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Quick Reaction: 6x19 Mommy Dearest

Alright! Home again...I've had a MODERATE amount of wine tonight, so those of you who feared for me developing alcoholism in order to please you can rest assured that it hasn't happened yet...

On with the episode, which was funnier than I thought it was going to be....

Ok, we open with a bar - from the outside it kind of looks like this private bar that I was at the other week...but it's not, and I don't know where it is in the city...but we have two people leaving and then the Mother walks up and is all "Hi, I'm a pretty girl in a nightie" and NEITHER of the dudes mention the fact that she is in a white nightgown at night with BLOOD on her - I mean, really guys? Really?! She touches one of them and does something weird to him...then she goes into the bar and does it to a whole bunch of people, and the whole place turns into a hockey riot - only with more biting. (Seriously guys, I am super scared about riots if the Canucks lose the cup...and second to that I am scared about riots if they win.)

Anyway, Sam and Dean are still chillin at Bobby's. You know, for all Eric talked about how he didn't like the Roadhouse and this was supposed to be a "road show" they really use Bobby's as a home-base SO MUCH. I mean, more and more as the seasons progress. I'm not complaining, mind you. I personally love the fact that our heroes have a home in a scrapyard.

I love the exchange with Dean about calling Cas, and then Cas's arrival. I mean, yes, as a friend pointed out, it was really juvenile humour, but it was HILARIOUS.

Dean: Why does it always have to be me that calls him? It's not like Cas lives in my ass-"
*Cas appears directly behind Dean*
Dean: CAS! Get out of my ass!
Cas: I was never in y- *confused*
 
hahahaa...typity type type type....I see you Destiel shippers! I SEE YOU!
 
Cas wants to find Eve too. (Personal Side note: I one new a pair of identical twins and one of them was named Eve...one of them was also EVIL - it's true! I can't remember if it was Eve that was the evil one or not, now, but that would be ironic)
 
Sam comes up with the brilliant plan of trying to find a sympathetic thing with claws - that they've met enough of them. My friend Kathleen thought of the Skinwalker in this season, but at the line I suddenly remembered hearing a rumour months and months ago about a return of Lenore. So, yeah, SPOILED! But at least I was spoiled at the last minute, because I honestly had forgotten about that rumour/spoiler until the very second Sam brought it up as a possibility.
 
Cas goes and retrieves her, and she's DEFINITELY seen better days. I like Lenore though, and I'm really glad we got to see her again, even though it was super sad. I was really wondering how her and her nest were fairing with all these psychic messages and whatnot - and it turns out that they were not fairing very well.
 
Also, apparently monsters are like video-cameras to the Mother of All. Crazy! That's a lot of cameras - that's like BRITAIN. (BIG BROTHER BURN! OH YEAH, I WENT THERE....ok, um...starting to wonder if my alcohol consumption was actually that moderate...I apologize to my British readers, you live in a lovely country and you throw nice weddings.)
 
Then Lenore asks a favour - to kill her. And man, it's heart breaking that she begs SAM to do it. It makes sense, because Sam was the one that she was able to convince before - Sam is the one that she has the most experience with. But man, Sam is also the one that's been two drops of blood away from being pure human himself...and yeah...and man, Jared does such a good job of turning away and screwing his eyes shut and looking pathetically helpless and sad when Castiel kills Lenore.
 
Personally, although Castiel just says that he did it because they were wasting time, I think he also did it to spare Sam the job, and any more begging. (Sassy fans are with me, aren't you?!?!) No matter what shenanigans Cas is up to, he's still the Winchesters' friend, and I really do think that he'd want to spare Sam that kind of pain.
 
The Mother of All is in Oregon. So, Castiel zaps them there...and they drive around in a Chrysler that totally looked like one that my Dad used to own. We called it The Boat, and we left it parked up at my cottage and it got infested with snakes. ("I'M SICK OF THESE MOTHER FUCKING SNAKES IN THIS MOTHER FUCKING CHRYSLER"....is what I'm sure our welder friend said when he came to tour it away for parts).
 
I keep getting off track, I apologize.
 
