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We're BACK! YAY!

I have had four glasses of wine, there's a rainstorm outside and winter (ie: 6 months of perpetual darkness and gloom) is fast upon us... which means that it's Supernatural time!!

Usual disclaimer: I've been drinking. I took rough notes, but really only to remember scene order and timeline info - I'm going to inevitably get things a little bit wrong, none of my quotes are meant to be exact... please don't correct me unless I specifically ask you to or I've gotten a crucial character/plot point wrong, otherwise we'll be here all day.

Let's talk about this fine beginning to the Andrew Dabb era of SPN...

It's a short THEN segment with minimal talking, which I rather like. You don't really need that much backstory, when all is said and done.

And then we launch right into where we left off - with Dean finding Mary in the park. I love the repeat of the hand slowly reaching out here... we see it first by Dean... which Mary then uses to her advantage to subdue him and demand answers. She claims he can't be her Dean, because her Dean is 4 years old... he tells her that he was when she died... and then goes on to lay a WHOLE BUNCH of timeline facts on me! My goodness. Also, we find out that Mary's middle name is Sandra, making her (so far) the only Winchester with a confirmed middle name. (Sam and Dean don't seem to have any, if their police records are anything to go off of, but personally I like the idea of Samuel John Winchester and Dean Marion Winchester, but I'm weird like that.)

Anyway, as I frantically write down timeline facts, Mary realizes that Dean has to be telling the truth, and she's been gone 33 years (*cough*35*cough*). And if we do THAT math, using the numbers the show gives us, it makes Mary now younger than both Sam AND Dean (being 33 and 37, respectively.... or 35 and 39.) So, Mary is actually now the youngest living member of the Winchester family, even though she's their mother. So, that's a headtrip. Of course, Samantha Smith doesn't really LOOK 29, though that's arguable, I suppose. She looks fantastic, no matter what age she is.

Then Mary reaches for Dean in a mirror shot, and we get a hug, though now it's Dean turn to be like a little blown away by it all.

Cut to truck guy, who sees something fall from the sky - that something is CAS! And we finally get to see what it's like on the other side of an angel banishing... he landed only 3 hours away, which isn't that bad. But then he just STEAL THE TRUCK! And he leaves the poor dude lying in the road IN THE DARK. That's not buddies, Cas.

Back to Dean and Mary - the sun is rising and Mary is finding out how John died for Dean. It's sad times, because man, in her mind, she just died... so, now John has JUST DIED. It's like going to sleep one night and waking up to find your husband is dead and your kids are adults... and in your most hated career path too. Anyway - Mary doesn't remember Dean's time-travel times (not even the first one, so that answers that question) and she doesn't remember being a ghost - and she's a little blown away by the fact that God's Sister brought her back.

Then Dean calls her "Mom" and all I have written in my notes is "Awwww" so, that's how I felt about that.

Back to the UKMoL who recruit a veternarian to extract the bullet from Sam's leg and sedate him. Sam was shot with a 38 calibre bullet, btw - I have a habit of writing down all numbers I hear, even though they don't correspond to timeline stuff.

Meanwhile, Crowley is following some demons around - one of which ones possessed a 14 year old, but couldn't take the 14 year-old girl problems. I kinda of like him, which means he'll eventually die, of course.

UKMoL make a phone call... oh! She's on the phone to her daughter/kid, I remember. Sam's tied up in a celler... a rather nice celler, which I had a celler like that.

It's interrogation time! Sam is not impressed... also UKMoL is coming at this ENTIRELY assbackwards... like, way to make the exact WORST first impression. We find out that the UKMoL has been watching Sam and Dean Winchester for years, ever since the S4/S5. Sam asks them why they didn't help, and UKMoL DOES actually sound like she wanted to, but the brass wouldn't let her because they're as handsoff as possible.

"took his shoes!" - that's what my notes say... for some reason, you can tie Sammy to a chair, and I'll shrug, but I get offended when you leave his poor footsies bare.

Then Sam has that excellent line of "I was tortured by the devil himself...[...]...what can you do to me?" Hahah, WEEP UKMoL. I also liked his line earlier about wanting to know how far he'd have to walk into town after he killed them. Sam's a badass.

Their first torture technique is to torture him with coldness. :( Poor cold barefoot Sammy.

Back to Dean and Mary... Dean takes Mary back to the Bunker, and we find out that in Hunter society back in the 60s/70s, the Men of Letters were thought to be a myth. Also, Mary has new clothes! I guess they stopped at a thrift store.

Mary and Dean spot the blood, and Dean spots the angel-banishing sigil... and he goes searching the rest of the bunker after handing Mary a gun. (I do love that Dean knows Mary can handle herself and he doesn't coddle her at all...or much, anyway, she's still his mum.)

Then Cas shows up! And we get a Dean-Cas hug! Awww... then Cas gets to meet Mary, which is only slightly awkward, as Cas meeting anyone is... but I also like how Mary watches them hug and everything and is clearly assessing who Cas is to Dean (and I don't mean that in romantic way necessarily, I just mean in general, considering all possibilities.)

