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As some of you know, I'm writing a Merlin/Supernatural crossover at the moment. It's going to be roughly 20-24k words... maybe longer. It takes place in the Merlin universe. 

Now, my question to you is: Should I change Merlin canon???

I only ask, because I started writing this fic before Merlin ended. And...well... I hated the end of Merlin. I thought it was bad writing (not so much the dialogue and the characters, but rather the plot of the final season.) So, on the one hand, I could change all that... or at least, leave it ambiguous enough that the reader could imagine that everything changed. On the other hand, I usually stick with canon in these crossovers and that's what orders them and keeps them believable and satisfying (in my opinion.) But if the canon isn't satisfying....then, maybe I should change it?

It'd mean rewriting a little of what I've done already, but not actually that much when it comes right down to it. The major changes would be to the bit that I haven't written yet anyway.

(I also still have to decide where in Supernatural's timeline Sam and Dean are going to be.)

Anyway, any thoughts would be appreciated.

PS: I know I've been writing a lot slower these days than I used to in the past... but in the past I was under- and unemployed, and these days I'm actually working full time. So, I'm finding it a bit more difficult to find time to write. I know I just have to make a better routine of it though, so I'm working on that. I haven't been working on the poor novel at all, even though I think I have a good strategy for fixing at least some of the problems. What I should really do is stop reading other peoples fanfiction. I spend far too much time doing that, I suppose. I'll shut-up now.


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Feb. 10th, 2013 07:19 am (UTC)
I'll be no help, I'm afraid, except to agree that Merlin's last season was less than fulfilling. I haven't seen the last two episodes, but despite tumblr's love of it, I just can't find it in myself to be interested. I used to really love the show, but really it's gone downhill a lot.

Would it be possible to make in ambiguous in a way that you could find satisfying from a canon purist way while also giving a little bit of leeway for people to see what they want? And while you're at it, maybe the sun, moon and stars for me? LOL.
Feb. 10th, 2013 07:34 am (UTC)
Hahaha, I think I'll get working on that sun, moon, and stars...sounds easier. ;)

But yeah, I suppose that would be the dream - would be to leave it so open ended that people who actually liked the direction of the last season would still be happy. I'm just not sure I can pull it off, and still have it also believable that perhaps everything changed and the last season was avoided. :P

Don't watch the last two episodes. To tell you the truth, I was FINE with the season until the last two episodes - and then I hated everything and everyone. So, if you already thought the season was going downhill, then just avoid the last two episodes like the plague. Pretend the series ended after S4. It'd be just as satisfying.
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Feb. 10th, 2013 07:35 am (UTC)
Oh man, that last season of Merlin was so deeply disappointing. I think personally I'd be interested in other versions of the story, because the one we got was so little to my taste. Changing up canon in a mashup like that does feel risky, but maybe it would be worth it?

I think the issue with Merlin is that it seemed all along like we were being promised an endgame which was never delivered. It was a bait-and-switch. Cherrypicking what one likes out of a canon always feels like cheating to me, but telling a version of the story which delivers on the initial offer seems different, somehow.
Feb. 10th, 2013 07:41 am (UTC)
That's what I'm thinking too. The Merlin writers forgot what story they were actually telling when they went in to write S5... so really, all I want to do is tell the story we should have gotten.

Now, as you say, whether I should do that in a crossover or not is another matter. Maybe what I really want to do is finish this crossover as it is and then write a Merlin fix-it S5... whether I'm up for that though is another issue altogether.
Feb. 10th, 2013 09:03 am (UTC)
Well considering that you already change Merlin canon by having the Winchesters show up, I don't see no problem in going further with that. Since their presence should have some effect on what the Merlin characters end up doing afterwards.
Feb. 10th, 2013 09:14 am (UTC)
Well, not exactly - you know how I write crossovers. I figured out a way to do it where Merlin canon doesn't actually have to change at all.

But, you have a point anyway, I could change things. After all, Merlin and Supernatural have two opposing messages - Supernatural believes in free will, whereas Merlin preaches only destiny.
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Feb. 10th, 2013 04:01 pm (UTC)
I'd be fine with you changing Merlin canon. It's your story, and whatever you need to change will only make it better I'm sure.
Feb. 10th, 2013 04:25 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the vote of confidence. :)
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Feb. 11th, 2013 04:06 am (UTC)
Crazyness! We're like Merlin opposites :P

I think the problem is that if I leave it as it is, then in my mind, I know that the Merlin and Arthur that I just wrote are going to end up in those last three episodes of S5... and that makes me sad.

So, yes, I think in order to make myself happy, I need to change it a little - or at least leave it open to interpretation so that it COULD change.

I think I'll probably just have to write the second half and see how ambiguous I can make it... and then decide if it needs to be more explicit to be good/satisfying for just me. Hopefully though, ambiguous will work and everyone can be happy.
Feb. 12th, 2013 02:16 pm (UTC)
Is it too late to leave an opinion about this?

