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Quick Reaction: 8x22 Clip Show

Okay, so this episode was soul-crushing....

(Once again, I'm rewatching while I type this up, thanks to house-sitting at a place with a PVR. Next week I'll be back in my own apartment though and doing my quick reaction from memory.)

We begin in Lost Creek, Colorado. And it's a testament to how much I'm obsessed with this show, because even though I didn't recognize Tommy (I'm horrible at recognizing people), I immediately thought "oh hey, wendigo!" when I saw the place. :P

But we do join up with Tommy and his girl, who has dragged him out into the woods... um, girlfriend, I don't think you should be dragging your PTSD boyfriend to the site where he got his PTSD. And... Tommy bites it, and it's gross... and I'm so SAD. Like, seriously... Supernatural writers accomplished what they wanted with this storyline...

Cut to the Bunker, and Sam and Dean are doing research. Dean's trying to look after Sam, and Sam's letting him a little bit... or at least not getting mad at him for being concerned.

Cas is there too! "Morning!" I'm willing to bet this is just the next day, and they all went home and got cleaned up and had a bit of a sleep...

But Dean is ignoring Cas. But hey, let's focus on the positive! Cas likes the bunker because it's "orderly" - aww, Cas, your soldier is showing. And Cas and Sam are having a chat! Yay! I have to admit, shipping aside, I'm actually more interested in the Sam+Cas friendship than the Dean+Cas friendship - just because Sam+Cas is so deliciously awkward.

"I have to cure a demon"
"Of what?"
-Haha, brilliant.

I love Dean's meal... a half-drunk beer, beef jerky, and three peanut butter cups. But what I love most about it is that he taste-tests the beer for Sam to make sure that it hasn't gone skunky. Brilliant.

And Cas tries to apologize... "for everything", but Dean isn't having it. Because Cas should be apologizing for not trusting Dean, because it's not the first time. "I thought I was doing the right thing." "Yeah, you always do." Ouch. But Dean has a point. As my mother says, "what do flowers have to do with anything?" If you're truly sorry, you change your behaviour - and this is a pattern of behaviour that Cas has never changed.

But Sam sticks up for Cas as soon as he has Dean alone. Dean argues that if Cas were anyone else, he would have stabbed him in the neck on principal, "why should I give him a free pass", and Sam answers, "because he's Cas." - and the thing is that Dean's already admitting that Cas is getting special treatment, so Sam has a point - but at the same time, Cas should be thankful for the special treatment he's getting and not expect more.

Anyway, time to nosy around some files and stumble upon a dungeon!

Sam: "So, we have a dungeon"
Dean: "Finally!"
- I love the acting for this line, because Dean being excited that there's a dungeon shouldn't actually be a good thing, given his history... and you see that in the way Sam reacts. My stomach just sort of sinks a little with Dean's smirk, rather than smirk back.

Movie night!

"Hey, those chains look exactly like the ones in our dungeon!"
"In your what?"
-See, even Cas isn't sure he's cool with it.

Anyway, exorcism movie gone wrong... the demon and the victim dies.

And even when Cas tries to help with the language, Dean makes fun of him... and Cas isn't allowed to come to, because Dean is still mad. "Just stay here and... get better." - well, at least he still cares about Cas' health. Poor Cas though...especially since you know, the Winchesters could have REALLY used him on this one.

The priest tells them about the rituals - the attempts to purify demons... and Sam starts coughing up blood again. I love Dean's speech to the father though, about how much faith he has in Sam. Awwww.

Cas is shopping! I love that he buys Dean's favourite porn, and beer... and just generally makes a mess.

"Where's the pie?"
"I think we're out."
"You don't understand. I. Need. Pie."
- Awesome.

"Put the virgin down, Castiel."
-You know, I'm thinking that going out with the intent to buy pie on Supernatural is a bad omen... or like... a death wish. Nothing good ever happens when you go out with the intent of buying Dean pie. I'm not saying Metatron is evil, but I AM saying that I don't entirely trust him.