We find out that Sam was abducted at 2:12am.

And Mary sees a modern computer, and we find out that Cas doesn't trust them. But Dean uses it to track the car with Sam as it leave town, so that the can follow it.

Then Mary sees the Impala, and I LOVE this moment. Previously, we've seen Mary's first reaction to the car - ("I hate it".. though that might have been a deleted scene)... and now we get to see that she grew to love it just as much as the rest of them. And I love when she's looking at the inside and CLEARLY remembering sexy times, and Dean is realizes. HAHAHA... my friend at that point was like: "you were conceived in this car..." - but he TOTALLY WAS, no joke. He had to have been. I bet they both were.

Poor Sam is very cold, but not breaking. UKMoL goes on about how Sam's bad at his job, and she explains how they do it in the UK - how they have the whole of Great Britain warded so that the minute a supernatural creature sets foot on the soil, they know, and within a few hours they've sent a team to kill it. But DUDE, that's just straight up murdering without assessment... like, execution without trial or jury... Sam and Dean both ran into situations early on where that clearly wasn't the way to hunt... and also what about angels? Do the wards work on them too? Do they kill them? Do they have angel blades? I doubt it. In anycase, bad news bears.

Then I had to laugh, because she explains her plan that she wants to "teach" the hunters of America the same system so that they aren't as chaotic and stop accidentally breaking the world... but she asks Sam for names and deaddrops and "the organizational hierarchy"!! ORGANIZATIONAL HIERARCHY?!?! Do they not do any research in all their watching of Sam and Dean?!!? It's the mythological wild west in the US when it comes to the supernatural and hunters - there IS no hierarchy, just a loose network that bends and changes with shifting loyalties, life-debts, and special interests. You'd have better luck finding the organizational hierarchy in a ladybug infestation.

So, obviously that doesn't work, because Sam is like "you want to help? How do I know you're not going to torture whoever I name and tie them to a chair LIKE YOU DID TO ME?!" I mean GEEZ, lady. So, her torture assistent moves onto fire torture - on his POOR BARE FOOTSIES! Noooooooo.....

Back to the demons, who keep hoping they'll run into Lucifer and then just finding bodies in his wake. Which formerly-14-year-old-girl demon thinks is "so gross!" (I agree). Then Crowley reveals that he IS indeed following them, and tells them that the reason Lucifer isn't there is because he's weak and has to keep jumping vessels to hide said weakness. Then he kills them for being annoying.... so much for comical demon guy.

Cas interrogates the driver quite roughly. Oh! I forgot to mention before, but I REALLY love the fact that Cas is SUPER DRIVEN in finding Sam... like, he went back to the Bunker ASAP, he was all set to interrogate Mary when he thought she was UKMoL. And it just warms the cookies of my heart to know that even if Dean HAD been dead, Sam still had Cas... like, Dean called Cas "a brother" and that's exactly the role that Cas is stepping into. "If I'm a Winchester, that means I RIP THE WORLD APART TO FIND SAM." Love. :)

"Sam's footsies" - my notes say, so this must be where they are all burned and bloody, and Sam has either passed out or fallen asleep (probably the former :P) and the torture is like DAMN, SON, IMPRESSIVE! So they take it to the "next level" which is apparently drugs... (though there's a hint that there is an option to call the big boss? Or someone? but UKMoL thinks he's a psychopath and doesn't want to be near him...so, maybe another torturer? Who knows.)

Mary is dealing with being in the future where everything is different. Cas commiserates, saying his arrival on earth was also "jarring". Mary says that in 30 years, "a lot's changed" and then repeats "a lot" as she eyes Dean returning. Awww... her 4 year old is 35/7 now...  :(

They track down the veternarian, and he reveals that he got 100k to work on Sam. Cas wants to beat him up, but Dean tells him to hold off... then Mary knows he's lying, so she gives him the go-ahead, and we get a phone number.

Sam's now not tied down and his foot is bandaged, but he's got an injection mark on his neck. He's being watched on camera and he knows it. UKMoL thinks he'll beg to "make it stop" - but what, we don't know yet...

Dean calls and gives a Taken-like speech, then he breaks the vet's phone... at first, I was like "aww, he broke that poor dude's phone!" then I remembered that the guy was given 100k, and I stopped feeling bad for him at all.

Sam's got ringing in his ears... and he also starts hallucinating everyone who has died because of him (as he sees it). Kevin, Dean, Mary...

Meanwhile, Dean, Mary, and Cas get sideswiped. Mary is knocked on conscious and Baby is dented (boo! HOW DARE YOU!)

It was totally on purpose, because it's the UKMoL Torturer, there to take Dean out (or capture him?)

Sam hallucinates Jess, who he calls "Jessica" in a rare use of her full first name.

