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Alright, so, let's just be honest right out of the gate:

I hated this episode.

But, I have a rule around here, and it's that you HAVE to find the positive in a thing - and the rules apply to me too. So, yeah... yeah... let's see what I can do here.

We start with Eileen in the first five minutes. Which means that I know, immediately upon seeing her, that she's going to die.

Lovely. And it's not even that she's going to get a hero's death - she's going to get a two-minute teaser death.

We paused here to figure out how Eileen would be able to tell she's being stalked by a hell hound if she couldn't hear them - how would she know where to shoot? My friend laughed at the thought that it was just really stupid writing. I realized on the walk home afterwards, that it wasn't stupid writing, it was CRUEL writing... because of course an invisible monster that you can ONLY hear is what would kill Eileen. So, I suppose my positive here is that the writers were clever in their cruelty.

Did I mention that I've just started taking ASL courses and that two of my closest friends are hard of hearing? Yeah... so, this episode managed to piss me off irrevocably within the first minute.  Fuck it, I have no positives. It's Charlie all over again, but even worse - as though that were possible - and it's the same damn writers (which we'll get to later, but I'm mentioning now.)

Okay, positive: It was really nice to see an old style motel room again. We get so few of those these days, since they don't usually show where the boys are staying in the towns they stay in anymore - we usually only see them at home, or working the case - or just outside a motel but not in it. Anyway, it was nice to see one.

In this case, Sam and Dean check out the motel that Mary was staying in, but it's clear that she hasn't been there in a bit. Dean complains about Mick never getting back to him, and then he calls Ketch to ask about Mary. Ketch gives him a hard time about his tone, and then lies and says Mary hasn't been around for over a week. Sam points out that Mary said she was working a case with him four days ago, so he's lying.

Then Jody calls Sam... and hey, there's another positive. I still love the fact that Sam is Jody's contact, not Dean. I know it's petty Samgirl of me, but I love the fact that Sam has friends, and is perhaps closer friends with Jody than Dean is... though, granted, they can share, since all of Dean's friends are dead now (except Castiel, who is once again MIA, so maybe I shouldn't give Dean such a hard time about hogging all the bonding moments.)

Anyway... Jody calls Sam to tell him about Eileen being dead, and they go look at the body. And, okay, here's another positive: Jared is a good actor. While I was really pissed off about Eileen being dead, and therefore my Saileen ship being sunk, I appreciated that Sam's reaction gave Eileen's death all the weight possible that Jared could give it... Jared did the job of honouring the character in this episode and treating her the way she should have been treated, and I REALLY REALLY appreciate that.

We find out that this is the 2nd Hunter death in a week. Dean argues that it's not a pattern until there's three. Sam points out that their mother is missing. So, we're off to another great start to the rest of the episode. Dean mentions how if she was killed by Hell Hounds, then he knows who they can start their talk with...

and we cut to Crowley, and the storyline that I absolutely hate... okay, not yet, right now, he's just reminding us that he really wants to find Kelly Kline.

Then we cut to a hunter, who comes home with a bloody machete and sticks it in his umbrella stand. Love it. (Though, I want to point out that that's not good knife care - you really need to wipe your blades after using them.)

Mary is waiting in his living room for him. She chats with him, so the audience has it established that Mary and this hunter are friends, and then she kills him. My friend and I wonder if this is a shifter... because we have Mary waking up in prison directly after, but she seems to know what happened... and I start wondering if the shifter-mind-reading flows both ways sometimes... but it's not shifter as we find out... but rather Toni is using her brainwashing-drugging mind-rapey techniques to supplant Mary's will and turn her into a puppet for the BMoL.

Toni teases Mary about her previous false life - pretending to be a housewife with John and her son, when she was the one who invited Azazel into the house in the first place, etc... and May is like "how did you know?" and Toni is like "I have many sources..." and me and my friends are like "uh, the whole story is written down in a series of books - it's not really that mysterious of a source."

But then Toni tells her how John became a revenge seeking drunken neglectful father, and Sam and Dean were basically victims of child abuse... and then teases Mary about "what, your boys didn't tell you?" ... and okay, that's a positive, I suppose? I mean... I WANTED them to address that storyline, I just think they should have addressed it WAY BEFORE NOW. But, uh, better late than never, so that's my positive.