Castiel is a little bit starstruck... and I love this conversation between Metatron and Castiel, about what heaven is like now. Apparently Naomi isn't as in charge as we thought she was either - instead it's anarchy/civil war, thanks to the power vacuum left by the archangels, and the devastation that Cas wrought. Cas feels bad. Metatron wants to fix it... he wants him and Cas to come to the rescue.

The plan is to shut-down Heaven... and yeah....I mean, I kind of saw that as a possible storyline for S9, myself, but I'm not sure now...

Back to the bunker and Sam can't find Cas, which means that Dean assumes Cas skipped out on them again without warning, which isn't going to help the grudge he's holding.

More flashbacks of attempts to cure demons. It involves injecting the demon with "purified" blood (taken after the priest had gone to confession)... and over several hours it actually worked. I love the fact that Dean and Sam can tell when it starts working by the quality of the demon's screams - I mean, that's crazy disturbing, but at the same time, kind of BAMF too.

They need blood, consecrated ground, and a demon.... I'd love to see a Winchester going to confession, I have to say.

Meanwhile, Cas and Metatron are continuing their conversation over crepes, with a flirty waitress. Metatron is jealous.

I just realised how beautiful the view is from that cafe. I wonder where it is. Gorgeous.

So, Metatron wants to shut the pearly gates so that the angels can sort themselves out without involving earth. The problem is that Metatron isn't strong enough to do it himself - Castiel, though, is a warrior. And Cas is on board, because he wants to fix the problems that he made.

And man, this is where Cas ALWAYS falls down. Because you know what would make Dean forgive Cas? CONSULTING HIM! Buying him beer, porn, and pie (ie: buying him flowers) is an empty gesture unless Cas changes the behaviour that made Dean angry with him in the first place - and that behaviour is the fact that Cas always leaves Dean out of his decision making. I'm not saying that Dean should be the boss of Cas, but I AM saying that Cas IS easily manipulated (hell, Dean's taken advantage of that trait himself) and it would really do Cas good to run his plans by Dean or Sam or SOMEONE who wasn't as easily manipulated as Cas is. Also, it would show that Cas DOES trust Dean with his affairs.

Already, with the first Angel trial, Cas has to kill an innocent girl - whose only crime is being the offspring of a human and an angel. And Cas doesn't like this one bit, it goes against his beliefs... but Metatron pushes...

"You have to ask yourself what's more important: Her life or your family?"
- And of course, putting it like that, Cas is going to choose family - but part of me wonders which family he's choosing at this point.

So, my question is, why do they assemble Abaddon in an abandoned dairy barn? I thought they needed consecrated ground?! Also, wouldn't it have been better to assemble her in their specially designed DEMON DUNGEON. I mean, really. Mind you, that would mean bringing Abaddon into the Bunker, which was what their grandfather died keeping her away from... but still. Seems weird.

And at this point, we've all but forgotten about poor Tommy in Colorado... but suddenly how he slots into the story is revealed. Crowley calls after they've assembled and de-handed Abaddon - who knows perfectly well what their after. The bonus here is that it means Abaddon learns that Crowley's become the King of Hell in her absence, and she is none too pleased about it. The bad news is the enemy of your enemy isn't always your friend - and Crowley's call gives Abaddon enough time to escape.

But guys, seriously, why did you... oh, they just said that they were going to consecrate the ground... I guess that explains the barn, but still, DO IT BEFORE YOU ASSEMBLE THE DEMON. Geez, boys! Also, don't BOTH GO OUTSIDE TO TAKE ONE CALL.

I do love Crowley's "Hello boy" and "what are you wearing?" - heheheh... oh Crowley. Also, "I'm sexting you an address"... heheheh.

"Oh well, I'll pour one out for Tommy later"
- I do love how Dean isn't actually that sad... mainly because he doesn't know the full extent of Crowley's plans, but I also like it because Dean and Sam save SO MANY PEOPLE, they're actually incapable of caring that deeply for them after a certain time has gone by.

And Crowley sends them to Prosperity, Indiana, to discover dead Jenny Klein back from S7...

Crowley will kill someone every 12 hours until he gets the demon tablet and the Winchesters give up the trials. He knows that Heaven doesn't have Kevin, so he assumes the Winchesters do. And he sends them to Indianapolis, to discover SARAH!