The UKMoL Torturer has enchanted brass knuckles that give her an advantage over angels (and possibly also Dean, or she's just super skilled.) And she beats up Dean and Cas.

Sam continues to hallucinate voices blaming him for everything.

Dean contines getting beat up.

Sam keeps hearing that "it should have been [him]" - which Dean actually did say to him under the influence of the Mark of Cain.

Then it's Mary to the rescue of Dean and Cas, though UKMoL-T still almost shoots Dean as she reflexively fires while she dies. Dean says "Thanks Mom" and awww.... they're so messed up.

Then Sam breaks a mirror and is SUICIDAL?! I loved this play, because I sincerely could not tell if it was a play or not - Sam's genius enough to use it as one, but he's also been suicidal before in his life, and you can never tell what formerly unstable people will do when you drug them. It's legitemately a risk that UKMoL was taking here...which is, of course, how the play works!

It IS an unrealistic amount of blood for a hand-wound though, in my opinion... he's have needed to keep the wound open with the glass, otherwise your blood clots way too fast to make a puddle that big.

Sam chokes her out, but he doesn't kill her - or choke her out enough that she stays unconscious for long. He also doesn't disarm her... and he's slow getting out, so inevitably, she electricutes him and he ends up still stuck in the basement waiting out the drugs, and he's already run his escape play, so it's unlikely to work again.

Mary is coping with the fact that she just killed someone. Dean comforts her. I really appreciate the fact that when Dean asks if she's okay, she says "no" - like, oh man, did these guys ever need someone who was honest about emotions when they were growing up...and here she finally is!

Mary talks about how she spent her life trying to get away from hunting - and how she never wanted this for them. Dean knows this, and he tells her that he wouldn't want it either for his kids - but then he defends it as a profession. And I think this is oddly HEALTHY for Dean, because he knows Mary is disappointed, that his MOTHER is disappointed, but he tells her that he and Sam are good at it, and he thinks they make the world a better place. AND I JUST WANT TO HUG HIM.

We touch in with Crowley, who has come to another dead-end in the Lucifer hunt.

Then back to Dean driving with Cas in the front and Mary in the backseat - and Dean turns to talk to her, but he no longer knows what to say... awww...

And then Sam, who is all alone, cold and sad. Awwwww... THEY'RE COMING FOR YOU, SAMMY!

Next week's promo looks like more of the same... but I do hope they rescue Sam...I don't want him tortured for too long. I need Cas to heal his feet so that I can sleep well at night.

As per usual, tell me what you think in comments!!! 

Comments

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raloria
Oct. 14th, 2016 09:01 am (UTC)
Toni has a little son, not a daughter. ;)

Brass knuckles! I couldn't think of what they were called when I was typing up my review. Had a total brain fart. lol Thank you.

That gal was pretty badass wasn't she? Not only beating Dean up, but taking his gun away without him even realizing it. Yowza.

It IS an unrealistic amount of blood for a hand-wound though, in my opinion... he's have needed to keep the wound open with the glass, otherwise your blood clots way too fast to make a puddle that big.

Very good point. I kinda thought that pool was a little big. And didn't they kinda sorta show Sam actually slicing his neck? Now I'm confused. I'll have to rewatch that to be sure.

Again, we thought a lot of the same things during this ep.
Can't wait for Sammy to finally be rescued!

hells_half_acre
Oct. 15th, 2016 01:27 am (UTC)
And I see you caught her name too - which I obviously hadn't. :P

It took me a minute to remember "Brass Knuckles" too. It's been a while since I've seen them - I think they were last popular in the 80s.

Yup - gal was awesome. RIP gal.

I only watched the show once, but from what I saw, Sam didn't hurt his neck at all.

Is it next week yet?! It's good to have the show back!
supernutjapan
Oct. 14th, 2016 01:03 pm (UTC)
YES! We need Cas to heal Sam!! That's what I was telling myself this whole ep. Even when I thought Sam might be dead or near it - Cas will heal him, Cas will heal him...

His poor footsies :(

Great ep :D
hells_half_acre
Oct. 15th, 2016 01:28 am (UTC)
Haha, I was pretty much thinking the exact same thing!
borgmama1of5
Oct. 14th, 2016 01:04 pm (UTC)
My very first thought when Dean started giving all the dates to Mary's backstory was 'oh, hells_half_acre's gonna love this!' :) (Mary and John were married in August 1975--so was I!)

All the Dean and Mary scenes were so sad and sweet simultaneously. The vulnerability in Dean's face when he looks at his mom...

The UKMoL's name is Toni Bevell, btw. She has a son back in Britain. And boy, did she go about getting info out of a Winchester totally the wrong way--why not politely knock on the bunker door and explain the UKMoL want to help the USMoL/hunters improve their technique? But no, she comes in and has to be all threatening. Okay, from their perspective the Winchester boys are scary loose cannons so Ms. Bevell has to come on strong...but honestly, that level of torture just to get a list of names from Sam? They have enough info to know what the Winchesters have been doing but not enough to know that they operate solo?

