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Quick Reaction: 7x10 Death's Door


Ok, it's later than usual, and I'm drunker than usual...obviously I lost track of both time and alcohol  consumption tonight.

So, I believe that means it's the perfect time for me to try to remember this episode...


Oh GOD, BOBBY! This episode was brilliant. I loved it from start to finish. I didn't even talk during commercials because I was so engaged and hanging on every word.

Let's attempt to begin at the beginning....

Dean asking Sam if Bobby is dead...Sam saying "I'm not stupid, I know how to treat a gunshot wound to the head!"...brilliant. I love that our boys were probably raised knowing how to treat a gunshot wound to the head...I love EVERYTHING. Oh god...I am a little beyond tipsy. Forgive me, I had a rough week and seem to have compensated by drinking....

And then we enter Bobby's mind...and I love that Bobby knows right away that he's in his own mind. He doesn't need any other part of his psyche to tell him, as Sam did. He just knows. And he knows that the boys he is seeing aren't the boys that he needs to communicate with...and damn, but I love Bobby. I can't help it. I love him because he loves Sam and Dean, and he's smart and brilliant, and Bobby.

And RUFUS! I was not expecting Rufus. He was a nice surprise. Ok, I'm jumping all over the place, but I think that's fair given the episode. We get the boys and then we get Rufus...or do we get Karen first? Maybe Karen comes before Rufus. But we get Bobby bringing a glass of red wine to Karen in bed, and she is beautiful and loves Bobby...

And we get the boy in the ballcap, which I assumed right away - based on the ballcap alone - was Bobby. "God is going to punish you." No, Bobby, I'm pretty sure God is going to reward you....and that's coming from an atheist.

Which, along with the spilled milk, is an early sign as to what memory is his way out - even before we know that there is a way out.

I love that we got to see Rufus and Bobby on a hunt in the old days...I like that Bobby treated Rufus as Rufus rather than a memory... I love the fact that Sam and Dean argue about Jet Li vs. Chuck Norris and Peanut Butter and Banana vs. Licorice. (Personally, I'm with Dean on that last one...though, for the record, Peanut Butter and Banana Sandwiches were Elvis's favourite) (I grew up near an Elvis-themed restaurant...don't ask.) Also, the Chuck Norris vs. Jet Li conversation should have been solved by watching Meng Long Guo Jiang. DRUNKER THAN I THOUGHT LAST NIGHT: I got Jet Li confused with Bruce Lee. Dumbass.

And Rufus, apparently, when conked in the head by a ghost, discovered the way out of a coma - through your worst memory. And Bobby tries. We get some great character information when we discover that Bobby didn't want kids (or was afraid of having kids) and didn't tell Karen BEFORE they got married (NOTE: ALWAYS HAVE THE KID CONVERSATION BEFORE MARRIAGE). And that Karen and he had the fight only 3 days before she was possessed...that Bobby didn't regret killing her, but regret the fact that they hadn't fully recovered from the fight...that her heart was still broken when she passed. SAD TIMES FOREVER.

But still, that's not the worst...as the boy in the ball-cap keeps pointing too...and that the Leviathan way back in 7x03 pointed to, when he mentioned Bobby's daddy-issues. 

We also get to see Bobby sneak Dean out to throw a ball rather than fire a rifle or whatever...and yeah, the kid they got doesn't look much like Jensen or Ridge Canipe, but seriously, who the hell looks like Jensen? (and Ridge Canipe is too old now). And it's a nice memory...and they gave me a year!! 1989. Oh god, I love when they give me years. 

Meanwhile, in the real world...Dean and Sam are in the hospital. You know what I love about these parts (excluding the Dick scene, which I like for different reasons and will get to)?? I love the fact that it's not ANYTHING to do with the Supernatural. We get to see Sam and Dean reacting to a situation that could happen to ANYONE. Their loved one is seriously injured, and somebody is trying to talk to them about organ donation....and man, Dean kills me in that scene...KILLS ME. When he punches the glass-covered info-board and then just says "walk away!"...man...

And then, we get the Dick scene...which is so good...because there IS a downside to impersonating a famous person and having your #1 rule be "There is no such thing as monsters" because it means you CAN'T kill your enemy in broad daylight with 5 camera-phones on you.

"You're either laughing because you're scared, or you're laughing because you're stupid" - AWESOME LINE.

