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Quick Reaction: 8x21 The Great Escapist

Man, Edlund always brings the goods, doesn't he?

Just like last week, I was able to watch the show on the east-coast feed and PVR it... which means that I can actually watch it back when I type this. (And timeline as I go.) I'm also going to be eating dinner though, so most likely by the time I finish, it'll be just like I watched it on the west-coast feed like normal.

I should warn you that I'm also exhausted and most likely going to drink while I eat dinner - so...yeah... I'll probably be channeling some of our more run-down intrepid heroes....Therefore, you will actually get song lyrics this week, because I was singing this song anyway...

So the teaser! Man, I was confused for a second... though, what does annoy me is the fact that the windows were blown out and then suddenly they weren't - and I was sure that meant that Crowley was all in Kevin's head and he had just gone crazy. But no, Crowley had actually taken him, so it was just a weird continuity error.

But back to being confused... Kevin wakes up on Garth's boat and gets back to work...and the Winchesters stop by, and I kept waiting for some caption to pop up and say "a month ago" or something, but it never did. And then the Winchesters started acting just a LITTLE bit OTT and I realized that it was all a clever ploy somehow to get Kevin to reveal his secrets to friends rather than go for the straight-up torture.

You have to hand it to Jared and Jensen, they do a really good job playing Sam and Dean just SLIGHTLY wrong... especially Jared, who's whole stance and face seems off the whole time.

And Crowley sees it too -
"...that's the way DEAN speaks. Sam, he's... more basic, more sincere."
How much do I love the fact that Ben Edlund wrote this script? A hell of a lot... this episode is yet another feast of meta, more subtle than the French Mistake, but just as rich. And I love the fact that Ben is basically giving us fanfiction writing tips through Crowley.

Also, where the heck is Crowley that he can do this? Hell? It's cool that they got to reuse those Egyptian pillars, but do they have something to do with Crowley's dream-machine?! I'm SO CURIOUS.

"I was born to direct"
-Brilliant!

Title card and cut to the Winchesters...

Dean made Sam soup... Awwww.... and he asks if they need to do the whole "airplane thing with the spoon", and it's ADORABLE. But mostly I love the backstory it gives us - the fact that John would make them "kitchen sink stew" with "enough cayenne pepper to burn your lips off." The cayenne pepper thing reminds me of MY dad. Actually, right now I'm eating pasta with a whole bunch of cayenne pepper added to the sauce, because that's how I was raised to expect pasta to taste (like burning.)

Dean just wants to look after Sam, and Sam won't let him... frustrating for both of them. Poor Dean though, I feel bad for him, he must be going out of his mind with worry. Sam hasn't eaten for THREE DAYS. I forget what it is, but I think you can survive three days without water and three weeks without food... or something like that... mind you, I don't remember the source on that.

Email from Kevin with a video attachment... the "in case of death" video. But before we get to that, can I talk about the frustrating fact that they've gotten REALLY good at hiding dates from me. The email account just says "yesterday" and "today" for the time received... and Dean's phone is carefully framed so that I can't see a date or time on it. You evil bastards. That being said, it's a DIFFERENT Mythology Weekly email sitting in Sam's inbox (and it is Sam's inbox, as we see when Dean opens the email)...not only is it a different Mythology Weekly email from last week, but the subject is "This Month we focus on Inca mythology" - this MONTH...which to me means that it's most likely the start of a new month and the next four Mythology Weekly emails should all be Inca themed. :P

Anyway, poor Kevin thinks he's dead... and man, he REALLY gets into it. It's not the calm cool collected video of someone who is only making this "just in case", he really reacts to being dead.

"I'm sorry. I know it was my job, but I couldn't- I'm sorry."
-Way to break my heart Kevin Tran... and Dean's too. I really love Dean's reaction.

Garth is still missing... I'm wondering if something happened to him.

"We should have moved him here."
-Yeah, I was kind of wondering why you didn't.

CAS! Cas is eating at a Biggersons... does he REALLY think that's a good idea? Hahaha... he's acquired a taste for coffee. And, in keeping with our theme this latter part of the season, he seems lonely to me. Like, he's talking to the waitress and it's just seems like he wants to have a friend and it breaks my heart... even though he seems like a crazy person, because he's talking about watching humans learn how to make coffee back in the day.

And then a civilian actually sees him disappear! Haha, that doesn't happen very often... but the angels are after Cas.

Cut to Naomi.

ION! Oh man, I loved the name as soon as I heard it. I should have known it was too good to be true. He's a cutie too. Sigh.

But Cas is being brilliant, he's using the sameness of Biggerson to confuse the angels. It's kind of hilarious - and very Edlund.