I'm sure 100% of fandom wants UKMoL's head for what she's done to our poor Sammy! And yet there were clearly points of trying to make her sympathetic--the conversation with her kid, admitting not all the UKMoL had wanted to sit out the most recent apocalypse, her comment that she didn't want to bring in the more advanced torturer because he was a psychopath (gee, wonder who we'll see working Sam over next week?)...and it seemed to me that she was coming to admire Sam's strength in resisting torture as she was watching on the video feed. Of course now that she experienced Sam's craftiness and was strangled by him, all of her second thoughts on how she's treated him are out the window...

Lady, think about it--Sam had you at his mercy and he totally could have killed you BUT HE DIDN'T! (He should have...but our Sammy doesn't kill unnecessarily!)

I was perplexed with how torture lady MoL was able to beat up Cas so easily. Is he not up to full power because of the banishment? You think it had something to do with having magical brass knuckles? I totally saw the setup though for Mary to kill her--and feel bad that she had just killed a human even though it was to save her son's life.

My only quibble with the whole episode was what made Cas think the veterinarian had been involved? I mean, good call, but I didn't see what prompted him to go there?

I'm going to be feeling awful for poor Sam all week...and the saddest part is that he thinks Dean is dead so he doesn't know rescue is on its way...I can't wait for the reunion scene next week!!!

PS I wondered how much fun--not--filming the getting soaked scene was for Jared? They probably didn't use really cold water but still...poor guy...

hells_half_acre
Oct. 15th, 2016 01:39 am (UTC)
My very first thought when Dean started giving all the dates to Mary's backstory was 'oh, hells_half_acre's gonna love this!' :) (Mary and John were married in August 1975--so was I!)

Haha, yup! My friend kept being like "do you need me to back it up again? Another time? You got it?" Haha, but I'm quick with the notes and got everything with only rewinding once. :P

And yet there were clearly points of trying to make her sympathetic--the conversation with her kid, admitting not all the UKMoL had wanted to sit out the most recent apocalypse, her comment that she didn't want to bring in the more advanced torturer because he was a psychopath (gee, wonder who we'll see working Sam over next week?)

I didn't see those as attempts to make her sympathetic - I saw them more as... rounding out her character (she's got something to lose)...showing where she stands on the spectrum of their enemies (ie: she's not the worst when it comes to cruelty), and also showing us her personality (she LIKES action, she wanted to act before but was held back - which perhaps goes to explain her overzealous approach.) Anyway, that was my take.

and it seemed to me that she was coming to admire Sam's strength in resisting torture as she was watching on the video feed. Of course now that she experienced Sam's craftiness and was strangled by him, all of her second thoughts on how she's treated him are out the window...

I'm not sure if that's admiration or realizing that despite all her research, she doesn't actually know what she's dealing with. But, it COULD have been admiration, who knows.

You think it had something to do with having magical brass knuckles? I totally saw the setup though for Mary to kill her--and feel bad that she had just killed a human even though it was to save her son's life.

Yeah, I saw the set-up a mile away. And yes, I think that was the sole point of the enchanted knuckles - to explain how she was able to best an angel, when previously the only human who's been able to do that is MoC!Dean.

My only quibble with the whole episode was what made Cas think the veterinarian had been involved? I mean, good call, but I didn't see what prompted him to go there?

I assumed that they had gotten the info from the driver, and the reason they were camped out at the coffee spot was because they were waiting for the vet to come home so they could interrogate him. But it's true that wasn't explicitly said.

I'm going to be feeling awful for poor Sam all week...and the saddest part is that he thinks Dean is dead so he doesn't know rescue is on its way...I can't wait for the reunion scene next week!!!

I'm sure he thinks Cas is looking for him (at least I hope he does!), but yeah, part of me thinks that one of the many reasons Sam isn't breaking is because next to the grief, what's a little torture? So SAD.

PS I wondered how much fun--not--filming the getting soaked scene was for Jared? They probably didn't use really cold water but still...poor guy...

Haha, well, they would have filmed that episode in early July, so he might have found it refreshing! ;)
claudiapriscus
Oct. 14th, 2016 08:49 pm (UTC)
I have never been so tempted to go back to SPN. The thing is, man, what I want is the - well, somewhat fanfic version of this. I don't care about plots, lucifier, MOL, etc. But Mary having to come to terms with her grown sons? And vice versa? And all the family stuff? Urgh. Give me all of that.
hells_half_acre
Oct. 15th, 2016 01:41 am (UTC)
Well, you can just read along as I drunkenly watch and then search out gifs on tumblr? Then you can just watch the character bits!
claudiapriscus
Oct. 15th, 2016 02:14 am (UTC)
Sounds like a plan :) I am seriously tempted to watch though. SPN, WHY MUST YOU ALWAYS BREAK MY HEART
percysowner
Oct. 15th, 2016 03:37 am (UTC)
If you are in the U.S. The CW is showing the last 5 episodes on CWTV http://cwtv.com/. If it still sounds good after episode 4 you could catch up. I'm actually encouraged for the first time in years.
thestorygirl13
Oct. 14th, 2016 09:59 pm (UTC)
Yay! New season and new quick reactions from Hell's Half Acre! I've enjoyed your reviews for the past few seasons, but I've always been too scared to comment. Also, I didn't have a LiveJournal. But now I do, kind of? (Can not figure our the user pic thing. Like Cas, I distrust technology). Anyway, here goes.

