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Man oh man. I'm sober tonight folks, and I think even if I had drunk copious amounts of wine, that episode would have sobered me up pretty fast anyway.

Such an awesome episode. Ben Edlund is an evil genius, and I do indeed feel like I've received a  golden punch in the face...

So, where do we begin...

Where did we start the episode? Cas in the garden? Beginning at the beginning...Cas in the car with Dean. At first, when Cas said he was going to start at the beginning and then we saw this scene, I thought it was Dean in the car right after Sam jumped in the pit...but no, of course Cas wouldn't go that easy on us - "time is fluid" (or a big ball of timey-wimey wibbley wobbly...stuff). So, the beginning is Cas appearing to check in on how the hunt for Crowley is going. Dean deflects - they have nothing, they're hunting a Djinn.

Then we get our first Cas and Crowley interaction. Crowley is performing an autopsy on Eve, and it turns out that she carries eggs like a frog. Furthermore, he can torture a vampire by torturing her dead body - but this isn't the important bit. The important bit is that the Winchesters weren't supposed to kill Eve, they were supposed to capture her (or Cas was) so that Cas and Crowley could get to Purgatory. Now Crowley is pissed off and Castiel is trying to juggle his friendship with the Winchesters and his deal with Crowley and he isn't doing a great job of it.
 
Wait, was that before or after the narration of how long Cas has been around. I liked that. I especially like how Cas looked directly into the camera afterward and said he was going to tell us (God) everything. Oh man...I suddenly am glad I'm not an actor on that show, I don't think I could form words if I had Misha staring at me like that as I spoke.
 
Cas has been around since the dawn of man. And dudes, evolution is a confirmed thing in Supernatural. I loved the old movie montage while Cas talked about the tower of Babel (30 feet was impressive at the time....made of dung), and David and Goliath, and all that stuff. My friend and I were talking about the choice of using old movies for that on our walk home, and personally, I think it shows us that while Cas SAW those events - he saw them like they were a TV show. I think the first time he was involved was with the Winchesters...and I think they showed the goofier campy old movies, because that's probably how it appeared to Cas at the time...all these silly little creatures running around building dung towers and then being surprised when they fell over.
 
Anyway, back to the story...which, maybe I should take chronologically, because I've already jumped around so much...
 
We find out that Cas was the one that raised Sam from perdition. We also find out that Cas didn't realize that he left part of Sam behind, but that in retrospect, his first clue should have been Sam's choice not to go to Dean. Poor Cas.
 
We find out that Cas went back to Heaven - that Angels don't get their own heaven, but they can hang out in other people's...and Cas's favourite is the heaven of an autistic man that is a never ending Tuesday afternoon in a garden where he flies a kite. I want to talk about this for a second, because I think this says a lot about Castiel - mainly, that Dean is right, and that Cas is like a child. There's a great meta out there about how Dean was emotionally developmentally delayed at the beginning of the series, and was basically still stuck as a four-year-old - following orders and dependent on his father for guidance. I think Cas had the same problem. For eons he followed orders, and, when he was off duty, he spent his time in a very child-like heaven. 
 
We see Rachel again (how come other angels wear suits? They're like Mr. Smith in the Matrix...did they get all their vessels just as they were leaving their white-collar jobs?). Rachel and the other angels are fascinated that Castiel was brought back - that God must have brought him back, and they ask Cas what they're supposed to do...and Cas tries to tell them that they are free, but they don't know what that means.
 
And man, as much as it was depressing, I love how Cas (the narrator) says that freedom is a length of rope and God wants them to hang themselves with it. Ouch. 
 
But then, that's what Cas does, isn't it?
 
Raphael call him and Cas goes to meet him in some Republican's heaven. Raphael does indeed want to restart the apocalypse and finish it properly. I was worried that maybe that was another one of Cas's lies, but then, I figured it had to be true, because why else would Cas be at war...so, anyway, I was happy to have that confirmed.
 
But Raphael is stronger than Cas, and beats him up. :(
 
So Cas goes to Dean, and yeah...we already found this out by this point in the episode, but Cas can stand around without people seeing him - and apparently, so can Crowley. Oh man...
 
