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Quick Reaction: 11x11 Into the Mystic

Woot! That was a really nice episode. Man, Robbie Thompson always seems to knock it out of the park for me.

So, let's talk about it!

So, we begin in County Cork, Ireland, 30 years ago... which, by SPN-time would make it.. either early or late 1985. Wow, I'm old. But you know what's older? That little cottage the Irish family are living in. I find it hilarious that they went for traditional Irish cottage in 1985, but at the same time, the last time I was in Ireland was 2003 and it wan't like people didn't still live in traditional Irish cottages in the small towns, so it's not like they're WRONG.

Anyway, poor Irish family gets obliterated by a banshee except for the crying baby. And MAN, as much as I know it's needed for plot purposes, I really wish people would stop putting crying babies on TV - babies have EVOLVED to have the most annoying cries ever. I mean, seriously - it's times like these I'm glad I'm unlikely to ever be a parent.

Meanwhile, 30 years in the future and back at the Bunker, Sam is having bad dreams... haunted by what Lucifer said to him. No doubt, being back in the cage stirred up ALL SORTS of PTSD for poor Sam. Seriously, speaking of dumb plot points that they need to explain better (which we aren't even doing yet), I really wish they could have explained how Cas cured Sam of all the cage damage, because the guy SHOULD be a lot more messed up than he is, so, the fact that he's only a little messed up is amazing... anyway, I have my own headcanon about how Cas did it that only works if Cas is alive. As soon as he's dead, then my headcanon would mean that Sam would mentally break down completely again.

Anyway, that's super off topic.

You know how we can tell that Sam is suffering from cage damage? He's CLEANING HIS GUNS. I absolutely loved that back in the beginning of S7, that Sam's way of dealing with things was just to clean his guns excessively... and it makes such a great call-back here.

I think maybe what I love about Robbie Thompson's writing his Winchesters are always as honest as possible with each other - they don't brush EVERYTHING off, even if they are keeping some secrets. I like how Sam is just honest about the fact that he's not okay, that he's a bit messed up because of what seeing Lucifer made him remember... and I'm just realizing that I'm getting ahead of myself because that conversation doesn't happen until later.

So, there's a case 15 minutes away - so, I'm guessing it's still in Lebanon, KS. A guy has died suspiciously at a nursing home. Dean wants to go, Sam begrudgingly agrees as well.

Now, to Lustiel/Cassfer... I like Lustiel for the lols, but I agree that Casifer makes more sense, since so many names end in -iel, Casifer makes it clearer who we're portmanteauing... since Lucifer is the only character whose names ends in -ifer.

Lucifer is in a park, chillin' - when suddenly hot asian angel finds him! Oh, hot asian angel... you had so much going for you, good hair, spiffy coat - why did you have to go after Lucifer on your own and be exploded. Why!?! You were even unnamed. Is this even a score for diversity? Probably not... second week in a row that a hot asian angel has been tragically killed. You know, I don't know how angels reproduce, but hopefully SOMEHOW, otherwise they've gotta be endangered by now.

Anyway, I liked Lucifer's line of  "Lucifer ex machina" - nicely done, there.

But yeah, then in my notes it just says "exploderi" - because apparently when something is tragic, I add an i to the end. :P

Back to Sam and Dean. They are at the retirement home asking questions. We find out that the managers wife left him via text in a series of emojis... I mean, it's so ridiculous that you have to laugh, even though you feel kind of ashamed about it afterwards.

We find out that the victim was stealing other residents' viagra prescriptions - "Dick move" hehehe - and Dean POCKETS A BOTTLE! Dean! You are in the prime of life... though, I suppose psychological problems abound, so I will not judge. You get yours, Dean. I support you.

They figure that the it's such and such dude from the victim's past, come to seek revenge - so they go and burn his bones. And HERE Is where they have their heartfelt talk - because Sam, earlier, talked like they'd never live long enough to go out in a blaze of glory, whereas Dean would rather envision a time when they're old enough to retire, even if they don't necessary retire. Again, we have the story of the pessimist and the optimist traveling together, but with SPN, they switch those roles between them frequently.

And this is where Sam admits that he's just having a hard time after the Lucifer incident - remembering stuff that he thought he had forgot or moved passed. Dean, of course, being the tragic figure that he is, reassures Sam that Lucifer is locked away again and Sam will never have to see him... even though we all sadly know that's not true.