And this is where I simply said, "oh no" because you know the rules - no one is allowed to catch any breaks in the penultimate episode of the season, you have to bring the boys to their lowest point... so that in the finale they can either triumph or, since this is Supernatural, drop even lower...

Cas decides to go with Metatron's plans... even though he has the kicked puppy face on the whole time. The angel-girl fights back, but in the end, it's two against one and Castiel takes her out while she's focused on Metatron.

Sam tries to comfort Sarah, and this is the painful bit, because it works... Sarah has faith in Sam, because Sam's protected her before. :(

And if we weren't already sure of Sarah's fate given the episode number, we know that she's doomed as soon as we find out she's married and has a one-year-old daughter. (Also Sarah's room number is 116, I'm pretty sure that's also her episode number in S1 Nope, it was 1x19, oh SPN you missed out!)  Anyway, Sarah points out what's different with Sam - more focused, and confident... and she misses the old haircut.  I always thought that if Sarah ever met Sam again, he'd be unrecognizable to her, but I guess that would just be me (I really am horrible at recognizing people).

Crowley calls, and Sarah starts choking - and Crowley has a great monologue. Crowley's mother was apparently a witch and it's been a hex bag the whole time. Crowley knows that all the trials are hell-based, so he's keeping all hell-based things away from the Winchesters. He also knows that the reason they're able to keep going because of the people they save - that without the people they save, their lives are meaningless torture. Sam and Dean Winchester live SOLELY for other people, if you take those people away, they have nothing.

And the horrible thing is that the hexbag was in the phone the whole time - all they had to do was get angry at Crowley monologuing earlier and Sarah might have lived. But now, Sarah dies right in front of Sam, and there's nothing he can do about it.

As much as I HATE that they killed Sarah, I gotta hand it to the writers for it being a really brilliant move - because that HATE that I'm feeling is the exact same thing that Sam and Dean are feeling, and I don't think they would have been able to significantly gut me so completely with any other death.

Here is where the difficulty of having Cas around from a writing standpoint comes in, because WHY DIDN'T THEY CALL CAS!?! Also, do hex bags still work if you pick Sarah up and fireman carry her out of the room?! I guess this is all too late now, and I'm not one to talk - I love good decision making skills when I see a spider, let alone when demons are killing my long-lost friends.

Sam and Dean return to the bunker, and Sam is NOT okay, thanks Dean. And here is where the classic Winchester switch comes in - Sam's lost faith, Dean compensates by taking up the mantle of Sam's never-ending faith. This is why the Winchesters are an awesome team. We end on an "Are you with me?" but seriously, I think all Sam can do is TRY. I mean, they know EXACTLY what they need to do now, they just need one demon - and if Cas comes back to them, they could get one of those somehow, I'm sure.

Next week looks interesting.. the preview seemed to give a lot away, so I won't discuss it - but man, am I ever nervous. I really think something is going to go horribly wrong with the gate closing plan(s).

As usual, discussion in the comments is most welcome! I have to admit that I had a particularly horrible day at work, so I'm not sure my brain is properly in thinky-mode at the moment. I kind of feel a bit fried with trying my best not to rage quit my job.

Comments

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missyjack
May. 9th, 2013 06:47 am (UTC)
When i saw that cafe with that gorgoeus view I thought - mmm must ask hells_half_acre where that is! Wonder if it was a CGI backdrop?

tbh - i think Dean is going easy on Cas. I am not as kind as him and would've cut Cas off - although that would probably be strategically stupid. Not that i dont empathises with the impossible choices Cas gets faced with, but NOT walking to Dean (and Sam) has blown up on him more than once. Cas might be a warrior, but damn he makes stupid decisions about - life!

Glad to finally have a nephilim. man I remember all the hours fandom spent speculating Sam was a nephilim back in S1 and S2...Of course the question may be w- who was her angelic father?
afastmachine
May. 9th, 2013 06:50 am (UTC)
I agree about Dean. I love Cas, but he never seems to learn from his mistakes.
hells_half_acre
May. 9th, 2013 07:09 am (UTC)
It definitely looked like a Vancouver view. I'll have to take a closer look and see if I can figure it out. My gut says Deep Cove, but I've got nothing to base that on.