Because Cas goes to Dean, and Dean's raking the garden...which means that it's been about 5 or 6 months since Sam's fall, by my calculations...but then, the weather is kind of all over the place in this episode, so maybe it's spring time and Dean is raking LAST Fall's leaves. We used to have to do that sometimes at my house...so it still could be spring, and maybe Sam JUST fell.
 
Anyway, Cas doesn't want to bug him. Much like Sam's decision not to go to Dean - Cas is reluctant to drag Dean back into a fight. And he's warring with himself about it when Crowley shows up and seizes the opportunity as only Crowley can....
 
Crowley's turned Hades into a neo-nazi-bureaucratic nightmare (if the Crowley picture on the wall is anything to go by). And he offers Castiel a deal - work with him to capture the monster-souls in purgatory, and they'll divide the souls between them - giving Castiel enough power to fight Raphael.
 
Of course, pride goes before the fall - and Castiel thinks he can inevitably outsmart Crowley...plus, he's desperate. I think Castiel really did get a bit hyped up that he was God's chosen angel, because who else would take the time to put him back together? And Crowley seems to play right into that, telling Cas that God probably brought him back so that he could oppose Raphael. It makes sense, after all...that's why I figured God brought him back (both times.)
 
Cas refuses to drag Dean into it though, so Crowley says "no problem, I have a bald patriarch that I can take off the bench..."
 
SO...what does that mean about where Grandpa was? Because Grandpa said that he was in heaven, but if CROWLEY has the power to through him back onto the earth - maybe he wasn't? Thoughts?
 
And so that's how we got to where we are.
 
Which is Sam and Bobby seriously doubting Castiel, and Dean trying very hard to be loyal...and I love the fact that (while spying) Castiel comments on this...that Dean's loyalty was the worst part, because Castiel must know that Dean does not give that loyalty out lightly.
 
And just in case Sassy fans were feeling left out, Dean had that great comment in there about how if Castiel was Superman, than Sam was Lois Lane. :P
 
Also! Also! Did you notice that Dean reference PERFECT STRANGERS?! Seriously! For you young'ins out there, Perfect Strangers was a sitcom in the late 80s/early 90s, that featured Balky, a naive foreigner, moving to a major US city (New York?) and living with his US cousin. Dean not only called Castiel BALKY, but he USED BALKY'S FULL NAME! I mean, holy hell, I loved that sitcom (shut-up, I was young), but not even I remember Balky's full name!
 
Ok, sorry, Perfect Strangers geekery aside....
 
I love this new dynamic of how Cas can just hang around without being seen...crazyness. The first scene it happened in - I kept waiting for someone to spot him and it to get crazy awkward - but no, he can just stand there and observe.
 
Bobby's got a hunter/demon tied to a chair though and is torturing him for info...and eventually he cracks and tells them about ...umm...damn, I forget his name. Aloysius or something (it's probably nothing like Aloysius). Anyway, he tells them about "The Dispatcher" who is basically the demon equivalent of Bobby Singer. 
 
Then we see "The Dispatcher" and he REALLY IS THE DEMON  EQUIVALENT OF BOBBY SINGER. It reminded me of this sculpture of the Last Supper that I saw in the Museum of Anthropology out at UBC the other week: 
 
Everyone has their demon counter-part.
 
Anyway, Castiel goes and LAYS THE SMACK DOWN! I love BAMF!Cas. I love when "The Dispatcher" tries to escape, and Cas is just like "Oh hell no, get back in there" and shoves the smoke back down his throat and then kills him. NOICE. (That's "nice" with an Australian accent, btw.)
 
So, when the Winchesters get there, the place is all nice and clean and lovely...and they're like "Wow, so clean!....TOO CLEAN"....I'm thinking that maybe Castiel should sell his own line of cleaning products or something, if this is the reaction his cleaning gets.
 
Then Sam tries to pray for Cas (to humour Dean) and he doesn't come (because he's already there watching) and then Dean tries (and Cas still stays hidden) and then SURPRISE DEMON ATTACK!
 
So, Cas has to decloak and kick demon ass again...
 
