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Tying the Psychic Kids to the Apocalypse

I've heard some criticism lately about how the Psychic Kids plotline doesn't tie in with what's currently being said about Sam and Dean. Specifically: If it always had to be Sam and Dean, why did Azazel make multiple "special children" and have them battle to the death?

It's a valid criticism. After reading the Companion books, it's really apparent how much of the story is just sort of made up as we go. The writing team does an awesome job of tying everything together to the main plot, but we know that the angel storyline was an invention of the spring of 2008, and that the Trickster really was just a Trickster in his first appearances.

That being said, I'm going to explain how the Psychic Kids DO make sense....

What it hinges on is how much Lucifer's side KNEW. You have to think of it in terms of prophecy. This is how I picture it:

1. There is a prophecy that there will be two siblings - one of which will have demon-blood. One sibling will be Lucifer's vessel, the other will be Michael's. They'll bring about the apocalypse. This is what I picture Lucifer telling Azazel in the convent in 1972 - "You must find me a child. A very special child..."  BUT he can't pinpoint how to find this child.

2. So, the trick is, Azazel didn't know WHICH child. He didn't have a name or gender or place or parentage...so he went about the country (the world? Maybe Luci was able to narrow it down to the continental USA) making deals with potential parents that he either liked the look of, or who were just in the wrong place at the wrong time had the ability to be angel vessels and would pass it on to their children. ( redrikki  pointed this out to me in comments.)

3. Of course, this meant that he ended up with multiple "special children" - how do you tell which one is the right one? Well, if the prophecy is to be fulfilled, and if he lucked out and actually found the correct child, then destiny would favour the survival of that child over the others...so, let's have them battle to the death - whoever is left standing might not be the correct kid, but it'd certainly weed out the kids who DEFINITELY aren't correct.

4. Get that kid to open the gate to Hell so that Lilith can get loose - because eventually she has to be killed.

5. Get that kid to lead a demon army to break the seals, right after you get Alistair to make a righteous man spill blood in hell....John Winchester not working out? No problem, Dean just made a deal, wait a year to get the ball rolling...your victorious special kid refusing to take up the his position as leader of a seal-breaking demon army? Get a demon to infiltrate his personal relationships, gain his trust through false promises, maybe get him hooked on drugs so that his brain gets a bit muddled, convince him that he's helping the world when he's really not and....

6. Bam! Seals are broken, Lucifer rises, and if he were alive Azazel would be kicking back and congratulating himself on a job well done - after all, he did find the right kid after all...he knew there was something off about that Jake guy.

Anyway, that's how I see it all happening. I'm not sure if the writers will ever address the issue, so I just thought I would put my version events out there.

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contrary_lady
Jan. 18th, 2010 09:45 pm (UTC)
That makes total sense to me. :)
hells_half_acre
Jan. 19th, 2010 11:51 pm (UTC)
LOL at your icon! Oh man...

I'm glad it makes sense!
contrary_lady
Jan. 19th, 2010 11:53 pm (UTC)
LOL, Thanks!

Yeah, I wish I had something more intelligent to add, but you've summed it up so nicely. :)
trystan830
Jan. 19th, 2010 07:04 pm (UTC)
your whole huge long post and i have just three words to say:

"that is AWESOME."

totally agree, too. makes a LOT of sense.
hells_half_acre
Jan. 19th, 2010 11:52 pm (UTC)
Thanks!
trystan830
Jan. 20th, 2010 12:11 am (UTC)
welcome!

did you see where we just watched 4x21 and 4x22 yesterday? weeeird!

also, can i link this in my LJ?
hells_half_acre
Jan. 20th, 2010 12:14 am (UTC)
Yes I did see that! Man, such good eps..

And another yes! You can link this on your LJ. I don't mind one bit.
trystan830
Jan. 20th, 2010 12:27 am (UTC)
oh yes!!

awesome, thanks! :D
luthien_af
Jan. 21st, 2010 01:55 pm (UTC)
Makes sense to me :).

(Came here from trystan830.)
hells_half_acre
Jan. 21st, 2010 07:20 pm (UTC)
:-)

I'm glad it makes sense.
luthien_af
Jan. 21st, 2010 09:39 pm (UTC)
I don't really think a lot about this kind of stuff, but when you look at it, almost all of it makes sense in a certain way. The continuity of the story is pretty awesome. Or at least, I think so :). And things like this... It's the same with almost every story, right? Things get watered down, and it's only reasonable to assume it's the same with the one the demons get...
hells_half_acre
Jan. 21st, 2010 10:00 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I don't really think of this kind of stuff either. It wasn't until I heard other people questioning it that I realized that it always just made sense to me - but that it might not for other people. I think the writers have done an amazing job tying everything together really.
redrikki
Jan. 22nd, 2010 02:32 pm (UTC)
Excellent meta. I just have one thing to add; Azazel picked parents that had the can-be-possessed-by-angels gene. It's the only thing that makes sense. How else could they expect to have the winner be a vessel?
hells_half_acre
Jan. 22nd, 2010 04:19 pm (UTC)
Ooo...awesome. I'll add in that little bit of information, thanks!!
liliaeth
Dec. 3rd, 2012 03:58 am (UTC)
Not to mention that having the kids kill one another, means that you take out potential vessels that the other side could have otherwise used as well.
hells_half_acre
Dec. 3rd, 2012 04:03 am (UTC)
Very true!
lucyann_writer
Feb. 10th, 2010 02:31 pm (UTC)
Excellent thought process there. That makes very good sense. I had been wondering how it all could be tied together.
hells_half_acre
Feb. 10th, 2010 07:52 pm (UTC)
Thanks! I do my best :-)
liliaeth
Dec. 3rd, 2012 03:57 am (UTC)
I thought that was obvious?