Anyway, the plan is to turn her back into Mary Campbell, hunting-killing-machine.

Then we switch to Dr. Hess, who is visited by Crowley - at first I thought that maybe the Winchesters had already gotten in touch, since that would MAKE SENSE CHRONOLOGICALLY, but nope... so, this is just clunky writing.. but uh, positives... so, a positive here is that we learn that BMoL are even dirtier than we already know them to be, because the "deal" they have with Crowley in Britain is that he's still able to buy souls. The BMoL basically let him have anyone "foolish enough" to make a deal... which is very much opposite of Sam and Dean's philosophy where they try their best to save people from themselves too.

Dr. Hess also warns Crowley that his relationship with the Winchesters is too cozy and she's not going to spare them for his sake, or whatever. Which just basically tells me that Crowley is going to end up saving them again.

Then we cut to Lucifer, which is a storyline I REALLY HATE folks... so, ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I don't even want to talk about it. Anyway, he's still chained up, and the positive here is that the demon who is helping him is handsome. I hope that actor has a good career and we see him again.

It's THEN that Crowley returns while still on the phone with the Winchesters... so, NOW they're making the call, even though they mentioned it ages ago. Okay. Anyway... Crowley comes in just to reiterate the plot. So, uh, nice of him to do that - I had totally forgotten what the plot was in the ten minutes between the Then and this scene, even though I've been watching the show all season like anybody who watches the show would be. I mean, seriously? Are there any people who walk in on the 21st episode of the show and sit there being like "I'm so confused, what's going on?" and would their confusion even be answered by Crowley's speech? NO, because they don't know who Dagon and Castiel are either, because they've apparently not been watching the show. This scene is PURELY to fill in time, because these writers can ONLY do exposition and pointless angering death, so why not also do pointless exposition to fill in those 42 minutes. UGGGGGGGGGGGGHhhhhhh. Uh... anyway, that Draxel demon is still a cutie and he was hiding behind the door for that whole scene with his face scrunched up, haha, adorable.

Back to Mary... who is being drugged. So, back to Toni who is bragging about drugging Mary... for no reason. It's even pointed out that it's pointless exposition by Ketch.

Then Dr. Hess hints that Ketch could get Mick's job, but that Toni is his competition for it. It's the classic make your underlings compete with each other so that they can't rise up and kill you move.

Back to Dean and Sam, who are checking their mail... and apparently Eileen wrote them a letter, because she had figured out that the BMoL had bugged her phone. And she had wanted to come hide out with them for a few days. That'd been nice.

This leads Sam and Dean to go back tot he bunker and check for bugs... for some reason, Sam checks the telescope before either of them think to check underneath a table.

But, they find the mic, so that works.

They then set up a fake conversation where they're going to meet up with a buddy to discuss the hunter deaths. They do this while still crouched down next to the mic.. which, yeah, I get that you want to make sure they hear you - but if your voices are suddenly louder than normal - wouldn't that be suspicious? At least just stand up and have the conversation.

Back to Lucifer, because my torment is incomplete. We find out that the spell that keeps Lucifer bound is reversing, so that Lucifer is gaining control and Crowley's vessel is the one that is bound. Because of course. And of course it's with no explanation either.

Back to Ketch. I wrote "can't tell" here and I have no memory why.

Anyway, he goes to see Mary. She says "I didn't think you'd come" which prompts this conversation with me and my friends (Kathleen and Simon):
Mary: "I didn't think you'd come."
K: "That's what she said!"
*laugh*
S: ".... that IS what she said."
*laugh harder*

Mary explains why she's so pissed off... she believed in what they were doing, trying to get a world without monsters. Ketch keeps distancing himself from her, reminding her that she didn't want a relationship with him and whatnot ... Mary gets close enough to pull his gun and tries to kill herself, but he stops her. She pleads with him to shoot her, because she's putting her sons in danger, and losing her will.

Then I start wondering whether she still has the power to summon Billie, since Billie told her that she'd kill her anytime she wanted... but then I remembered that Billie was dead, so that sucked double for me.

But, the positive here is that Sam Smith does a good job. Mary's been mostly emotionless for this whole season, because Samantha hasn't had that much to work with besides "Mary is confused about being alive and estranged from her sons, so is throwing herself into hunting, because mal-adaptive emotional responses are apparently genetic in this family."

