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Quick Reaction: 8x04 Bitten

Okay, so usually, I watch the episode at my friends place, and we have dinner and dessert and chat, and then I come home and I write my Quick Reaction before I read what anyone else thinks.

Today, I watched the episode with my friend as usual, but then I came home for dinner - which meant that while I ate, I skimmed through twitter and tumblr to see people's reactions.

It appears that this is an episode for which I may have to remind you of my LJ commenting rule: 

I like to like things. Please keep in mind that excess negativity will not be received fondly by me. It's okay to not like something, but please keep it simple when you tell me so, "I didn't like it" will suffice. I won't argue with you, because that's your opinion. Likewise, I would kindly ask you not to argue with me if I say "I liked it." Also, not that any of you do this, but please don't be overly negative about the individual actors. That always really annoys me.

So, now that that's taken care of... let's talk about the episode! Because I liked it.



Jared and Jensen talked about this episode a little bit at VanCon - just about the style it was filmed in, and how they really were looking forward to seeing the finished product. Jared really thought it was well done, and I have to say that I agree.

It's going to be interesting to talk about though, because usually these quick reactions are all about The Epic Love Story of Sam and Dean and what we learn about their characters or their relationship or what hints we get at the bigger picture... but this episode is such a departure in formula that it really doesn't have any of that...or at least, very little. 

What it does do is give us an outsider POV on Sam and Dean and what it's like for the monsters they hunt...especially the ones that don't know they're a monster. It's basically a Supernatural episode told from the point of view of a monster. 

I'd say the biggest weakness of the episode was the fact that it was slightly unbelievable how MUCH these students filmed their everyday lives. Once Michael was bitten and Brian wanted to capture his "origin story" the hidden cameras made sense - but until that point, some of the recordings were a little odd and forced. Such as the boys with the hockey sticks foolishly trying to protect people in the park at night, yet for some reason using up their cellphone batteries by taking videos... or the fact that Brian films himself editing his film just so that we can get his sad face when Kate comes out of Michael's room wearing his t-shirt. (Also, I mean, if you have self-confidence issues and want to be super suave and powerful why would you editing in footage of you lusting pathetically after your bestfriend's girl?)

I know there will be some people out there that just don't like the episode because Sam and Dean weren't in every frame of it like usual - and that's a shame, because I think it was a really well written episode and the actors who carried it all did really good jobs. I do understand that some people probably will have difficulty suddenly caring what happens to characters they've never met before, but I think you can still enjoy the episode even if you don't care about the characters. For me, I liked it because of the mystery about how everyone ends up slaughtered. I was waiting to see how they all fell apart.

Hmm, maybe I like this episode because my favourite movie is Shallow Grave. ....seriously, if you haven't seen that movie, YOU SHOULD.

Anyhoo...

At different times I thought different things...like, when the two boys started filming each other, I thought it was quite homoerotic - hahahaha... I read too much fanfiction. And at different times in the episode, I wondered if Brian might actually be in love with Michael and not Kate... but no, it seems that in the Michael-Brian friendship, it was actually Michael who loved Brian more than Brian loved Michael. Poor Michael. I feel really bad for him. It's not his fault he's the biggest and the strongest, he doesn't even exercise! (Princess Bride quotes FTW! y/y?)

I knew the ring on the professor would be important as soon as Brian accidentally zoomed in on it...but then I promptly forgot about it until it was brought up again, because that's what happens when I watch TV shows.

And holy crap, there was a full 20 minutes before the first commercial break!

I liked the jokes about Sam and Dean having an "office romance" vibe. Hehehe. I know, easy jokes are easy, but I like them all the same.

I also love how they start following Sam and Dean to get more information about what might be going on...and we get a bit more Supernatural-Universe werewolf rules! The first 4 generations below the alpha can control their transformations! Wicked cool.

Also, I love the clever ways they used camera angles to get around ever showing what a fully transformed werewolf looks like. You see the teeth and the eyes and the claws, but you never see the full thing. 