Back to the Winchesters. Sam recognizes Metatrons signature... and Sam saw it at Stanford. In an humanities course - an OVERVIEW OF NATIVE AMERICAN ART. Guys, this is the second time in the series that Sam's talked about taking art courses... he took Art HIstory too, remember? I'm really starting to wonder if that easel in Sam and Jess' apartment actually belonged to Sam after all. I mean, yeah, we know he can't draw a police suspect sketch in a notebook, but maybe realism just isn't his forte. The paintings in his and Jess' apartment were more abstract. GUYS I'M KIND OF FREAKING OUT!

Sam is freaking out too! THEY MUST GO TO COLORADO!

"You're not- you're not really supposed to say Indians, it's not- we should go!"
-HAHAHA, I LOVE YOU, SAM! I love that you are basic and sincere and you are trying your best to be sensitive in your language.

Back to Cas. The angels have slaughtered the Santa Fe Biggersons... and Cas' compassion is what gets him trapped in the end. Poor Cas. He loves too much... or rather, he loves the right amount, and everyone else loves too little.

Off to Colorado... where you have a hotel that makes me wonder whether the building actually exists, or if it's all CGI. It kind of creeps me out, because it looks like a Residential School to me, and, yeah, Residential Schools creep me out. The sign looks like a knock off of the hotel up in Squamish though, next to The Chief (which is the name of a mountain.) I'm pretty sure the interior is the same place in Stanley Park that they used for the Supernatural Convention back in S5 though.

I love how the concierge never talks. There's a metaphor in there somewhere. I also love how freaked out he looks that there's actually people who want to stay at the hotel. And Sam starts hearing things....

Back to Cas! Naomi's arrived now, and she kills the woman that Cas was going to try to heal.

"We were supposed to be their shepherd's not their murders"
"Not always, angel."
-You know, I'm starting to think that it's not the religious wars on earth, but the religious wars in Heaven that we have to worry about.
-Also, Naomi calls Cas "angel"...which either is an indication that she herself is not one, or that she's trying to remind him of his place. I'm thinking the later, since all signs point to Naomi being a legit angel.

Anyway, Naomi brings up the whole slaughter of the firstborns in Egypt thing. There's nothing like a good sequence of plagues to get your point across, after all. Cas says that he wasn't there, and Naomi tells him that he was but that he doesn't remember it. And we find out that this isn't the first time that Naomi has "torn into" Cas' head and "washed it clean."

Naomi goes on a huge rant about how Castiel has always been the "spanner in the works" and that he's never done what he's told, "not completely"... and "you don't even die right, do you?"
- I think a lot of fans might get a little cheesed off at this, because it diminishes the whole "Cas rebelled for Dean" dynamic that a lot of fans love. But frankly, I LOVE this addition to Cas' backstory. The fact that he may have been made different. I kind of wonder if maybe Castiel is god's little experiment with angels and free will. Free will gets brought up later in this episode too. But I think what I love most about it is the fact that Naomi implies that the only reason they haven't killed Castiel is because he never stays dead! Cas' resurrections, which he sees as a punishment, might actually be a symptom of a larger issue with Cas... and I'm thinking that the resurrections might be more a punishment for the rest of the angels rather than Cas. I mean, the spanner might not enjoy being in the works, but I guarantee whoever wants that machine to work is even more pissed off about the situation, especially if the spanner keeps on throwing himself in there every time the machinist takes it out. :P

Back to Kevin! As soon as Kevin sent them for Pad Thai, I knew that he was on to the fact that they were fake.

I also love Crowley's kiss-ass film crew.

Back to Sam and Dean! You know, it's really creepy when you're the only guests in a HUGE motel. Didn't they like...film a movie about that once... I think it was called The Shining. :P

Sam is busy being delirious, yet delirious with an AMAZING memory. Apparently the guys HAVE been to the Grand Canyon, only they were around 4 and 8 respectively. They rode donkeys! I DEMAND ADORABLE WEECHESTERS ON DONKEYS FANART!! Dean's dockey was farty - Sam found that hilarious as a 4 year-old, and he finds it hilarious now. Dean must have blocked it out of his memory for a reason - it's never nice when your little brother laughs at your farty donkey.

"I'm going to follow the hotel manager, Dr. Scowly-Scowl. He's like a villain from Scooby Doo."
-Oh feverish delirious Sam, I kind of love you.

Dean goes to a museum, and Sam wanders the halls.

Sam's reaction to the lights is very similar to mine... but I don't have a fever to blame, I just really don't like bright lights.

Sam finds lots of books! And then goes back to the room and passes out...thankfully, he manages to dial, Dean first.

Back to Cas! Naomi's trying to get the angel tablet, and then Crowley shows up with an ANGEL GUN. And yeah, melting down an angel sword to make bullets? Kind of ingenious.