Sam and Dean successfully capture Toni at their fake rendezvous with Larry.

Oh hey, there's another positive: I bet Larry Maldive (oh whatever the name they gave was) is a code word they use for a particular set-up. I love stuff like that.

Back to Crowley and Lucifer (of course) where we see Lucifer take control. The positive here is that Mark Sheppard is really fantastic at playing someone who doesn't realize that he's making funny faces even though he is.

Toni totally confesses to killing Eileen (or at least the BMoL doing it) in the car on the way, and yet Sam doesn't shoot her. Though, I do realize that they need her to try to find Mary (though, doesn't Sam know exactly where their base is? Why did they not just take the fight to them?)

Uh, positives positives... for this entire scene, I kept thinking of that movie... was it Pulp Fiction? Where the guy is sitting in the front seat with a gun trained on the dude in the backseat, and then the driver goes over a pothole and the gun goes off, and the guy's brains get blown out... and yeah, that was a nice scenario to run in my head.

But, what actually happens is that Toni tells them what's going on with Mary, so they know, and then she teases them about Mary sleeping with Ketch, to piss them off - because apparently we didn't already hate these people enough? Like, seriously, stop overwriting your villains. RAR.

She also tells them that Mick's dead because he was too sentimental, and that the BMoL plan to kill all their friends including Jody and Claire.

Uh, positive....positive... always nice to be in the Impala! What a great car!

We need that positive, because it's back to Lucifer and Crowley now.

Crowley tries to run, but fails. Lucifer goes to kill Crowley, but he turns around at one point and Crowley sees a rat, and then when Lucifer stabs him with the angel blade, Crowley's meatsuit SUSPICIOUSLY does not go flashy-flashy... so, Crowley's vessel is possibly toast, but Crowley himself is fine and inside of a rat.

The boys take Toni to the bunker, where Ketch and some BMoL are lying in wait... there's a cool sequence where Sam and Dean briefly get the upperhand... also, Dean gets an awesome headshot on a guy wearing full bodyarmour (but obviously not a helmet - idiot).

But then Ketch brings in his secret weapon, which is a brainwashed Mary - who holds the boys at gun point and allows Ketch to escape. Before he goes, Ketch tells him his elaborate death-plan for them - which is apparently that he's rejigged the locks so that the Bunker is locked from the outside, he's cut off their water, and reversed the airpumps so that the air goes out instead of in... so that they'll die of dehydration and suffocation within two days.

This is where me and my friends have to pause the episode to look at each other and say "HE HAS MULTIPLE GUNS AIMED AT THEIR HEADS!" "WHAT IS THIS JAMES BOND VILLAIN CRAP?!" "THIS IS THE STUPIDEST PLAN THAT EVER STUPIDED." Like, COME ON WRITERS. At the very least, they could have come up with a REASON for the elaborate plan... like Mary's conditioning would break if she actually hurt them... or, they could still save it if Ketch was secretly HELPING them... if we find that out next episode, then cool, that's fine... then this elaborate death-plan will be vindicated. Until then though, MY GOD.

Uh, anyway, Ketch locks Toni in with them, because apparently he doesn't want to just shoot her in the head either, for some reason. Someone should though. Sam should. If I were writing this, Sam would totally just shot her in the head. His questionable morality in the action can be a soul-searching character plot-point.

Then Ketch and Mary drive away and Ketch tells Mary that it gets easier to hurt people that you don't remember loving. So, that's nice.

And then we get Lucifer standing in front of some bad CGI, because I guess it was raining and miserable in Vancouver that day so they couldn't actually go outside... or maybe our vistas are just too vancouver-y.

And thus the episode ends.

I need more positive things: Uh, Jared can act... that fight scene was cool. Crowley's in a rat and I kind of like it when Crowley switches up vessels. Uh... Jody is still alive. I don't know. My main positive is that the episode is over, to be truthful.

My prediction for the finale is that Mary will die (because that'll piss me off) and Lucifer will announce himself as the big bad for S13 (because that will also piss me off).

