her one remaining follower - a pacifist, basically, can't tell him anything besides the fact that Bartholomew is going around killing angels.

And sure enough, Cas is captured by Bart's men and taken to their factions headquarters - where we discover that Bartholomew is actually an old foot-soldier from Cas' garrison... that he was a follower of Cas in the civil war with Raphael, that he looked up to Cas. But we also find out that Bart killed POWs against Cas' wishes (but apparently in line with the wishes of his superiors). Bart tells him to get off his high horse, because Cas slaughtered thousands of angels... and yeah, basically, Cas' past as a briefly megalomaniac insane person is always going to haunt him.

Bart shows him the whole show though and tries to recruit Cas to be his partner. I forget what Bart called himself - "the perfect soldier?" something like that - but he called Cas "the ultimate rebel" (or, again, SOMETHING like that.) And have I mentioned that I kind of love the fact that Cas is the rebel angel, and I kind of love that he may have been DESIGNED that way.... anyway....

I think Cas was actually tempted, up until Bart's men show up with the pacifist angel and Bart explains that he's going to torture and then kill him. And then it's basically just Bart throwing everything that Cas DOESN'T want to stand for in his face. Cas insists that he isn't what he once was or what his previous actions would lead Bart to believe - that Cas is trying to be different, trying to be peaceful, trying to stop the killings that have been decimating the heavenly host.

And when Bart gives Cas the angel blade for him to kill the pacifist, we were all sitting there saying, "USE IT TO STAB BART! STAB HIM!" But Cas doesn't stab him, he tells Bart that if it's a choice between joining Bart and thereby condoning his actions and dying, then Cas would choose death.

Bart kills the pacifist, but when he goes to kill Cas, Cas stops him. He overpowers him and shows Bart that he COULD kill him, but has chosen not to - and then he tries to leave, only to have Bart try to stab him in the back - which Cas also blocks, and then his threat of killing him isn't empty.

I also have to say that I love it when Cas is a bamf, but I guess that goes without saying... but I kind of think that it wasn't just Dean and Benny who had their fighting skills get even better during their stint in Purgatory - though, granted, Cas was always pretty damn good in angel fights.

So, now he's taken down the head of what looked like the largest faction of angels! Oh man... I wonder what crazy stuff THIS wrench in the works will churn out!

Right now, what it churns out is at least three angels from Bartholomew's faction that want to throw their lot in with Castiel. INTERESTING....

So, good episode! Lots of fun!

Looks like next week, we'll return to a MOTW.

I'm absolutely exhausted right now, so sorry if the last bit of this review seemed a little rushed. If there's points and nuances that you really want to talk about that I neglected to touch on, please bring them up in comments! :)
 

Comments

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missyjack
Feb. 26th, 2014 08:07 am (UTC)
WHO WERE THESE PEOPLE VISITING WHO KEPT YOU FROM THE INTERWEBS?? DAMN THEM TO HELL!

wish i had been in town for an episode viewing - and this one was a corker!
hells_half_acre
Feb. 26th, 2014 08:19 am (UTC)
Haha, I know! The NERVE of some people! ;)

I wish you had been in town for an episode too! That would have been super fun... ah well, perhaps some time in the future!

borgmama1of5
Feb. 26th, 2014 09:23 am (UTC)
The storage locker demon killed the other one to get the blood for the call to Crowley.

Crazy enough, I had just had the thought the other day that now we'll never know if Crowley was telling the truth about Mrs. Tran being alive...The Tran story was good. Sam walking away at the end killed me, though.

(Now that you're back to LJ, come read my 'what happens next' story?) http://borgmama1of5.livejournal.com/79454.html
raloria
Feb. 26th, 2014 11:07 am (UTC)
The storage locker demon killed the other one to get the blood for the call to Crowley.

Actually, that wasn't the other prisoner it was the guy who brought out the storage rental binder for Dean to look through. ;)

And I realize that's what you actually said, just differently. *sigh*
I'm sick and hopped up on cold medication. That's my excuse. Uh, huh. *nods head*

I agree. Sam just walking away. What is wrong with him????