Yeah, I completely understand where Dean is coming from. And as much as it'll make me sound like a shipper, I also understand why he's going easy on him - you tend to make excuses for those you love, after all. But that being said, I don't see Dean reacting well when he finds out that Cas is doing the Heaven trials without talking to him first.

Nephilim could also be human-father, angelic-mother! Just to mess with our assumptions! I wasn't around for S1-S2, so I didn't even realize that was speculation at one point! Funny. But yeah, it was really neat to introduce the Nephilim, too bad they said she was the only one.
missyjack
May. 9th, 2013 07:33 am (UTC)
Here's an essay from October 2006 on Sam and Nephilim. Note that she picked Azazel (albeit in a different form) long before the show reveal! And long before angels were on the show it was commonly thought that Sam was either angel spawn or demon spawn. John had an article on his motel room wall in the pilot about cambion.


And i totally agree - Dean loves Cas and thats why hes resuced him and kept him round. If he didnt the betrayal (from Dean's POV) wouldn't hurt so much. I think it was jemermy Carver who said that betrayal by family was Dean's kyptonite.

hells_half_acre
May. 9th, 2013 07:47 am (UTC)
So true about Dean's kryptonite.

I knew about the Cambion theories, but yeah, not the angel ones! That's neat. Thanks for the link. I came to the show between S3 and S4, so yeah, I missed out on a lot of the early really early stuff.
ammluvGK
May. 9th, 2013 01:28 pm (UTC)
I saw a thing in regards to the Nephilim girl on tumblr. If you recall when we're first introduced to the angels someone (Castiel, I think) says how it's been 2000 years since they walked among man. The only angel that has been on Earth was a certain Archangel in 'witness protection'. I quite like the theory that Gabriel was doing a little angel seeding but also sad if that means it's his daughter that died.

The Metatron/Castiel thing has me worried that Cas is being played. I thought they would call Cas too and was hoping they would do it in time before he killed the Nephilim as I have a very bad feeling about it.

Crowley's lines in this one were great! He really became a villain to the boys in this episode, but I still can't help but love him. Mark Sheppard is just way too good at playing him.

I laughed at Castiel's reaction to the idea the boys now have a dungeon. And he was so sweet doing the shopping and getting Dean's favourite things as an apology of sorts. However I'm with you on the actions speak louder than words. He needs to change his ways and let himself rely on Sam and Dean more rather than going off on his own.

A Winchester going to confession would be hilarious. They'd be there all day. But now after meeting the Father who assisted the other one in the film (useless at remembering their names) they'll at least have one who won't run away screaming before they can be purified. However I will admit to having an uh-oh moment when they said purified blood. Can a priest purify Sam's blood if there is still demon blood in him? Or could the first two trials have been purifying the demon blood out of him to ready him for this one?

Looking forward to next week for what looks like an intriguing finale (plus I'm gonna get to meet some of the cast at a Con; my first one ever!!!), but at the same time I don't want it to come because then that means it'll be the end of the season!

Edited at 2013-05-09 01:32 pm (UTC)
hells_half_acre
May. 9th, 2013 04:31 pm (UTC)
Ooo, that's an interesting theory re: the Niphilim. But yeah, sad if it means that the last remnant of Gabriel has been killed.

However I will admit to having an uh-oh moment when they said purified blood. Can a priest purify Sam's blood if there is still demon blood in him? Or could the first two trials have been purifying the demon blood out of him to ready him for this one?

I guess he assumed it has? In any case, we'll probably find out next week - though I have a feeling SOMETHING might go horribly wrong no matter what the answer is.

Looking forward to next week for what looks like an intriguing finale (plus I'm gonna get to meet some of the cast at a Con; my first one ever!!!), but at the same time I don't want it to come because then that means it'll be the end of the season!