But before we get to that explanation, we jump back to Sam and Dean! SAM IS IN AN ICEBATH! It's like a whole bunch of fanfics come to life! He had a fever of 107 (I'm pretty sure that means your brain is boiling or something)...and Dean shoved him in an icebath until he came to! Oddly, UNDER THE WATER. I'm not sure that's safe first-aid, Dean...uh, just saying.

Anyway, Sam is connected to metatron somehow - the books are the stories, and it's off to find him! Just as soon as we get back from....

Jumping to Cas and Crowley (and Naomi) again. Crowley brags about his gun - and man, yeah, smart. But Naomi disappears before Crowley shoots her. And we find out that Ion is a double agent... sad. I liked him. He was cute... but yeah, double-agents don't live long. Also, Crowley shoots Cas in the stomach! Not good! Especially since it obviously damages his grace.

And here we find out the problem with your enemy knowing you TOO well. Crowley knows exactly where Cas put the tablet. The tablet breaks the spell Naomi had over Cas, so why would Cas stop touching the tablet? And...,yeah... Cas sliced himself open and put the tablet in his body cavity. And Crowley just rips it out... so gross.

Back to Sam and Dean...and Sam is still remembering their childhood... only this time, instead of a farty donkey, it's HEARTBREAK.

Dean used to read to Sam, so long ago that Dean doesn't even remember doing it. Classic Comic Illustrated - and the story of King Arthur and the Round Table. And Sam remembers looking at the picture of Sir Galahad, with light streaming all around him, and...

"I remember thinking, 'I could never go on a quest like that'...."
-and I love Dean's reaction here, because it's incongruous to what those stories are supposed to be for kids and he knows it. Kids are supposed to picture themselves in the hero - they're supposed to believe that they too could be that awesome.
"...because I'm not clean."
- And that there is the sound of my heart breaking... right along with Sam and Dean's... because the thought of little Sam somehow KNOWING that he was tainted, that he had an evil inside of him - even though it was forced inside of him against his will - oh man, that breaks my heart.

And it kills me how hard it still is for Sam to talk about the fact that he's not 100% human, that there's a part of him that's been tainted. GODDAMN IT JARED! YOUR ACTING IS BREAKING MY HEART!

"It doesn't matter anymore, because these trials - they're purifying me!"
- Sam has the same headcanon as I do!!! I really really hope he turns out to be right. Once we found out about the demon blood in S2, I started thinking that that's why Sam grew up to be so goddamn big and strong... bigger and stronger than Dean... because the YED basically said it was better than mother's milk or multivitamins or whatever it was. Sam had the least amount of psychic power out of all the special kids, but (save for Jake Talley) he had the most amount of physical stature and strength.

Book room!! And Metatron cocks a gun... I love how Dean puts out his hand to keep Sam behind him. I love all the subtle character things like that - they're always my favourite.

Sam can't hear a bloody thing because of the weird stuff going on in his head.

And yeah, Edlund knows how to write the best conversations, because Metatron doesn't know who the Winchesters are, and asks if they're working for Michael or Lucifer... obviously, he hasn't gotten to the Supernatural books in his reading list yet. "We're the friggin' Winchesters!"

Back to Cas and Ion! Seriously though, Ion is a cutie.

"We're not machines for them to program and reprogram - that wasn't what this was meant to be."
- And we return to free will, and the fact that Cas seems to be the only angel that can achieve it. And  Ion has a point too, without free will, nothing matters. I'd argue though, that Ion exercised free will by being a double-agent for Crowley... and that's a mistake that Cas has made too in the past, though to a lesser degree of intent.

Back to Crowley and Kevin... I love how the angel tablet is still coated in Cas' insides. Lovely.

I also love how Kevin knew it wasn't Sam and Dean because they were TOO POLITE and NICE! Hahaha, oh demons, you overcompensated. :P

Metatron didn't know that Raphael and Gabriel were dead. :( I guess he wasn't close with them though, seeing as how he's afraid of all the archangels.

Metatron is a secretary who knows state secrets.  I LOVE how Supernatural twists myths. This is AWESOME.

Metatron ran, much like Gabriel, and much like Gabriel, Sam and Dean are NOT IMPRESSED. I think the moral of Supernatural is that you aren't allowed to lay low and save yourself if you can help others. As someone who is very good at laying low and saving myself, I'm not sure I'm entirely comfortable with that moral. :P

Back to Ion and Cas. Ion explains that when you work for "intelligence", you can see all the dirt that the angels are covered in - Cas had the beautiful lie of being humanity's shepherd, and I'm guessing that whenever he saw something that stripped that lie away, he rebelled and then was "reset" to once again believe the lie. Ion didn't have the luxury of a lie. He knew what he was doing, but I guess wasn't strong enough to rebel - or at least, not rebel the RIGHT way. I think Ion is pretty suicidal at this point, really.

And Cas kills him... bullet pushed into the eye... ouch, yet strangely effective. I'm guessing eyes are a weak spot for angels.