Edited at 2014-02-26 11:09 am (UTC)
quickreaver
Feb. 26th, 2014 01:01 pm (UTC)
Aw, there's nothing wrong with Sammy! (Well, that's not true ... There's plenty wrong, but broken trust is not easily repaired and an apology from Dean-o might be a good start. Just sayin'!)

Feel better, lady! Stupid cold. Bah!
hells_half_acre
Feb. 26th, 2014 08:13 pm (UTC)
The storage locker demon killed the other one to get the blood for the call to Crowley.

But I thought that was the other storage locker employee? Not the third prisoner. Unless that's what you meant - in which case, I know? I'm wondering what happened to the third prisoner.

Crazy enough, I had just had the thought the other day that now we'll never know if Crowley was telling the truth about Mrs. Tran being alive...The Tran story was good.

Yeah, that was one thing I was clinging to in the hopes that Kevin would return... and I was kinda right? Though, he's still not ALIVE, so I'm still kinda sad. But I guess they're leaving behind the tablet storylines and they no longer have use for a prophet. I just wish the writers wouldn't kill everyone - can't at least ONE person get an ending where they can go back to a normal life? Sigh.
borgmama1of5
Feb. 26th, 2014 08:18 pm (UTC)
You're right, there was a third prisoner that they ignored. Or did they say there was a third prisoner or just 3 'boxes?' Dumb oversight...

Charlie is still around (knock on wood.)
hells_half_acre
Feb. 26th, 2014 08:28 pm (UTC)
They definitely said there was a third person, but maybe there was a line I missed somewhere that explained what happened to him.

I suppose Charlie is still TECHNICALLY around... so that's one person.

You know, a lot of fans find a character they love and they really want them to come back on the show and get excited everytime news breaks that they'll be appearing again... meanwhile, I've grown to hate reappearances because it means that character is going to die. :P
percysowner
Feb. 26th, 2014 01:21 pm (UTC)
Admittedly, I'm a little stuck on some nitpicking. What did they do about prisoner number three? Let him out? Leave him in the storage container? Not even a line about we'll go get him while you kill the demon? They didn't have to cast an actor. They could have said there were two captives, not three. The missing and apparently unimportant third captive just bugs me.

Since Dean made it clear that the next time some wandering angel comes by he's willing to stick it into Sam if Dean thinks it will save Sam or just thinks it's a good idea, I'm not too unhappy that Sam isn't giving an inch. Dean won't apologize. He won't say he won't allow Sam to be possessed again. Sam forgiving tells Dean that Dean owns Sam's body and Sam's giving him permission to own it.
hells_half_acre
Feb. 26th, 2014 08:18 pm (UTC)
I too am confused by the absence of prisoner number three. I'm wondering if there's a deleted scene somewhere that shouldn't have been deleted?

I'm not too unhappy that Sam isn't giving an inch. Dean won't apologize. He won't say he won't allow Sam to be possessed again. Sam forgiving tells Dean that Dean owns Sam's body and Sam's giving him permission to own it.

Very true. And technically, Kevin asked the two of them to "get over it", and Sam IS, but the way Sam is getting over it is maintaining a professional relationship with Dean - he's not actively fighting him or leaving him, he's just letting him know that there are fences that Dean still has to mend.
percysowner
Feb. 26th, 2014 09:07 pm (UTC)
Someone just pointed this out, but in Slumber Party Charlie went to heaven when she was killed by the Wicked Witch. Living in Christmas when her parents were alive, so did the shutting down of Heaven happen after Charlie died?
hells_half_acre
Feb. 26th, 2014 09:38 pm (UTC)
Yeah, someone pointed that out in the comments here too.

I'm guessing it's a recent thing. Because Metatron didn't close the gates of heaven, he just kicked all the angels out and THEY can't get back in.