First they go to a diner, and Sam gives Bobby an iPad to use - and I love Bobby's line about how computers have buttons. That's how I feel about iPads - though, I probably just feel that way because I can't afford one. Cas tries to locate the Mother by "searching the town" - and I love how in order to do this, all he has to do is stare into the middle distance....but it doesn't work, so he scrunches up his eyes...but nope, he's blocked.
 
Guys, I love de-mojoed Cas. Don't get me wrong, I like Cas as a BAMF too, but I really also like it when he's a poor helpless human who used to be powerful, but isn't anymore and is all woobie about it. That being said....Dean really needs to tone down the sarcasm/teasing with Castiel. WE know that there's affection behind it, but I don't think Cas does.
 
So, they split up to find this doctor who called the CDC or whatever...and both teams strike out - though Dean and Cas find a corpse, and Bobby and Sam find a cop. I liked Bobby being all FBI, even though he was dressed like the scrapyard hunter that he is. He really pulled it off.
 
They go to the first victims house to find copies of him all over...the last of which is dying. Sam and Dean talk to him....and guys, I really hate sick people on TV. It always makes me feel so disgusting. I would not make a good nurse, because I am too OCD. The whole time I'm sitting there thinking "Ugh! Don't breathe on the boys!" Dean's line about bathing in Purell was totally me.
 
At the bar next, they discover VAMPIRE WRAITHS! And OH MAN, THE BEST NAME FOR A MONSTER  IS BORN! Hahahaha...as per tradition in the scientific community, the person who discovers the new life-form/gene/planet/whatever gets to name it - and Dean decides that instead of some portmanteau like Vaiths or Wraipires, he's going to call them "Jefferson Starships, because they suck and they're hard to kill!"
 
And the best part - the best part is that because no one take the time to think of something better, they then all HAVE TO CALL THEM THAT for the rest of the episode. I absolutely loved that moment in the police station when Sam realizes that the cops are monsters and he has that moments pause as he tries to worn Cas and Bobby where you just see him thinking "I can't believe I'm going to call them this, but..."
 
Also, SAMMY TAKES THEM OUT WITH HIS HEAD! I love BAMF!Sam, seriously...that was some sexy shit right there.
 
Someone, I forget who now...Sam? Thinks to keep one to interrogate them. 
 
Then Sam and Dean discover two wittle boys who are all "we are cute and adorable and we totally remind you of yourselves...won't you pwease help us?"
 
And Dean and Sam are like "YES! WE WILL HELP YOU AND FEEL GOOD ABOUT OURSELVES AND BOND SILENTLY OVER OUR TOTAL DEVOTION TO EACH OTHER"
 
And Cas is like "NOoooooooo....LEAVE THEM AND HELP ME KILL THE MOTHER, YOU GODDAMN SYMPATHETIC HUMANS!"
 
So Sam and Dean take off to drive the boys to their uncle's or somewhere...and Bobby says a cool line, which is something along the lines of "You don't LET Sam and Dean do anything. They do what they want."
 
I like that line because Sam and Dean really do completely represent the idea of Free Will - for better and for worse. They do what they want, and sometimes what they want is a GOOD decision, and sometimes what they want is a mistake - but regardless, at the end of the day, you have to respect them for not being controlled.
 
And I really kept waiting for those kids to turn on Sam and Dean - but instead we kept getting all these cute scenes and long "I appreciate everything you've ever done from me" looks from Sam to Dean...and you start to think, "You know, it'd be kind of nice if they could just have this...if those kids could just actually be innocent kids."
 
Meanwhile, Cas has mastered sarcasm and has also mastered interrogative techniques - and it's around here that I started to get a LITTLE suspicious of what exactly Cas has been up to the last little while...because, well, I know angels are a bit amoral most of the time, but at least in On The Head of a Pin, Cas looked REALLY uncomfortable about the whole torture situation.
 
Anyway, they get an address and then they all head over to the diner...and Sam and Dean decide to go in, with Bobby and Cas as outside backup. 
 
Oh guys! I forgot to talk about the bullets! Dean made FIVE phoenix ash bullets! I couldn't help but think "Dean, maybe if you made SMALLER GAUGE BULLETS the ash would STRETCH FURTHER! I mean REALLY?! JUST FIVE CHANCES?!?"
 