I don't know if this means the Mark Sheppard vessel is toast, or if Crowley can resurrect it again... or if the rat is just waiting for them to toss the vessel outside so it can get back into it and heal it up and wear it again... probably that. Though, I think if I were writing the next episode, I'd have Crowley infiltrate the bunker as a rat - possess Toni, and wear her for the a bit before killing her.. THEN he can go back to his old vessel.

So, yeah... uh, that's angry me. I'm sorry if I did a really bad job of following my own rule. Nevertheless, please try to follow the rule when you comment - though, misery loves company, so feel free to complain too.




This entry was originally posted at http://hells-half-acre.dreamwidth.org/539148.html.

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liliaeth
May. 12th, 2017 05:26 pm (UTC)

Pretty much agreed with you.


Uhm positive...the fight scene in the bunker was pretty cool.


I'm going to have to admit that I utterly hate what they've done with the BMOL this season. They took what could have been a fascinating plot and ruined it by making them plain out evil.


At this point there are two things that could save the MOL as a plotline. (Not to mention Henry Winchester's membership of the organisation )


1. Make dr Hess a demon, or at least soulless. Literally that is. Make her an intended part of Abbadon's plan, or an ally of hers.
Make it so she infiltrated the MOL to corrupt them.


This is actually supported in that the kid Mick was made to kill didn't behave like he expected to have to kill his best friend. In contrary, his first reaction was for Mick and him to make a run for it. If this was normal, wouldn't his parents have prepared him for it?


With Hess having turned the leadership, bringing in kids like Mick with no idea of the organisation's history, it would be easy for her to slowly turn the MOL evil.


2. Have it turn out that Ketch was brainwashed like Mary was, and show him starting to fight his brainwashing. And have that be the reason he didn't just shoot them and Toni.

hells_half_acre
May. 12th, 2017 11:27 pm (UTC)
I completely agree with your two points that would save the storyline. That's partially what I was hoping for when Crowley showed up in Dr. Hess's office.

But... yeah, I'm not getting my hopes up. I think this season will just suck, save a few stand-alone episodes that were good.
liliaeth
May. 13th, 2017 01:03 am (UTC)
Another thing I'd do in the finale, is have it turn out that Ketch is either the grown up version of the friend Mick was made to kill . So the loser of the fight isn't wasted, but is instead ressurected and brainwashed into heartlessness and obedience. (Based on the seeming eff3ctiveness of the brainwashing, I also kept wondering why they didn't just use it on the hunters, and esp on the Winchesters.)

Welk that and/or he's the father of Toni's son.

Edited at 2017-05-13 01:05 am (UTC)
hells_half_acre
May. 13th, 2017 01:22 am (UTC)
Oh man... they definitely need to make him the father of Toni's son if they're going to have ANY reason for giving her a son in the first place.

Or both scenarios.

But yeah... rar. We'll see I guess. I think you and I would make a much better writing team that the one that wrote this episode - and I say that knowing full well that you and I usually disagree a lot.
liliaeth
May. 13th, 2017 05:58 am (UTC)
It's the Chekov's gun thing. You can't bring up that the character has a son, when it adds nothing to her character. Same with the flashback scene. It added nothing to the season, since they killed Mick, before it could even come to matter.

But if you bring both of those back to Ketch, and use it to finally give us some more understanding of the guy, and flesh him out beyond being the arrogant psychopath, then they might work.

Honestly, I think he two of us could actually work together pretty well, exactly because we have different opinions on so many things (the chars in specific)

It's one of the main issues with BuckLemming, in that you'd think that after 12 years of fandom continuously hating these two writers, and pretty much every single ep they've written ending up on most people's least liked lists, that someone would have figured to at the very least break them up as a duo, and see if their scripts are liked better when they're put together with another writer. You know, someone who goes in against their flaws, instead of making them worse. (also, hasn't anyone figured out yet, that it's a really bad idea to let them kill any secondary characters, not just because fandom hates losing their faves, but because they tend to do it in such a way that it's insulting to the char getting killed)
hells_half_acre
May. 13th, 2017 06:16 am (UTC)
I agree about us being good together BECAUSE we disagree on certain things (especially the chars).

And also everything you said about Chekov's gun.