Kevin also mentioned that it's "worse than a DMV line" or something like that... so I'm guessing that it's not so much that they can't get in at all, it's that things are being so mismanaged with heaven empty that there's some sort of bottleneck happening with the soul-traffic. If that makes any sense?
ramblin_rosie
Feb. 26th, 2014 01:32 pm (UTC)
I actually yelled, "THANK YOU, KEVIN!" at the end there. But of course it's going to take a bit for his wisdom to sink in, and it was clear when Sam cleared his throat that he wasn't going to accept Kevin's forgiveness quite so easily. (I wonder whether/when it will occur to Sam, if it hasn't already, that had Dean not made the deal with Gadreel, he would evidently be not only dead but also unable *not* to haunt Dean. Not that it justifies Dean's choice, but it does put a somewhat different light on the situation.)
Good ep. The boys needed the closure of being able to say their farewells to Kevin and rescue his mom for him, and now they've been alerted to the problem of the Heaven lockdown. As for Cas... it'll be interesting to see where he goes from here. *nods slowly*

ETA: Wait just a cotton-pickin' minute. Didn't Charlie go to Heaven in the brief period she was dead in "Slumber Party"? So when DID Metatron trigger the lockdown?!

Edited at 2014-02-26 01:35 pm (UTC)
hells_half_acre
Feb. 26th, 2014 08:22 pm (UTC)
Nice finding of the plot hole! As cool as it would be to think of Sam haunting Dean... he might have actually gone to heaven then, since it looks like maybe the traffic jam in the veil is a more recent thing. I'm thinking it might have more to do with heaven mismanagement than it does with heaven being "locked" - because Metatron DIDN'T close the gates of heaven, he kicked the other angels out.

On a different note, I'm wondering if it will ever be mentioned that without Gadreel, Charlie and Cas would both be dead. I mean, yeah, that doesn't make up for killing Kevin or violating Sam's body autonomy, but it's still something to consider. Not everything Gadreel did was bad.
ramblin_rosie
Feb. 27th, 2014 02:36 am (UTC)
Well, the way I see it, the lockdown probably isn't something Metatron did intentionally but rather the result of something else--either the spell to cast down the angels or whatever he did to end the line of prophets--being booby-trapped, somewhat like a failsafe that triggers a self-destruct. If the trigger was the fall, which is what I understood Kevin to say, then someone's got some 'splainin' to do (Lucy) re: Charlie. But in the latter case, then Kevin evidently misunderstood.

And yes, the fact that Gadreel saved Charlie and Cas seems to have been completely forgotten, which is part of why his about-face to become Metatron's hit man is so bizarre to me. I do want to find out what's up with him and see him find some redemption.
hells_half_acre
Feb. 27th, 2014 02:54 am (UTC)
And yes, the fact that Gadreel saved Charlie and Cas seems to have been completely forgotten, which is part of why his about-face to become Metatron's hit man is so bizarre to me. I do want to find out what's up with him and see him find some redemption.

Exactly. It isn't that Gadreel is evil - because his reasons for helping Dean, and his willingness to SAVE people weren't lies. He's just been led astray, the way I see it. He believes that in becoming Metatron's right-hand man, he'll eventually be in a position where he can undo the spell and restore the angels to heaven - he said as much to Dean. Gadreel is trying to be a hero, he's just going about it in a bad way.
supernutjapan
Feb. 26th, 2014 03:34 pm (UTC)
You are not the only one who still hopes for Gadreel to be saved, my friend.

Sam's last act of escaping to his room after Kevin left was rather strange to me... until now he has been quite talkative. Why the silent treatment now? Did you think maybe Sam was a little worried... or jealous... about Dean and Crowley? That was puzzling how he kept harping on Dean's closeness to Crowley.

And that pause before he went into his room... it could have meant that he was feeling regret for running off, but it also looked like he was getting his courage up for something. I almost thought it wasn't his room. I'm probably thinking too much.

Did anyone wonder what happened to Dean when he disappeared at the beginning? I totally thought he'd been taken by some sort of monster or ghost. I thought maybe Sam thought so too.

Cas' story wasn't that interesting to me. This is one of those episodes I will probably skip through when I watch it again. Unless some of those puzzles are clarified later - which would make it awesome to rewatch. Oh.. I hope so.



Edited at 2014-02-26 03:39 pm (UTC)
hells_half_acre
Feb. 26th, 2014 08:25 pm (UTC)
Yay for me not being alone!

