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Quick Reaction: 11x23 Alpha and Omega

Hello!! So, I'm back in Vancouver and back to my old habits  - just in time for the Season Finale. So, you'll be happy to hear that I've been drinking. Also, I've still only seen the episode once (while drinking) so, although I took rough reminder notes, all quotes will be paraphrased (or made up) and things might end up out of order.

Let's get to it!

We begin where we left off, with God collapsing to the floor, the Darkness disappearing, and Lucifer being "gone" - and let's get to that last point immediately.

Sam and Dean divide the check-in's appropriately, with Sam checking in on his God, and Dean checking in with his angel. Cas is indeed back! Much to Dean's surprise and complete relief. Cas tells us that Lucifer was "ripped out" and is "gone" but he doesn't say DEAD. He doesn't know where Lucifer went, but he doesn't know whether he's dead or alive either it seems. So that's a door left open right there.

Chuck is not doing so hot, but is still conscious for the moment.

Rowena comes in, and I LOVE Dean going bad-ass and drawing the gun - but yeah, it really is just Rowena, and then Crowley, and they both complain about the plan obviously not working - and Rowena tells them about the whole problem with ye olde sonne.

In my notes here, I also have "wish I were Chuck" which refers to the fact that Chuck was leaning on Sam with his face plastered to those beautiful pectorals. Mmm... muscling cushion.

ANYWAY....

The sun is dying! Yay! Chuck zaps them to ye olde bunker, and everyone looks to Dean to see what the hell to do next. This is one of my favourite things about Dean's character - people often look to him to lead, but Dean's actually HIGHLY uncomfortable in that roll at all times. So, Dean decides that now is the time to drink.

Meanwhile, in London, the news anchor on the telly says "observa-tory" instead of "observa-tree" which we thought dubious, though my friend agreed that perhaps there were parts of england that pronounced it the American way, but still DUBIOUS.

British news is saying that a 6% drop in the sun's output is "nothing to worry about" which is a super duper lie and obviously a ploy from the authorities to keep the apocalypse riots at bay for as long as possible.

But what is actually important about this scene is that we meet a blond woman named Toni (I believe) who is a WOMAN OF LETTERS! Dun dun DUN! Not only that, but she has a whole wall of her basement devoted to tracking Sam and Dean Winchester - which is WICKED COOL!  (but also gives me crazy mixed feelings, which I will obviously get into later).

Back to the Bunker, where Rowena calls Chuck "Charles" and I find it super endearing, even though I actually kinda hate the name Charles (but love the name Charlie, ironically.)

Sam yells at Dean about the drinking and declares - in true Sam fashion - that now is not the time to give up! That Sam is going to find a Plan B! (Sam is pro-choice in all matters). Dean decides they're going to need more beer, and he commands Cas to join in him in a beer run. Cas complies.

Crowley tries to warn Chuck away from Rowena - saying that she's just using him. Uh, Crowley, Chuck's GOD, I'm pretty sure he knows Rowena's MO by now. But I do love Crowley's parting shot of "I'm not calling you Dad." (Ha!)

Toni is GOING TO AMERICA.

Sam wants to do something. He decides that since God is dying anyway and the fabric of the universe is ALREADY at stake, they might as well kill Amara.

Meanwhile, Dean is having a heart to heart with Cas. Dean forgives Cas for saying yes to Lucifer, admitting that at the time it probably was their best shot and he understands why Cas did it - especially since neither Dean nor Sam could have. (I'm not sure I agree with this, but whatever.) Dean then goes on to make sure that Cas knows that he's appreciated and that "you're a brother, Cas." (And me and my friend laugh, because I had, just before the show started, explained to her the whole joke about gals being pals and "just a couple of dudes being bros")

But I shouldn't cheapen the moment. Cas is now as canonically as you can get in SPN, cemented as being an adopted Winchester Brother.

Sam calls Dean back to the Bunker, and Dean and Cas turn the car around. (Sidenote: Was it just us, or did you guys find that the car sounds in the Dean and Cas scene were WAY too loud? Not to disparage the sound-mixers of course, but it was slightly annoying.)

Sam's idea is that since God dying causes the universal scales to be unbalanced, then a possible solution would be to kill Amara. and then the scales would be empty and the sides balanced. So, how do you kill Amara?

