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Demented'verse: Behind the Scenes Part 1

There's no Vile Violent Vacations chapter today :(

I didn't make my writing quota on the weekend, and I don't want to end up posting something I'm not 100% happy with. It'd be unfair to you guys. So, I decided to give myself an extra weekend to get the next few chapters ready.

Also, it was my birthday yesterday, and I wanted to celebrate! Yay! I had the awesomest birthday ever, and I only hope that it bodes well for the year to come.

Instead of a chapter, I'm sharing with you some "Behind The Scenes" stuff from writing both Damned Demented Demons and Vile Violent Vacations. Basically, you get to see my, um, process? Haha...you may be surprised...

We begin with the actual outline I used for Damned Demented Demons. As you can see, the outline actually starts a good way into the story - that's because up until this point, I didn't have an outline. I suddenly realized that the story was turning out to be much more complicated (not to mention longer) than I originally thought it would be, so I figured an outline would be best.

In making the outline, I figured I had two options for the story - I could end it sooner (A), or I could make it much more complicated (B). In the end, I think I asked the readers, and they said they'd prefer longer (I shouldn't have been surprised). Looking back, I think the story would have been very unsatisfying if I had tried to end it sooner.

As you can see, the outline isn't really, um, detailed. Actually, it even has some stupid ideas that thankfully I decided against. Also, some things that turned out to be fairly major events - Ron and Hermione arriving, for example - are thrown in as options with seemingly no regard for their repurcussions one way or the other on the story.

I can't post the outline that I'm currently using for VVV yet - because of spoilers, but I assure you, it's not much different than this one.

-convo about kids on way to check records (scratch this, do it later - bye to Malfoy?)
-they go check out the records - reflect on harry's thoughts on the patronuses/memories/Sam (Sam had told him that Dean sold his soul for him, but he didn't know it was a deal...)
-malfoy finds out they are hunters
-harry finds out about the forty years in hell?
-demon!phil attacks (B-Sam uses powers, demon!Phil reveals that demons are connected to dementors - dementors serve double purpose, get rid of Winchesters temporarily, lure Harry, but Harry wasn't supposed to save them)
-Harry reads about prophecy existing
-they split up for some reason (help phil? scout for more demons?)...Dean + Malfoy, Harry + Sam
-Dean + Malfoy conversation = wrong side of the war - "wanted to please my father"
-Harry + Sam = Dean went to hell for Sam...Demon blood? B-not our abilities but our choices...reveals about being horcrux.
-Larger scale demon attack. Sam has to use powers.
-Malfoy and Harry erase memories of victims (Muggles from outside + two security)
-Harry contemplates prophecy, Castiel warns against it.
-Harry goes to hall of prophecy - getting Malfoy to distract Dean and Sam - meets up with Castiel while he debates whether to have Dean and Sam come in to get prophecy. Castiel warns against it.
-Call it a night, say bye to Malfoy.
-Go back to S. Carolina to regroup, figure out the dementor/demon connection. Meet up with Deacon who tells them that the dementors started moving North approx. same time they left earlier.
-Dean desides that if demons are after Harry they should stick with him...be ready for trap, depending on dementor movements, now that they know.
-Head up to Boston - driving in Impala, while Harry's team takes broomstick.
-Cas warns at some point that Harry is a seal - the death of a savior (on some new moon or full moon or equinox or something at a certain location/with certain object?)
-(Ron/Hermione come to help?)
-Protect Harry until time has passed that he could be used - demon attacks
-Harry goes home.


In DDD, I don't remember having to delete any huge chunks of writing/dialog. The one time I did delete a whole scene, I not only posted it as a deleted scene, but I also reworked it in later from a different POV. If I DID delete large chunks of writing/dialog, they weren't saved.

While writing VVV, I've taken another approach. Any time I change my mind about something that is already over a paragraph long (or several lines of dialog), I cut it and paste it at the bottom of my working-document. This means that at the end of my document, I have a whole bunch of little snippets. I started doing this mainly because the first couple times I wanted to rewrite, I was worried I would like what I had deleted better than the rewrite - so, I simply saved what I had deleted just in case.