I don't think Sam is too worried about Dean and Crowley - but who knows. The show seldom dives into Sam's head and thoughts like it does with Dean's.

I too think Sam might have thought something happened to Dean at the beginning, but I think Dean must have just grabbed his shot-gun and headed for another part of the bunker.
supernutjapan
Feb. 26th, 2014 11:40 pm (UTC)
I think Dean must have just grabbed his shot-gun and headed for another part of the bunker.

Yes, I guess he did, but he sure gave me a scare! ;)

x_astreiks_x
Feb. 26th, 2014 06:44 pm (UTC)
I agree. While Sam, Cas, and Dean are awesome when they're together, the separate stories really worked here. I'm finally happy they gave Kevin's story closure, and (again) showed just what kind of a crazy badass Cas can be.

Of course, you're right. Kevin and Mrs. Tran can't be part of the Dead Guys' Coalition to take back heaven from Metatron, but whatever.

This also raises an interesting point. If heaven has been closed to spirits since Metatron took over, then that means had Sam died at the beginning of the season, he would have been trapped in the veil, too. Maybe he realizes this as well? Because he did hesitate in front of his door....

God. I mean, I love Sam, but this whole relationship drama with him and Dean is making me depressed.
hells_half_acre
Feb. 26th, 2014 08:03 pm (UTC)
This also raises an interesting point. If heaven has been closed to spirits since Metatron took over, then that means had Sam died at the beginning of the season, he would have been trapped in the veil, too. Maybe he realizes this as well? Because he did hesitate in front of his door....

It's an interesting thing to consider - because someone else pointed out in the above comments that when Charlie died she DID go to heaven. So, I'm not sure whether heaven was closed to human souls from the get-go or if this is a recent development due to the fact that it obviously takes more than one (or two) angels to run Heaven correctly.

God. I mean, I love Sam, but this whole relationship drama with him and Dean is making me depressed.

I seem to be the demographic that the writers are aiming for, because I'm actually finding the drama intriguing. I'm liking the fact that they aren't forgiving each other as easily as they used to. That being said, I'd prefer if it didn't get worse and if there were signs that it is slowly getting better - which, yeah, not sure on that one.
x_astreiks_x
Feb. 27th, 2014 03:19 am (UTC)
It's an interesting thing to consider - because someone else pointed out in the above comments that when Charlie died she DID go to heaven. So, I'm not sure whether heaven was closed to human souls from the get-go or if this is a recent development due to the fact that it obviously takes more than one (or two) angels to run Heaven correctly.

Whoa...how'd I miss that death? Damn. I need to rewatch the early part of the season. I'm forgetting a lot of stuff that happened. :p So...yeah. You're probably right. The heaven thing must be fairly recent. I still feel like this will end up being important later on.

And yeah....Their relationship this season is pretty interesting, and the spat does have more substance and is intriguing. But it doesn't make it any less depressing and sad. Plus, I'm also used to binge-watching the series (I caught up with it over the summer) so this not-knowing and slow-going is just about killing me.
hells_half_acre
Feb. 27th, 2014 03:38 am (UTC)
Plus, I'm also used to binge-watching the series (I caught up with it over the summer) so this not-knowing and slow-going is just about killing me.

Yeah, I can completely understand that. I currently have that problem with Teen Wolf, which I binge-watched in September and now have wait patiently for. :P
pushistyj_koshk
Feb. 26th, 2014 10:25 pm (UTC)
Re: Wait, a sword? What did you think you were going to do with that Sam?

Maybe it was iron? I've no idea if they actually do make iron swords in real life (not in games that is).