Light! Which makes sense. Only you need a ton of it. 10,000 suns going supernova. Sam, I think, suggests that they could perhaps use souls. Because Sam knows that Souls are super bright and have the power of 100 suns. It's a really cool fact to bring back into play - to actually USE the fact that we know souls contain power.

So, they decide to build a bomb. Cas says he'll ask Heaven. Dean and Sam figure they'll catch a bunch of ghosts - they know just the place to get them too - and Crowley says he'll go raid his stash in Hell.

Meanwhile, Amara is accidentally killing plants and then looking disappointed. (Trust me Amara, I feel the same way about my houseplants - Winchester and the Weasleys are hanging in there, but Jefferson keeps threatening to quit on me.)

Dean and Sam head to an abandoned insane asylum/hospital to pick up the ghosts... and part of me absolutely loves the fact that they just KNOW this place is sitting here full of ghosts - like, all hunters must know - and no one ever bothers to do anything about it. They're just like "ugh, too much work." No wait, that's not even what I like about it - what I like about it is that they're like "huge building full of thousands of ghosts? No problem. It's a milk run." I love leveled-up Winchesters... and the Winchesters have been beyond level 10 for a while now.

Dean does a Rowena impression. Then they "bust some ghosts" (love ghostbuster references) - and I also love them getting impatient and Sam being like "I'll go piss them off" - like, not only is a building full of ghosts not a problem, Sam is going to deliberately antagonize them too.

It works, and they are in a ghost fight, until Dean manages to throw the crystal and say the magic word, and all the ghosts are trapped inside.

This gets the attention of Billie the Reaper though!

Cas has no luck in Heaven, because the angels are pessimists and Crowley has no luck in hell, because demons can't be trusted with your things while you're gone.

Meanwhile, Amara talks with an old woman who is feeding pigeons. The woman talks about how much she loves the pigeons and about her son (or son in law?) and how he wants to put her in an old age home - and she kind of hates him for it, but really she still loves him. Amara experiences regret.

Billie follows the boys back to the Bunker - and as a neutral force of the universe - enters easily, though the sensors go off. She listens to their plans and then offers her own supply of souls from the veil. Which...does that mean there's a temporary shortage of ghosts?

Also, question - but if they HAD used the souls from Heaven - aren't those souls PEOPLE - I mean, are they destroyed in this bomb scenario? I guess it's mostly a moot point, but I gotta wonder...

Billie is also flirty with Crowley. Which is amusing. Also, I like Billie.

The thing with the bomb of course, is that they can't just drop it on Amara. Someone has to BE the Bomb, and that someone has to be Dean, because he's the only one that Amara might let close enough to her. So, sounds like death for Dean! Sam is not happy - this whole thing was caused by Sam saving Dean, and now he doesn't even get to enjoy that victory.

Toni arrives in the US.

Sam and Dean have their heartfelt goodbye. Sam tells Dean that he doesn't have to do it, but Dean says he does. They're at Mary's headstone (which, FYI, is just a headstone, as Mary's body didn't survive the fire.) Chuck doesn't want his sister to die, he loves her, but he understands why Sam and Dean are doing what they're doing.

Cas and Dean then have their heartfelt goodbye, which involves Cas initiating a hug. AWWW. Dean tells Cas to look after Sam. And thanks him again for being a bro.

Dean demands that they give him a big funeral with a Black Sabbath coverband and then they spread his ashes there - in the same graveyard as Mary's headstone. He then gives Sam the car keys and tells him no chick flick moments. Sam argues that Dean loves chick flicks, and Dean admits that yes, he does. (AWW!) HUGS!

Finally, Dean is sent to Amara.

The rest of Team God head to "The Lazy Shag" (Ha!) for a beer, to wait out the end.

Dean and Amara chat. Amara knows that he's a bomb. She doesn't think that Dean is able to hurt her though. Dean argues that after what she's done to the sun, he might be able to. She says the sun problem isn't her - Dean says it's because the scales are tipping towards darkness. But Amara seems to suggest that the sun is more closely just tied with God, and has nothing to do with the balance of the universe, but rather God's life - and that once God is dead, Amara will be dead as well. So, is Sam's solution flawed? A dud?

We'll never now. Because Amara then goes on to explain how she just wanted to hurt God, and Dean gives her the whole "revenge is unfulfilling in the long run" speech, and also the "my brother and I fight all the time, but it's better when we love each other" speech. Amara admits that she was just really lonely.