Meanwhile, poor Mildred at the retirement home is witnessing the manager get attacked and killed by a banshee. Whoever posed for the banshee for the VFX and SPX team has AMAZING back muscles... seriously, even all corpse-coloured, that is a sexy sexy back.

So, it's time to go back and talk to everyone again. This time, Sam spots a cleaning lady named Marlene and goes over to talk to her. And we find out she's deaf. And Sam has an awesome reaction, much like I've seen both Jared and Jensen do with deaf and hard-of-hearing fans at Cons... in that he doesn't speak louder, he speaks CLEARER and he makes sure to seperate his words so each one is distinct and look directly at her when speaking. So, awesome awesome all around - what I like about it is that they don't even do it the wrong way first, like a lot of shows do when they're trying to be correct, they'll have the main character first do the wrong thing, get chastised, and then do the right thing. I like how Sam just goes directly into the right thing - because it's really saying "no, there isn't an excuse for doing the wrong thing if you use your brain and have a bit of empathy." Also, it's way more believable for Sam to know the basics of how to interact with all sorts of people, given what his job is. I mean, we've seen Sam know enough stilted Spanish to get by, this isn't that different.

That being said, Sam DOES do the wrong thing when he goes to say thank you - and he accidentally tells her to fuck off, Italian-mob style... but I don't mind that so much, because it's hilarious rather than awkward, and when he's corrected, he's just like "oops!" in that cute Sam way of his.

Then "Marlene" reads their lips while they're talking... and that's SUSPICOUS. Also, I don't think she's on LJ anymore, but I did once have an LJ friend who was deaf, and in her experience Sam/Jared's lips were really hard to read, but Dean/Jensen's were easy.. because, in part, to the fullness of the lips, I think. Anyway, needless to say, Dean!girl. ;)

So, research time! And man, you know, there's a reason that Dean/Books is my OTP. There is something REALLY REALLY attractive about Dean when he's surrounded by research. Sam too, but for some reason to a much lesser extent. I think just because with Dean, it goes against the "trope" of his character - even though at this point we all know he's NOT the trope, I still get a thrill whenever he openly defies it.

Dean tells Sam we're dealing with a banshee, and Sam says "aren't banshees good?"

And we had to pause the episode here, because I had to immediately go into a rant about how SAM KNOWS ABOUT BANSHEES! He and John were doing a "banshee thing" in Florida when Dean had his roadtrip back in the 90s and spent a weekend with Lisa Braeden, roughly 9 months after which Ben was suspiciously born. So, maybe Sam and John weren't hunting a banshee, but instead following a "good" banshee around who was just doing the death omen thing.... but still, I just... had to have my canon continuity rant for a moment. Robbie's usually really good at it, so I'm sure he knows exactly why Sam didn't call it right away... or maybe Sam's memory just isn't as good as mine, but I doubt it.

Anyway, we find out that there are good banshees and bad banshees, and this is the latter. They pray on the "vulnerable", so they figure illness or heartbreak/mental-low and they can be killed with gold blades.

I love how Dean is like "I don't have any gold blades in the car, so I'll just whip home really fast and pick a few up." - I mean, GOLD BLADES! What even is their life! Where did they get them? Did they have them before they found the MoL Bunker? Were they just driving around all these years with huge chunks of solid gold? Did they keep them from the dragon stash? I WANT TO KNOW EVERYTHING.

I also love how when Dean gets to the Bunker - this HUGE BUILDING with LABYRINTHINE HALLWAYS, he gets to the bottom step and he's like "Wait. SOMEONE IS IN MY HOUSE!"

It turns out, that someone is Lucifer... so... seeing as how Lucifer knew how to find the bunker - I'm going to go ahead and assume that means that Cas is STILL IN the vessel. That Lucifer can either talk to him, or read his mind like he could a human owner. We'll see if I'm right, but that's the only thing that makes sense to me. Also, what is he looking for? Is he really looking for a spell to defeat Amara? Or is he looking for something else?! I'm really concerned about him rummaging through everything. Is he trying to find the Horseman rings? Does Dean even still have all four or did he give Death's back? I can't remember now. You can legit answer that, btw. Saves me having to look it up.