Loved your review, and loved the episode. I think the Dabb era has gotten off to a great start! I was so excited to see Mary's return, and was not disappointed. I thought it was very well written and well played on both Samantha and Jensen's parts. Mary's confusion and grief was not glossed over, and I loved hearing the little details of Mary's relationship with John in John's own words (by way of Dean). That little peek into Sam and Dean's past, about them hearing all about Mary from John, really added to the story, IMO.

I was also impressed with the respect Dean has for Mary, and the confidence in her abilities. The moment when Dean hands her a weapon upon realizing that all was not well in the bunker was very telling. I also really liked the moment of Mary not being able to resist checking out the books before Cas makes his appearance. I love seeing these little details of traits Sam and Dean share with their Mom.

And Cas! His angel comet was probably his second best entrance of the series, though it did make me a little sad knowing that if he'd had his wings, he probably would have had an easier landing. Also loved that poor truck driver thinking he'd happened upon an alien or something... and then trying to convince everyone the next day that a man from outer space had stolen his truck!

I agree that it was quite moving to see Cas so focused and intent on saving Sam. Sam and Cas' relationship is one of my favorites on the show, and I'm always so happy when the show allows us to see how much these guys mean to each other. Cas was so worried about Sam that the only thing that could even briefly distract him was Dean coming back from the dead.

That whole scene... with Mary threatening Cas, Cas preparing to interrogate Mary, Dean intervening, Cas realizing that Dean is alive and then quickly finding out who Mary is... it was just so very well done. There was so much going on there, and kudos to the editors for capturing so well how all three of them were reacting to the various reveals. And that moment where Cas just launched himself at Dean, so surprised and RELIEVED to find him alive... sigh. Cas loves his family. :)

I really enjoyed the rest of the search for Sam, also. All three of them are so driven and determined, and at the heart of it, it's because of their love for Sam, but they are also each processing and experiencing it in different ways. I hope we get a great reunion for them all next episode. And yes, Cas really needs to heal Sam's poor feet!

Those torture scenes with Sam were so hard to watch... and him being barefoot made it that much harder for me, personally. He just seemed so much more vulnerable without his shoes (even though I know it was done to make it easier for torture lady to burn his feet). Jared's performance was so good! He made Sam's pain (both physical and mental) so accessible and real. Knowing that through all of this Sam thinks that Dean is dead makes it SO MUCH WORSE.

Still, I did feel a little sympathy for Lady Toni. She's doing her job, a job she happens to be very good at, even though she doesn't alway agree with what she's told to do. They are definitely setting her up to become an ally, and I think having her on the Winchesters' side will be very interesting.


hells_half_acre
Oct. 15th, 2016 01:47 am (UTC)
Yay! Welcome to commenting! There's never a need to be scared. And yeah, sorry about the whole "have to have an LJ" thing - I used to have anon commenting turned on, but then I kept getting spam. :P

I also really liked the moment of Mary not being able to resist checking out the books before Cas makes his appearance. I love seeing these little details of traits Sam and Dean share with their Mom.

I didn't even really think of it that way, but you're right! That warms the cookies of my heart - I hope we see more of that.

Sam and Cas' relationship is one of my favorites on the show, and I'm always so happy when the show allows us to see how much these guys mean to each other.

SAME! <3

and him being barefoot made it that much harder for me, personally. He just seemed so much more vulnerable without his shoes

I know!! There's something about barefeet that make torture so much worse! Even before they got around to torturing his feet, I was like GIVE HIM SHOES! HAhaha

Still, I did feel a little sympathy for Lady Toni. She's doing her job, a job she happens to be very good at, even though she doesn't alway agree with what she's told to do. They are definitely setting her up to become an ally, and I think having her on the Winchesters' side will be very interesting.

INTERESTING HYPOTHESIS! I look forward to seeing where the season takes us, for sure!

If I didn't address anything else you said, it's because I agree completely! :)


thestorygirl13
Oct. 14th, 2016 09:59 pm (UTC)
Other thoughts I had... I felt bad for the veterinarian being put in that position. That $100,000 probably didn't even cover all of his vet school expenses. I'm glad he lived to practice another day.

I saw somewhere that there was some confusion of how Cas seemed to focus on the vet's van? I assumed the driver had directed the three of them to the vet, and the whole coffee scene was just them waiting for him to make an appearance.