I've never actually reused the deleted bits yet - but I did end up writing a whole scene that I realized would be much better suited to the end of the story rather than the middle - so it's currently sitting on my "cutting room floor" waiting to be rewritten slightly and tacked onto one of the end chapters. I can't post that one, obviously, because it's still to come...but I can show you some alternate versions of some scenes already posted.

You'll notice that the chapter numbers don't match up. Sometimes, especially at the start, I would go to post a chapter and decide that it was too short. I would then combine it with the next chapter and then have to renumber all my chapters.

Also, you'll notice that at least once the final sentence in a deleted segment isn't finished. That is just how they are: The exact moment that I realized that I didn't like where the scene was going captured for prosterity.

Deleted from Chapter 8:

“He had every reason to be angry, Gin” Harry said. “Sam doesn’t seem worried.”

“I think Sam might be too tired to think, let alone worry,” Ginny said.

“Well, if Dean isn’t back when he wakes up, we’ll deal with it then,” Harry said.

“Are you going to tell them about the prophecy?” Ginny asked.

“Yeah, yes...I’ll have to” Harry said.

Deleted from Chapter 9:

She was so caught up in trying to figure out how to phrase her question, that she forgot about the no unnecessary-magic rule that Harry had insisted on, and simply muttered a spell that would heat the food on the plate evenly, and then floated the plate over to the table.

“Do you want a drink too?” Ginny asked, flicking her wand behind her to open one of the cupboards, and then snatching the glass she summoned out of the air on her way to see what they had in the fridge.

“Uh, don’t suppose you have any beer?” Dean answered.

“Firewhiskey, alright?” Ginny asked over her shoulder as she moved to a different cupboard. “If you don’t tell Harry, you can have a glass of his.”

“Sure, whiskey’s fine” Dean answered.

“On the rocks?” Ginny asked. “I love firewhiskey with ice, if you haven’t tried it, you should.”

“Ok,” Dean said.

Ginny actually had a spell for ice cubes, so she just used that. Dropping them into


Sam wasn’t too nervous about teaching the training session the next day. He had led a tutoring group at Stanford, and he knew Hunting better now than he had ever known the material in his pre-law courses. He was a little worried that they were walking into the Ministry of Magic - into a room full of Aurors – when just a year before they had found out that the American Aurors had a standing order to bring them in for questioning. Harry didn’t seem fazed by it all though. Sam knew Harry was powerful figure in the Wizarding World – but then, Sam also knew that people feared him for that very reason. If he acted too much above the law, it would only fuel people’s fears that he may still turn dark. So, yeah, maybe Sam was a little nervous, but it wasn’t about the teaching.

Dean seemed to be on the same page as him. He quizzed Harry about the security set-up at the Ministry, asked whether they could bring weapons in, how many escape routes there were. Apparently a lot of the offices – including Harry’s own – had their own floo connections. Harry seemed to understand why that didn’t settle their nerves though, so they got a crash course on how to use the floo. Harry reassuring them that Muggles could use it without any problems, just that they probably wouldn’t like it.


“Um, guys...I was wondering...” Ron started, and Sam wondered why he suddenly sounded a bit nervous. “...if maybe you could do me a favour tonight?”

“What kind of favour?” Sam asked.

“Uh, you’re going to Malfoy’s right?” Ron asked.

“Yeah,” Dean confirmed.

“Listen, it’s not that I don’t trust him – it’s just that...” Ron said. “I’m not 100% sure he’s not involved somehow.”

“What makes you say that,” Sam asked.

“After the first few ghosts attacks, I went to the library to take out some books on Muggle ghosts and they were already checked out...and...” Ron sighed, “Harry already yelled at me for abusing my authority, but I had them tell me who had the books...and it was Malfoy.”

“So, it’s against the law to look at books?” Dean asked.

“That’s what Harry said,” Ron rolled his eyes, “and before you say it too, he also pointed out that Malfoy works with the Department of Mysteries and there’s no way of telling if it wasn’t related to work...but, I just...it’s MALFOY.”

“And you don’t trust him,” Sam stated.

“I just said it wasn’t that!” Ron declared.

“No, I’m pretty sure you’re telling us that you don’t trust him,” Dean said slowly.