Ooo! Have fun at your first Con! Is it Asylum? That'll be cool. The end of the season is always bittersweet for me - I find that I really appreciate having the time back, but they ALWAYS leave me on a cliff-hanger where I'm salivating for the resolution. :P

Agreed about everything else you've said!
ammluvGK
May. 9th, 2013 05:34 pm (UTC)
There definitely is that feeling of dread as we approach the finale. No way will the writers let it end on a wondrous high. And yes it is Asylum that I'm going to. Cannot wait!
afastmachine
May. 9th, 2013 06:49 am (UTC)
I haven't rewatched it yet, so I'm still going off my gut reaction, but...I wasn't very fond of the episode. Like, I understand what they did and why, but it doesn't make me less upset or frustrated with how they dealt with Cas and the Nephilim(SHE WAS DEFENDING HERSELF SERIOUSLY SHE DID NOTHING WRONG FFS) and the people they've saved and just...well, in general. While I'll agree that Sarah's death, once introduced, was inevitable, and the scene was pretty much flawless, I just...I didn't like it. It didn't feel like a nessisary pain, it felt like it shouldn't have happened. And I was already pissy for them killing so many women and...idk. I just came out really frustrated in the end. It wasn't like the solemn impactful deaths of other characters, it just felt so wasteful and unnecessary.

/rant
hells_half_acre
May. 9th, 2013 07:12 am (UTC)
And my argument is that that's all the stuff we SUPPOSED to be feeling, so it was actually an effectively written episode - you might not happen to like it's goal, but you can't argue that it didn't achieve it. The deaths weren't supposed to be impactful, they were supposed to be wasteful and unnecessary, the nephilim was supposed to be a morally-questionable kill, etc. It's all horrible and we hate everything, because it's all horrible and we're supposed to hate everything.
afastmachine
May. 9th, 2013 07:57 am (UTC)
I know that was the intent, it just...it bugged me. It came at the wrong time for me personally I guess. I can appreciate it from a storytelling POV but not from a fan POV.
raloria
May. 9th, 2013 08:44 am (UTC)
I found the street Metatron & Cas walk down! It's in Deep Cover, North Van. I believe the restaurant is right there, too...maybe Arms Beach Bistro, but I can't confirm it.

I was also looking back through my Favorited Tweets & found the filming notice for when they shot the church scene in New West. *g*

Anyway...*ahem* Loved the episode. Some folks might not like what Crowley did, but it was really quite brilliant. How do you hurt the Winchesters, besides going after one or the other? Hurt innocents. That's their Achille's Heel. Crowley knew just where to hit them the hardest.
ramblin_rosie
May. 9th, 2013 11:25 am (UTC)
And Crowley's done this before, when he nabbed Lisa and Ben to (try to) make Dean stand down. He really ought to know that he's signed his own worse-than-death warrant by doing so, because Dean does not take kindly to blackmail.
hells_half_acre
May. 9th, 2013 04:35 pm (UTC)
Yay! I hoped you'd come through for me. And double-yay! Because I had a feeling that it was Deep Cove, and I was right!

Anyway...*ahem* Loved the episode. Some folks might not like what Crowley did, but it was really quite brilliant. How do you hurt the Winchesters, besides going after one or the other? Hurt innocents. That's their Achille's Heel. Crowley knew just where to hit them the hardest.

Indeed indeed. Though, if there's something else that Crowley should know, it's that hitting them the hardest means that they're going to hit hard back... the Winchesters have never backed down from a plan.
borgmama1of5
May. 9th, 2013 12:36 pm (UTC)
Emotionally the episode left me with a knot in my gut about the impossible situation the boys were left in. I was actually really happy for a change that the preview gave away a big scene because otherwise I don't think I would survive this week from anxiety.(And really, I don't need to spend my week tied up in knots over a TV show!)

