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Daredevil Season 2

In anticipation of seen Elden Henson at ECCC this coming weekend, I binge watched S2 of Daredevil over the past few days.

Here are some random thoughts:

[Spoiler (click to open)]- Last year, with S1, I did a "hero" edit of the show - where I cut out all of Fisk's storyline and just followed Matt, Foggy, Karen, and Ben. I think if I were to edit S2, I would do a "Foggy+Karen" edit. It'd strip the show down considerably... but in truth, those were the only two storylines that I really enjoyed watching. I think I have a thing for my heroes being in the dark... or, my heroes working within society rather than outside of it or something. I haven't figured out yet what I find compelling and what I don't - but yeah, Foggy and Karen's storyline were the only ones that I was actually interested in. (I know that I have no interest in villains - so my S1 edit choices came as no surprise.)

- I'm not a fan at all of Matt/Karen. I didn't even really realize until it was briefly canon - but, just no. I like them as friends, but that's it. It'll be interesting how it moves forward into S3.

- Man, the ending was depressing in terms of the future of Nelsen and Murdock. I LOVE Foggy, and I know that Matt would never actually leave his right-hand man for long - but, MAN, I really want S3 to be one giant reunification fic... and in the meantime, I hope to read a lot of reunification fic.

- Charlie Cox's body is on point. The suit doesn't do much for me, but the rare scenes we saw with him half naked or in jeans... yeah, nice to look at.

- I was thinking about it and I think it would have been really cool if they had genderswapped Frank Castle and Elektra. I just find female superheroes to be kinda cliche - but if you made them a man, they wouldn't be anymore. Likewise, it'd be cool to see a woman go down the Punisher route - just this hench marine woman, taking no prisoners. 100% more compelling. Of course, if you genderswapped Elektra, the whole love-history between her and Matt wouldn't work anymore.. so, FINE. Because Matt could only be THAT stupid for someone he loved (and as much as I love reading Matt/Foggy fic, I don't actually headcanon a queer Matt.)

- And I'm not trying to say that Frank Castle wasn't compelling. I kinda feel like they could have just focused the whole season on him and I'd have been happier.

- Turns out, I'm really not a fan of ninja-conspiracy storylines. I much preferred S1 enemy - gentrification. I could relate more.

- Also, ninja-conspiracy storylines just... it's just more stereotypical asian roles. It's annoying. There's not one asian person on that show that is NOT part of the Japanese mafia or a ninja (or part of the Chinese mafia). It's ridiculous.

- I found that every episode, Matt was contradicting what he said in the previous episode. "Choose me, not stick! Change who you are!" "You can't change who you are! Go back to Stick" (IT HAD LITERALLY BEEN FIVE MINUTES), "No, choose me AND Stick I know you, and you are secretly a good person!" ... or "We corrupt each other. We're no good together" to "Run away with me!" or... when Matt tells Fisk that he'll only be able to visit Vanessa because Fisk would never leave New York, because he's like Matt and it's in his blood. And then Matt is telling Elektra that they'll run away together, even though he's never been further north than 104th st. I mean, that was probably SUPPOSED to be a parallel... but honestly. I guess maybe it was meant to signify Matt's decent into madness/isolation/confusion... but, it'd have been nice if someone actually called him out on it, even if it was himself.

- So... is Matt really under the delusion that he's never killed anyone? That whole storyline doesn't make sense. YES, he doesn't point blank shoot people in the head - but not everyone in those hallway/stairwell fights are going to survive. And in S1 he once through someone off a roof and didn't actually seem THAT concerned whether he lived or died. Nor did he always call the cops to come get the bodies/injured. The sudden claiming that he doesn't murder people and that he always has to call the police was a little far-fetched. Matt has morals, but not REALLY... I guess he justifies it as self-defense - but in that case, he REALLY shouldn't get mad at Elektra for slitting that kid's throat. The kid knew where Matt lived. But whatever... I guess Matt has to tell himself a lot of lies to sleep at night, what with being catholic and all.

-That's the other thing - why bring fake eastern religious cults into the show when you have the perfect protagonist to explore actual western religions and their consequences. I really liked that aspect of S1 too, and it was COMPLETELY absent this season. Disappointing.



In conclusion - Okay, but not as good a S1. I'm interested to see where S3 goes in terms of the personal relationships in the show, but I have absolutely no interest in the direction that the plot is heading.

Comments

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jeymien
Apr. 6th, 2016 05:01 pm (UTC)
Season 2 for me - I came out of it wanting Frank/Karen. That was the real relationship that I saw developing. Matt practically forgot about Karen the moment that Elektra showed up... I didn't see that Matt/Karen at all...
hells_half_acre
Apr. 6th, 2016 05:50 pm (UTC)
Well, I mean the Matt/Karen was there until Matt forgot about Karen - and I was glad he did, because I didn't like the Matt/Karen.