“Nevermind,” Ron muttered. “Just, don’t tell Harry, I mentioned it.”

“Ok,” Sam said.

“You know, for a whole year in school, Harry gave us crap for not believing him when he said something was up with Malfoy – and it turned out he was right and Hermione and I felt horrible for not believing him then,” Ron said, throwing his hands in the air, “and so I thought, you know, Harry *might* just have my back on this – but apparently the lesson we learned wasn’t about Malfoy being a sneaky bugger at all, it was that Harry Potter is never bloody wrong and Ron Weasley should just shut-up and do as he’s told!”

“Ok,” Dean said slowly, “Ron...we’ll keep an eye open tonight, ok? We won’t tell Harry or anything and we’ll keep an eye out for anything strange – or well, stranger than normal for you folks.”

“Really?” Ron asked.

“Yes,” Dean said.

And that's it! I've got two more deleted scenes (so far), but they are from chapters still to come...so, maybe at the end of all this, I'll do another one of these posts and share them along with the outline for VVV - which points out not only the points that get added in at the spur of the moment, but also the things that I had originally planned to do, that haven't been (and probably won't be) done.

For those of you wondering, a standard VVV chapter is 4,000 words. I usually take four days to write one chapter (writing 1000 words each day). If, for some reason, I decide that I have to rewrite a scene (as happened twice this week), it really sets me back...because, sadly, VVV is not how I earn a living, so I have very little time to devote to it.

What really astounds people is the way I wrote DDD. Back in the spring summer of 2009, I had a very slow internet connection. I work from home over the internet most days - the application that I needed for work took about 5 minutes to reload after I performed a task. So, I would keep DDD open on my computer and write during those 5 minute periods. Sadly, these days my internet connection is amazing (and my job is slightly different), so I actually have to wait until the working day is over before I work on my writing.

So, sorry about the no new chapter thing this week! I just want to make sure that when I do get you guys a chapter, that I'm completely happy with it.

We'll return to our regularly scheduled chapter releases next week!! Thanks for understanding! :)

In the meantime, if you guys have any questions about my writing or the way I combined the universes - ask away.


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Oct. 6th, 2010 04:59 pm (UTC)
this is very cool. i just have one simple way for how i write fanfic - i write what the voices tell me. i kid you not. and when they talk to me too. most of my writings are one-shots. if they're broken up in to chapters (like my SN/FF crossover), it's only after-the-fact. i mean, what happens if i'm writing a chapter fic (and the most recent chapter has ended on a cliffhanger), and the voices just stop and never get back to me?

yeah, you can call the men in white coats now. hee!
Oct. 6th, 2010 07:45 pm (UTC)
That's basically what I do to. I have the outline so that I don't go off any tangent that's TOO weird - but overall, I just see what comes naturally for the characters. For instance, in VVV, I really wasn't expecting all the kid scenes. The outline of course also prevents me from running out of writing mojo before the fic is done - so that I don't end on a unresolved cliffhanger and never update again. It gives me an eventual destination - the roads I take to get to that destination can be decided as I make the journey.

In terms of writing chapters - my fic is so long, that I can't just break up the chapters after the fact. Basically, I write until a scene is done, then see how many words I have. If it's less than 4000, I write another scene (and another and another) until I have 4000, then I put in a CHAPTER # and keep writing.

Oct. 6th, 2010 07:46 pm (UTC)
the roads I take to get to that destination can be decided as I make the journey.
oooh, i like this!
Oct. 6th, 2010 07:54 pm (UTC)
Oct. 6th, 2010 07:54 pm (UTC)
Oct. 6th, 2010 05:13 pm (UTC)
Gutted about no chapter this week, but then again, if its between an awesome chapter and a not-quite-so awesome chapter (though have you ever written one? I'm inclined to say no and this is probably why!) I'm totally going for the awesome chapter. :P

And I loved the mini Ron-rant about Harry Potter always being right. :P
Oct. 6th, 2010 07:53 pm (UTC)
No one is more gutted than I am...but yeah, a necessary evil, I'm afraid! I was really cutting it close - and I have a long weekend this weekend, so that gives me more writing time. If I can get far enough ahead, I can start doing fun things like posting twice a week...so just keep that in mind!