And sure enough, the first thing Eve does is confiscate Sam and Dean's shot-guns...and that's what, two of the five bullets right there?
 
Then Eve talks to them...and what she says is actually revelatory. She was fine with the way things were, but only decided to wreak revenge on the world when her monsters/first-borns started to be tortured at the hands of Crowley (and brought in by the Winchesters). SURPRISING FACT #1: Crowley is still alive!
 
Also, Eve morphs into their mother! Older!Mary. Yay! She's cool. (My sister will be pleased when she watches the episode. She has a girl-crush on Samantha Smith.)
 
She offers to have the Winchesters work for her in defeating Crowley, and they won't be killed...and neither will Bobby and Cas. Also, she tells Cas that she's older than angels (or did she just say she's been around long enough to know how they work?....this is interesting for the debate about whether or not Eve is THE EVE or whether she's someone else entirely)...and that as long as she's around, Cas will be powerless. Part of me really wanted Cas to be powerless for the last four episodes, I'll be honest - I really do have a thing for human!Cas.
 
Anyway...that doesn't make a difference, because Dean tells her to bite him, and she does! And then we discover that DEAN HAS TURNED HIMSELF INTO MOTHER-POISON.
 
Seriously - say what you want about Dean - every once in a while, he's a frickin' genius strategist. I guess after being turned into a Vampire and abducted by fairies, he figured he'd try to make himself as protected as possible - he DRANK a shot-gun shell's worth of Phoenix Ashes - and apparently that was enough to fuck with his blood stream.  Still, that's a pretty dangerous game - what if drinking Phoenix ashes turned you into a Phoenix or something? That'd be cool (AUs GO! typity type type type....)
 
THEN THE MOTHER OF ALL DIES, YOU GUYS! SHE DIES! She was only a villain for 7 EPISODES! 
 
Now I have all KINDS of questions - does this mean that the monsters can't be created anew anymore? I mean, once you destroy the alpha vamp and all the other vamps, there'd be no one to create new vamps...does this mean that there is going to be an increasingly limited supply of monsters?! Have Sam and Dean given an expiration date on the Huntering lifestyle?! Are they like the last of the Dodo Hunters now?!
 
Ok...before my head explodes. Castiel kills all the monsters, and I love the "SHUT YOUR EYES" and the big BAMFness of his killing-monsters move. Seriously...I have a real conundrum when it comes to Cas - I love him as a BAMF!angel, but I also love him as a helpless human.
 
They go to the orphan's place to kill the secretly-evil boys, and find them already dead with sulphuric traces left behind. DEMONS...and Sam is right, demons don't just kill monsters because they feel like it - they had to be under orders. 
 
Castiel plays innocent, but as soon as the Mother had said that Crowley was alive and that it was "all about the souls", I believed her and I started to think that Castiel and Crowley were secretly in cahoots. That was one elaborate death they staged, but staged it was...because Castiel leaves in a huff after playing innocent, and he goes back to the diner where Crowley is waiting for him...apparently disappointed that he had to clean up one of Castiel's messes YET AGAIN. 
 
INTERESTING.
 
Also, kudos to Mark, for once again (I believe) keeping his name out of the credits so that his arrival was a complete shock.
 
VERY INTERESTING INDEED.
 
Meanwhile, back at the house in the middle of nowhere with two dead kids and no car, and now no zapping angel....Bobby and Sam are starting to think along the same lines as me...there's a good chance that Cas is tangled up with Crowley in someway and he can't be trusted. Dean isn't hearing it though, because guys, Cas is his ONLY FRIEND and BFF and his own personal angel who saved him from hell...and and...Dean's in denial. In an effort to keep the peace, Sam says that it's "nothing"...but I'm wondering how long that's going to last.
 
So, theory time: Castiel had something to do with Sam coming back from Hell soulless. He wasn't upset at Dean for putting the soul back in because it endangered Sam's life. He was angry because he wanted the soul for something else, or he needed soulless Sam for something else...or something. 

Also, I'm totally calling the birth of a bunch of Cas/Crowley shippers...what's that one going to be called? Does it already have a name? Casley? Crowstiel? Hahaha...oh god...I am not going to read any of it. I really don't like slash in this fandom, guys, I'm sorry.
 