Back to Metatron! He loves storytelling! It's a manifestation of free will. "When you create stories, you become gods of tiny intricate dimensions unto themselves. So many worlds!" - and MAN, I love this, because it's true... Chuck said it first, "I am a cruel and capricious god." And I think anyone who writes feels like the god of their own fictional universe...hell, if we go post-modern, then we can apply the same thing to non-fiction as well.

Sam has had ENOUGH though! He doesn't care about how awesome the act of storytelling is - he cares about the fact that people are suffering while Metatron READS. And Dean's pissed off because he realizes that Kevin is Metatron's prophet, but Metatron isn't looking out for him... and you know, I never really made that connection - the fact that Kevin was Metatron's prophet, since Metatron IS the word of God.

Back to Kevin and Crowley... I love badass Kevin with nothing to lose. He's brilliant! Even if he's only all talk because he's waiting for death.... but instead when Crowley attacks, Kevin goes ANGEL on him... seriously, I was really thinking that Kevin had at some point become possessed, but no, Metatron just arrives to protect his prophet from inside his prophet, I guess. :P

Dean and Metatron have a talk. The way Metatron reacts to the idea of closing hell makes me think that maybe closing hell ISN'T a good thing. "What will it take to do this, and what will the world be like after it's done?"

Kevin wakes up and the sneaky bugger has the second half of the demon tablet and knows the third trial now. "To Cure a Demon." - uh... what?

And Kevin meets Metatron, though we don't actually see the part where Metatron introduces himself - but regardless, I now want Kevin and Metatron to be BFFs.

Time for Winchesters to drive in the dark! Dean is just as confused as I am about the third trial. Sam is feeling better now that they know what the third trial is. Which is good, because he's gotta be well enough to do it, whatever it is.

And then SURPRISE CAS! Who is still bleeding out through his stomach, and lying in the middle of the road... well, that's one way to get the Winchester's attention.

Man, what an episode. So MUCH to digest - my favourite bits were Sam's memories from when the were kids, one was such a light-hearted fluffy story and the other one RIPPED MY HEART OUT. I also LOVE the deepening of Castiel's character story. Edlund remains my favourite writer on this show - I don't see that changing anytime soon. He's got such a mind for character, dialogue, and philosophical debate wrapped in plot... so brilliant.

Next week's promo is pretty indecipherable to me! I don't know what the heck is going on,[spoilers]besides the fact that it looks like Sam's going to try to cure Abbadon?! MAYBE AIM LOWER, SAM!

I hope you all enjoyed the episode as much as I did! Let us now discuss it in comments!!

Comments

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afastmachine
May. 2nd, 2013 05:54 am (UTC)
I really enjoyed it, honestly. Basically for all the same reasons you did really. It was just packed full of so much stuff, character and plot wise. It was good episode that really hit all the points it should have. It was what the build-up to a finale should be(unlike 7x21).

I'm still very frustrated that Dean's arc seems to have been shoved to the bottom of the things we give a fuck about pile(especially after reading an interview Carver gave about the end of the season), but I'm enjoying the brotherly bits and Dean being caring and just loving Sam too goddamn much. I'm sure the Wincest fans are going nuts over this episode. The bits about how when they were younger and in the beginning Dean trying to be a mommy hen to Sam.

I LOVED that Cas is the perpetual spanner in the works. Then again, I love the idea of God sitting there making Cas, knowing that one day the angels will go insane, and this one, this one will never conform. I love the idea that SPN has always put out, destiny or free will, and how it actually seems like neither is a set thing. They aren't exclusive concepts. IDK. I just love it, and I love the way that Edlund plays with it, going all the way back to On the Head of a Pin and the reveal that Dean is the Righteous Man and his actions were predicted.
hells_half_acre
May. 2nd, 2013 05:00 pm (UTC)
It was good episode that really hit all the points it should have. It was what the build-up to a finale should be(unlike 7x21).

What was 7x21? I don't even remember now... but I'll take your word for it, because S7 was full of disappointment.

I'm still very frustrated that Dean's arc seems to have been shoved to the bottom of the things we give a fuck about pile

I'm not! Haha... seriously though, I can see your point - but at the same time, I kind of feel that the front end of the season was all built around Dean and his relationships and character growth, while Sam was kind of OOC - so, I'm really happy that Sam's getting some time to carry the plot and be himself, you know? And same goes for Cas - if Cas is going to be a regular next year, I think it's good that they start building up a usable storyline for him - and if that means that Dean has to take a backseat for a moment, then I'm cool with that - we've gotten a lot of Dean storylines over the years that we can always go back and watch if we miss him.

I'm sure the Wincest fans are going nuts over this episode.

Like I said, a whole bunch of fanfics just came to life. :P It's too bad that wincest squicks me.... but thankfully, I can enjoy the scenes because "awww...brothers."