However, from a logic POV I was infuriated.
-Set up a terrible moral quandry for Cas and then give him an easy out in making the nephilim go bad after all, so what was the point in making her sweet and innocent initially?
-Where is Kevin? He's just...forgotten.
-Put Abadon back together without any precautions?!?! I am so upset about how STUPID they made the boys for that, when it would have been so easy to have her chair in a devil's trap, and then the hand could have crawled down and scratched open the trap. I'll give them the ease with which she got the bullet out (which Cas did last week too) and yeah, leaving her alone was bad but getting a call from Crowley could take priority...but where was their basic hunter common sense???
-Oh, and how did Crowley know about Jenny from season 7? Do the books go that far? I was under the impression they end at Swan Song, because, you know, Chuck disappeared...so who wrote the rest of them? The writer couldn't think of any other rescuees from the first 5 seasons?
-Cas being played and not consulting with Dean--been there, done that.

Sigh. I am thisclose to writing season 8 off...
percysowner
May. 9th, 2013 02:46 pm (UTC)
I agree with all of these, especially the making the nephilim the aggressor so that Cas wouldn't be seen in as bad a light. They didn't give Sam that excuse with the nurse at the end of season four, but Cas gets an out.

Your other points are all good ones as well. This season has had massive problems for me and this episode really had so many of the things I dislike in it.
hells_half_acre
May. 9th, 2013 04:46 pm (UTC)
I really don't think the Nephilim was made the aggressor. I think she legitimately defended herself. Yeah, she was AGGRESSIVE about defending herself, but they still attacked her first after she told them not to - and then she was a bad-ass. I don't think that vindicated Castiel's decision at all, since she wouldn't have been choking Metatron if Castiel hadn't decided to go along with the plan.

So, no, Cas didn't get an out. He still killed a completely innocent girl. Just because she used her powers and angry-words when she defended herself doesn't make her bad.
hells_half_acre
May. 9th, 2013 04:43 pm (UTC)
I was actually really happy for a change that the preview gave away a big scene because otherwise I don't think I would survive this week from anxiety.(And really, I don't need to spend my week tied up in knots over a TV show!)

This is why I actually don't mind people spoiling most shows for me. Supernatural is my exception, but because it's the exception it's the ONLY one. Every other show I watch, I prefer to either be a comedy or to be enough seasons in that I'm playing catch up and already know vaguely where the characters are going to end up.

-Set up a terrible moral quandry for Cas and then give him an easy out in making the nephilim go bad after all, so what was the point in making her sweet and innocent initially?

I don't think they made her bad at all. Yeah, she defended herself angrily, but who wouldn't? If you had attacked the Winchesters, they would have appeared to be just as "bad" in their angry defending. Maybe it's the sexism thing, where she's just supposed to roll over and die? Or scream and whimper if she's innocent?

Regardless though, I think the line that stood out was "I try to be good" - that reminded me so much of Cas. I don't think Cas was any happier about killing her after she defended herself then he was before he came at her.

-Where is Kevin? He's just...forgotten.

I'm assuming they left him protected at Metatron's place, given that he's been telling Metatron all about Castiel and such.

-Put Abadon back together without any precautions?!?! I am so upset about how STUPID they made the boys for that, when it would have been so easy to have her chair in a devil's trap, and then the hand could have crawled down and scratched open the trap. I'll give them the ease with which she got the bullet out (which Cas did last week too) and yeah, leaving her alone was bad but getting a call from Crowley could take priority...but where was their basic hunter common sense???

Now THIS, I completely agree with. It was unbelievably sloppy, and I'm using "unbelievably" for a reason there. :P

-Oh, and how did Crowley know about Jenny from season 7? Do the books go that far? I was under the impression they end at Swan Song, because, you know, Chuck disappeared...so who wrote the rest of them? The writer couldn't think of any other rescuees from the first 5 seasons?

Crowley also told them that he's been using his own research, because wherever the Winchesters go, they tend to "leave a mess behind" - and you have to admit that the mess in Prosperity, IN, was pretty big. So it's not just the books.

Sigh. I am thisclose to writing season 8 off...

Sorry you feel that way. I'm loving this season, but I had to write S7 off, so I know how you feel. :P
katsheswims
May. 9th, 2013 01:17 pm (UTC)
I really enjoyed this episode! Which you know because you already commented on my reaction :)

I loved your thoughts.

There were a couple things that bugged me in the episode, but Crowley's monologue and that scene...it just was so awesome.