Random note: I love when Dean referred to Cas as "Smitey McSmiterson" - because I use that all the time...just today I was talking to my sister about a cover letter for a job, and was worried that it made me seem too "Smarty McSmartypants" for the position. I also use it a lot when driving "What's with Slow McSlowerson?"
 
But yes, the moral of the story is that CAS IS UP TO NO GOOD! Seriously...what is Cas up to!?! "All's fair in love and war" is just a saying, Castiel...it's not actually TRUE. Otherwise we wouldn't put people on trial for WAR CRIMES. Oh man oh man....
 

So, what did you guys think? Theories and speculation in the comments please! BUT NO SPOILERS! And no theories BASED on spoilers...seriously, I don't want "well, according to some stuff I've heard, I think that that Dean is going to...." NO SPOILERS WHATSOEVER!
 
 

Comments

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msninacat
Apr. 30th, 2011 10:15 am (UTC)
I freaking loved it. It was an interesting twist to make and totally brings all the wtfery together. I think Crowley has some sort of leverage over Cas and I can't wait to see what road they take because I have quiet a few things brewing in the tin hat. ;D

Also, anything I tell you is straight outta my warped brain and has no outside influence beyond other crazy fans that will listen to me. ;D
hells_half_acre
Apr. 30th, 2011 08:38 pm (UTC)
Also, anything I tell you is straight outta my warped brain and has no outside influence beyond other crazy fans that will listen to me

Thanks! That's good to know! I always get so nervous around this time of year that it's going to all be spoiled.

But yes! It's nice to see all the wtfery start being brought together. I'm really interested in the dynamics of Crowley and Cas' partnership (not THAT kind of partnership)...but yeah, is it that Crowley has leverage, or is it that Castiel chooses bad people to trust?
zestyzorra
Apr. 30th, 2011 10:25 am (UTC)
Excellent review! I'm still hung up on the motherfucking snakes in your former Chrysler and how the heck that's even possible but I digress....

IDK about shipping Cas & Crowley but what I do adore is how we are THISCLOSE to Aziraphale + Crowley territory. And that, my friend, is a beautiful thing!
hells_half_acre
Apr. 30th, 2011 08:40 pm (UTC)
It just happened! I do not know how the motherfucking snakes got into the Chrysler, but our welder friend who came to tow it away apparently had quite the scare...there were old snake skins and new snakes...and they were all just chillin' in the Chrysler.

And YES, I immediately thought of Aziraphale+Crowley! Haha...for some reason I think Castiel+Crowley is a very different beast though. ;)
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franztastisch
Apr. 30th, 2011 01:18 pm (UTC)
I think Cas knows what he's doing; as in, he knows what he's doing is wrong. But I'm not entierly sure that he cares - I have this feeling that the reason he keeping it all from the Winchesters is that they are the only ones that can make him feel guilty about it. And now you've mentioned the idea that Cas has something to do with Sam coming back soulless, I think you're right. Cos why would a demon have the power to do that? That doesn't make sence. And demons are souls in a manner of speaking, aren't they? And demons were human and humans can't do that. And if demons have the power to pull souls out of hell, surely it would be miles easier for them to escape hell themselves, but it's not. AND what would Crowley get out of Cas winning the war in Heaven?

Wow, sorry. Ramble. I reckon this is me putting off revising for a little longer...
hells_half_acre
Apr. 30th, 2011 08:45 pm (UTC)
I think Castiel does care that what he's doing is wrong - I think he's really conflicted about it. I mean yes, he's keeping it from the Winchesters because he knows they'd give him a hard time about it - but I also think that he knows that they SHOULD, and that Castiel is probably giving himself a hard time on their behalf.

Also, in terms of explaining who could be powerful enough to bring Sam back soulless...this also explains why Castiel "missed" the fact that Christian was a demon.

But yes, what WOULD Crowley get out of winning the war? Is it true that Raphael wants to restart the apocalypse? Maybe Crowley and Castiel both want to prevent that....but then, now that we find out Castiel has been lying so well, can we be sure that Raphael wants to restart the apocalypse? Can we be sure about anything Castiel has told us about the war in heaven?