Then again, I love the idea of God sitting there making Cas, knowing that one day the angels will go insane, and this one, this one will never conform. I love the idea that SPN has always put out, destiny or free will, and how it actually seems like neither is a set thing. They aren't exclusive concepts. IDK. I just love it, and I love the way that Edlund plays with it, going all the way back to On the Head of a Pin and the reveal that Dean is the Righteous Man and his actions were predicted.

Agreed completely. Destiny vs. Free Will, Freedom vs. Peace... it all comes back to these concepts... I really think that debate was central to what made S1-S5 so intriguing to watch - and I think what made S6 interesting was that it was Sera exploring what happens when you have complete free will (you make HUGE mistakes)... and I think S7 suffered for not engaging in the debate, so I'm happy that they're getting back to it with this tablet storyline.

Anyway, yeah, fantastic episode. :)
afastmachine
May. 2nd, 2013 07:45 pm (UTC)
I don't either; I believe it was the one with Meg and Cas and Sam and Dean plotting in the cabin? Not sure though.

It's just frustrating that almost all of his arcs have been the same take-care-of-Sam thing retread over and over. I don't mind it too much, but I do think that if they keep reusing the Sam-has-something-happen-to-him-and-Dean-must-save-him plot, it will get super thin super fast. I think it's hurting both the brothers 'cause it's always putting them in the same situation. The details change, but it's the same and I think it's stalling their character development. I like how it's played out this season for the most part I'm just so tired of it. It's already four seasons old. They need individual arcs that are strong on their own if they're gonna keep at this.

/rant

The main reason I think S7 was so bad was because they did away with the overarching themes and goals and just tried to make a MOTW season, and it came off feeling wrong(to me).
hells_half_acre
May. 2nd, 2013 08:05 pm (UTC)
I don't either; I believe it was the one with Meg and Cas and Sam and Dean plotting in the cabin? Not sure though.

Was that the one that Edlund directed? Yes, Reading is Fundamental! I actually liked the way that episode was written - but I saw this great meta on how Edlund's directing style might have caused the episode to fall a little flat, and I couldn't help but agree with it. Basically, Edlund favours still-shots - there isn't a lot of movement in his camerawork, and when you get an episode that's really heavy on exposition and has a LOT of characters standing in one room, and you don't add movement to the scene, you get a whole bunch of talking heads and it feels like you're watching a boring news debate rather than an intense situation.

It's just frustrating that almost all of his arcs have been the same take-care-of-Sam thing retread over and over. I don't mind it too much, but I do think that if they keep reusing the Sam-has-something-happen-to-him-and-Dean-must-save-him plot, it will get super thin super fast.

Hmmm... I'm going to have to disagree with you here. I mean, I can understand why the plots could be interpreted like that, but I honestly don't think that's what any of them have been about since S5 ended (actually, arguably, since S2 ended, in my opinion.) I mean, yes, Sam keeps having bad things happen to him, and Dean remains the concerned older brother - but I also think that S3-S5 were just as much about Sam looking after/saving Dean.

I think it's hurting both the brothers 'cause it's always putting them in the same situation. The details change, but it's the same and I think it's stalling their character development.

When it comes to S6 and S7, things get a little muddy, because it's true that Sera's go to plot device seemed to be Sam-whump, but I actually think that the way Dean reacted to it showed a great deal of character development.

I think part of the problem is that the show is continually told from Dean's POV, so we get so entrenched in Dean's perspective that it's hard to see the rest of the forest, you know? The fact of the matter is that I think even if the show were to give Dean and Sam different character arcs, by the nature of Dean's character, there'd ALWAYS be a worry for Sam at the same time as whatever else he was dealing with - which means that everyone would still be complaining that all Dean does is react to Sam's story, because Dean can't LIVE without reacting to everything that Sam does in one way or another, and because the show is primarily Dean's POV, it means that Sam's behaviour is also always the central focus for the audience, whether Sam's doing well or not.

Anyway, I DO agree that the boys could only benefit from individual arcs - the problem is that I think that's what they tried in the first half of this season and they completely messed up Sam's... which makes me really concerned that it's just something that the writers either don't know how to do well or they've now gotten too scared to try it again.

The main reason I think S7 was so bad was because they did away with the overarching themes and goals and just tried to make a MOTW season, and it came off feeling wrong(to me).

Agreed.
ashkiryn
May. 2nd, 2013 06:16 am (UTC)
Oh man, this episode! KEVIN AND CAS, MY BADASS BABIES, I LOVE YOU BOTH UNTIL THE END OF TIME!!!!!!!!!! Truly, Kevin has come so far...he's not only tricked and screwed over Crowley once, he KEEPS doing it, and fuck, most people can't keep up with Crowley, but Kevin can, and I just....love it so much. Guess there's truly a reason why Kevin was in AP, huh?