I think that you should leave it ambiguous. Stick it somewhere in the timeline that you're comfortable with, and leave the readers with an ending that give them hope that Arthur don't have to die and Merlin don't have to push Mordred away, and everyone will leave happily ever after... I mean, obviously it doesn't happen like that in the show, but a reader can dream :)

But again, you have to decide for yourself. This is just my opinion.

I wouldn't think it's a good idea to timeline your story near the end of season 5 though. Taken as a whole, the show after Gwen was turned evil just made me want to scream at the screen and say, YOU'RE WASTING TIME WITH THIS ARC. JUST DO THE MAGIC REVEAL ALREADY. They pace season 5 as though they have 24 episodes to play with and not just 13!

*cough cough* Sorry. Going down the soapbox now.

What I should really do is stop reading other peoples fanfiction. I spend far too much time doing that, I suppose.

And I think I should stop reading fanfiction and start writing too! LOL I can't wait to see what you're going to do with your story!
Feb. 12th, 2013 07:49 pm (UTC)
It's not too late to have an opinion unless I post the thing... and even then you can have an opinion! ;)

Yes, I think you're right. I originally intended to set it in the 3 year gap between S4 and S5 of Merlin, and I think I'll still do that. If I wanted to make the canon diverting explicit, then I'd set it in the early days of S5, but if I want to make it ambiguous, I think I'm better off in that 3 year gap - where maybe S5 happens and maybe it doesn't. (In my mind it won't).

The latter half of S5 was pretty dumb. I don't know what they would have done if the producers had gotten the S6 that they wanted (my understanding is that it wasn't actually the BBC that decided to "cancel" the show, it was actually the actors (or at least Bradley) who refused to sign on for a S6 - and I don't blame him. There was no where else for the story to go besides a magic reveal, and they should have done it WELL before the goddamn final episode, ESPECIALLY if the final episode was going to be Camlann (which again, I don't think it should have been, because that wasn't the story they were supposed to be telling.)

Anyway, yes, off the soapbox. (I have a no complaining about Supernatural rule on this journal - but it seems Merlin is fair game :P )

Feb. 25th, 2013 04:47 pm (UTC)
Hey there
Since I hated the end, I'd be pretty ok if you veered a little off script ;-)

I never was that much into Merlin, just recently watched the last season because ...of reasons, and well, dammit, that was fine acting but where was the greatness of Camelot that was supposed to have come?

As you said: they forgot to tell that story. Might be because of the actor saying "naa, not any more", but uh... yeah.

So, as an interested but not invested watcher: any recommendations what episodes I should watch if I wanted to enjoy that show? And forget about Arthur dying, dammit!
Feb. 25th, 2013 04:58 pm (UTC)
This is the thing though, I'm sure they KNEW that it was going to be their final season before they started writing/filming it - because they set up that Arthur is going to die right at the beginning. So, they COULD have written an awesome season. Instead the writers just proved how "not good" they were by forgetting the story they were meant to tell.

Which is why I don't blame the actors for saying no to new seasons, because they seriously deserve better writing for their talents.

ANYWAY... episodes that are great to watch:

The first episode, 1x04, 1x07 gets referenced A LOT in fanfic, 1x10, 1x11, 1x13.

I'll tell you more in a few hours... I've gotta go catch a bus and donate my fasting blood to a scientific study (and then have breakfast.)
Feb. 25th, 2013 08:27 pm (UTC)
Okay, more Merlin episodes for you to check out...

2x02 is pretty good if you like Arthur/Gwen. 2x04, likewise, but there's some good Arthur/Merlin friendship stuff in it too. 2x05-2x06 are pretty funny. 2x08 is fantastic when it comes to Bradley's acting. A lot of people like 2x09, but personally, I found it somewhat uncomfortable. 2x12 is really good, and sets up the foundation for how Merlin completely blows it with Morgana... and then you're going to want to watch 2x13 too.

3x04 introduces Gwaine, who is awesome - and you'll want to know who he is, because he appears again in 3x08, which is the next episode I'd recommend.

If you're a Arthur/Gwen fan - 3x10. If you like the psychological impact of Merlin's secrets, then 3x11.

And then the two part finale 3x12-3x13.

You'll also want to watch the two part premiere 4x01 and 4x02. Another good Bradley episodes is 4x03. 4x06 is excellent. 4x07 is pretty good too. 4x08 has a great premise, and it's very popular when it comes to episode-tags in fanfic. 4x10 is an episode where there is ACTUAL CHARACTER GROWTH! (Very rare on Merlin, which is part of the reason the writing was subpar.)

Finally, there's the finale of 4x12-4x13 (Technically, you'll have wanted to see 4x09 and 4x11 to understand the set up, but I think you'd probably be able to get the gist of it.)

Now, S5, I had a LOT Of problems with... that being said, there are a couple of good episodes. I liked 5x04 (which was the only time I've ever shipped Merlin with a woman.) And 5x09 is really well acted by Colin Morgan. Other than those two episodes, the season kind of sucks... mainly just because it's tainted by the horrible ending. (In my opinion, anyway.)

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