So many questions that can only be answered by tuning in next week...and May 20th...*biting my nails!*
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borgmama1of5
Apr. 30th, 2011 02:08 pm (UTC)
And the best part - the best part is that because no one take the time to think of something better, they then all HAVE TO CALL THEM THAT for the rest of the episode. I absolutely loved that moment in the police station when Sam realizes that the cops are monsters and he has that moments pause as he tries to worn Cas and Bobby where you just see him thinking "I can't believe I'm going to call them this, but..."

Perfect explanation for what happened--I love how it was such an organic running joke!

Dean's 'bite me' took me all the way back to 'Wendigo' and BAMF Dean baiting the monster with 'white meat'--determined to get the bad guy regardless of cost to himself...

And I am dreading when Dean finds out Cas's secret!
hells_half_acre
Apr. 30th, 2011 08:59 pm (UTC)
*reads quoted section* - Wow, my grammar is horrible in these reviews.

But yes! They did it so well! I was really impressed with how the writers were able to turn that into such a believable running joke - and it really helped to lighten the more serious scenes without the boys having to be goofy or crack jokes - they just needed to say Starships in all seriousness.

I'm REALLY dreading when Dean finds out about Cas's secret. I think it's going to be on par with the betrayal he felt when Sam ditched him for Ruby...or close to it anyway. Maybe S7 will be about Castiel trying to be their friend again? Awwww....
akadougal
Apr. 30th, 2011 02:16 pm (UTC)
Once more, you pretty much say what I think. (ewww Cas/Crowley ewww says the hypocritical slasher)

I like DePowered Cas too. I think that he was the thing that really stood out this episode. It's like I've been waiting for a too long season to see this episode, mind you.
hells_half_acre
Apr. 30th, 2011 09:01 pm (UTC)
Maybe we'll get to see more of it next year...depending how this season ends for Cas - his decisions might end up leading to him being excommunicated again....
khek
Apr. 30th, 2011 03:41 pm (UTC)
I love your summary/reviews!

Since it's been looking more and more like Castiel was turning evil over the course of the season (not wanting Sam to get his soul back, spending time "deep underground", having something to do with the 50,000 extra souls caused by the Titanic, and just his general attitudes) I'm rather relieved that Crowley has shown up--maybe this will give Cas an out. Is it better to be blackmailed by a demon than to do bad things on your own? Maybe not, but it would make me feel better! (Of course, if it's a partnership rather than blackmail, there goes that out. But right now, the chance is still there...)

I loved seeing Mary, even if she wasn't really Mary. And poor Dean, he couldn't even look at her.

I have no idea where they're going with all of this, but I'm ready for a bumpy ride.
hells_half_acre
Apr. 30th, 2011 09:41 pm (UTC)
Well have to wait and see just how much shit Castiel has got himself in...I really hope that he does have an "out" in terms of going darkside.

Yeah, Eve definitely lost points trying to use their mother against them - nothing good every comes of that. Poor Dean.
katsheswims
Apr. 30th, 2011 04:11 pm (UTC)
Well, I missed the episode last night, and I watched it today. I have to say I would not have expected Crowley if my friend who saw it last night didn't say, "So, Crowley...," when I asked it it was good. I still wasn't sure Crowley was alive; I was thinking it was more like something Crowley did before he died was going to be brought to light. When we did find out he was alive I thought maybe he hid a few small bones of his body in a different location, so when Cas burned him it wasn't ALL of him. But NO, Cas was actually working for/with Crowley!

When I saw the two orphan boys I kept thinking of how they were like a young Sam and Dean.

You know it's occurred to me that Dean has killed all(most) the major arc monsters. Azazel-shot by Dean. Ruby-stabbed by Dean. Eve-poisoned by Dean. Lucifer wasn't killed. ANd Crowley apparently isn't dead now. (Though Lilith was killed by Sam, so that one's not Dean's kill.) Some of it was group effort, but Dean was the one that always did the actual kill. Interesting...I like it though.
hells_half_acre
Apr. 30th, 2011 09:49 pm (UTC)
Bah! Boo to friends ruining surprises! Though, at least she didn't ruin it completely...