Dean then goes on to say how everything is a big MAYBE in the world, but that you need to put aside rage and hate and focus on what you actually want.

The answer, it seems, is Chuck. He disappears from The Lazy Shag and reappears in the garden with Amara, and Amara attempts to settle their differences. She was jealous that he loved other things than her. (Her and Lucifer have a lot in common.) And she admits that his creation is beautiful. God's super pleased, because that's all he ever wanted was for her to see how beautiful life was.

The sun gets bright again. Amara heals God. Then they "go away for a while", but first God disarms the bomb in Dean's chest (phew). Dean wonders about whether the earth will be okay without God around, but God tells him that the earth will be fine, because it's got Dean and Sam in it.

Since Dean gave Amara what she wanted, Amara wants to give Dean what he wants the most.

(And here, my friend and I derailed into giggles, because my friend said "A *something-something year-old boyfriend" and  then told me that her friend Dean - who is an older gay gentleman - just got himself a 27 year-old boyfriend named Julio. And so then we had to laugh at how cliche it all was.)

Sam, of course, sees the sun's return (and Chuck's disappeance) as signs that Dean successfully deployed the bomb, and it worked, and now Dean is dead. He heads back to the Bunker with Cas, who also thinks Dean is dead and is trying to console Sam.

Meanwhile, waiting in the dark, is Toni, the English MoL member. She banishes Cas and she tells him that the UK MoL stayed active and hidden, but has been keeping tabs. That she's there to take Sam in. She asks where Dean is, and Sam says that he's dead. She calls Sam a suped-up hunter who is out of control (or something along those lines) and cites all Sam's previous unintented bad-consequenes as proof that he needs to be stopped. She's holding him at gun point, but at this stage, Sam doesn't have much to lose, so he takes a gamble and stalks towards her, claiming that she's not going to shoot him. She does.

Meanwhile, Dean is trying to figure out where the heck he is, and he hears a woman calling for help - when he follows the voice and stumbles out of the forest, he finds MARY WINCHESTER!! dun dun dun DUN!

So, that's where we leave off for S11, and that's our set-up for S12. Amara and God are out of the picture, so we're done with EPIC for now. Mary Winchester is alive. Cas is around, but temporary at a distance, and Sam is either dead or injured and most definitely captured by another chapter of the Men of Letters.


That's it for the season! Ultimately, I'd say that S11 started stronger than it finished. I was hoping for a more nuanced solution - something that was more about the intricacies of the construction/rules of the universe. For instance - I'm kind of mad that Amara was able to bring back Mary Winchester, because in my mind, that's creation - and Amara should be destruction, as she's the opposite of God, who is creation. But I'll get into that in a minute, because it also ties in with what I would have PREFERRED the ending to be... anyway, I felt that S11 was super strong up until (and including)11x20, and then it kind of...left me a bit unsatisfied. (But then, so did Captain America Civil War to some extent, and I still love that movie.)

Let's get into details...

Things I'm slightly disappointed about:
- I... kinda wanted God to die. Don't get me wrong, I love Chuck... but, I really wanted them to actually end up living in a legit godless universe. I wanted it to be exactly like Dean said way back in S2 - "there's no God or angels, there's just [...] random unpredicatable evil that comes out of nowhere and rips you to shreds." Because Dean's my favourite atheist, and I want him to be ultimately proven right - even though it sounds super depressing, it's not, because Dean believed that and his solution was to get up every day and FIGHT BACK. I love Dean so much, you guys. OR I wanted the ending to be more about the masculine vs. the feminine, and light vs. dark, and how the balance is needed - and it was KINDA like that, but the solution seemed to be about Amara changing, rather than Chuck changing - and not gonna lie, Chuck is kinda an asshole, so I wanted him to not be apologized to, but rather shown mercy.

Things I'm apprehensive about:
- I don't like the idea of warring MoL chapters. It's "politics" and I HATE politics. The only politics I can stand is in the form of Captain America movies. Ultimately, unless it's misguided law enforcement, I don't like human bad guys... and I definitely preferred Sam and Dean being the last (or almost the last, if you include Eileen) Men of Letters in the world. But! I have to remember that a lot of plots that they set up in for the next season end up being resolved in ways that I don't expect, sometimes way faster than I think they're going to be (demon!Dean) or just in a way that I thought I would hate, but actually like (can't think of an example...but I'll just say that S11 was REALLY AWESOME. So, maybe they'll keep that momentum?)