And ALSO about how it's ridiculous that no showrunner has ever thought to break up that duo or fire them or restrict their reach/content. I hate to be this person, because it sounds like the most sexist thing I can say - but I honestly believe it's because Lemming is Singer's wife. I think Singer just backs her everytime and no showrunner has had the spine to go against Singer. I think if they weren't married, then we wouldn't be having this conversation, because Lemming and/or Buckner would have been fired long ago (or at least been corralled.)

Which is another reason why I'm super pessimistic about us EVER getting rid of them. It'll be the final season of the show ever and BuckLemming are STILL going to be f*cking up the second to last episode on us and taking the lazy way out of every single writing situation.
liliaeth
May. 13th, 2017 06:18 am (UTC)
But you'd think that if Singer likes his wife, that he'd do her the favor of getting rid of her partner, pair her up with a more well liked writer, and hope for the best. He, nor the showrunners, are doing her any favors by leaving this duo together.
hells_half_acre
May. 13th, 2017 06:33 am (UTC)
Yeah, in which case, they're all just too stupid to realize how bad the pairing is, or their writing is. My guess is that she and Buckner like writing together, Singer doesn't have any taste in writing and doesn't know any better, and no one is going to mention anything to the boss man...

...and Singer obviously doesn't read fan reviews or seemly care that it's quite clear his wife and her writing partner suck.

Who knows. All I know is that if nothing has changed so far, it's unlikely to... and I don't see any other excuse besides a mix of nepotism, stupidity, and spinelessness.
liliaeth
May. 13th, 2017 06:49 am (UTC)
Except that for her, this means that she'll have little to no chances of employment, aside of things her husband is involved with, once spn is over.

And no matter how much the guy running the CW likes spn, the show is not going to last forever.

Because other showrunners will notice those fan reviews, and critics reviews. They will notice her name among the least liked writers list. And they will notice the twitter hastag currently going around of #firebucklemming



Edited at 2017-05-13 06:51 am (UTC)
hells_half_acre
May. 13th, 2017 06:08 pm (UTC)
I don't think that's a concern, as they're all at retirement age. I think they just plan to have SPN be their last show.
ramblin_rosie
May. 14th, 2017 07:21 am (UTC)
Singer doesn't have any taste in writing

Driving by to note that RoboSam was Singer's idea, according to Sera, so he seems to be one of the chief culprits of the "Ooh, what happens if we push THIS button?" trend in the writing since Kripke left. (And that's one of the reasons I quit watching, so tough to come up with a positive for stuff I haven't seen--but apparently the Js' ability to shine despite bad writing remains undiminished, which is a credit to them.)
hells_half_acre
May. 14th, 2017 08:21 am (UTC)
I don't mind the ideas, it's just the execution. Like - fine, push the button, but you better damn well explore what comes out of it.

Supernatural is a good show S1-S5, and then after that it's really about individual episodes that are good.

But yes, the Js forever remain a bright shining positive about the show. And I'll continue to watch to see their talent shine through, bad writing, or random actually good episode.


amberdreams
May. 12th, 2017 08:25 pm (UTC)
Yeah, pretty much - I don't hate the Lucifer scenes, I'm just bored with Crowley and Lucifer and the demons who aren't very demonic any more (and in fact are hard to tell apart from the boring angels in their suits). The only demon who felt like a rounded, scary amoral character recently was Dagon, and they bumped her off.

But I loved Sam's reaction to Eileen's death (which flipping sucked btw), Jared really nailed that sorrow. I'm pissed not only that they killed her, but like you say, the way they killed her not even giving her any real weight, like she was just one of those throwaway characters that get bumped off by the monster of the week.

Now you've pointed out who wrote it, a lot of the crappiness makes sense.
hells_half_acre
May. 12th, 2017 11:29 pm (UTC)
Oh yeah, I forgot to write that conversation into my write-up, but basically midway through the episode, one of my friends was like "WAIT! Who wrote this? I think I know exactly who wrote this." And we paused and I looked it up...and he was right, of course.

I agree about the demons feeling too much like the angels now.

But yeah, Jared was fantastic with Sam's reaction to the death. He did a great job in doing the job the writers didn't.
liliaeth
May. 13th, 2017 06:15 am (UTC)
I think that for me it's well... pellegrino was fine as Lucifer in s5, and I even liked him as a hallucination in s7, but damn it, he's just gotten boring by now. It's like the actor knows his storyline sucks.