Meanwhile, Sam is TRYING to face reality...he's trying to prepare himself...and Dean won't have it, because for Dean (as I'm sure it is for many of us, it feels as though if he gives up hope, than Bobby won't make it....even though at this point, Dean hopes has nothing to do with Bobby's fight.) And I love how subtle Jared always is with Sam...how he's devastated in an understated way...how the simple fact of looking at a fixed point and rubbing his palm can mean SO MUCH. Sam is hanging by a thread and that thread is about to snap...and Dean isn't prepared for it, and Sam is terrified of it and is not going to be the one to mention it to Dean.....but the fact remains that NO GOOD WILL COME OF THIS.

And we get Bobby trapping a Reaper WHILE UNCONSCIOUS! If that doesn't make Bobby the BAMFiest BAMF that ever BAMFed, I don't know what does...

But the signs are all there...things going blank..the bullet and wound slowly eating away at everything Bobby is and was....

And still, Bobby confronts his very worst memory - the night he killed his own father, to save his mother....but he didn't really save her, not really..."and this is the night we learn that we don't always save the people we save"...and Bobby is the first genetic gun-shot-wound-to-the-head. But that doesn't matter, because Bobby did it all because unlike his father said, he doesn't break anything he touches - he "adopted two boys and they grew up to be heroes!" and OH MY GOD, IF I HAD A SOUL I WOULD BE CRYING.

Unfortunately, my heart is nothing more than an engine formed from remnants of a dead star.

And this is the first time that Bobby has taken full ownership of Sam and Dean - the fact that he fully adopted them when they were adults is inconsequential. They are his boys as much as they are John's....and in good old Supernatural fashion, it's out of his love for them that he returns long enough to write a message on Sam's palm.

And seriously, what is with Sam's palms being so goddamn important this year?

It's a sequence of numbers - that HOPEFULLY Sam and Dean know how to decipher. 

And then Bobby is once again lost to us...as long as he had that information, I knew he would survive, but now that he doesn't?

We get Bobby in the last surviving memory...the Chuck Norris marathon night with Sam and Dean arguing about snacks and using the word "scoot" and being BROTHERS....and then...and then Bobby is given the choice to leave or stay...but the Reaper insists that he's dying either way....


SUCH A GOOD EPISODE. Oh man. Like I said, if I had a heart, it would be broken and dolphins could swim in my tears.

It was filled with Bobby being a BAMF and Sam and Dean being real people...and SO MUCH GODDAMN LOVE.

Is it January yet?


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Dec. 3rd, 2011 09:11 am (UTC)
I don't care if I'm not watching the show anymore: if Bobby dies for real, and doesn't get better, I will be so so bummed.

I'll just be sitting over here, in my little corner, trying to mentally will Kripke into making a spin off staring Rufus and Bobby. With Ellen recurring.
Dec. 3rd, 2011 09:19 am (UTC)
I don't think Bobby will die forever - my prediction: prolonged coma/recovery that will take him out of the action for the rest of the season, but won't kill him. You can't kill EVERYONE, you just can't. And Bobby is far too beloved.

That being said, I agree - a spin off with Bobby, Rufus, and Ellen, would be AWESOME. It's not going to happen of course, but I would fully support it if it did.

(and I totally agree about still being bummed even if you aren't watching the show. I refused to watch Torchwood after S2...still bummed about what happened while I wasn't watching it, which, of course, gave me all the more reason not to watch it.)
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Dec. 3rd, 2011 11:11 am (UTC)
IT WAS MAGNIFICENT. Every aspect from the writing thru the directing, cinematography and acting was just on the money.

And there's a whole meta I need to write, about how the comparison between John's death and Bobby's which i am still sorting out. Because in a way even though the boys will be devastated and miss Bobby terribly - well he gave them so much and they knew without doubt that he loved them. Whereas it took them years after John's death to get any peace with him.

Oh and btw the kid who played Dean this week also played him in the flashback in Swan Song!
Dec. 3rd, 2011 10:37 pm (UTC)
IT WAS MAGNIFICENT. Every aspect from the writing thru the directing, cinematography and acting was just on the money.


Ooo, I hope you write that meta...because it's true, especially for Sam. Sam had to go back in time and make peace with a version of John that didn't even know who Sam was....whereas, as much as I think Bobby's death is going to be hard on Sam, it's not because Sam didn't know that Bobby loved him or that there were any unresolved issues between Bobby and Sam...it'll be heard because grief is hard and Sam has trouble with his sanity (and grief isn't going to help that.)