Speaking of the cafe scene - THAT CAFE IS LIKE 4 BLOCKS FROM MY HOUSE! They actually polished it up a bit (or maybe that's why they shot it in black and white)...so you couldn't really see how...um "rustic" it is on the inside. Hahaha. It's a good place, but it's a bar at night that serves their beer and wine in mason jars, while you listen to hippie bands play for a $5 cover. Anyway, some people might remember it from 7x07 (The Mentalists) when it's exterior was used for the outside of the cafe that Sam and Dean ate in in that episode.

I don't know when the heck they were filming there, but it actually might have been when I was still out of town in the summer...though, the Supernatural crew are ninjas in the night, so who knows, they might have been filming when I was in town and I just never knew.

I also think that it should have been made more clear that the first bit of the video was perhaps shot over MONTHS. Because then Kate's HUGE devotion to Michael would have been a bit more believable. As it was, it seemed that her being that in love with him that she would ditch everything to run away with a werewolf who might not even be in full control...well, it seemed a little crazy to me, before I realized that maybe the whole "falling in love" sequence took place over months instead of weeks. Actually, maybe it would have been better if instead of showing them meeting, they could have just started with Kate and Michael already an item and Brian lusting after her anyway...and just skipped the whole "she could have been mine" scenario (which is actually a scenario that I don't think is true, because Kate obviously went after Michael and was never interested in Brian...Brian never had a shot at all.)

Anyway, once Brian confronted the professor and got him to bite him and such - and then they started getting into a fight, I thought that Michael would kill Brian and then kill himself...but no, Brian kills Michael and then turns Kate. Crazyness.

I did think the end of her little video was cheesy though :P Also, she probably isn't even a day and a half ahead of them, because how long did it take her to finish editing and render that video?! Maybe she never rendered it. Maybe they played it in the editing program :P

I really really liked the very end, with Kate killing Brian and leaving the note...and then you see her walking off into the sunset as Sam and Dean decide not to go after her. That was really cool. I also thought it was really neat that they put the opening credits at the end of the show.

Also, hey! Free laptop for Sammy!

Okay, let's talk about the boys...

Mainly, I want to talk about how Dean let the monster go.... this is definitely a post-purgatory change for Dean. And, I think, definitely to do with Benny. She hasn't killed anyone, so she lives...even though that didn't work forever with Lenore, and Dean made a huge stick about Amy (though, she HAD killed people and it probably would happen again). So, yeah... Dean letting the monster go is a character change...for the better or for the worse is what's yet to be determined. Sam seemed pleased with the decision though, which means that we still have our "think the best of people" Sam with us. :)

Also, it's hilarious how after seeing video footage of people thinking that him and Sam have an office romance going on - the only thing Dean is concerned about is the idea that he might overuse the word "awesome." Hahaha...speaking as someone who overuses the word "awesome", there is nothing wrong with that Dean!

Anyway, like I said, I thought the episode was a really interesting concept and I think they pulled it off pretty well! I also happen to like werewolves though, so maybe I'm biased. 



And that's that...next week, HALLOWEEN! I don't think the episode is halloween themed though.

Comments

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borgmama1of5
Oct. 25th, 2012 04:40 am (UTC)
Glad you found it enjoyable :)

hells_half_acre
Oct. 25th, 2012 04:43 am (UTC)
Me too ;)
mekina
Oct. 25th, 2012 05:10 am (UTC)
I haven't seen any negativity, but then, I haven't been reading reactions really (apart from scrolling through the Wincest tag on Tumblr, which is one big freakout over OFFICE ROMANCE :DDDD ) but I really, really enjoyed this ep. True, there wasn't much SamnDean, but I loveloveLOVE outside POV on them, and this was great. :)

I felt bad for the professor, who reminded me of Lenore, and I started off feeling sorry for Brian but he turned out to be a massive dick, so... :) I did like Kate, and I was pleasantly surprised that the female lived AND Sam and Dean decided to give her a chance.