I'm probably harder on my own writing than you guys are, so yes, I do believe that I've written non-awesome chapters...but thank you for saying that I haven't :)

Well...maybe not non-awesome...just "could be awesomer" ;)

I loved Ron's rant about Harry always being right too. I think it's sort of a parallel to the Sam-Dean dynamic. So, I was sad that I had to cut it - but I didn't want the Winchesters going to Malfoy's with their suspicions already up.
Oct. 7th, 2010 10:35 am (UTC)
Oooh twice a week posting? Exciting times! :P

You don't think you could rework that part into another chapter do you? I mean, I have no idea whats coming but I'm sure Ron will find another opportunity to rant about Harry being right. It's not out of the realm of possibility. :P And hey, if you like it!

Ooh and that just reminded me, there's an exhibition on in London of pictures of Dante's Inferno (exhibited in tunnels under Waterloo Station) and its called Hell's Half Acre. I thought of you. :P
Oct. 7th, 2010 10:36 am (UTC)
Oh yeah! And Happy Birthday! I knew I was missing something!
Oct. 7th, 2010 04:26 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the birthday wishes!

Sadly, I don't think I can rework it in...due to the plot, Ron isn't really in the story that much in the coming chapters - and when he is, it's not in any context where he would be complaining about Harry.

So, I think it'll just have to remain something that doesn't get woven in. I'll certainly keep it in mind though ;)

Haha, that sounds like a cool exhibit! :)
Oct. 7th, 2010 05:32 pm (UTC)
Aww less Ron makes me sad. :( But still... awesomeness to come!
Oct. 7th, 2010 07:29 pm (UTC)
I know...but if I wrote in everyone, it'd be way too hard to follow a scene. Plus, I want to take the opportunity of them being in Britain to write in other people - like Neville, for instance...and certain angel friends...

So yes, there is still awesomeness to come!
Oct. 7th, 2010 07:47 pm (UTC)
Wayyyy! Neville and Cas! That would be an epic team up if that were ever to happen. :P But yeah, I totally get it. Just, for some reason, Ron was always my favourite.
Oct. 6th, 2010 05:42 pm (UTC)
What surprises is me is how similar your outline is to the ones I did/do - at least for my SG-1/SPN and Dexter crossovers.

This means I can declare it an official process and not, you know, "randomly scribbling down a few cool scenes/conversations, and then connecting the dots." hurrah! ;)
Oct. 6th, 2010 07:57 pm (UTC)
Great minds think alike!...(and fools seldom differ) ;)

I like how just because I do it too, you can declare it an official process! Haha...I'm going to take that as a compliment.

I've only ever two creative writing courses in my life - and neither of them covered what an outline is SUPPOSED to look like. So, yeah, let's declare this an official process, why not! ;)
Oct. 6th, 2010 08:57 pm (UTC)
The Acre-Priscus Process.
Oct. 6th, 2010 09:18 pm (UTC)
We should teach a course!
Oct. 6th, 2010 07:55 pm (UTC)
Happy b-day! And thanks for the updates on the updates. Eagerly awaiting (but now no longer holding my breath!!)
Oct. 6th, 2010 07:58 pm (UTC)
Thank you! And thank you for not asphyxiating yourself! I'd hate to lose a reader ;)
Oct. 6th, 2010 08:30 pm (UTC)
heeeey! first of all: happy birthday!!
i think your outline is pretty organized. you should see mines. theyre completely random facts and words i want to use and ive got many of these phrases: "insert running scene here" or "insert kiss scene here". of course, on another page, ive got the kiss scene which simply consists of a few chosen words i liked for it and thats it. if i read them in a couple of years, not even i would be able to decipher them.
oh, and this?

but apparently the lesson we learned wasn’t about Malfoy being a sneaky bugger at all, it was that Harry Potter is never bloody wrong and Ron Weasley should just shut-up and do as he’s told!

Oct. 6th, 2010 08:55 pm (UTC)
Thank you!