It's true, Dean really is the one who kills most of the bad guys - except for Lilith, but that didn't really work out in Sam's favour. It IS interesting...it was also interesting that Dean is the only one whose never been possessed by a demon/angel (it used to be that he had never been possessed, but that Khan worm ruined that stat).
dairygirl
Apr. 30th, 2011 04:59 pm (UTC)
Definitely an episode I laughed aloud and spoke back to the television. With the reintroduction of Crowley (and seeing him at the end was only the confirmation), a lot of things seemed clearer to me. How was Grampy Campbell brought back? Castiel. Why is out of my league. I could still see Sam being brought back by Crowley, possibly as a seal-the-deal thing between Castiel and Crowley. Why (and when) the angel and demon hooked up--that will be interesting to learn.

We did get a hint about the souls in the previous episode when Castiel was drained and used Bobby's soul to recharge. And at the beginning of this season, Bobby's soul was still under contract to Crowley so kind of an interesting connection there. I find the analogy of a soul is like a nuclear reactor interesting.

While I knew Castiel was beleaguered in his war, his actions really show he has changed a lot since we first met him. He has always been determined but not always so morally ambiguous. I wonder if there is more to the war in Heaven now...
hells_half_acre
Apr. 30th, 2011 08:34 pm (UTC)
Oh man, yeah, I forgot about Grampa Campbell - who was supposedly ripped from heaven...

I'm very interested to see where this goes to say the least. I have a feeling all those people who were complaining about Sera not tying up lose ends or having sloppy writing are going to discover that everything they thought was a plot-hole/loose-end will actually just have been clues that nothing was what it seemed. (Or maybe that's just wishful thinking, because I'm sick of people complaining about S6).

I think the problem with Castiel is that he always relied on others to tell him what was right and what was wrong - he BEGGED for orders in S4, and in S5 he gave himself a searching-task, but the rest of the time did what Sam and Dean told him to do. I think he's just out of his depth in decisions now - Castiel was a low-ranked angel, and now he's leading a resistance against Raphael? And his second-hand man is an amoral selfish dude? Nothing good can come from that...
lelaro
Apr. 30th, 2011 08:28 pm (UTC)
might have nothing to do with anything at all but i found it interesting that eve's nametag read angela...
hells_half_acre
Apr. 30th, 2011 08:35 pm (UTC)
I noticed that too! I had meant to put it in the review, but I forgot! I wonder what it means...

Also, HELLO! (you haven't been around lately.)
lelaro
Apr. 30th, 2011 09:33 pm (UTC)
Hello! *waves*

other brothers in supernatural don't seem to have a happy ending do they? the only one pair of brothers that seemed to make it alright were those boys from "something wicked" and then i realised that the boys names were micheal and asher... sometimes the coincidences in supernatural are staggering.

apologies, a lot of stuff is happening and sometimes my life and the lives of those around me feel like a bad tv show, no plot just random painful/weird/worrying stuff happening for no apparewnt reason.
hells_half_acre
Apr. 30th, 2011 09:52 pm (UTC)
No need to apologies. I did worry a bit, because I was pretty sure you were in Japan, and you happened to disappear at a very concerning time...but then I saw you comment someplace else, and all was well with the world. (That totally sounds like I stalked you, but I seriously just happened to see your name on another post somewhere).

And yes, Michael and Asher were the only brothers to have a happy ending...and it is somewhat ironic what their names were. It sucks that Dean and Sam couldn't have this victory.
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quickreaver
Apr. 30th, 2011 10:49 pm (UTC)
I think you're really onto something with the "No more monsters?!" theory. If Big Momma is gone, no new critters will be created but they may well continue to reproduce as they normally do ('normal' being entirely relative!) Vewwwwwwy intewesting...
hells_half_acre
Apr. 30th, 2011 10:54 pm (UTC)
Isn't it!!?! I'm really intrigued by that line of thinking, I had. I mean, it makes the monsters that are on earth as finite as any other living creature - in that no new ones will be created and it's just a matter of whether they can reproduce faster than they're being killed by hunters.

Obviously, Hunters will never be completely extinct, because as long as there are humans, there is a danger of vengeful ghosts and demons...but it could be that the Hunting lifestyle may drastically change to ONLY ghosts and demons in the future - and the monster-hunting will cease to be needed.
trystan830
May. 1st, 2011 02:48 am (UTC)
"well, according to some stuff I've heard, I think that that Dean" will be hot in the next three episodes? LOL.

and according to some stuff I've heard, I'm pretty sure i'll be flailing all over the place next week and the 20th.