And CAS FOREVER, AW MAN, I LOVE HIM AND THESE HINTS TO HIS BACKSTORY SO MUCH. And I love that apparently no matter how many times Naomi has scrubbed his brain clean, he still retains his heart, and he continues to love (Dean especially, but also Sam and Bobby and Free Will and humanity in general).

Oh, and Crowley is a fucking genius, melting down an angel sword into bullets, and knowing Cas as well as he does. At least we have him underestimating Kevin and the Winchesters to balance out the scales. And I really want to know Crowley and Naomi's history.

Other things I loved in this episode (besides everything)? Dean mothering Sam, making him soup and trying to take his temperature and giving him an ice bath, and just DEAN WINCHESTER, I LOVE YOU AND YOUR MOTHER HEN TENDENCIES SO FUCKING MUCH. AND THEN YOU JUST HAD TO CALL KEVIN "KIDDO", AND GODDAMN IT, STOP BEING ADORABLE.

AND SOMEBODY HAD BETTER CALL FUCKING LINDA ALREADY, JFC.

I will love Metatron solely for his speech about storytelling, BECAUSE YES YES YES FOREVER.

I also loved Sam's memory about Dean reading to him, and thinking even while young that he wasn't clean, and then Cas's lines about how angels aren't meant to be programmed, and both scenes also broke my heart. And SAM IS ADOPTING MY HEADCANON TOO, PLEASE BE RIGHT. Also I'm nervous now about the effects of closing the Gate to Hell. :/

It's also my headcanon that Cas was aiming for the backseat of the Impala and missed and ended up on the road in front of them instead. ^^ ;;;;

And fucking wow, but all of the actors really knocked it out of the park this episode, especially Jared.

BUT HOW COULD YOU END IT THERE, NOT FAIR.

And I'm so anxious for next week....*bites nails*
hells_half_acre
May. 2nd, 2013 04:49 pm (UTC)
Truly, Kevin has come so far...he's not only tricked and screwed over Crowley once, he KEEPS doing it, and fuck, most people can't keep up with Crowley, but Kevin can

It's true. Kevin is getting to back to his AP badass roots. :)

And I really want to know Crowley and Naomi's history.

Me too!

Other things I loved in this episode (besides everything)? Dean mothering Sam, making him soup and trying to take his temperature and giving him an ice bath, and just DEAN WINCHESTER, I LOVE YOU AND YOUR MOTHER HEN TENDENCIES SO FUCKING MUCH.

Mother!Dean is the awesomest :)

AND SOMEBODY HAD BETTER CALL FUCKING LINDA ALREADY, JFC.

No kidding! Is she really dead?! Just off screen like that without a proper Mrs. Tran is a badass farewell?!? If so, I am disappointed.

It's also my headcanon that Cas was aiming for the backseat of the Impala and missed and ended up on the road in front of them instead.

Hahahaha, mine too. ;)

And fucking wow, but all of the actors really knocked it out of the park this episode, especially Jared.

AGREED!!
ramblin_rosie
May. 2nd, 2013 06:24 am (UTC)
Metatron's comments about free will and creativity may prompt me to dig out the meta I started about whether or not Gabriel can create ex nihilo--because being a Tolkienist, I took that as kind of tap dancing around the idea of the imago dei, the fact that we are made in the image of a creative God and "we make still by the law in which we're made." The question is whether he, and by extension Edlund, meant that human creativity is subcreative, making Secondary Worlds out of the fabric of the Primary World that God created from nothing (or a similar-but-more-Augustinian version of the idea espoused by Lewis and probably Sayers, though I haven't actually read The Mind of the Maker), or whether the concept of creativity and godlikeness is more like the Romantics' notion of the writer being God's equal in the creative act.
[/Religion and Lit nerd]

ANYWAY. Awesome ep, clearly Part 1 of 3, and we can haz Chuck back nao plz?

Edited to switch that "probably"--I have studied Lewis' views, such as they can be found in his essays, but I haven't read Sayers.

Edited at 2013-05-02 06:29 am (UTC)
hells_half_acre
May. 2nd, 2013 04:46 pm (UTC)
See, this is what I love about Edlund's episodes! Mind you, I don't think Supernatural will ever really answer that question - I think they like posing philosophical questions and then kind of just debating the answers with the plot, but not necessarily arguing for one stance or another.

I doubt Chuck will ever come back though... as Rob Benedict said - he was Kripke's avatar, and now that Kripke is gone, so is he.
thursdaysisters
May. 2nd, 2013 01:08 pm (UTC)
As to Sam's purification, you think he's coughing up the demon blood YED gave him?
hells_half_acre
May. 2nd, 2013 04:42 pm (UTC)
Yes, that's exactly what I think.
ellecc
May. 2nd, 2013 07:06 pm (UTC)
I think Sammy being purified, once and for all, is such a cool idea. I hope that's what's happening and that it's a GOOD thing and not a horrible thing that kills him! (Even if it's only a temporary death, I really am not up for more dead Winchesters.)