I've also seen some incredulity about the torture lady (was she ever named?) being able to best Cas in a fight. Her brass knuckles were engraved in Enochian, and maybe had other enchantments on them as well? I don't think he was expecting that, as he clearly looked shocked that she was able to hurt him at the beginning of the fight. He went for his blade pretty quickly after that, but by then she already had the upper hand and had weakened him. Seemed believable to me, but perhaps I'm missing something?

Can't wait for next week!
hells_half_acre
Oct. 15th, 2016 01:48 am (UTC)
Haha, good point about the Vet. School is expensive.

And yes, that's what I assumed about finding the vet too...and also about the knuckles. I don't think you missed anything.
shadowsong26
Oct. 14th, 2016 11:52 pm (UTC)
Hurray for a new season!

I thought the THEN segment was effective, too.

Mary and Dean’s first meeting was also really cool. Mary in general I really liked in this episode; how they handled her coming back after thirty-three (thirty-five) years.

It was really cool to see the receiving end of an angel banishing! And I’m totally with you on how rude of Cas it was to just…like…leave that dude lying there…not cool, man.

I felt really bad for this poor vet, not gonna lie…

The ex-fourteen-year-old demon made me giggle.

Sam’s bravado was equal parts awesome and heartbreaking.

You know, I didn’t even think about where those new clothes for Mary would’ve come from…thrift store makes sense, though! (Also, why was she buried in the nightgown…? Don’t resurrected people tend to come back in the clothes they were buried in? And aren’t most people buried in, like, nice clothes that you wear in public? Come to think of it, how much of a body was there to bury? Did Amara bring Mary back in the nightgown for aesthetic purposes/to make sure Dean recognized her? I am now weirdly fixated on this question…)

Mary petting the car was amazing. And, yeah, Dean’s face when he realized what she was remembering was gold.

With regard to UKMoL and their system and angels…they must have something that works? Because there are wards that keep out angels, and she knew at least the banishing sigil. And, theoretically, holy fire kills any angel (except Archangels), so…maybe they have a crapload of holy oil stockpiled somewhere? IDK. But, yeah, agreed with everything else you said about them.

And about the US hunters having a hierarchy…lol.

Agreed about Cas’s drive to find Sam, and all it means.

I really don’t have much to say about Sam’s half of this episode except…poor Sam :(

Also, UKMoL torturer with her magic brass knuckles was all kinds of badass and I kind of loved her. But, yeah, good on Mary for stabbing her in the chest, given the alternatives there…

I couldn’t tell about Sam’s suicide play being real or not, either. Especially since he still thinks Dean is dead…plus all the reasons you said.

100% agreed about Mary being emotionally communicative and a desperately needed good example for the boys in that area.

Anyway, this was a good episode! Looking forward to what’s coming next…
hells_half_acre
Oct. 15th, 2016 01:51 am (UTC)
(Also, why was she buried in the nightgown…? Don’t resurrected people tend to come back in the clothes they were buried in? And aren’t most people buried in, like, nice clothes that you wear in public? Come to think of it, how much of a body was there to bury? Did Amara bring Mary back in the nightgown for aesthetic purposes/to make sure Dean recognized her? I am now weirdly fixated on this question…)

Mary wasn't buried. She burned up in the fire - so the nightgown WAS what she was "buried" in - in that it was the last thing she ever wore and was destroyed along with her body.

Mary had a headstone, put there by an uncle of hers, but the grave itself was empty.

With regard to UKMoL and their system and angels…they must have something that works? Because there are wards that keep out angels, and she knew at least the banishing sigil. And, theoretically, holy fire kills any angel (except Archangels), so…maybe they have a crapload of holy oil stockpiled somewhere? IDK. But, yeah, agreed with everything else you said about them.

Good points!

Everything else you said - Agreed agreed agreed!
rovallie5
Oct. 15th, 2016 04:36 am (UTC)
Yay S12
Foremost,I'm glad you are back with your quick reviews ☺ they are always refreshing.

For me this premiere was so damn good,and promising,I hope Dabb era keep going like this,please 🙏

Lol I'm so excited that I forgot what I was gonna point out about this episode. Oh yeah I remember,and is kinda silly,but how did Cas knew the time they were attacked? Was he watching a clock? . And yeah , I love that Mary said she wasnt fine,as people tend to lie about feelings...Winchesters are a good example. So please guys,learn from mom.
hells_half_acre
Oct. 15th, 2016 08:18 pm (UTC)
Re: Yay S12
I'm glad you enjoy the reviews!

I figure that Cas has an interior angel-clock, where he always knows the precise time. Sort of like Spock, who (as long as he's conscious) seems to always know exactly how much time has passed (at least in fanfic, it's been a while since I've watched TOS.)

I really hope the Dabb era continues as this first episode has set out - we'll have to wait and see!

liliaeth
Oct. 15th, 2016 10:00 am (UTC)

I have to admit, I loved the premiere. Much better than last seasons. They also handled the introduction of the mol lady better than last season's finale did.