.... oh wait, i do that ALL the TIME anyway! =)
hells_half_acre
May. 1st, 2011 02:53 am (UTC)
Hahaha, smartass ;)

I think you and I have heard the same rumours! :)
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claudiapriscus
May. 1st, 2011 03:50 am (UTC)
>>Oh guys! I forgot to talk about the bullets! Dean made FIVE phoenix ash bullets! I couldn't help but think "Dean, maybe if you made SMALLER GAUGE BULLETS the ash would STRETCH FURTHER! I mean REALLY?! JUST FIVE CHANCES?!?">>

They're shells...they probably could have mixed more other stuff in as filler, but I'd guess you're stuck in the size of the shell itself, based on your gun.

And maybe it's kind of stubborn optimism, but I just can't bring myself to feel dread over Cas. I'm all "Hey, I bet he's got a good reason." Promo or no promo, I just don't buy a "is cas going darkside??!" storyline. I mean, I could kind of buy it about Sam- Maybe I'm just used to that? Maybe he just sold the hell out of it? But look at how they handled that. He was more stupid than actually evil. And even that just got swept under the carpet, pretty much (and who could resist doing so, after he pulled out the ridiculously pathetic and sad and remorseful puppy eyes? Someone without a soul, IMO.)
hells_half_acre
May. 1st, 2011 03:53 am (UTC)
I still think they could have found a way to make smaller bullets/shells/whathaveyou out of the ash.

I AM concerned for Cas, but I don't think he's going darkside or that he's turned evil or something...I think it's a S4!Sam scenario. He's doing bad things while thinking that it's for the greater good. At the end of it all, Cas will pull out the puppy eyes and we'll all forgive him too...after all, Cas has even bigger puppy eyes than Sam does. ;)
marlowe78
May. 2nd, 2011 12:06 pm (UTC)
I didn't care too much for this episode. Oh, sure, when Mary/Eve turned up, it got sooo much better, and the end made my jaw hit the table. But other than that, I was too sober to enjoy the infantile humor. Oh, I have laughed about Cas appearing behind Dean, but it was choked down the second the crap about "Get out of my ass" came up. It was... man, do they really think we fans need to get it said aloud to GET the joke? That'd be really sad.

Anyway, maybe it was the lack of wine. Next time, I'll try some :-D

I agree with the sentiment that Dean needs to tone down his unfunny jokes. But I liked how Sam said "You hurt his feelings". So cute! And so close to the moment with the bus - the reliance of Dean on Sam's inner moral to stop him being too inappropriate.

Poor Lenore. I was happy to see her back (I loved her accent) and so sad to see her go that way. It looked really painful, I hope it wasn't.

I liked Bobby being all FBI, even though he was dressed like the scrapyard hunter that he is. He really pulled it off.

I thought at once back to "Don't con a con man" with that scene. Bobby sure is a cool cucumber, and "The Gambler" in Weekend at Bobby's was a well-chosen song!

And the best part - the best part is that because no one take the time to think of something better, they then all HAVE TO CALL THEM THAT for the rest of the episode. I absolutely loved that moment in the police station when Sam realizes that the cops are monsters and he has that moments pause as he tries to worn Cas and Bobby where you just see him thinking "I can't believe I'm going to call them this, but..."

Hahahahaha! Absolutely! That was so funny.

Also, Eve morphs into their mother! Older!Mary. Yay! She's cool. (My sister will be pleased when she watches the episode. She has a girl-crush on Samantha Smith.)

Samantha Smith rocked those scenes! She was awesome, and I actually felt her rage and even understood her reasons. To be fair, the other actress wasn't bad, but she couldn't have pulled this scene like Mary Winchester did, simply because she was a doe-eyed virgin. Only other person I could've seen pulling the protective-mother-routine would've been Ellen, but she'd been on the show enough, so I was glad it was Samantha Smith. >Though honestly? Angry, scary Ellen?? Hmmmmmm would've liked to see that.