Things I like:
- I really like the idea of exploring what the hell it'll be like with Mary around. She doesn't know her adult children. She doesn't know what happened. (I'm assuming). She's a Goddess to the boys who remains a perfect memory and an ideal of what could have been - so how will that measure up to reality? Not only that, but Supernatural (to me) has always been partially about the tragedy of the supressed and missing feminine and the detrimental effect of the toxic-masculinity that occurs in the absense of the feminine. So... yeah... this change is mindblowing.
- I like the idea of a possible plot for early S12 being that Dean and Mary rescue Sam! That'd be bad-ass.
- I do like the idea of God essentially putting Sam and Dean in charge of keeping the world safe.
- Also, although Sam and Dean are separated, they aren't fighting - so here's hoping we get another full awesome season of the Winchesters working together! Because in my opinion, that was a large part of what made S11 so great.




So, let me know what you thought in comments. Usual positivity rules apply - if, like me, you didn't like certain things, balance them out by also talking about things you liked! One for each! Keep those scales balanced, else you destory the fabric of my world!

For possibly the first time, I don't have any major summer projects planned - but I'm sure I'll miss you guys and do some random posts about random things. :)

Some of you though, I know I won't see until the fall and the show starts up again, so I hope you have a good summer!! Thanks for stopping by each week and listening to me ramble. I LOVE YOU ALL.

Comments

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missyjack
May. 26th, 2016 09:24 am (UTC)
I loved it! And the ending was so startling! I so hope we get to see Mary and Dean hunting together! Of course Im hoping Sam is ok and he'll teach Toni the WoL a thing or two. Because he's Sam Motherfucking Winchester!

I am surprised everyone was alive at the end! I thought we'd loose a couple of them (well we did loose Metatron). S11 has been strong all around and I am excited for S12 - esp with some new writers to mix things up.
hells_half_acre
May. 26th, 2016 04:11 pm (UTC)
Yes, I'm super eager to see what the relationship with Mary is going to be. That's quite the thrilling dynamic to add!! And I'm not too concerned about Sam - after all, as you say, he's Sam Motherfucking Winchester. ;)

I was super happy that everyone was alive in the end! I mean, even despite my small desire to have God be dead - it was really cool for Dean to follow up his speech about how revenge isn't the answer by then PROVING it and not getting revenge on Amara and showing her that a better way would have been to actually talk to her brother and not have anyone be dead.

It'll definitely be interesting to see what the new writers are like!
raloria
May. 26th, 2016 10:46 am (UTC)
I loved the episode as well and thought Season 11 was a standout, despite a few stumbles.

(Sidenote: Was it just us, or did you guys find that the car sounds in the Dean and Cas scene were WAY too loud? Not to disparage the sound-mixers of course, but it was slightly annoying.)

Yes, I thought this, too. I'm always noticing those weird sound issues, since I watch the show with headphones on. ;)

Btw, it was Cas who suggested them using souls, not Sam. *g*

I'm also very excited about Mary and Dean going on a Sam rescue mission! I think Mary will join her boys in hunting and that is a very cool scenario! But...damn, if she dies somehow? Oh, the angst for the boys!!! Yeah, that would be devastating. Oh, dear...this could be rife with problems. But I'm so happy to see Sam Smith back on the show. Further proof that you're never truly dead on SPN. *g* Now let's bring back Charlie...
hells_half_acre
May. 26th, 2016 04:17 pm (UTC)
Agreed about S11!

And yeah, I had a feeling it wasn't Sam, but I couldn't remember who it was. :P

Oh man, yeah, if Mary dies for a second time, it'll be 100x worse than the first for Sam and Dean. I do wonder how she's going to fit into the story though, because they probably aren't making her an every episode character...so, ah well, I guess we'll just have to find out!

I'd love it if Charlie were brought back. You never know!
Romina M.
May. 26th, 2016 03:24 pm (UTC)
Still processing.
Still processing this ending,like you I love Mary was brough back,as you said it will be interesting to see her reaction seeing her children as adults, what would be her behaviour and knowing she was a hunter, she will help. As for Amara I'm trying to think she did this because Dean showed her why family matters, and as I read on twitter, she wasn't actually evil, she simply wanted revenge and somehowe he helped her to forgive, and is why she gave him that present. But having said this, I'm partly disappointed this big arc was resolved so "easily", don't know what other word could explain it better, but yeah is SPN and we have seen the same happened with Demon Dean for instance. But this change of mind of Amara was so quickly for me, that it could have been developed in more episodes.