Must say though, I'm not looking forward to next week's ep at all.
hells_half_acre
Oct. 25th, 2012 05:17 am (UTC)
I've only seen a bit of negativity, but it seems to be one of those episodes where those who hate it hate it a lot! :P

I felt bad for the professor too. I forgot to talk about how he actually THANKED them when they killed him. It's very sad.

And - haha - yes! The female lived for once! Like you, I felt bad for Brian until he started being a huge dick...as soon as he forced the professor to turn him, I knew that he would not be using his powers for good. I'm glad Kate killed him, and that the Winchesters let her go.

I'm hoping I'm able to enjoy the next episode. I really don't like vampires...so, yeah. We'll see, I guess. The episode IS written by Ben Edlund though and I usually really like his episodes, so I'm trying to hope for the best.
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phyllis2779
Oct. 25th, 2012 06:33 am (UTC)
I enjoyed this episode for a couple of reasons. I liked the outsider POV, liked the 'play' on the horror movie trope of people shooting video of their own horror movie, liked the twists and turns (e.g., Kate killing Brian), and I liked the thought that perhaps Jared and Jensen had a few days (or at least hours) off since they weren't in every scene as they usually are. They must be the hardest working actors in the TV series business so I was happy they had a little bit of down time.
hells_half_acre
Oct. 25th, 2012 06:40 am (UTC)
I really liked it for those reasons too! :)

I bet it was really nice for Jared and Jensen to have reduced roles for a week. I really do think that they ARE the hardest working actors in the TV business. The fact that they've stuck with the show for so long despite that always amazes me.
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msninacat
Oct. 25th, 2012 07:30 am (UTC)
So glad you stopped and looked at the bigger pic with this ep. I've seen quite a bit of negativity about it without anyone stopping to think about how much more impactful the scene at the end of ep with the boys was because of the slow paced outside POV. I do wish they had cut a little more standard shots in to break up the amount of hand held but I don't hate it. I think you just have to step back on this one and think of how much this has returned us to the original formula and how it progresses things in the grand scheme of it all. Thanks for the wank free zone!
hells_half_acre
Oct. 25th, 2012 07:39 am (UTC)
Anytime! I always try to keep this place wank free, sometimes I fail, but I try!

I think it's a really intriguing episode. It did take me a bit to warm up to it, to get used to the handhelds and the new characters, but by the end I was really liking it. And I like how it gives us a different perspective. I think this season is really about playing with point-of-view a lot...because we don't know what's going on with Sam and Dean, we don't know what happened to Cas etc...because our points of views are perhaps unreliable BECAUSE they're Sam and Dean...anyway...um, yeah, I liked it!
fannishliss
Oct. 25th, 2012 09:21 am (UTC)
I liked it a lot. My family always tries to watch Supernatural all together, and my husband and son also liked it.

BTW I LOVE SHALLOW GRAVE. idk if you read my LJ while I was on the massive Chris Eccleston rewatch? It's a really great comparison you make there, because yes in SG you see how the group dynamics and the friendships are destroyed by the secret and the money and by the baser impulses. In Bitten I think that in reality the relationship between Kate and Michael is not all that deep, and whether they would have made it is not a matter of great import -- but at the same time it does legitimately drive Brian round the twist because he's so obsessive about them. I actually thought the constant filming really worked because of his obsessive character -- he's the one casting himself as Piggy and making sure the frame catches his hangdog expressions -- he wants them to see HOW MISERABLE HE IS, allcaps screamers!!!! For him, life is a narrative and it should be about him!!!

I'm really happy that Dean has an opportunity to let someone go, but if I were Sam I would have been seething, after last year's huge blowup about Jewel/Amy Pond. For me, that whole ep was deep grudge territory, and now Dean is reversing himself, and Sam is being so good about it. I really think Old Sam would have blown a gasket. There wasn't even one "seriously Dean, seriously?" I mean, sure, Dean is on Sam's page here with letting the monster live... but it is such a reversal.

Other people have mentioned this, but it is true that Sam is completely willing to go along with Dean whatever the plan. It's a little weird isn't it?