Crazy! I didn't know that about the kid. In Swan Song, you only saw brief glimpses, and I was mostly distracted by the adorableness that was little Sammy.
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Dec. 3rd, 2011 12:42 pm (UTC)
It was excellent!!! Watching supernatural I had laught out loud, been scared to death, but it's the first time that it made me cry like that, fat tears, sobbings and invasion of kleenex.
And I'm not sure now that some scenes were intentionally a bit fuzzy on the edge (the part when they trap the reaper) or it was just really my tears.
Dec. 3rd, 2011 10:32 pm (UTC)
Yeah, it was heart-wrenching for sure. According to Jared on twitter, both him and Jensen were also crying while watching the episode last night!

And it wasn't just your tears that made things fuzzy on the edges. That was a particular style choice made by the director and director of photography inside Bobby's head towards the end.

Really beautiful episode. It deserves awards.
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Dec. 3rd, 2011 01:07 pm (UTC)
I think this was it. This was the last we've seen of Bobby, and I do have a soul so I was crying pretty hard. I don't even want to know what will happen to Sam and Dean without his support. Dean's issues and alcoholism will get worse and Sam won't be able to deal with that on top of his own grief on top of his own issues, and there will be a giant Bobby-shaped hole in everything. And if Bobby's gone, then I can't help feeling like the show is slowly preparing to turn off the light. So, not good.
But on the other hand I'm almost (the emphasis being on almost) okay with it simply based on the fact that Bobby got to move on in more than one way - and when it comes to send-offs, you can't get a much better one than this.
Dec. 3rd, 2011 10:39 pm (UTC)
I'm still in denial about this being the absolute end of Bobby. I think it might be the end for this season - but, unless the network decides to cancel, I'm pretty sure the cast and crew are all hoping for a season 8...and as you imply, it's hard to have a show without any continuing supporting cast.

But, if this IS the complete end of Bobby - it was beautiful and touching, and a fitting send-off for such an important character.
Dec. 3rd, 2011 02:05 pm (UTC)
It was a well-crafted episode. I was totally excited to see Rufus and getting information even from imaginary Rufus was interesting. Actually, I really liked the reaper. He is determined and implacable (and has a pocket watch). But the real star was Bobby. Going through all his awful memories just to give his boys the information they need--wonderfully done. I will be very sad if Bobby dies both to lose him on Supernatural and for Sam and Dean. Regardless, the Winchesters will now have to rely solely on themselves, no calls to Bobby to add to the inaccessibility of Castiel. I am curious how that will all pan out. At least we don't have to wait a month and a half for a new episode.
Dec. 3rd, 2011 10:41 pm (UTC)
I agree completely! I'm also interested to see how things pan out with the Winchesters being so completely on their own.

It'll be a long month wait, but yes, at least a shorter wait than last year. :)
Dec. 3rd, 2011 02:23 pm (UTC)
seeing as I it seems have entirely too much soul I was crying my heart out from the mid-point and outright sobbing(without a tissue, because I couldn't pause to get up, now could I) at the end. Like having to turn the volume up just so I could hear show over my noises sobbing ;____;

but also I agree with you this was an awesome episode and jim totally killed it and I loved all the boys!memory (god it's been too long since we've seen them so happy and comfortable) and rufus and everything....and I don't see how bobby can survive, but I'm still holding out hope (also I need a sad icon..)
Dec. 3rd, 2011 10:42 pm (UTC)
Awww, *hugs* for you.

I agree with everything. And I'm also still holding out hope....I don't think we'll see much of Bobby for the rest of this season, but I just can't bring myself to think that he is gone forever.
Dec. 3rd, 2011 05:45 pm (UTC)
The part of this that hit me the hardest was Sam and Dean being just brothers in Bobby's memory. The boys back in the early years, before Dean went to Hell...it really hurts that there really isn't a way for those boys to ever exist again.

Grieving for light-hearted boys even more than Bobby. He got a perfect send-off.
Dec. 3rd, 2011 10:44 pm (UTC)
It's true. I'm not sure when that memory took place - but it's touching that it was Bobby's favourite..and makes sense, character-wise, since Bobby always did want the boys to just be boys when they were young.
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Dec. 3rd, 2011 10:51 pm (UTC)
And what point in the storyline would killing Bobby serve? To make the boys stronger?