I have outlines like that in my head? I write certain scenes over and over again in my head and can't wait to get at them when I'm actually writing - and it's not like I have the build-up or the resolution - just one image or phrase that I really want to have in the story. I have a strict "don't write things out of order" rule at the moment though - so they have to stay in my head until I actually get to writing that scene.

And thanks for the comment about Ron's deleted scene. I really liked that line too, and was sad to see it go from the main story...poor Ron. It's not easy being friends with Harry Potter :P
Oct. 7th, 2010 12:13 am (UTC)
Happy Birthday!!!

This look into your process is very interesting! Don't worry about not posting the chapter, much rather read it once your comfortable with it!
Oct. 7th, 2010 12:43 am (UTC)
Thank you for the birthday wishes!

And also thank you for understanding about the chapter. Hopefully this will be the one and only time this happens! :)
Oct. 7th, 2010 01:51 am (UTC)
Happy birthday, albeit belated! <3

I'm glad to see that you outline like I do, though I really ought to get back to work on some of my stories. I guess I'm just resting up for Nano... yeah >_> That's it. ;)

Also, I've been waiting to read VVV all in one go, but AHHHHH it is hard to resist!!
Oct. 7th, 2010 02:33 am (UTC)
Haha, especially since my original deadline was October - and now it looks like it won't be finished until November. :P

I'm glad I'm not the only one who outlines like this...I always like to go back after the story is finished and have a good laugh at my outlines. ;)
Oct. 8th, 2010 12:25 pm (UTC)
Happy (belated) Birthday!!
So I have to start with the subject of my subject line and user pic - Happy (slightly belated) Birthday!! Brilliant that you had an awesome day - everyone deserves an awesome day on their birthday ;-)

While obviously I'm sad not to see a VVV update, it's totally understandable that you're not posting if you're not 100% happy with your work yet - it just means that much more exciting next week after the break in the updates! Which, of course, I am very much looking forward to!

And, on the flip side we get an insight into your writing process and a look at deleted scenes - thanks for sharing it with us! Your process seems similar to my essay writing - do a basic not too detailed outline, but then, often as I wrote certain things that I thought wouldn't be long turned longer and others got cut as a result.

Draco seemed to be in it more from your outline (or have I just forgotten how much he was in DDD?).

I think the deleted scene I liked the best was Dean and Ginny - I can understand why it went (partly chapter length I'm assuming?), but I really liked the interaction and Ginny doing what comes naturally in using magic.

The burrow scene was amusing, because it's Ron and the Weasleys/Malfoys feud, which just seems like it's never going to go away. But I can definitely see why you ditched the other two scenes - not that you didn't write them well, just that they aren't needed.

And hee-hee - I can identify with the whole multi-tasking while on a slow internet connection - been there myself! I used to always be doing two things at once when using the old dial-up! ;-) M
Oct. 8th, 2010 04:18 pm (UTC)
Re: Happy (belated) Birthday!!
Thank you for the belated birthday wishes! :)

Yeah, the week off is mainly just so I can get a little bit ahead. I was really cutting it close every week - to the point where I actually screwed up in last week's update and didn't realize until it was posted. It was a minor mistake - but when I'm more chapters ahead in writing, I can catch these things before I release the chapter to you guys.

This outline "process" is also how I used to write essays and presentations in university. My friends thought I was crazy (especially with the loose presentation outlines), but they really helped my presentation skills, because than I was engaging with the audience as I filled in the gaps of the outline - instead of reading from my too detailed notes.

I think the outline adequately reflects Draco's involvement in DDD - the problem is that it doesn't adequately reflect Ron and Hermione's involvement! So, yeah...Draco's time "on screen" is comparatively short compared to theirs, yet they only get one mention in the outline and it's even just posed as a question as to whether I bring them in or not :P

I liked the deleted scene with Ginny, but I thought that the magic-ness of it all really took away from the sobering dramatic conversation they were supposed to have.

But yeah, sometimes I write cool things and I they just aren't needed, or they start taking the plot somewhere I don't want it to go...with the Burrow scene, I felt it was an unnecessary red herring that would actually lessen the dramatic reveal at the Malfoy's rather than heighten it.

Anyway, stay tuned next week! I'll definitely have a chapter up then! :)
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