I do not trust Benny at all, not one little bit. If he turns out to be good I'll be fully shocked. Show has gotten to me! Now I'm all "HE'S A MONSTER AND IT'S IN HIS NATURE!!" but no, it's really that Show is using every trick to make him seem hellish and untrustworthy. So I can't decide if they'll be like PSYCHE he was bad all along! or PSYCHE! He was good, Dean was right to trust him! True the Sam girls will be livid if Dean isn't betrayed; it does feel like the narrative is gasping for Dean to have made the wrong call in Purgatory. Poor Dean.

We don't get to see Dean completely strung out on adrenaline in this ep. In fact he was a bit chill there towards the end. Nor did Sammy use his new mental superpowers that I noticed. Still 3 out of 4 eps is a pretty clear pattern so far.

My favorite thing about the handhelds is how it reveals that Jared is really really REALLY a lot bigger than anyone else. Except in the scene where they question Brian while standing on the porch, where Jared is obvs. hunkering so he can be in frame. I think Jared or his agent has finally accepted his ginormity and they are just running with it. Soon they'll admit that he is actually 6' 5" after all. :)



hells_half_acre
Oct. 25th, 2012 06:58 pm (UTC)
BTW I LOVE SHALLOW GRAVE. idk if you read my LJ while I was on the massive Chris Eccleston rewatch?

Okay, I just friended you, because not doing so until now has obviously been a gross oversight on my part. :P

I actually thought the constant filming really worked because of his obsessive character -- he's the one casting himself as Piggy and making sure the frame catches his hangdog expressions -- he wants them to see HOW MISERABLE HE IS, allcaps screamers!!!! For him, life is a narrative and it should be about him!!!

Oh man, EXCELLENT POINT. I didn't even put that together, but you are completely correct. He's writing his own narrative and casting himself in the role that he wants...but that's not necessarily the role that he is.

I really think Old Sam would have blown a gasket. There wasn't even one "seriously Dean, seriously?" I mean, sure, Dean is on Sam's page here with letting the monster live... but it is such a reversal.

I don't think Sam wants to question him on the reversal, because Sam WANTS Dean to be this type of person - the type of person who won't just kill people because of who they are, but will wait and see what they DO. But hey, I could be wrong, after all, when Sam forgave Dean about Amy, he did agree that she had to die - and that he was really only mad that Dean lied to him.

Other people have mentioned this, but it is true that Sam is completely willing to go along with Dean whatever the plan. It's a little weird isn't it?

I do think Sam is being very oddly passive this season - for a character who had a whole storyline based around how hot-headed he could be...well, it's sort of odd.

So I can't decide if they'll be like PSYCHE he was bad all along! or PSYCHE! He was good, Dean was right to trust him! True the Sam girls will be livid if Dean isn't betrayed; it does feel like the narrative is gasping for Dean to have made the wrong call in Purgatory. Poor Dean.

Oh man, I really hope that Benny doesn't turn out to be a good person. Mainly because as much as I like Ty Olsson, I don't want Benny to be a recurring character for longer than this season. Also, yeah, it would be completely unfair to Sam to have Dean's monster-relationship work out while Sam's doesn't...AGAIN. I mean, technically, Dean already scored with his friendship with Castiel (up until the end of S6 anyway).

I know some people separate angels from monsters/demons and so they don't see the Dean-Castiel friendship as Dean being friends with a monster - but, technically, in the Supernatural Universe ANY humanoid that isn't human is monster...and that INCLUDES Cas. And we say in S4 that angels aren't necessarily good.