And when you're a fan of the show Lucifer like I am,well... I can't help compare him to Tom Ellis' Lucifer, who's just a way more charismatic and full fledged character than Pellegrino's is. (though that's not Marc's fault, since on spn, he's just playing the villain, while Ellis gets to play the main char)
rovallie5
May. 13th, 2017 01:20 am (UTC)
Pretty much you expressed my feelings...seriously, within the first umm five minutes I thought "hell no, this episode is gonna be a wreck", then when I found out who wrote it, I was no wrong.

As the finale is approaching, I'm trying to analize this season, and the word that comes to my mind is "mess". You have two main plotline that are still unconnected, one of them is repetitive but just in a whole new bigger level, Lucifer and his child; and the other could have been interesting, but no, BMOL are simply cruel people who hate american hunters, and think are superior. Mick was the exception though,so he had to be killed.

Following your idea, something positive I could say is I enjoyed Jared and Jensen acting, not only in this episode, but during the season, those guys are improving. Umm sorry still I need to process what I watched last night...
hells_half_acre
May. 13th, 2017 01:54 am (UTC)
Agreed agreed. I found the BMoL interesting when there was Mick around to watch as he slowly (or quickly) came over to Sam and Dean's side of things. But yeah, then they killed him, so where's the fun now?

But yes, Jared and Jensen continue to do a really good job. I think this year with both of them having babies, it's also been a little bit "light" on the Winchesters at times, which would be fine if the other storylines were stronger, but they just aren't.

I turned my positive into a negative there. :P
rovallie5
May. 13th, 2017 08:03 pm (UTC)
Oh sorry you feel negative again, let me try something to cheer you up; yeah J2 had their babies, and because of it we had fewer scenes of them, but hey they're wonderful dads. And everytime they're on screen is awesome.

Yeah, going back to the BMol, now we deal with a bunch of psych killers, beginning with ketch. Sorry to bring that negative topic...umm the actor does a good villain lol
khek
May. 13th, 2017 02:29 am (UTC)
I wonder how far out they plotted this season, or if they were kind of like "Oh, let's just write and see where it takes us?" I guess that might be brave, but considering the result...

One of my coworkers kind of watched intermittently this season, mostly because he didn't like the baby storyline. (And he doesn't like the long elaborate stories) He came to ask me what was going on...he was so confused! He didn't even know what the "before" segment meant. He was all "Where's the baby? What happened to the demon? Why didn't the spell work on Crowley? How did the British guys get so much power? Why is their mother working with them? Where's the angel?" So many questions, and I really didn't have any good answers. So their repetition wasn't too successful at catching up the non-viewers either.

During the shootout at the bunker, all I could keep thinking was "They have no problem shooting the minions! JUST SHOOT THE MONOLOGING VILLAINS TOO!!!" It's a classic mistake that I just don't think Sam and Dean would make. (These particular writers though..? Yup.)

My positive is that the season will soon be over, and we can move on to season 13. Lucky 13! I think it will be amazing. (I hope so, anyway.)
hells_half_acre
May. 13th, 2017 02:39 am (UTC)
Yeah, to me it really "reads" like they're writing as they go with no outline.

And yeah, that was kind of my point with the repetition - it's absolutely pointless, because the only people who will understand what is going on will be people who watch regularly, and THEY don't need the repetition - so it becomes obvious that it's in there just to fill time, because they couldn't think of an actual worthwhile scene to have instead.

I can buy that Sam and Dean wanted to keep Ketch and/or Toni alive in order to find Mary, but A)they didn't need both, and B)Once Mary was there, they should have just popped them off. Yes, Mary may have shot them, but honestly, just shoot her hand or something. She'll forgive you.

But yes, that's a good positive - it'll all soon before and maybe the writers will stumble into a plot that actually works. *rolls eyes*
borgmama1of5
May. 13th, 2017 03:55 am (UTC)
Sam and Dean and everything connected with them and Eileen...

Sam and Dean being instantly in sync concocting the fake dialog in front of the BMoL listening device...

Sam and Dean totally outsmarting the BMoL team trying to capture them at the warehouse...

Sam and Dean capturing Lady Bevell--especially Sam's look as he stepped on her gun and she looked up at him!...

The fight between the BMoL and the boys in the bunker...