But for me, the best part seems to be how every main character got an equal share in the story.For me it often felt like the last few seasons were focusing too much on Sam or Castiel
( or wasted too much time on trying to make Crowley likeable.)


This season it felt like an ensemble where each character got their fair share of the story, and Dean got to do more than to be Sam's caretaker. Each character gets an emotional arc, and I loved getting to know more about Mary...


It just felt more like the best parts of the earlier seasons again. Where character arcs were more important than the big bad.


One thing though, for all the MOL's claims, they don't seem to have been able to stop Crowley from getting to Scotland in s6.

hells_half_acre
Oct. 15th, 2016 08:24 pm (UTC)
Agreed about equal screen-time, or, doling out screen time in accordance to the importance of the story... we'll see if they continue in that fashion or if it's just a particularly well written premiere!

It just felt more like the best parts of the earlier seasons again. Where character arcs were more important than the big bad.

This is sincerely my hope for this season. The early seasons, in my opinion, were good because the majority of the season was about exploring how Sam and Dean felt about a plot-event, rather than exploring the actual plot-event.

One thing though, for all the MOL's claims, they don't seem to have been able to stop Crowley from getting to Scotland in s6.

Good point! Now, he may have just popped in and out of that graveyard and not walked under any of those wards - but that's just the thing - demons and angels (at least before they lost their wings) can pop in and out wherever they place.

Part of me wants to believe that the UKMoL's perfectly safe UK only APPEARS safe... that the monsters there are just further underground than anywhere else, that the UKMoL is so assured that they keep the place safe at the ports, that they ignore they buy the justifications for the weird deaths in the country, because of COURSE isn't not monsters, they killed all the monsters!

I guess time will tell. I certainly think that even in a place as small as the UK, it'd be impossible to police it THAT thoroughly.
elvit
Oct. 16th, 2016 09:22 pm (UTC)
> Sam was shot with a 38 calibre bullet, btw - I have a habit of writing down all numbers I hear, even though they don't correspond to timeline stuff.

- You're amazing! <3
I just love your notes so much!
hells_half_acre
Oct. 16th, 2016 11:02 pm (UTC)
Thanks! :)
kailita
Oct. 17th, 2016 10:12 pm (UTC)
Just got back from my cousin's wedding in a rural no-internet patch of Texas. I've had access to the episode for a couple of days, but it took me some time to work myself up to it, because I was so nervous. (I need to stop getting so worked up and just let this show be what it is...I am way too emotionally invested at this point.)

That being said, I think...with some reservations...I liked it!

I love that Dean remembers all those dates and facts about his parents' courtship. Sam is not the only chronicler in the family, and they both have minds like a steel trap. And I would think that Dean especially would latch onto those details about the mother he missed so much. I wonder when John would have told them those stories! Maybe during one of their inebriated Thanksgivings?

Michelle is not going to like returning to Sam In Peril. ;) Did you (or one of your commenters) bring up how reminiscent it is of the start of season 10 with Cole? Not in a bad way. Sam is so consistently a badass, cool under pressure. I LOVED that line you mentioned as well: "I've been tortured by the devil himself. You're just an accent in a pantsuit." And his incredulity is understandable. I kept waiting for them to up the ante... "So you’re going to torture him by making him…cold? No waterboarding? No electric shock conducted through the water? You said you’ve been watching him for years…do you KNOW the Winchesters…?" (I also want to know who pitched the writer's room: "Let's start this season by drenching Jared Padalecki...")

And obviously the torture progressed. :( Though I have to say...I understand that we need stakes, to be invested and feel the peril, etc...but part of me just wanted Sam to OWN the psychological torture. That was his life for, what, half a century in hell? And continued intermittently once he returned, with Lucifer in his head. I know, I know, you never really adjust to seeing the people who have died because of you explicitly voicing your guilt... :( But wouldn't it have been awesome if he just weathered that as stoically as the physical torture? There's really nothing new under the sun to torture Sam Winchester with...he's seen it all.

LOL that our Big Bad is Great Britain. ;) I like that the “monster” is human – but the danger of humans is not torture and enchanted brass knuckles. I think Sam and Dean can both face that! There’s a social, emotional, psychological element to interacting with another human who wants to hurt you. Can we explore that please? I'm sure they will. I need to be patient.
hells_half_acre
Oct. 18th, 2016 03:22 am (UTC)
I wonder when John would have told them those stories! Maybe during one of their inebriated Thanksgivings?

Maybe! We'll never know...

Did you (or one of your commenters) bring up how reminiscent it is of the start of season 10 with Cole? Not in a bad way. Sam is so consistently a badass, cool under pressure.

No, you're the first! I had forgotten about that - but you're right. Though, that time, Sam knew Dean wasn't coming because he was a demon, this time, Sam thinks Dean's not coming because he's dead. Anyway, I don't mind Sam in peril storylines as much as Michelle does... mainly, because as much as I like rescues, I also like seeing what people do when they don't believe rescue is coming and must rescue themselves. I'd be annoyed if Sam just sat there and was like "someone will rescue me, it's cool..." but he's obviously not doing that.