Meanwhile, back with Sam, he tells Mildred the truth about who he and Dean are - and Mildred is down with it, because she's seen a ghost before... and also probably doesn't want to be crazy.

Then in like, one sentence, Sam tells her that she is probably the next target of the banshee, and also that she should get some rest before the evening... um, Sam... maybe tell her to have a nap and then talk to her after? I don't know... just... I think I might have trouble sleeping if I knew I might die horrifically later that night.

Then Sam is like "hey, what do you know about the deaf staff member?" and Mildred is like "Who? I have a granddaughter whose deaf, if there was a deaf staff member, I'd be chatting with them! But there's only Marlene and she's on vacation." And Sam is like "Ooooo, shoot." BUT... do any of you know what made Sam so interested in "Marlene" in the first place? He walked over when he saw her fiddling with something on her cart, but I did not see what it was... I assume something suspicious?!

Also, Mildred is like the jackpot of backstory - has seen a ghost before so she believes them, happens to have a deaf relative so would notice and welcome a deaf cleaning lady... oh Mildred, you are a little too perfect, but I forgive you, because you also have good taste in men.

So, then we get Sam trying to track down "Marlene" and my friend was like "She's the banshee!" and I was like "nope, she's the baby!" And I WAS RIGHT! "Marlene" thinks that Sam is the banshee and that the monster has stepped up it's game and is taking human form. And she has traps set up! And they're awesome because they also work ON PEOPLE! That's cool. Sam let's her test him and basically discovers that she's another Hunter. So awesome!

So, "Marlene" is Aileen (Eileen? I'm not sure what spelling their going with - there are multiple for that name.) Probably Eileen? I think that's the most Americanized spelling. And she IS the baby, and the banshee killed BOTH her parents, but she was rescued by a Hunter named Lillian... and man, I love that she's a female hunter raised/trained by a female hunter. And like a weird combination of Dean and Sam, she's been in the life since she was baby and was raised to be a hunter from birth... also, not only that, but we find out that she too is a legacy of the Men of Letters. Her Grandfather was a MoL... awesome! It makes me wonder if there's something about being a men of letters that means the supernatural is drawn to you and your life sucks. :P Hahah

Back with Dean and Casifer - we get the truly heartbreaking scenes of the episode, because Dean CONFIDES in Lucifer, thinking that he's confiding in his BFF... but it's really THE DEVIL. Awww... I mean, on the one hand it's so nice that Dean has a friend that he feels he can confide in, when he probably has big-brother psychosis preventing him from confiding in Sam yet because he doesn't want to admit to being weak/vulnerable/compromised.

My friend said, "so much for the profound bond" when Dean didn't notice that Cas wasn't really Cas... but then we all agreed that it would be worse writing-wise, if Lucifer sucked at impressions. I mean, Lucifer is a formidable threat and a trickster-character, if he couldn't pull off the impersonation well, then that would be unbelievable. But, even with Lucifer's good acting skills, Dean still gets a little thrown when "Cas" earnestly puts his hand on Dean's shoulder. Now, that bit was in the preview last week, so I've already seen a few fan theories about how it's because Cas always touches the LEFT shoulder usually, but here he touches the right one. But, it could also just be that Cas very rarely touches Dean to begin with... so, just the gesture itself seems weird to Dean. But, who knows... the point is - profound bond comes through in the end, and Dean DOES sense something weird, even if it's not enough to tip him off completely.

Sam phones Dean to get him to double-check Eileen's story and fill him in on the fact that they have another Hunter working the case. While Sam is on the phone, we get an awesome conversation between Mildred and Eileen, with them jokingly/or-maybe-not dividing the boys between them. I LOVE Mildred's line of how Eileen can have the tall one because Mildred's "mountain climbing" days are over. (or however she puts it exactly).

Sam and Dean have their own conversation about how Mildred keeps coming onto Dean, and Dean says he doesn't mind it, because he always had a thing for Blanche on the Golden Girls. Sam admits to liking Sophia. I look forward to the meta this will generate.