I really need to go back and rewatch the ep and try to be more positive about it. It honestly kind of lost me after the whole Grand Canyon thing because that's such a blatant disregard for canon, which seems to be the theme of the season--and it's grown tiresome. I know, I know, it was a single line in season 2, but still. It's not like Edlund wasn't around in season 2. Makes me wonder what their process is for "fact-checking" episodes. Giant database of the transcripts that they can search? Seems like that'd be pretty easy to have (particularly since it exists on the internet). And there were other continuity things that were good, like the reference to the demon blood, but still. Consistency, people.

And LOL, I felt the same way about the preview! I watched it like four times and was all, "What?" every time. But I'm looking forward to it!
hells_half_acre
May. 2nd, 2013 07:32 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I really hope that Sam is being purified - and that it will end up being a good thing. I just don't want it to lead to yet another "one year later" :P

The Grand Canyon thing didn't bug me, and I'll tell you why... I've never been to Canada's Wonderland, except that I have been. But, no, my official story is that I've never been to Canada's Wonderland, because when I DID go to Canada's Wonderland, I was so young that I barely remember it. I have a vague memory of two rides, one of which might actually be a dream that I had that's become a false memory... that's how vague the memories are. I was too young, and so BARELY remember it, that in my opinion I might as well have never been - I don't FEEL like I've ever been.

Makes me wonder what their process is for "fact-checking" episodes. Giant database of the transcripts that they can search? Seems like that'd be pretty easy to have (particularly since it exists on the internet).

I'm actually working on a project that's an epic fact-checking "quick" resource... but I'm not finished yet and it keeps taking a back-burning to other projects... but yeah, I do wonder what the writers do. They must have some sort of continuity document that they can refer to... but I know that Robbie Thompson has been caught without the writer's room resources at least once and had to rely on the SuperWiki only (in the end, it was one of the best episodes continuity-wise that they've ever done, so yeah...I'm starting to think fact-checking on the SuperWiki should be made mandatory.)

And LOL, I felt the same way about the preview! I watched it like four times and was all, "What?" every time. But I'm looking forward to it!

I guess that's one way to have a promo but still give nothing away! :P



Edited at 2013-05-02 07:33 pm (UTC)
Wedge Antilles
May. 2nd, 2013 09:56 pm (UTC)
In regards to the Grand Canyon thing, I think you're right that it doesn't count because he was so young. I also think you could look at as him being "taken" there by his father not "going" of his own will. I think he was referring to the fact that he never really stopped to smell the roses, which is something his father occasionally did. I hope that at least kinda made sense.
hells_half_acre
May. 2nd, 2013 10:21 pm (UTC)
That makes sense! I mean, it was one thing in a list of things that he'd driven past but never actually stopped to appreciate.
Wedge Antilles
May. 2nd, 2013 10:03 pm (UTC)
Oh, Crowley had Kevin's holodeck set up in an old movie theater (I assume it was an Egyptian themed theater or maybe the props were for a premiere.) You can see the seats in the background and Kevin's room was behind the screen. When the demon Winchesters leave they walk through a rip in the screen.

I was really impressed when I realized this because the scene's basically about Crowley trying to make movie magic. I love Supernatural's attention to detail.
hells_half_acre
May. 2nd, 2013 10:23 pm (UTC)
Ah, so the Egyptian statues were part of a weird old theatre... Okay, that makes sense.

Still, pretty amazing what Crowley can do - before it was just Gabriel and the angels that could manipulate reality around one person.
marlowe78
May. 6th, 2013 04:31 pm (UTC)
Hey ya :-)

Loved this episode! It was awesome, Crowley being sneaky instead of plain brutal was a bonus for me. Sure, I know he's evil and nasty - we saw him with poor Archie. But he's NOT just that, he tries to get his will by using the most efficient means - and if that's NOT physical pain, it's sneakiness.

Loved Kevin in this - will get to that later - and I loved Dean being hobbitty - uh, domestic.

And we find out that this isn't the first time that Naomi has "torn into" Cas' head and "washed it clean."

I thought at once that she was responsible for his turn of character in season four, when he was taken back to heaven for "reprogramming". *shudders*
I think Naomi really got more interesting this episode. Very sinister. Maybe because in all our ideas of angels, they're supposed to be BETTER than demons, and she so is not.

I also agree with you on liking the background for Castiel. He's a rebelling angel, and he has ALWAYS been one. Maybe during his time, he'd met more than one Dean Winchester (and noooo, I'm NOT talking about reincarnation, you Destiel-fans. Sheeesh.) and he's always been inclined to listen to them. And he's always been in love with humanity (which explains his affection for Dean - there's not many who are MORE human, with all their faults and all their failures and all their good hearts. Same counts for Sam as well, but he didn't rescue Sam from Hell, so...