But I love the way you say it :-)
hells_half_acre
Dec. 3rd, 2012 04:04 am (UTC)
Haha, I thought it was obvious too...apparently some people need things to be a bit more blatant. :P
cappy712
Feb. 9th, 2013 06:53 pm (UTC)
This makes sense and I enjoy reading your ideas -

Question - how does this tie into the fact that so many Demons / creatures were trying to kill Sam? The fact that after the Gate was opened the demons that Sam was supposed to become the leader of were now out to get Sam and try to kill him (and Dean) Malleus Maleficarum?

In Bedtime stories the Crossroad Demon said that there is a new leader rising but she couldn't tell Sam who he was? She didn't say she; she said he... Since Lilthe was still in hell before the gate was opened is it possible that the crossroad's demon that had the deal was Crowley and he was doing Lilthe's bidding while she was "locked up" so to speak?


Then the Demon in Malleus Maleficarum said that the new leader doesn't like you very much sees Sam as a threat.

Jus in Bello ? The Demons there were out to get Sam and Dean - so why?

Then why was it only after the Season 3 finale that we see Sam not being affected by Lilthe's whitelight and again a few times in Season 4 but not all the time; still trying to figure out why some times Sam was not flingable and other times he wasn't. When he encountered Lithe in Season 3 finale he was not yet on the Demon blood so that really couldn't always be the reason - could it be his state of mind too?

Well enough with the questions - just had a few thoughts there especially now thinking of how the MOL tie into the family business.
hells_half_acre
Feb. 9th, 2013 08:53 pm (UTC)
Question - how does this tie into the fact that so many Demons / creatures were trying to kill Sam? The fact that after the Gate was opened the demons that Sam was supposed to become the leader of were now out to get Sam and try to kill him (and Dean) Malleus Maleficarum?

Again, it comes down to "how much do the demons know?" In my opinion, all the demons know is that Sam was supposed to lead a demon army in order to start the apocalypse (or fight in it). They DON'T know the part where Sam is supposed to be Lucifer's vessel. (Remember that the demon Casey said that a lot of demons don't even believe in Lucifer.) So, they're trying to kill him because it's a jockeying for power. Why should they be lead by a stupid human? They should be led by a demon - so if they kill the human, they assume they'll be thanked and promoted for their effort within the ranks.

In Bedtime stories the Crossroad Demon said that there is a new leader rising but she couldn't tell Sam who he was? She didn't say she; she said he... Since Lilthe was still in hell before the gate was opened is it possible that the crossroad's demon that had the deal was Crowley and he was doing Lilthe's bidding while she was "locked up" so to speak?

That's a neat idea! I suppose that is indeed possible. I mean, I know from interviews with the writers that it was just a case of them deciding late in the game that the demon would be Lilith (and therefore female), but I like you explanation!

Especially since the crossroads demon would have reported directly to Crowley, rather than Lilith, since Crowley was King of the Crossroads, but lieutenant to Lilith who actually held the contracts.

Then the Demon in Malleus Maleficarum said that the new leader doesn't like you very much sees Sam as a threat...
Jus in Bello ? The Demons there were out to get Sam and Dean - so why?...
Then why was it only after the Season 3 finale that we see Sam not being affected by Lilthe's whitelight...


I think Lilith didn't want to die. She knew that she was the final seal and she knew the signs of what was coming. I think she had demons try to kill Sam, and then she tried to kill him herself, in the hopes that if Sam were dead, that would mean that Lilith would not be killed in order to free Lucifer. She was clinging to life... same deal with why she tried to bargain one final time with Sam in The Monster At The End of This Book.

And I think she was reduced to bargaining because her white-light didn't work. Before the demon-blood addiction, it wasn't so much Sam, as some external force (or possibly a cosmic rule about Sam) that prevented Lilith from killing Sam herself. This is my theory, anyway. Just like there's a rule that angels need permission to possesses their vessels, so too is there some rule that Lilith can't kill Lucifer's vessel, no matter how hard she tries. I just don't think Lilith realized that until 3x16.

But, I'm pretty sure that Sam was only not-flingable while he was on demon blood, and only then, he had to concentrating, though it's been a while since I've watched S4, so I could be wrong.
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