MoL took me aback they bring that plot, yeah I can't deny is an area from the Winchesters legacy that we haven't seen enough, and also I thought they weren't others still alive but Eileen. Is, have to confess gave me the feeling,unless something changed in S12; the following season might be the last. Because for me having deal with God and Darkness, don't know what could surpass that. So maybe is time for them to face their legacy and solve personal issues to finally being well with themselves. But let's see.
hells_half_acre
May. 26th, 2016 04:24 pm (UTC)
Re: Still processing.
I know Jared expressed interest in going to episode 300, which would, I think lead them to S14 being the last (or S13 and an extra half), which would give Dabb 3 seasons as Showrunner, which would be one more than Gamble and one less than Carver. Though, I don't know how much Jared was serious about that.

It'll definitely be interesting to see where they go in S12.

And yes, I agree with you that the ending felt a little easy - that it needed, perhaps, more interwoven build up earlier on. But, I also really like the fact that a Winchester didn't actually HAVE to sacrifice themselves for all of humanity - and that they've learned that talking about their problems solves them. ;)
Romina M.
May. 27th, 2016 12:09 am (UTC)
Re: Still processing.
I know in several Cons J2 have expressed they will continue with SPN as long as fans are invested on it. And if were for me, would last years, but all what I ask is well done and interesting plots. And maybe if Jared said he wanted a 300 episode, Amara's plot could have last longer.
You know, isn't like the MoL don't get my attention, it does, but compared to God and The Darkness, is...how do I say it? Doesn't look that powerful; so is why it gives me a vibe the guys will finally solve their personal issues, and where Mary gets in. So yeah, we have to relax and see what S12 brings :D
liliaeth
May. 27th, 2016 03:10 am (UTC)
Re: Still processing.
You know, isn't like the MoL don't get my attention, it does, but compared to God and The Darkness, is...how do I say it? Doesn't look that powerful; so is why it gives me a vibe the guys will finally solve their personal issues, and where Mary gets in. So yeah, we have to relax and see what S12 brings :D

This is actually I think exactly what they're going for.
How to put this, they just fought God's sister, anything that comes after that, trying to top it, would just end up looking ridiculous.
So instead of trying to top the awesomeness of the threat, they went with something smaller, something more personal, which will hopefully be more character based and root back to something I for one greatly missed from the earlier seasons, the boys dealing with unhelpful authority figures who got in the way, instead of helped.

An enemy that isn't actual one they can fight physically,not really since the MOL isn't evil, it's bureaucracy and basically tradition getting in the way of actually being useful.

I'd say the only flaw, is that they shouldn't have shown as much of British Tea Lady as they did. At least not in the finale. Keep them to the occasional teaser, maybe have alarms going off in Britain, show images related tot he MOL, maybe that wall with clippings on the Winchesters, and then end it with a group of MOL showing up to try and take Sam in.

You know, introduce the threat, instead of the person representing said threat.
But that's just me nitpicking, cause other than that, I did really like the idea of the MOL as the antagonists for next season.
Romina M.
May. 27th, 2016 04:18 am (UTC)
Re: Still processing.
You know I got your point, and didn't think in that way. This Toni girl said something about all what the Winchesters have done, and sounded like they have crossed the limits of the rules that MoL have; as if the Winchesters have to face the big bosses and receive a punishmet for it. Yeah, is bureaucracy, and guess my issue is the same as you, maybe I'm also nitpicking, you went from something big to something small. However, if S12 will be similar to the first seasons, with develope character included, I'm in.
backroadsspirit
May. 26th, 2016 05:31 pm (UTC)
Hey:)
Loved your review, you captured all the important points:)
Maybe I got this all wrong, but I got the impression that Dean was moved to wherever Mary is (not heaven and not hell, but someplace else?) and not that Amara brought her back to life. After all, he is suddenly in a forest instead of the garden and it´s dark instead of daylight, but I guess there could be a number of explanations for this.
Also, I would have LOVED to really get a Godless universe for exactly the same reason as you. It felt darker and more fitting, in my mind. Oh well:) Happy Hellatus, everyone:)

Edited at 2016-05-26 05:32 pm (UTC)
hells_half_acre
May. 26th, 2016 06:30 pm (UTC)
The friend that I was watching with thought the same thing - that maybe Dean was in limbo or somewhere not-earth. BUT...I think that it was actually earth, and that it was dark because Dean had been wandering around for a bit trying to figure out where he was. Mind you, I'm basing this solely on the idea that a)God wouldn't have left Dean stranded somewhere not-earth, and b)Amara promised to give him what he wanted sounded more like "permanently" rather than "in some weird between state that is fleeting and you might not know how to get out of."