Cas the narrator tells us that in that moment, he felt like himself again...and I think that's really telling. Not to take this to a weird place or anything, but there's something Dan Savage says a lot about relationships. In that, we pretend to be the very best version of ourselves for those that we love, and in return, our loved ones also pretend that we are that very best version of ourselves - and that's how good relationships make you into a better person, because you are constantly trying to live up to that best version of yourself that you believe you have convinced your loved one that you are. (Did that make sense? I'm bad at explaining things sometimes.) But yeah, I think Castiel's best version of himself is this powerful being that can sweep in and save them from evil...someone who is righteous and good, and not morally grey at all. And up until now, the Winchesters were happy to believe that of him too - happy to give him that - but the truth of the matter is that the cracks in illusion are starting to get too glaringly obvious. Just as you can't pretend that your partner is the very best version of themselves when they constantly smack you around - you also can't pretend that your angel is righteous and good when it's becoming increasingly obvious that he's working with a demon.
 
So, Castiel saves them, and then the Winchesters use the oldest trick in the book - they lull Castiel into a false sense of security by confessing their misgivings and apologizing...and Castiel makes the rookie spying mistake of saying something that he shouldn't have known. And it's heart breaking, because he gets that dorky look on his face that he gets whenever he tries to joke around but isn't very good at it, and he's all at once a complete goofball AND breaking the hearts of his friends by betraying them (morally, at least).

So, then Castiel goes and throws Crowley into a wall and tells him NOT TO TOUCH THE WINCHESTERS RAR! 
 
Then Dean, Sam, and Bobby call him back...and yeah...he falls in to a burning ring of fire, and it burns burns burns and....oh, sorry.
 
So, I never thought I would see the day, but they trap Castiel in a ring of holy oil and demand answers.
 
Just as an aside - where the heck do they get this holy oil from all the time? The first time Cas showed up with it, he said it was from Israel and was very rare, yet Sam and Dean have always had some on hand ever since.  Sorry sorry, nitpicky, I know.
 
Castiel eventually confesses...well, Dean does the old parental trick of "look me in the eye and tell me..." and of course Castiel fails. (Weird personal anecdote: It was a glorious day in my childhood when I realized that I COULD actually lie straight to my parent's faces. I felt invincible and drunk with lying power....but sadly, or perhaps not sadly, I've since lost the ability and these days I'm an absolutely horrible liar.)
 
Castiel tells Sam that he was the one that raised him from perdition...and my goodness, this is in stark contrast to the last time he said those words. (Also, for those of you who might be confused, I don't think soulless Sam was lying when he said he didn't know who had raised him...I think in those flashbacks that we saw in tonights eppy, Cas was doing the invisible eavesdropping thing with soulless!Sam and soulless!Sam didn't know he was there.)
 
Dean then lays it all out for Castiel - he should have come to them, etc...and yeah, another heartbreaking line is Cas asking where Dean was when he needed to hear that? And Dean saying "where were you?" 

Not to be a Harry Potter nerd or anything, but Castiel reminds me a bit of Harry Potter here - getting into shit because he's so used to dealing with things on his own that he keeps things from his friends/authority.
 
Then DEMON SWARM! 

Which sucks, because I really think they could have talked it out maybe? Though, maybe not, given that when Dean offered to "fix it", Castiel's response was to say "It's NOT BROKEN!" Um, Cas, it's broken...it's very very broken.
 
Castiel makes them run, and they do. Crowley comes in and snaps out the fire...like he just saved the day - as thought Castiel's friends really had turned on him completely and were going to kill him right then. For the record, I think Crowley knows they weren't going to...I think Crowley knows that they would have talked it out with Castiel and eventually worked out a plan with him to get Crowley - and that's why Crowley swept in to "save" Cas. He was saving himself.
 
Then we get Dean sleeping in a supposedly angel-proofed Bobby's house. Only it's not angel-proofed, because Castiel shows up. Also, that "blood" on the windows is far too red to be blood. (nitpicky nitpicker is nitpicky) 
 
And Dean and Cas have a chat...and again, Dean repeats that Cas is like a child. Which is something that Dean has said a lot this season, and although it hurt Cas's feelings last episode...I do kind of have to agree with Dean. If Cas was developmentally delayed for eons, I think he's reached his teenage years now. He thinks he knows what to do with freedom, but, like a lot of first-year-college/university students, he really really doesn't.
 