But yeah, Karen/Frank was awesome, and I'd definitely want to see where that went. More importantly though, I loved that scene in the diner where Frank gives Karen love-advice. I would watch a whole series of the Punisher giving people advice on their love lives in diners. :)
jeymien
Apr. 6th, 2016 06:42 pm (UTC)
Yeah, that's exactly it. Matt forgot about Karen. How do you make that a romance when he forgets all about her for half the episodes. I realize Elektra's a hot mess and all but... yeah. That's why I am not shipping them. Hell, season 1 I shipped Karen/Foggy, now I'm all about Karen/Frank. There was so much chemistry between the two of them. I've already read a bunch of Karen/Frank fanfic...
Frank is so good at advice. He's the guy who has seen it all. That diner scene was incredible, yep.
hells_half_acre
Apr. 6th, 2016 07:16 pm (UTC)
I think you and I are talking about two different things when we talk about Matt/Karen. I'm saying that I'm not a fan of it, and didn't like the show going there, even as briefly as they did. I'm not sure what you mean - I guess...shipping them? I'm saying that I don't ship them and would prefer not to have seen them attempt a relationship in the show, even though it was super brief. Though, I do like watching Charlie Cox make out with people, so that was one bonus.

I could definitely see Karen/Frank, but I'd only seriously ship them at some point in the future when there's been a bit more time for Frank to recover from the loss of his family... but then that's me, and I'm super into people being emotionally stable before they jump each others bones.

I liked the flashbacks to what Matt/Elektra USED to be, because I think that's a side of Matt that's super interesting and that we've never seen before - but I'm not a fan of them currently. Mainly because I don't like storylines where the female love interest is volatile and sometimes a bad guy.... but yeah, that's neither here nor there and completely a personal preference.
jeymien
Apr. 7th, 2016 02:41 pm (UTC)
Ah, probably yeah, I'm sort of talking 'shipping I guess. It's obvious they want to go in the Matt/Karen ship direction, unless that ending was just Matt finally bringing another friend into the secret. And yes, I do agree with the shipping of Karen/Frank - he obviously needs a lot more time. But that's the connection I saw for future possibilities.
I agree on the Matt/Elektra - he was super interesting during the flashbacks, she not as much, but at the same point she was what it all revolved around. Elektra currently - well, not sure what that final scene is going to mean for her going forward, but hot mess, not shipping at all... :)
hells_half_acre
Apr. 7th, 2016 03:26 pm (UTC)
Yup! Agreed on everything. :)
kailita
Jul. 23rd, 2016 07:06 pm (UTC)
I just finished Season 2 this week! :)

Not as good as season 1, but I did enjoy it!

"And I'm not trying to say that Frank Castle wasn't compelling. I kinda feel like they could have just focused the whole season on him and I'd have been happier."

My thoughts exactly. I think everything with the Hand was a VERY dated callback to the comics, and that plotline really did not translate to a modern reimagining of the story. Not to mention all the racist undertones. :( But I loved everything with Frank Castle. I thought Jon Bernthal brought such compelling complexity to that role. (I have loved and missed him since his Walking Dead days.) It was a sad/interesting decision for his connection with Karen to ultimately not be strong enough to affect his actions (in the last couple of episodes). I really enjoyed that relationship, whether it was romantic or not. (Especially that diner scene! Yes!) I enjoy Karen a lot more when she's building connections with people through her compassion and her wits, and that's her contribution to the team, instead of doing crazy things like breaking into people's houses and sneaking into crime scenes, etc.

Claire continues to be the MOST USEFUL love interest to ever love interest! I adore her. She's so damn reasonable. Matt should endeavor to deserve her. ;)

Do you have any interest in Jessica Jones? It's dark, and a little squicky for some people, but I found it to be a fascinating portrayal of trauma and empowerment, and there are several great Marvel/Daredevil crossover moments.
hells_half_acre
Jul. 24th, 2016 03:17 am (UTC)
I completely agree about Jon Bernthal. He was amazing and that scene with Karen and him in the diner was awesome. I also completely agree about Karen.

Claire is awesome-sauce. Matt does not deserve her, but it would be well within his best interests to strive towards that goal. I think she's going to have a larger role on Luke Cage, unless that rumour was debunked without my knowledge.

I watched the first episode of Jessica Jones, but unfortunately it was just too rapey for me. I spent roughly 6 years at job where we dealt with sexual assault cases involving minors, and... well, I'm not saying I could stomach it before, but I really can't stomach it now, you know? So, it's not PTSD type thing from some horrific experience in my past, thankfully - but it's a "I can't take anymore of this" type thing. It's like, after studying the Holocaust, I couldn't stand watching Holocaust films.

I hear fantastic things about Jessica Jones though, and I've seen a lot of gif-sets! And I'm really glad the show did well. Maybe their plotline for S2 will revolve around a different type of enemy, and I'll be able to watch.

The trailer for Luke Cage came out today too, and I'm interested in seeing what that's like. :)
kailita
Jul. 24th, 2016 04:30 am (UTC)
I totally get that. I wouldn't recommend it to everyone, for that very reason. I'm usually VERY turned off by anything in that ballpark, but the narrative was so focused on Jessica as a survivor that I was able to get behind it. Still, it's definitely the darkest Marvel series I've ever watched, by far.

I just saw the trailer for Luke Cage today, too! I'm very interested. :) He was fantastic.
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