Also, she tells Cas that she's older than angels (or did she just say she's been around long enough to know how they work?....this is interesting for the debate about whether or not Eve is THE EVE or whether she's someone else entirely)..
Nope, she said she's older than angels. So it's not THE Eve, but an older one.

Seriously - say what you want about Dean - every once in a while, he's a frickin' genius strategist. I

Yes! As much as I enjoy dork-Dean once in a while, I like it when they remind us that no, he's not there to be the comic side-show. He's smart and a hunter, and he sure knows some stuff. (Oh, btw, maybe he only made 5 bullets because of the "mishap" he mentioned? Maybe he spilled a lot?)




marlowe78
May. 2nd, 2011 12:07 pm (UTC)

Have Sam and Dean given an expiration date on the Huntering lifestyle?! Are they like the last of the Dodo Hunters now?!

Oh. Huh. Good question! I don't know, it sounds reasonable. But there would always be some vampire left, wouldn't there? Or... I don't know, really. What about random genetic happening?

THEN THE MOTHER OF ALL DIES, YOU GUYS! SHE DIES! She was only a villain for 7 EPISODES!

*laughs*
She was nothing but a Red Herring, wasn't she? Such a cool distraction. I had gotten annoyed with her role, actually, because I wanted to know more about what Death said to Dean, not about some YED in a white dress. And it turned out to be not a YED-type at all, she wasn't even the real villain, just a side-villain. COOL! I'm so glad I didn't fall into the trap of discontent that had spread over fandom, and still have trust in the writers to surprise us and tie loose ends up. After all, the WRITERS are basically the same, it's just Kripke who was exchanged, right? So why would they suddenly suck?

So, theory time: Castiel had something to do with Sam coming back from Hell soulless. He wasn't upset at Dean for putting the soul back in because it endangered Sam's life. He was angry because he wanted the soul for something else, or he needed soulless Sam for something else...or something.

Interesting. You're the second person I know who thinks that.
I personally thought it was more about not seeing any use in Sam without a soul, or maybe he was scared (I like this one better) that soulless Sam had known stuff about that, or that maybe the SOUL had witnessed some deal in Hell? Maybe?

I believe that Sam's soul is valuable in a certain way, and I'd LOVE if Dean's was as well. I've been disappointed in the value-of-Dean-department, so I'm not holding my breath, but I could imagine that there is a reason beyond friendship that Cas is so fast in answering Dean's calls.


Theories... I'm completely spoiler-free, I don't even watch the previews for next episodes :-D

I'm really not sure. I have this theory that Dean might have to slay Cas, which would be AWESOME to see on screen. Not so awesome for my hero's sanity, though, and not really awesome for Cas.

So I'm hoping more of: ripping out his grace and letting him fall for real.
His plan, as I see it, involves some kind of bomb. A soul-bomb, that would destroy heaven (which would be a reason for Crowley to come along, and for the angels to be pretty much opposed to) and therefor forcing all angels to be human.
THAT would be a great reason for Cas to be all "sssshhhhh, not telling anyone" and would explain his weird collection of associates. Crowley already stated that Hell is too stupid for him and that Earth is much more entertaining, and Balthazar has similar thoughts.

Maybe Castiel s trying to do a Bobby on everyone, double-playing Balty and Crowley in equal measures? Still, I think a bomb made of soul-fuel would be a cool idea, and destroying Heaven? Damn... I hope I'm right, or at least wrong because their idea was even cooler.

There is still the matter of Sam's soul. I don't think Cas would really endanger Sam's soul, simply because he knows how it would affect Dean, and for some reason, he places great value in Dean (or his soul??? After all, he kinda has a claim on it, right? Stamp and all). So maybe it was used as a bargaining chip, with the intend to get it back one day (or maybe with luring Dean to do something so he'd get it back? huh...)

The only "person" I trust right now in this scheme is Death, and his only advise was that Dean should keep digging for the truth (or literally?) and that it's all about the souls (which we know anyway, now)

Man, I'm completely swimming. I'm not really spending much time thinking about reasons. I'm sure, though, that Cas is NOT evil or twisted, that he has a good reason to do what he's doing, and that maybe he's even right in doing them. Apart from, of course, using a demon and using his friends as decoy and bait.

I'm worried, in a very happy way.
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