My favorite thing about the handhelds is how it reveals that Jared is really really REALLY a lot bigger than anyone else. Except in the scene where they question Brian while standing on the porch, where Jared is obvs. hunkering so he can be in frame. I think Jared or his agent has finally accepted his ginormity and they are just running with it. Soon they'll admit that he is actually 6' 5" after all. :)

Haha, indeed. They didn't have anyone standing on apple boxes. :P

jedinic
Oct. 25th, 2012 09:33 am (UTC)
I really, really enjoyed this episode. It wasn't SPN but maybe that's why I loved it - like watching a cool new show with cameos from people I loved?
blueteainfusion
Oct. 25th, 2012 04:27 pm (UTC)
That's exactly what I loved about it - like a one-episode spin-off with familiar faces as cameos! And I like found footage in general, so it was definitely win for me. I could live with a little more Sam'n'Dean there, but overall it satisfied me.
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etoile444
Oct. 25th, 2012 09:49 am (UTC)
I did like this and I got something bigger from the story. I agree, seeing someone find out they are a monster and have hunters on their butts is a little different. I like the changed POV.
hells_half_acre
Oct. 25th, 2012 06:38 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I think it was a cool way to give us something different for a MOTW episode, rather than the usual formula. :)
ellecc
Oct. 25th, 2012 11:09 am (UTC)
I do like outsider POV--it's always so interesting to see how other people see into whatever world it is. The office romance jokes were win. As was the Brokeback one (I totally thought Brian might actually be in love with Michael, too). I missed the Princess Bride one, though! The actors were good--definitely pulled off those parts. They always cast their guest actors so well.

I'm glad there did turn out to be a point, and I thought it was a pretty big one--basically a 180-degree mental shift for Dean. It wasn't that long ago that he killed Amy on principle. Yes, she had killed humans, and yeah, Dean's shift had started back with Lenore, and he never even considered killing Sammy, but still. That was a big deal for him. He really didn't hesitate to just listen to Sam and get out of there after they were done with the movie. At least this way he won't be a hypocrite when he won't let Sam kill Benny, which I assume was the whole point.

I do wish there'd been a little more of the boys, but I guess they could only have so much and be realistic. We get them only once a week--4 1/2 minutes (or whatever it ended up being) of screen time is a bit of a letdown. But it was a fairly high-quality letdown! And I got all the way to the first commercial (19 minutes! Crazy!) before I started to get worried about what was going on. Not my favorite episode but they can't all be :)

Thanks for such an even-keeled post :)
hells_half_acre
Oct. 25th, 2012 06:37 pm (UTC)
I missed the Princess Bride one, though!

That was me in my review! Not on the show. Sorry... "It's not my fault I'm the biggest and the strongest. I don't even exercise" is one of Fezzik's lines.

He really didn't hesitate to just listen to Sam and get out of there after they were done with the movie. At least this way he won't be a hypocrite when he won't let Sam kill Benny, which I assume was the whole point.

Exactly. I'm sure that's going to be his argument to Sam too about Benny - how Benny isn't killing anyone etc. etc... and I'm predicting that people will get mad at Dean for being a hypocrite anyway, because he did kill Amy last year...though, Amy, I think, was a casualty of Dean trying to emotionally deal with Cas' betrayal and it really wasn't about her.

Thanks for such an even-keeled post :)

Thanks for the even-keeled comment :)

percysowner
Oct. 25th, 2012 07:46 pm (UTC)
I went into this expecting it to not be a regular Supernatural episode and I decided to grade it as if it were part of an anthology show and this was just one episode. I had a few problems with it, the "Brian is going to go bad" anvil is my main quibble.

My other minor complaint is because this is Supernatural. I am chomping at the bit to find out more about Sam in particular, but also Dean, Purgatory, Benny and Cas. I probably would have liked this more if it had been in the second half of the season.
hells_half_acre
Oct. 25th, 2012 07:54 pm (UTC)
My other minor complaint is because this is Supernatural. I am chomping at the bit to find out more about Sam in particular, but also Dean, Purgatory, Benny and Cas. I probably would have liked this more if it had been in the second half of the season.

I think this is a problem no matter where they stick this kind of episode - because in the latter half of the season, we are always chomping at the bit to find out more information on however their going to solve the main mytharc of the season.