But, again, that's just my opinion and I could very well be wrong!

Ah well, I guess we ARE in a Godless universe, as we've always had it, where it's Godless because God has "abandoned" us. So, that's something... but yeah, a true Godless universe would have been sweet. I guess I'll just settle for the one I live in. ;)
liliaeth
May. 27th, 2016 03:14 am (UTC)
Didn't they also show the sun go down in the scene right after Amara and Chuck leave on their trip, so it wouldn't be that odd for Dean to end up in night time.
pushistyj_koshk
May. 26th, 2016 08:07 pm (UTC)
Wait what?

I didn't hate as much as I hated a couple of previous episodes. It was a good end-of-season episode, not too angsty yet intriguing. I'm curious to see what the next season will be like.

Edited at 2016-05-26 08:15 pm (UTC)
pushistyj_koshk
May. 26th, 2016 08:49 pm (UTC)
Re: So, you'll be happy to hear that I've been drinking.

Yay! So happy for you! :)

* * *

Re: Cas tells us that Lucifer was "ripped out" and is "gone" but he doesn't say DEAD. He doesn't know where Lucifer went, but he doesn't know whether he's dead or alive either it seems.

No, he doesn't. So we have the what's her name with the British branch of the Men of Letters, Billie, Lucifer (also Michael and Gabriel are not dead), Mary (maybe also John), Rowena, Crowley, half-brother who no-one cares about. God, Darkness and Death on Hawaii with Jason Momoa probably. Who am I missing?

* * *

Re: So, Dean decides that now is the time to drink.

That's what I would be doing. Wouldn't you?

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Re: Meanwhile, in London, the news anchor on the telly says "observa-tory" instead of "observa-tree" which we thought dubious, though my friend agreed that perhaps there were parts of england that pronounced it the American way, but still DUBIOUS.

I didn't exactly hear it but my sources say it can be said with ə or without it [əbˈzəːvət(ə)ri] in British English :)

* * *

Re: She's holding him at gun point, but at this stage, Sam doesn't have much to lose, so he takes a gamble and stalks towards her, claiming that she's not going to shoot him. She does.

Did we hear a body drop? No, we did not.

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Re: Ultimately, I'd say that S11 started stronger than it finished.

Ditto.

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Can I just take a moment to say that I'm sick and tired of clean Impala? We've had it since episode 200. Come on! Cars tend to get dirty!!!

Edited at 2016-05-26 08:50 pm (UTC)
hells_half_acre
May. 26th, 2016 09:13 pm (UTC)
Who am I missing?

Crowley's son. Donna, Jodi and the two teens.

That's what I would be doing. Wouldn't you?

Seeing as how I was tipsy when I wrote the review - highly likely.

Did we hear a body drop? No, we did not.

Yeah, that's why I'm thinking that he might be captured, rather than killed. :)

Can I just take a moment to say that I'm sick and tired of clean Impala? We've had it since episode 200. Come on! Cars tend to get dirty!!!

I guess the benefits of having a garage where you can wash it before you go out on every hunt. Though, I will point out that the car got pretty dirty in Baby this year.
shadowsong26
May. 26th, 2016 10:54 pm (UTC)
I didn’t really pick up on the ambiguity of Lucifer being ‘gone’ while I was watching, but that does make a lot of sense, now that you point it out. Especially because I felt Lucifer’s disappearance/death was sort of anticlimactic in a weird way? Like, he’s been a major villain (if not the major villain) in three seasons now, technically, and it just felt sort of…maybe rushed is more the word I’m looking for? Was definitely very happy to see Cas there and intact, though.

I loved pretty much every moment involving Rowena in this episode. Especially when they got back to the Bunker and she and Chuck were bonding and Crowley was rolling his eyes and drinking in the background.