I'm glad Dean hasn't just forgiven Cas because Cas really hasn't learned from his mistakes--which we can see already playing out again in this episode!

I'm also wary of Metatron now. Sam convinced him that he shouldn't ignore the real world and read stories all the time, but now he's determined to create his OWN story (he even said to Cas that this will make a great story). And you know you can't trust authors not to hurt their characters and make sacrifices to make a better story...
hells_half_acre
May. 9th, 2013 04:48 pm (UTC)
I'm also wary of Metatron now. Sam convinced him that he shouldn't ignore the real world and read stories all the time, but now he's determined to create his OWN story (he even said to Cas that this will make a great story). And you know you can't trust authors not to hurt their characters and make sacrifices to make a better story...

Indeed. Just because he's a runaway angel, doesn't mean that he's not just another manipulative angel with his own agenda. He's been to heaven, he's seen the chaos, and he sees a way to improve his own station - get more power for himself... or at least, that's one cynical way to look at it. I just don't trust him.
percysowner
May. 9th, 2013 02:52 pm (UTC)
I understand Dean not forgiving Cas, but it bothers me that helping to release Lucifer didn't do it and conspiring with Crowley to open Purgatory didn't do it and breaking Sam's wall didn't do it and killing thousands of people and half the angels didn't do it. Dean decides to not forgive Cas after Cas has been under the control of another being for months. Cas not trusting anyone other than himself makes sense and NOW Dean doesn't trust him.

I don't trust Metatron either. He says he wrote the tablets under God's instructions, but who can dispute that. They could just be his work. I'm also not sure the demon was "cured" in the movie. Demons can make themselves look human and if someone were torturing me and made it clear that they wanted me to feel human remorse over what I had done, I would have changed my tune pretty quickly.

This just didn't come together for me.
hells_half_acre
May. 9th, 2013 04:56 pm (UTC)
Dean decides to not forgive Cas after Cas has been under the control of another being for months. Cas not trusting anyone other than himself makes sense and NOW Dean doesn't trust him.

Yeah, but if you think about it, Cas had excuses the other times before... at some point, Dean has to decide that enough is enough no matter how legitimate the excuse is. The fact of the matter is that Cas only VAGUELY knows why Dean is mad at him. He only dug the whole deeper when he apologized for "everything" instead of "I'm sorry I didn't trust you." Because that's what Dean actually wants to hear, but he doesn't want to have to TELL Cas that that's what he needs to apologize for.

And yes, maybe it makes sense for Cas not to trust anyone, but I don't think Dean sees himself as "anyone" - and you could argue that Dean's wrong about that, and you would be right - Dean's not perfect, and his issues around family-betrayals/abandonment make him quick to anger under certain circumstances.

And really, Dean still isn't cutting him out completely. He's making Cas serve penance, which is something that Cas understands... if Dean didn't want anything to do with him anymore, he wouldn't have brought him home and given him a bed to recover in.

I'm also not sure the demon was "cured" in the movie. Demons can make themselves look human and if someone were torturing me and made it clear that they wanted me to feel human remorse over what I had done, I would have changed my tune pretty quickly.

It's true, and the thought did cross my mind as well. That being said, it was a pretty damn convincing performance if Supernatural wanted to through that curve ball at us.
fourtenpm
May. 9th, 2013 06:11 pm (UTC)
so that in the finale they can either triumph or, since this is Supernatural, drop even lower...

I lol-ed at this, it's funny, 'cause it's true.

And the reason why they did not call Cas about Sarah was because, I suppose, that Cas disappeared on them AGAIN, and they didn't know if they called, he would answer.

I like how Dean is all let's do this, and Sam is I am too tired and lost too much to continue. They do support each other so well.

And I think, I am really not good at this, but the street where Cas and Metatron shopped on looked like the one in Wishful Thinking.
hells_half_acre
May. 9th, 2013 06:16 pm (UTC)
And I think, I am really not good at this, but the street where Cas and Metatron shopped on looked like the one in Wishful Thinking.