Dean gives this great speech about how Cas is like his brother - and you can tell that Cas is really touched (and surprised) by that. Unfortunately, my friend's PVR messed up here, and I missed some of Dean's lines. But, I'm sure they were very Dean-like and meaningful. Castiel won't waver though, or at least, instead of admitting that he may have just made himself a noose, and could Dean please help him get it off his neck, he asks Dean what Dean will do if he doesn't do what Dean wants...and well, yeah, what else is Dean going to say really? Actions have to have consequences...unfortunately, I think Dean should have gone with "I'll be very disappointed in you" rather than "I'll have to kill you" (or whatever he said.) Because then Cas is just like "But I'm a BAMF!Angel OF THE LORD!" and Dean is all like, "Dude, ever hear of a guy named Zachariah? I totally smote his ass, and he was a BAMF!Angels too." (I'm obviously paraphrasing here).
 
So, we get the end of the episode...and...yeah...two weeks.

OTHER STUFF:
 
I liked how Crowley listed everyone that the Winchesters have killed and said that he wasn't going to make the mistake of underestimating them. 
 
Sam looked really good in this episode...damn.
 
So I missed a lot of golden stuff in there that I would love to talk about, but I'm kind of having trouble remembering it all and this is a really love review already...so, yeah...let me know in comments if you want to hear my thoughts on a particular part that I've neglected to talk about.

 

Two weeks...two weeks....OH MAN.

Comments

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mymuseandi
May. 7th, 2011 08:16 am (UTC)
LOL I love your review for this episode, because it's hilarious, even more so than the previous ones.

I love morally ambiguous Castiel, because you can see how he's trying and trying and failing, but there's no turning back, only going forward, and isn't this Cas so eerily reminiscent of S4 Sam, where he tried to do the right thing but it backfired on him? But this is a different kind of heartbreaking, because, as you said, he's like a child, and children mostly don't know any better even when they think they do.

And for a guy who thinks he's good just for being pretty and killing things and looking after his brother, Dean surprisingly lays a good amount of sense onto Cas. I just hope he listens!
hells_half_acre
May. 7th, 2011 08:20 am (UTC)
Dean is smarter than he gives himself credit for, that's for sure. He was great in this episode.

Very heartbreaking though! I can only hope that just like S4 Sam, there's a way for Castiel to "come back home" as it were.

And thanks for thinking I'm hilarious! lol. I wasn't even trying to be :P
msninacat
May. 7th, 2011 08:48 am (UTC)
SO...what does that mean about where Grandpa was? Because Grandpa said that he was in heaven, but if CROWLEY has the power to through him back onto the earth - maybe he wasn't? Thoughts?

Crowley is the king of hell and unless he replaced himself the king of the crossroads. I believe both come with connections to the other side, especially since this episode was all about pointing out counterparts. And if not, he could have totally manipulated someone else into helping him put Grandpa back on the planet "for the greater good."

That's my opinion anyway. You'll have to forgive me, I'm still over here cackling and playing devil's advocate. ;D
hells_half_acre
May. 7th, 2011 08:53 am (UTC)
Hmm, true, I guess that makes sense.
dairygirl
May. 7th, 2011 11:29 am (UTC)
Yeah, Crowley knows exactly where to weasel into the head of his targets. Not that I haven't been impressed by the character before but Crowley was pulling out all the stops with Castiel: hitting him after his defeat by Raphael, pointing out how a partnership (and sharing of soul power) works and getting Castiel to agree (and reinforcing said agreement even in the face of your friends' disapproval). And yeah, even having an actor stare into a camera into your living room from your television was quite arresting. I thought that was a great way to get viewer's attention.

I loved the "Castiel, don't step on that fish. Big plans for that fish" line. I thought Castiel stated 37 feet for the Tower of Babel and then was stunned by the fact it was made of dung! Really? What kind and was it dry? (My gardening mind is manure-focused right now.

I did not know Castiel could go invisible this episode and I screamed at the television when Bobby, Sam and Dean were having their discussion. Yeah, poor Castiel kept digging himself into a deep, dark, hellish hole as the episode wears on. The demon Bobby equivalent down to the baseball cap, flannel and phone bank was a great touch.

Ooh, I had to cringe at Castiel repeating the Superman gone dark side line. Huge mistake. I thought it was interesting that the heaven Castiel hung in was snowcovered by the end. And the sign that Castiel was looking for? Did he not get it from his friend Dean who told him to quit it? This was a great, tough episode. I don't like amoral Castiel but it is a great direction to take the show.
hells_half_acre
May. 7th, 2011 09:03 pm (UTC)
Yeah, Crowley really is a master manipulator...and Castiel (as S4 proved) isn't above being manipulated.