No, it's to make them weaker. The mid-season finale is always the point where the boys are the lowest (nearly always anyway). You have to bring them to the pit in order to watch them claw their way out again...

...and that's why I don't think Bobby is gone forever either...because of all the points you make above. They need to take Dean and Sam to the lowest point imaginable, but they also have to give them a reason to claw their way back to the surface - and at this point, we already know that Dean was losing his reasons to fight, and that was WITH Bobby still alive. Which is why I'm thinking prolonged coma or slow-recovery...something that will take Bobby out of the season, but not out of the series.

Oh, and I don't think Bobby is dead because on early episode summaries on imdb.com (they're gone now :-/ ), one ep was labeled as "Not Fade Away" and the summary was that Sam, Dean, and Bobby lead the Leviathans to the Hellmouth and discover an old aquaintence, who turned out to be Jake Abel, Adam.

The problem with imdb.com is that unofficial "news" can easily get published. I've watched many a show before, where people will write false episode summaries in order to troll fandom or the show or whatever. So, yeah, as much as it'd be cool for them to bring Adam back, or lead the Leviathans to a hell-mouth, I'm not going to count my chickens until I make sure that I'm not looking at lizard eggs.
Dec. 4th, 2011 12:08 pm (UTC)
I agree with everything you said...this was an amazing episode, one of the best this season. and I loved it when he called them his boys...about the number on sam's palm, bobby left off the last digit! thats not very good. glad to know im not the only one who adored this episode..i read someones reaction and they were bored and wanted bobby dead. D:
Dec. 4th, 2011 08:43 pm (UTC)
That's why I don't read other people's reaction :P

Did he really leave off the last digit?! Oh no! I'm not even sure that the boys know that number code anyway....so they are already at a disadvantage.
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Dec. 8th, 2011 08:58 am (UTC)
I've watched this already once, but I usually watch each new episode twice so I can try to catch what I missed first time around.

I've started this one for the second watch twice now, and I just don't think I can do it... not yet, anyway. Oh, Bobby.

I just hope he does go into the light and doesn't stay as a ghost, as implied he was considering. I've finally got S1 of SPN, so I can begin proper reviewing, but I'm already dreading 2030, when I get around to having to review this episode.
Dec. 8th, 2011 09:03 am (UTC)
I know, I was actually kind of thankful that it was an easy one to timeline, because I didn't really have to give it my full attention on timeline-rewatch. But man, it's going to be sad times next fall when I do my rewatch...at least you get to wait until 2030! ;)

I think Bobby is too smart to stay a ghost. He KNOWS what happens to ghosts - that they get twisted. Also, I think, even though the boys are grieving, that they'll give Bobby a proper hunter-funeral, which means that really, Bobby is crossing over one way or the other.

That is - unless we get a deus ex machina and someone saves him! (Let me have my denial until January please!)
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Dec. 8th, 2011 07:22 pm (UTC)
Hey there.
I was too busy and a little heartbroken to respond right away, but I'll do it now anyway.

It's not much I got to say, I agree with most of what you said but I really, really REALLY loved that scene And I love how subtle Jared always is with Sam...how he's devastated in an understated way...how the simple fact of looking at a fixed point and rubbing his palm can mean SO MUCH. Sam is hanging by a thread and that thread is about to snap...and Dean isn't prepared for it, and Sam is terrified of it and is not going to be the one to mention it to Dean.....but the fact remains that NO GOOD WILL COME OF THIS.

because while I get Dean's reaction to shoving all away, to not even dare THINK about the unthinkable, to deny and beg and pray (or whatever) and just ignore it, I so love how Jared shows Sam being calm when he is dealing with Dean, but so lost and hurt when he is alone. Afraid, scared, lonely. He needed the hug Dean mocked in his pain, he needed someone to tell him "all will be good" and there was no-one able to do that.

And that is why THAT scene is such a wonderful moment and such a great performance from those two: both deal so very differently with their pain, but both hurt so much that I want to hug them into a coma.

And god, I don't know about Bobby! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.... *runs in circles*

Also: I love Rufus. And I love how a thing of your imagination can still help you trap a reaper. Nice idea...
Dec. 8th, 2011 07:40 pm (UTC)
I agree!

Man, I think, sometimes, I start taking it for granted that Jared and Jensen are such fine actors - but I love the fact that this scene is one of the most heart-wrenching things, and it's not done with the words, but with the actions and silences.

I would also hug them into a coma.
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