I liked the new Woman of Letters! Although I was a little sad that her family tree didn’t provide us any new information. That would’ve been cool. Ah, well, she was kind of awesome. And the scene with her saying goodbye to her son was I’m pretty sure exactly staged the same way as Henry saying goodbye to John? I’d have to rewatch S8 to be sure. Anyway, I thought it was a nice touch.

I don’t know what it says about me and/or the show, but when they were talking about building the bomb and putting it in Dean, my first reaction was ‘but wait, isn’t it Sam’s turn to die this year?’

Agreed with everything you said about the ghosts/asylum. Also, I love how Dean’s mocking impression of Rowena was completely wrong—all Irish-isms instead of Scots. And Sam just gave him this look like, ‘do I call him on this? I feel like I should tell him if he’s going to make fun of her he should at least get the country right…but we have shit to do so I’ll just glare at him for a second.’

I love Billie just in general. And agreed about her flirting with Crowley.

The goodbyes in the graveyard were very sweet.

Definitely liked the Earth being officially placed in Sam and Dean’s hands. And I thought the effect of Amara’s smoke and Chuck’s glowy stuff swirling off together was very nice. I had a little moment of ‘JUST THIS ONCE, EVERYBODY LIVES!’ and then that was (maybe) proven wrong. It’ll be interesting to see whether Sam ends up a prisoner or in the Empty. Either way could be cool. But I’m definitely hoping for more Billie next year, because she’s awesome.

In general, the last thirty seconds were pretty damn epic, yes.

I think I agree with you, that this season started a lot stronger than it finished. I mentioned specifically Lucifer’s departure above, but I think a lot of the last couple episodes felt a little rushed? Which meant a lot of really cool, really intricate setup with a somewhat unsatisfying payoff.

I actually am looking forward to seeing what they do with the other MoL chapters, but I feel like Toni’s introduction could have been handled a little better—it didn’t come quite as far out of left field as what’s-his-name, the immortal guy Rowena killed at the end of last season, but it was headed in that direction.

Definitely agreed on Mary’s resurrection being a very cool twist. I’m not sure whether it’d be more interesting if she knows (at least some of) what’s going on, or if she’s got exactly the same knowledge she died with. Either way, I like the concept!

And absolutely 1000% agreed that part of what made this season work so well was that the boys were communicating again. Fingers crossed that’ll keep up in S12!
hells_half_acre
May. 26th, 2016 11:17 pm (UTC)
I don’t know what it says about me and/or the show, but when they were talking about building the bomb and putting it in Dean, my first reaction was ‘but wait, isn’t it Sam’s turn to die this year?’

Hahahaha! It's funny because I had a similar thought.

And yes to everything you said about Dean's imitation of Rowena and the look Sam gives him. What I love about that scene too is that we know Jensen can do a scottish accent, so that's Jensen being like "what is the worst way someone could do a scottish accent?" And he is correct. :P

It’ll be interesting to see whether Sam ends up a prisoner or in the Empty. Either way could be cool. But I’m definitely hoping for more Billie next year, because she’s awesome.

I'm also hoping for more Billie next year, but perhaps a little less of a deus ex machina. That being said, I really think Sam's a prisoner - though, I'm basing that on nothing. So who knows.

I think I agree with you, that this season started a lot stronger than it finished. I mentioned specifically Lucifer’s departure above, but I think a lot of the last couple episodes felt a little rushed? Which meant a lot of really cool, really intricate setup with a somewhat unsatisfying payoff.

Yeah, part of me kind of thinks that they should really start writing the finale's first and then ACTUALLY working up to them, instead of whatever the heck they are doing now, which seems to be deciding around the 19th episode of the year that they should maybe figure out how they're going to wrap things up.

Agreed about Mary! Disagree about the other MoL Chapters, because of the reasons above - but hey, you can't please everyone and there was bound to be a storyline eventually that I didn't love. :P In any case, I'm interested to see where Dabb intends to go with it, even if I might not enjoy the ride.

Thanks for chatting to me here week to week! It's always fun. :)

borgmama1of5
May. 27th, 2016 12:36 am (UTC)
I don't think anything could top 11.20 and the Chuck/Metatron scenes...This was definitely better than the two just previous, though. It is pretty obvious that the British MOL chick was an idea hatched very recently so there wasn't time to set it up slowly--think on how Rowena was introduced, a shot at the very end of 9.03 where we saw her sitting in a hotel room with 2 bodies dripping blood from the ceiling, and no explanation for another couple episodes. Really wonder why they waited until the end of the world to come after the Winchesters, though--they should have been up in arms from the release of the Darkness. I mean, if the world was going to end, what's the point of stopping them now?