And yes, having Castiel stare directly at me DEFINITELY got my attention. :P

37 feet sounds right to me - I'd like to think it was a mixture of dung (dried into bricks?) and some sort of support structure...but maybe it was just dung-bricks.

Yes, I think the sign Castiel was looking for was probably given to him in the form of his friends being all disappointed and telling him to CUT IT OUT! Sigh...

I don't like amoral (or misguided) Castiel either, but it really is a great direction to take the show - because it's easy to get behind the Winchesters going up against something evil or monstery like Lucifer or Eve, but it's quite another thing to get behind them when they are going up against a friend - especially when you feel for that friend. So, yeah, excellent dramatic turning point for the show.

I really do hope that Castiel can be redeemed though. I love that little nerdy guy with wings.
zestyzorra
May. 7th, 2011 12:03 pm (UTC)
BALKY!!!!!!!!! I totally got that and loved it, too! XD

hells_half_acre
May. 7th, 2011 08:56 pm (UTC)
Yay!! :D
marlowe78
May. 7th, 2011 02:27 pm (UTC)
I think it shows us that while Cas SAW those events - he saw them like they were a TV show. I think the first time he was involved was with the Winchesters...and I think they showed the goofier campy old movies, because that's probably how it appeared to Cas at the time...all these silly little creatures running around building dung towers and then being surprised when they fell over

Oh, excellent point. I just liked it at the time and didn't give it much choice, but it's a good point. Oh, and I loved the "my big brother told me not to step on that fish, because this fish had a big future in front of it. I loved the big brother-thing then, like little weeCas standing next to teenage-Gabriel (I think he'd be the more fitting one... a creator)

I think Cas had the same problem. For eons he followed orders, and, when he was off duty, he spent his time in a very child-like heaven

Oh yes. Cas is very much like Dean used to be. He's inexperienced with free will, and like a child that's suddenly given more money than he'd could ever want, he doesn't know what to do with it. And like with that child (or take teenage-Moviestar or something), he gets approached in EXACTLY that moment where he's pondering his choices by the snaky dude with "the plan".

It's an evil mastermind's plan, made by a really smart demon. And boy, doesn't it remind you of one other brother of Dean, who made the same wrong choices based on intel from the wrong source? It's exactly the same, and I'm a bit pissed that the Winchesters never just say: "Dude, we KNOW, because we all made the same mistakes. We learned from them and now we're in a position to teach someone to not make the same mistakes"

But no, they never do. They stick to the Dad-motto of "Trust me, I know the right way" and never give the poor sods a map, leaving them alone in the Free Will(derness) to find their own way.

Sure, you need to shove some kids out of the comfort they have, and some people thrive when suddenly getting the rug yanked from underneath them. But it's still now fair. So their dads (John and God) would've done much better by preparing them for the journey.

btw, I think Cas has missed the sign he was asking for, because it had already passed before he asked. It's a bit like... well, you know this joke about the fine, upstanding Christian who falls into the river?

Well, he's there and a stranger comes by, tells him to grab his hand. "No" says the Christian, "the lord will rescue me". Then next, a policeman comes along, throws a rope and tells him to grab it. "no" says the Christian, "thanks, but the Lord will rescue me". Next, there is fire-man who tries to grab him, and the Christian again says "No, thanks, but my faith is strong and the Lord will rescue me".

So of course he drowns in the river. Up in heaven, he stands in front of the Lord, and he says "Lord, why did you forsake me? I was so strong in my faith in you, why didn't you save me?"

And the Lord answers: "Dumb fool! I sent three men to get you, but you just wouldn't take their help. What more did you want me to do?"

I love this, and I think it fits, a tiny bit. Or maybe not and I'm a dumb fool, whatever :-D


how come other angels where suits?

Maybe it's to show that they have no free choice and therefore never get to choose their own stuff? No idea, actually. calls for a bit meta on angels...

SO...what does that mean about where Grandpa was? Because Grandpa said that he was in heaven, but if CROWLEY has the power to through him back onto the earth - maybe he wasn't? Thoughts?