SAM IS IN AN ICEBATH!

:-D

Yeah, that was awesome. I was shivering from the sight of the cubes, but then I melted again from thinking about Dean being so worried, running around getting ice and water and heaving Sam into the tub and ... yeah.


"We're not machines for them to program and reprogram - that wasn't what this was meant to be."

I liked Ion. And I understood his reasons. I don't like them, and I wouldn't say he's right by going with Crowley, but as it was: what options DID he have? Naomi, who manipulated them over and over, dug into their brains and "fixed" them whenever they uttered a word out of line? Humans? Who don't know that angels exist or that they aren't benevolent little flubby kids with wings?

There's NO ONE ELSE he could turn to, and the ONLY thing he knew was that being with Naomi was wrong. So if A is wrong, C is out of question... answer must be B, right?

I feel sad for him. :-(

Also, I wonder if Naomi can get to Cas again now, since he doesn't have the tablet?


Back to Crowley and Kevin... I love how the angel tablet is still coated in Cas' insides. Lovely.

I ADORED Kevin in that moment. For being smug and smirking, even though his worst fear was right in front of him. For being sneaky and smart and so much like a hunter... *hugs him*


Dean and Metatron have a talk. The way Metatron reacts to the idea of closing hell makes me think that maybe closing hell ISN'T a good thing. "What will it take to do this, and what will the world be like after it's done?"

I was hoping that would be the case. I mean, sure, getting the demons away is a basically sound idea... but that leaves a vacuum. If they don't close heaven as well, there will be still things meddling with humans (apart from the "monsters") - and I'm really not sure that angels are the better option. Actually, I think DEMONS are the better option, because as a smart Winchester once said: they have rules they need to stick to. Not many, and you have to read the fineprint VERY closely, but they HAVE them. I'm pretty sure angels don't.

So I'm thinking maybe they have to make a choice: which gate do the Winchesters close? What will be worse to keep on Earth?

And I'm curious about next weeks ep, which I know nothing about!
hells_half_acre
May. 6th, 2013 05:11 pm (UTC)
Sure, I know he's evil and nasty - we saw him with poor Archie. But he's NOT just that, he tries to get his will by using the most efficient means - and if that's NOT physical pain, it's sneakiness.

Alfie. And yes, same here!

I think Naomi really got more interesting this episode. Very sinister. Maybe because in all our ideas of angels, they're supposed to be BETTER than demons, and she so is not.

Yes! Exactly! This is why I loved Zachariah too (or rather loved to hate him). Naomi reminds me a lot of Zachariah, because she's also that villain who is SUPPOSED to be good, but may in fact be worse than the other villains who are at least HONEST about their evil intent.

And he's always been in love with humanity (which explains his affection for Dean - there's not many who are MORE human, with all their faults and all their failures and all their good hearts. Same counts for Sam as well, but he didn't rescue Sam from Hell, so...)

Well, technically he did rescue Sam from the cage, he just did a poor job of it - but he's spent more time with Dean over-all, and Sam and Cas started off on the wrong foot, what with them meeting during the year that Sam was addicted to demon-blood and being manipulated by Ruby. I think after S6-S7 though, Cas has way more sympathy and understanding for Sam than he did previously.

Poor Ion, I feel bad for him too. I would have liked it if Cas could have somehow saved him... they kill far too many angels on this show. :P

Also, I wonder if Naomi can get to Cas again now, since he doesn't have the tablet?

I wonder that too!

So I'm thinking maybe they have to make a choice: which gate do the Winchesters close? What will be worse to keep on Earth?

Interesting... but yeah, I agree about the possible power vacuum. And the fact that Hell might not actually be the bigger enemy - after all, they know how to deal with demons individually much easier than they know how to deal with angels.
marlowe78
May. 6th, 2013 05:23 pm (UTC)
Alfie. And yes, same here!

Aw man! You'd think I'd finally be able to remember his name???? It's not that difficult, right? Damn! I'm getting old and wonky-headed :-(


And the fact that Hell might not actually be the bigger enemy - after all, they know how to deal with demons individually much easier than they know how to deal with angels.

Good point. There's not much that can kill an angel, but there's a lot that can at least banish a demon.


As for Sam and Castiel: yes, of course he likes Sam and understands him in a way - maybe more than Dean ever will? He'd been power-hungry once, too, after all.... Still, there is a lot less of that "feel" between them than between Cas and Dean. That was what I was thinking of :-)
hells_half_acre
May. 6th, 2013 05:31 pm (UTC)
Still, there is a lot less of that "feel" between them than between Cas and Dean. That was what I was thinking of :-)

Indeed. Dean was there first, and, like you said, Dean is VERY human. :)
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