Edited at 2014-02-26 10:26 pm (UTC)
hells_half_acre
Feb. 26th, 2014 10:31 pm (UTC)
True, and it was in the MoL bunker, so maybe it was also magic. :P
pushistyj_koshk
Feb. 26th, 2014 10:34 pm (UTC)
Maybe it was actually mentioned in the earlier episodes. I'm actually on episode 8.13 Everybody Hates Hitler re-watching. I'll try to pay closer attention :)
shadowsong26
Feb. 26th, 2014 10:37 pm (UTC)
Lurker coming out of hiding, hi <.<

I definitely still sympathize with Gadreel, and not just because I think he got a raw deal, but because I think they're definitely building something with him, narrative/theme-wise--I keep drawing parallels between him and Sam, and him and Cas, especially with Cas' plotline this episode. I mean, the way Bartholomew was handling Cas was a lot like the way Metatron handled Gadreel, right? (Also, there was that one hunter girl who brought up Sam accidentally causing the Apocalypse way back in like the season premiere or something--why do that if they weren't going to follow through?) Anyway, back to sympathizing with Gadreel...there's this whole Thing about trusting the wrong person and accidentally letting evil in. Sam and Cas have done it, but I think one of the key differences here is that the two of them had some kind of support system fairly early on--Sam had at least Bobby, once he was no longer possessed, and if we go back to the end of Meet the New Boss, Cas had Sam calling for him--to say, 'yes, you messed up and bad things happen, now let's fix it', and Gadreel had eons of prison. And then, once he got out, the first "supportive" person he found who knew his whole story was freaking Metatron, so...yeah.

Also, sometimes I wonder if all these factions (or maybe proto-factions) existed back when Michael was in charge (I mean, we had the Uriel/Lucifer/whatever faction, at least?) and he was just better at keeping them in check than anyone else who's tried to take charge since...(I'm also kind of a sucker for Heavenly politics)

Yeah, the missing third prisoner bugs me more than a little, 'cause Candy gave us a name for him/her, I think? I'd have to rewatch to be sure. Maybe that third prisoner will become relevant later?

Someone else in the comments mentioned Sam harping on Dean's relationship with Crowley, and it...kind of makes sense? I mean, back in the church, he was wondering if Dean was going to turn to another monster the next time they were separated, and all...
hells_half_acre
Feb. 26th, 2014 10:57 pm (UTC)
Yay! Another person who feels bad for Gadreel. I agree with everything you say there - Gadreel also reminds me of Cas in that he's horribly naive. I mean, he made a mistake eons ago and has been imprisoned since. For someone who has been imprisoned since the fall of Eden, he's probably still got the kind of... naive view of the world and angelkind as Castiel did in the fourth season...Where you follow orders and you're a good soldier and that makes you GOOD. And he hasn't learned yet that what makes you good is actually about what orders you follow and what orders you don't. And, like you say, he has absolutely no support system to tell him otherwise, because he's made enemies of the only people who may have.

lso, sometimes I wonder if all these factions (or maybe proto-factions) existed back when Michael was in charge (I mean, we had the Uriel/Lucifer/whatever faction, at least?) and he was just better at keeping them in check than anyone else who's tried to take charge since...(I'm also kind of a sucker for Heavenly politics)

I think so. I think what changed after S5 and DEFINITELY after S6 was that suddenly the archangels were gone. No angel was going to try to seize control against an arch-angel, not until Castiel came along and challenged Raphael... the way I see it, Castiel was able to rally supporters because these different factions WANTED control but were too afraid of the archangels to challenge them for it - so they got behind Castiel instead, because that way Castiel was their fall guy if it all failed. But it didn't fail, and Castiel killed Raphael and suddenly there were no longer these super powerful angels to keep everyone in line. Then Castiel disappeared too (after slaughtering Raphael's former supporters). Heavens most fearsome warriors were gone and so was the leader that had basically helped to get rid of them...and that left a huge power vacuum waiting to be filled, and THAT'S when the factions reformed under their own banners and started battling it out.

Maybe that third prisoner will become relevant later?

I doubt it. I don't think enough attention was paid to even the fact that they were missing the third person for it to be relevant. I think it was honestly just an oversight. Mind you, other shows have caught me out on things that I thought were continuity errors but actually mattered (Teen Wolf just did it to me this season)

Someone else in the comments mentioned Sam harping on Dean's relationship with Crowley, and it...kind of makes sense? I mean, back in the church, he was wondering if Dean was going to turn to another monster the next time they were separated, and all...

Oh yeah... good point. :P Oh Dean...

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