Sam and Dean's (Dean's!!!) expressions when Mary turned out to be on the wrong side...

There's your list of good points in the episode.

You're welcome :)
hells_half_acre
May. 13th, 2017 04:23 am (UTC)
Thank you!!

You are a ray of positivity that I desperately needed. I have not been having a good week. :P

Those are all awesome things that I enjoyed very much!! :D
madebyme_x
May. 15th, 2017 11:22 am (UTC)
I'm with you, I really am. But on the positive side I do like the idea of the boys being trapped inside the bunker (lets forget the reasons why, because well, lets just forget that). I think after seeing the boys carve their names into the desk, make it feel like their home, and now seeing it trying to kill them is interesting and has potential.

I think we all feared that Eileen's death was coming, but I was hoping for emotion and drama than we got. But like you say Jared saved it with acting, as he didn't have many words to go on. I liked how after he was on the phone to Jody, I think he tuned his bad to Dean, like he needed a second to reign it in. Honestly we could have had less explosion and a few from words on her death. But on the positives, I think Jody and Donna are still alive.

This may sound harsh but I was hoping that Crowley was dead (but he is totally in that rat!) because I feel like we need to shake things up going into next season. Get some new characters, some new blood. Really, they should have killed Crowley and left Eileen alive.

Like you said, I loved Mary here, especially in two scenes with Ketch; one where she had her will, and one where she didn't. I loved the scene where she was begging him to kill her and letting us see a different side of her; the desperation, and the need to protect her boys. Show gets A+ for that.

I'm trying to hold back my expectations going forward, but I'm glad we get these last two back to back. I really hope Mary doesn't die as I really want to see more from her; I want to see her talk to her boys about John, I want to see her talk to Sam about the deal, I want to hear some stories from when they were little kids. I want some family stuff. You know, what the heart of the show is supposed to be...

Thank you for trying to steer this on the positive side, I appreciate it :)
hells_half_acre
May. 16th, 2017 01:50 am (UTC)
Yeah, they better not kill Jody and Donna. Blah, I don't think I'll ever be over Eileen though... she's another Charlie in my books - gone too soon and without given the end she deserved.

I too am growing tired of Crowley - and I love Mark Sheppard - but I feel like it's becoming more and more apparent that they're just trying to keep him around, but don't actually have a storyline for him that's good enough to justify it.

I'm glad we get the next two back to back too. I also hope nothing happens to Mary, but I'm expecting the worst (maybe that way I'll be pleasantly surprised?)

I want to see all the things that you want to see though - I don't feel like it's fair if they take her before they actually get to have a real conversation about the reality of their childhood... like you said, "some family stuff."

We'll see though, even if it's all a disaster, there's always fanfic! The show gives us plenty ideas that we can write canon-divergent AUs from ;)
kailita
May. 16th, 2017 08:04 pm (UTC)
Wow. That was just...ugh.

Sam and Dean both seemed so passive, even in the fight scenes, because they're not being given the opportunity to make any real CHOICES. That was my problem with the end of season 11 as well. Where is their agency? They're not even driving their own plot. It's a real flaw with the structure of the season as a whole.

Also...I would just like to restate a previous comment where I raised an eyebrow at a random teenage girl being able to put off a hellhound with a freaking cooler, or whatever it was. Stuff like that completely undermines moments like this, where TRAINED HUNTERS like Eileen are being taken out by hellhounds. That sucked.
hells_half_acre
May. 16th, 2017 08:14 pm (UTC)
Completely agree about Sam and Dean's legacy.

And, while I see your point about the teenager with the cooler, versus the hell hound - I do think that you understood that she would have immediately died had Sam not been there.

But yeah... I understand your view on it too, and can completely agree how it undermines this death.

RAR. But yeah, the passivity is a HUGE problem.

Ugh.

I think I'll just ignore that Eileen ever died, and stick my fingers in my ears and hum really loud. They didn't NEED her death - they could have used Randy's or whoever that guy was that Mary killed. If they're going to treat the death as nearly meaningless anyway (Jared was the only one who put gravity to it) then they should have just introduced a character to be killed - like they did with Dean when he "let" that Hunter get killed by the vampires when he had the MoC.

Anyway, yeah... I'll try to stop ranting now, and go back to humming really loud.
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