Oh... Did he say "I have" or "I know"? I thought it was "I know" but... well. I dunno, actually. Hmm. Maybe Gramps did too many dirty things while alive already? I fear we won't get his story for right, though. Maybe a bit, I'm hoping, but probably not.

marlowe78
May. 7th, 2011 02:29 pm (UTC)
Just as an aside - where the heck do they get this holy oil from all the time? The first time Cas showed up with it, he said it was from Israel and was very rare, yet Sam and Dean have always had some on hand ever since.

Aaaaah, but Bobby has CONNECTIONS, right? He now knows what it can do and therefore ordered a shitload of the stuff, from his hunter-friend Kazeem over in Israel who runs a little black-market for stuff like that. Right? We all know that! *wink*

.I think Crowley knows that they would have talked it out with Castiel and eventually worked out a plan with him to get Crowley - and that's why Crowley swept in to "save" Cas. He was saving himself.

Well, of course! I don't think ANYONE believed otherwise, not even Cas. He's not that dumb, he's just gullible.

Also, that "blood" on the windows is far too red to be blood. (nitpicky nitpicker is nitpicky)

Oh man! I hate it when they find supposedly old blood that's blood red! Blood is browney, rust-colored when old, and I think it's so sad that NO probs-department in any show (except CSI, which is about the only good thing I can say about it, now that Grissom isn't there anymore) can get right. Is brown stuff more expensive than red, or why don't they use the right thing? *nitpicks with you*

"I'll have to kill you" (or whatever he said.)

Oh no, fortunately, he says "I do what I have to", which leaves many options, from stepping in between Cas and Purgatory to killing Crowley even when Cas is against him, up to, though, killing him. He says he'll do what he has to, but I don't think he'd kill him without given the ultimate choice to do it or fail.

I'm soooooooooooo much waiting for next-next week!


I liked this episode. It was important, though some friends said they really don't care about Castiel. well, I do. I like the guy (and I still won't mind if his storyline is over) and his reasons for doing what he did are VERY important. He's not Superman gone bad - he never WAS Superman. He's always been an angel who fell, and who chose but he chose a wrong path. And well, it's pretty much like Sam's storyline in s4, and it should have been (and maybe will? I dunno, I have NO clue about next episodes) Sam's place to explain why it's always wrong to liaise with a demon. He knows.

I kinda like that God left the angels to themselves. It's like... he gave them what they always wanted, but he gave it to them absolute. Freedom of will means as much freedom to err than it means freedom to do right. It's THEIR decision, and that's a bit much for them.

I wonder what's up with Balty. Where's his role in all that? Is he like a back-up to double-play crowley? That'd be smart, even though he's probably not the right choice.

What you missed... well, Sam asking Cas if he got him out soulless on purpose, and Castiel is so heartbroken about them even thinking that. good scene.

And Crowley called Castiel "Ducky", which I think was adorable, even though I really don't know anything about Ducky except what I learned from "Children shouldn't play with dead things"

then there was this moment when Dean looked back, when Cas made them run. I was kinda waiting for him to go back and break the oil-line, that'd been a great moment, but ... well. He didn't.

So, I really had a good time with this episode, and I had to think about you!

because of the torture-scene, and your meta on torture, and YES, there is more of that these days, especially these last episodes. There HAS to be something about that, because really... so obvious. I liked Crowley's place, it was SO freaking creepy. And man... jsut thinking about that and then thinking about Dean in Hell, and Alistair... *shudder*

I'll see you soon, thanks for providing a place to ramble along.
hells_half_acre
May. 7th, 2011 09:31 pm (UTC)
I totally want fic about Kazeem in Israel now. :P

Re: the blood.
Isn't it just made with food colouring? They could mix a bit of blue and yellow in there and make it more brown...wouldn't be THAT hard....just to continue the nitpicking.

Re: "I'll do what I have to do"
Oh! Could point! Dean will probably do everything he can NOT to harm Cas...I just hope that Cas doesn't give him no other choice. Now THAT would be crazy heartbreaking. (Ok, now I'm worried they're going to do that, just because it'll be crazy heartbreaking.)

Some of your friends don't care about Castiel?! :( Awww...I like him. Mind you, I suppose I like everyone. Still, I really hope that it IS similar to Sam's S4 arch, in that he'll see the error of his ways and work to earn back the trust of the Winchesters (and his place in their little adoptive family).

I kinda like that God left the angels to themselves. It's like... he gave them what they always wanted, but he gave it to them absolute.