But I do like how they left Sam thinking Dean was dead, and Dean is going to have to deal with Sam being MIA...I hope they do something good with Mary, not just have her be a ghost-like creature whose presence causes more grief...it would be pretty cool if she rejoined the hunting world or joined Jody's Wayward Daughters!
hells_half_acre
May. 27th, 2016 07:01 pm (UTC)
Really wonder why they waited until the end of the world to come after the Winchesters, though--they should have been up in arms from the release of the Darkness. I mean, if the world was going to end, what's the point of stopping them now?

No kidding. Sort of super bizarre.

.I hope they do something good with Mary, not just have her be a ghost-like creature whose presence causes more grief...it would be pretty cool if she rejoined the hunting world or joined Jody's Wayward Daughters!

Agreed!!
supernutjapan
May. 27th, 2016 02:27 am (UTC)
First of all, I loved it, even with all the sappy lines :D Best scenes at the bunker after Rowena tells Dean that he will be carrying the bomb inside him, and the graveyard scene. The suspense of the last scene was pretty good as well. The idea of souls came from Cas. He would know, since he had a whole bunch in him LOL

I had the same thought about the souls being used as a bomb. Those souls in the veil were actual people, so...? Isn't it wrong to use them without their consent? Or... maybe they just give out power and not necessarily die?

I also thought of Dean and Mary rescuing Sam :D I can just see Sam going, "am I dead?" when they find him <3 Hope Mary gets some clothes first though, LOL The poor lady always having to appear in her nightie.

Some people have suggested though that Toni is probably not as competent as all that and Sam may not have to be rescued. Well either way, her kissing her son goodbye is sure to mean that she will be in the story for a while (she's contracted for the whole of Season 12 so we'll be seeing a lot of her I guess). I'm looking forward to the Winchesters getting the British MoL... or at least Toni... on their side <3

I also noticed Baby's engine was loud - and I kinda liked it... like it reminded me that Baby was there too, if you know what I mean.

Edited at 2016-05-27 02:31 am (UTC)
hells_half_acre
May. 27th, 2016 07:00 pm (UTC)
Maybe the bomb was just about letting all the souls out at once - having them in a concentrated place = very bright. But that was all Dean was doing - letting them out, rather than destroying them.

I'm sure first thing Dean's going to do (if Mary is indeed back) is buy her some clothes! lol

And very good point about Toni. The only reason Sam would have to be rescued is if he's injured too greatly or they bind him up magically - other than that, well, we've see the Winchesters escape from pretty much every law enforcement in the past.

And yes.. Baby was obviously agreeing with everything Dean said to Cas.
shayheyred
May. 27th, 2016 04:55 pm (UTC)
I was apprehensive at the start of the season because initially Amara did not grab me, and I was worried that the show had run its course. But slowly it crept up on me and by the time Cas let Lucifer in I was hooked again. I agree that the season peaked in late middle and had a slight let down near the end, but it was still riveting in its own way. I actually gasped when Metatron stayed behind to fight Amara and sacrificed himself. It was a season of people behaving in ways opposite to their usual behavior - just look at the end, with that Team Anti-Amara comprised of a demon, a witch, two hunters, the Devil, an angel with the Devil inside, a ruthless reaper -- really creative thinking. And the other thing that I enjoyed was the Amara - Dean dynamic, present from episode 1. How do you kill an adversary you can't (or won't) kill? Fascinating.
hells_half_acre
May. 27th, 2016 06:56 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I'm often apprehensive and then it all turns out alright - so I'm sure the same will be for S12. In anycase, even if the storylines don't grab me and I don't like the big bad (such as in S7), I'm always captivated by Jared and Jensen's acting and the relationship between the brothers - so there's always SOMETHING for me to enjoy, even if it's not everything. :)

Anyway, I can't remember now what my thoughts were going into S11 - but I'm sure that the season was way more riveting than I thought it was going to be.

And I agree about the dynamic between Dean and Amara being interesting, in terms of how to kill an adversary that you can't kill... I kind of wish they had stressed that theme a little more, because Sam laid it out in the first episode - that they have to focus on SAVING not killing - which in the end is what Dean did. He saved Amara, and in doing so saved God and the world. It was pretty great.
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