Well close? They're both small towns surrounded by water and mountains - but Cas and Metatron were shopping in Deep Cove, as it turns out, and Wishful thinking was filmed in Squamish.

And the reason why they did not call Cas about Sarah was because, I suppose, that Cas disappeared on them AGAIN, and they didn't know if they called, he would answer.

Very true. That was the first thing on the list that Dean was pissed at him for - ignoring them when they called. Still, even if you can't really rely on someone, it'd be good to give it a try anyway.
4422shini
May. 10th, 2013 10:10 am (UTC)
Me watching the opening teaser: Oh, look. Another episode where they bring back estranged/forgotten characters and then kill them off horrifically.

I'm going to go with the unpopular opinion that this was a horrible episode (coming after such a good previous one makes it even more painful). I felt like there was some seriously bad or ill thought out writing in this episode.

Wasn't this killing your survivors/associates tactic already done by Meg? I know that Sam would be all upset after they failed to save Sarah, but actually contemplating giving up? How many people have they actually saved? 400? 1000? Versus closing the gates of hell forever? Sam, it sucks, but just keep going! I mean, it's not that hard for them to summon demons. Yes, Crowley's keeping them all back, but as we've been shown again and a again, they're pretty gullible. You just have to lure them out.

Which brings me to the 'why would you waste your time/energy on Abbadon?' issue. Get a dumb cross roads demon! I'd like to point out that Abbadon's a big fish and they took a huge risk partially reassembling her and it didn't work out at all because she escaped. Guys, bad planning!

The nephillim was kind of a cop out. They justified her death by her enthusiastically defending herself, which somehow makes it okay..?

One thing I did really enjoy in this episode, was Dean and Cas' interactions. Dean's not letting Cas off the hook easily, not this time. I also like how Cas goes out and tries to assemble tokens of Dean's affections. Adorable.

Anywho.


I know I'm being a Negative Nancy right now, but I just felt like, 'really? this is episode 22?' This doesn't lead me into feeling like, 'omfg what's next?!' I just feel bored :(

Really don't know how to anticipate the finale... I think this will be the make or break finale for a lot of fangirls.
hells_half_acre
May. 10th, 2013 04:17 pm (UTC)
I felt like there was some seriously bad or ill thought out writing in this episode.

I worry about this with the Cas storyline, but oddly enough not with the Winchester one.

Wasn't this killing your survivors/associates tactic already done by Meg? I know that Sam would be all upset after they failed to save Sarah, but actually contemplating giving up? How many people have they actually saved? 400? 1000? Versus closing the gates of hell forever? Sam, it sucks, but just keep going! I mean, it's not that hard for them to summon demons. Yes, Crowley's keeping them all back, but as we've been shown again and a again, they're pretty gullible. You just have to lure them out.

While I agree with you, I also think that they needed SOMETHING to throw Sam off the course and if you really think about Sam's character - there's not a hell of a lot that will throw him off a course once he's determined. Actually, NOTHING will. So, I think killing his old crush was probably the best they could come up with - maybe we think that even that wouldn't throw Sam off the course, but it's more believable than anything else they could have done, IMO.

Now, did they NEED to throw Sam off the course? Maybe not. I'll judge next episode.

Which brings me to the 'why would you waste your time/energy on Abbadon?' issue. Get a dumb cross roads demon! I'd like to point out that Abbadon's a big fish and they took a huge risk partially reassembling her and it didn't work out at all because she escaped. Guys, bad planning!

Now THIS, I agree with.

The nephillim was kind of a cop out. They justified her death by her enthusiastically defending herself, which somehow makes it okay..?

Am I the only one who didn't see this as a justification? I didn't even realize that was what they were going for... if it was, then I guess I'm pretty pissed off about it.

Really don't know how to anticipate the finale... I think this will be the make or break finale for a lot of fangirls.

Hmmm... well, NOW I'm a bit concerned. :P But, either way, the finale will be interesting to watch! I'm very curious about what storyline they're going to be following in S9. I've really liked S8, except for the Sam-storyline problem in the first half, and the pacing problem throughout... so I still have faith that whatever S9 brings, I'll probably enjoy that too. :P
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