It really is a be-careful-what-you-wish-for scenario. Make sure you know what to do with freedom, before you demand it.

I wonder what's up with Balty. Where's his role in all that? Is he like a back-up to double-play crowley? That'd be smart, even though he's probably not the right choice.

Now that would be cool! It'd be nice if they still had an angel on their side...even if they didn't know he was on their side. I mean, Castiel doesn't want anything to harm them, but he's working against them, so he doesn't count anymore.

What you missed... well, Sam asking Cas if he got him out soulless on purpose, and Castiel is so heartbroken about them even thinking that. good scene.

Oh man! I can't believe I forgot to talk about that. Yes! That was such a good scene - man, Jared and Misha are so good...between Sam going puppy-eyed over the possible betrayal, and Cas going puppy-eyed at the idea that Sam could think he would do that, my heart broke two-fold.

And Crowley called Castiel "Ducky", which I think was adorable, even though I really don't know anything about Ducky except what I learned from "Children shouldn't play with dead things"

Oh man! I didn't even put that reference together. It didn't even occur to me that Crowley could have been referencing Pretty in Pink. I lived in Newfoundland for a bit, and in Newfoundland "ducky" is a term of endearment that you use for your friends (or strangers that you think are adorable). "Where are you to, my ducky?" So, yeah...that's probably...I mean, I should have realized that Edlund probably hasn't spent a lot of time in Newfoundland and it was a movie reference...I'm such a ninny sometimes.

then there was this moment when Dean looked back, when Cas made them run.

That was heartbreaking.

I had forgotten about my meta on torture! Haha...wow, thanks for remembering. And you are very right...so much of it. Crowley's place was really creepy, I agree. Have you ever been to museums that include old hospitals/morgues etc.? That's what it reminded me of. That old looking tile that you just know was frequently hosed down...*shudder*

And yes, it does make you think of Dean in Hell. *double shudder*

Thanks for rambling! :)

hells_half_acre
May. 7th, 2011 09:11 pm (UTC)
That's a cute image of wee!Castiel standing next to teenaged!Gabriel :) It reminds me of some of cafe_de_labeill work.

And yes, the storyline is very reminiscent of S4!Sam's storyline. And it's funny, that Cas should at once both remind us of Dean AND Sam. I think both of them need to sit him down and have a good talk...but yeah, their chance to do that (without Cas fleeing) was taken away when Crowley "rescued" Cas from the ring of fire.

And yes, I TOTALLY agree that Castiel matches that allegory of the Christian drowning in the river.

Someone else pointed out that Crowley can probably take from heaven too - so, the fact that it was Crowley who resurrected Samuel probably meant nothing.

katsheswims
May. 7th, 2011 05:53 pm (UTC)
"Unfortunately, my friend's PVR messed up here, and I missed some of Dean's lines. But, I'm sure they were very Dean-like and meaningful."
Here Dean said something like, "You know what, I'm just going to tell you not to do it because I said so. You should trust me when I ask you not to do something" etc.

I think Dean should have gone with "I'll be very disappointed in you" rather than "I'll have to kill you" (or whatever he said.) Here Dean said something like, "I'll have to do what I have to." Or "I'll have to stop you."
hells_half_acre
May. 7th, 2011 08:56 pm (UTC)
Thanks!

As some other people pointed out - maybe the "sigh" Castiel was looking for was the disappointment and derision of ALL OF HIS FRIENDS! :P
borgmama1of5
May. 7th, 2011 10:28 pm (UTC)
This episode's revelations require rewatching the entire season and looking for all the clues about what Cas was doing.

Did he know Sam was soulless before Cas put his hand into Sam's chest? Because if he did, he was torturing Sam needlessly just to protect his story!

And when will Winchesters learn that giving ultimatims (Stop or else! Walk out that door, don't come back!) DON'T WORK!!!
hells_half_acre
May. 7th, 2011 10:37 pm (UTC)
No, I don't think Cas knew that Sam was soulless until he checked. I think he didn't realize that he had botched the rescue - just based on how he mentioned that Sam not going to Dean should have been his first clue that something had gone wrong.

And yes, ultimatums NEVER WORK...sigh. Again, I'm just hoping that S7 will be Cas trying to redeem himself, rather than being distanced further.
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