I know, I know, you never really adjust to seeing the people who have died because of you explicitly voicing your guilt... :( But wouldn't it have been awesome if he just weathered that as stoically as the physical torture? There's really nothing new under the sun to torture Sam Winchester with...he's seen it all.

Part of me pretty much thinks that's what he DID. Because the only time he really acted upset was when he was setting up his "suicide"... and then after that, he was BUMMED that he failed, but he wasn't really weepy at the hallucinations, you know? Even though they were probably still going. I think Sam knows what's what... I also think a lot of the looks that UKMoL gives Sam's video-feed is her wondering why the drugs aren't working better.

There’s a social, emotional, psychological element to interacting with another human who wants to hurt you. Can we explore that please? I'm sure they will. I need to be patient.

Well see... come back to me at the mid-season finale and we can talk about how they never address that. ;)



kailita
Oct. 17th, 2016 10:13 pm (UTC)
“ORGANIZATIONAL HIERARCHY?!?! Do they not do any research in all their watching of Sam and Dean?!!? It's the mythological wild west in the US when it comes to the supernatural and hunters - there IS no hierarchy, just a loose network that bends and changes with shifting loyalties, life-debts, and special interests. You'd have better luck finding the organizational hierarchy in a ladybug infestation.”
YES, exactly!! And very articulate too! I love this approach to American hunting, and the apparent contrast with their British counterparts. What do you think the hunter community is like in Canada? ;)

“oh man, did these guys ever need someone who was honest about emotions when they were growing up...and here she finally is!”
I'm so glad you brought this up! I hope this continues and brings some significant consequences with it!

When Dean says, “I think we make the world a better place. I know that we do.” Wow. What a big change. That attitude is relatively new...I'd say they haven't been able to focus on the good that they've accomplished since...really not before season 11! Maybe they started to at the end of season 8, with Dean listing all the reasons that Sam shouldn't sacrifice himself again...but all of those good things were kind of eclipsed by the devastating consequences of the angel possession that followed, and with the Mark of Cain right on its heels....yeah. They weren't really able to look at the GOOD that they had done until all of that was wrapped up and behind them. But what a different attitude/approach from the early seasons! I wonder how much of this season will be dedicated to them justifying their vocation not only to the Men of Letters but to their own mother. Can't wait to find out. :)
hells_half_acre
Oct. 18th, 2016 03:44 am (UTC)
YES, exactly!! And very articulate too! I love this approach to American hunting, and the apparent contrast with their British counterparts. What do you think the hunter community is like in Canada? ;)

Oh man, you might be joking, but I'm actually giving this serious thought.. the thing with Canada is that it has 10% the population of the states, but is much larger geographically... so, yeah, what would American hunting be like if the population of California were the only people in the entire country, and they were spread out mostly along the southern border?

That's pretty much an impossible amount of open land to cover... and your hunter population is going to be considerably lower too... like, hunters are what? 1% of the population or not even?

THEN there's the culture thing - in that Canadians ARE different from Americans. And it's not even about guns, because despite whatever propaganda goes on in the US about guns in Canada... rural Canadians (farmers/hunters) actually DO own guns. So, our hunters would be just as stocked as American hunters, just no fully automatic weapons and no butterfly knives (curse Canada's butterfly knife ban - they're great for camping, and someone stole mine and now I can't buy a replacement.)

But yeah, culturally, we are a lot less Wild West and a little more... like Donna Hanscum. Really, actually... I think Hunting in Canada would be like if all Hunters were Donna Hunscum. In that there WOULD be an organized hierarchy, but it'd be super informal and people wouldn't really even realize it.

"I heard there was trouble up in Fort Mac."
"Really? Well, I'll call Jimmy and see what he says - I think he's just over in Edmonton visiting his mother."
"Good good, tell him hello from me. Any chance you might want to join me and Marie on a Wendigo hunt? We thought we'd make a weekend of it - take the canoe, do a portage, you know."
"Oh sure. I'll tell Suzy down at the Friendship Centre, so she can coordinate with the local First Nation for us."
"Well, that's nice of her to do - you be sure to give her my thanks."

But what a different attitude/approach from the early seasons! I wonder how much of this season will be dedicated to them justifying their vocation not only to the Men of Letters but to their own mother. Can't wait to find out. :)

Agreed agreed. I think a lot of their devastating consequences were... put in perspective at the end of S11, since, yeah, they unleashed the Darkness in the first place - but they also pretty much negotiated with God AND the Darkness and saved the world...so, Dean can start feeling better about his ability to make the world a better place, methinks. But it'll definitely be interesting to see where this goes and how we see this attitude moving forward!
kailita
Oct. 18th, 2016 07:20 am (UTC)
An entire hunter community made up of Donna Hanscombs sounds like something I could never pass up. <3
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