That being said, I agree that this sort of episode usually fits in well around the 11-13 episode mark, especially in a season where there is a lot of mystery around our main characters.
ashkiryn
Oct. 25th, 2012 08:15 pm (UTC)
I actually really really liked this episode as well, and it's honestly tied as my favorite so far of this season (the other is "Tiger Mommy", because I love Kevin's mom so freaking much). And I'm probably biased, because I LOVELOVELOVELOVE Outsider POV SO SO SO MUCH, so having this episode be from what was essentially the monsters' viewpoint was a win. I loved them following Dean and Sam around and trying to figure out what was going on.

I also think that the three actors did an excellent job. Poor Michael...he really was a sweetie, I was adoring him. Anyway, I'm also satisfied with the ending...and with basically everything about this episode. Although I do agree that some of the shots that they are 'filming' in the beginning are a bit ridiculous. But still---VERY nicely done. Annnd Michael and Kate are going onto my list of favorite Outsider POV. :)
hells_half_acre
Oct. 26th, 2012 12:29 am (UTC)
I'm not sure where this ranks in my favourite episode list - I almost feel like it belongs in it's own catagory, just because it was so different.

I also felt horrible for Michael. He was the most tragic figure in the whole thing, I think.
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khek
Oct. 26th, 2012 12:07 am (UTC)
I thought the storyline was interesting, and your comments are pretty much what I thought. I thought that it was going to turn out that Kate was the original wolf, so the professor was a surprise.

My problem was the filming. It may be just me (I get violently ill on merry-go-rounds) but half the time I couldn't watch the screen because it was making me dizzy. I also couldn't watch Blair Witch Project or any of those fake footage films though.

hells_half_acre
Oct. 26th, 2012 12:28 am (UTC)
Yeah, the motion-sickness is a problem for that whole genre. Unfortunately, some people are more susceptible to it than others. I actually think they did a pretty good job keeping the cameras mostly steady - usually those films are way worse.

When Sam gave Brian his card, I was sure that he and Dean had figured out that Brian knew something...so, I was surprised when it appeared that they really hadn't. So, surprises all 'round!
marlowe78
Oct. 26th, 2012 11:46 am (UTC)
So, I'll keep it short:

I think this episode was awesome :-)

And to your frown about the "falling in love was rushed" - Brian DID make a movie, so he had a lot of material. So he chose what's important to the story - and he did that when Michael was already turned.
So I think it makes sense that he'd edit out the stuff about Kate's and Michael's epic love, because it's not important to the "origin of a monster"-movie he's making.

Also, I felt really bad for Brian - up until he wolfed out.

So, yes. Liked it. And I personally wanna hug you for your policy ;-)
hells_half_acre
Oct. 26th, 2012 08:43 pm (UTC)
So I think it makes sense that he'd edit out the stuff about Kate's and Michael's epic love, because it's not important to the "origin of a monster"-movie he's making.

Yeah, I realized this after the fact. I just wish they could have put in more indicators of time passing in the footage. But hey, you can't have everything, and they had to set up the premise as quickly as possible.

I'm glad you liked it!! And thanks for liking my commenting policy too ;)
metallidean_grl
Oct. 26th, 2012 02:50 pm (UTC)
Brian was so obviously in love with Kate, and probably jealous of Michael for having landed her. I just wonder if part of Brian's reason for wanting to be turned was that he was hoping to kill Michael so he would be left with Kate. Because as a werewolf they would be on equal ground and he could do that. Which is what happened, but Kate ended up killing him, which he didn't expect. I also enjoyed the episode and love it that the show takes risks like this, especially knowing that they may face some fan backlash, which they have. But that's TV. Fans will always be in a uproar over one thing or another, no matter what they do.
hells_half_acre
Oct. 26th, 2012 08:39 pm (UTC)
I agree. I think there was always the ulterior motive to get Kate in the decisions Brian made. He had such little remorse when he killed his supposed best friend.

I love the fact that Supernatural takes these sorts of risks. I think it's also a testament to how strong their core fan base is - because they can do these things and even face backlash, but they know that enough of us will still be tuning in next week. :)
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