While they wait for Dean to come back. Sam has a talk with Eileen about revenge - concerned that she's going down a road that is only going to lead to disappointment. It's a really good scene, and I wish I could remember more about it... but yeah, basically, I think Eileen talks about how there was a time she wanted to go to school (law school too?) and Sam tells her a little of his own story and talks about how he was going to go to law school, but now can't see himself as anything but a Hunter - though he admits that he would not do it without his brother.

Dean shows up and they all get introduced... and then Mildred takes Dean aside to show him the sunset and put the moves on him. It's awesome. I LOVED her "It's almost as gorgeous as you are" pick-up line. Smooth, Mildred... and I loved Dean's barking laugh of a reaction. I mean, really, when has anyone told Dean he's gorgous though? It's usually just monsters using it as a feminizing-insult to his masculinity and/or a threat of unwanted sexual agression. Here, it's sincere and also a harmless flirtation.

Mildred tells Dean that the secret to a long life is to follow your heart. Awww.... and then she has another great line, when he tells her that her hand is still on his knee, she says "I could move it up?" And yup, I love it. I'm not going to lie, I want some Dean/Mildred action. I think she's treat him well.

Then the Banshee attacks! But it's not going after Mildred! It's going after Dean!

And I gotta admit, I didn't see that coming. I knew it probably wouldn't go after Mildred - but Sam was so down in the dumps this episode, that I thought maybe it'd go after him. Pray on his guilt for getting things wrong or his PTSD or something... but nope, it attacts Dean.

The thing that I don't understand is that there are TWO other hunters in the room and yet neither of them run to one of the symbols and wait to trap the banshee - instead they both run towards Dean. Dudes, leave SOMEONE by the wall!

The banshee can throw people too, so Eileen gets thrown into  bookcase and Sam gets thrown a differnet way, and then it's all up to Mildred to use the trap. I was super worried that Eileen wouldn't get the kill - that after introducing her and making her an awesome (and diverse character) with great potential for return, they'd then ruin it by making her fail in the hunt (as they often did with Garth, who had the running joke of being knocked out in every boss fight) - but I shouldn't have doubted Robbie, because she might have failed at using the traps sooner, but Eileen does get to kill the banshee and get her revenge. Yay!

Then it's just the end scene.... and guys, guys, guys... SAM HAS MADE A FRIEND!!!! I mean, I don't want to get too excited, because maybe she'll never return... or maybe like Robbie's other awesome female character, she'll be killed off horribly by other writers, but I WOULD LOVE IT IF SHE WOULD RETURN AND BE SAM'S FRIEND FOREVER! I just want Sam to have friends, you guys.

Sam and Eileen have an adorable conversation about how the revenge just felt like another Hunt to Eileen... and she's just going to keep hunting. And Sam tells her that if she ever wants to know about the MoL or need help, or even just wants to "hang out", that she should call him... and Eileen is like, well, you can call too, or you can't, because I won't answer. And it's adorable... and I want all the Sam+Eileen BFF4va Texting Fics.

Seriously, I just want Sam to have a friend!

Walking behind them are Dean and Mildred. Mildred tells Dean that she thought it was worth a shot to get with him, but she's lived long enough to tell when someone is pining over somebody else. And my goodness, the destiel shippers are going to have so much fun with that line that I almost feel bad that the vibe she's picking up on is PROBABLY Dean's weird supernatural attatchment to Amara. I'd love it if it were Cas though, I would... I'm just pessimistic about the show ever actually going there. Also, having it be Amara is WAY more sinister, which is usually the route the show chooses.

The button scene is back in the bunker - with Sam in the kitchen and Dean walking in. And I LOVE how Jared and Jensen are working in their awesome blind throwing skills... because Sam does a wonderful blind over the shoulder throw to Dean with a can of beer.

Then they're HONEST WITH EACH OTHER. And seriously, I love Robbie Thompson episodes so much.

Dean thinks there's something off about Cas. Sam points out that there's ALWAYS something off about Cas, and optimistically assures Dean that he's probably fine and just spooked by Lucifer like Sam was... but that they'll keep an eye on him. Awww.

Then Sam tells Dean that he was right, which Dean loves hearing. But Sam goes on to admit how he still feels guilty over not looking for Dean when Dean was in Purgatory. Dean immediately reassures Sam that he's already long-since forgiven him, that it's in the past, and that all that matters is that they're together now. Awww... (I would have preferred if Dean said something about understanding WHY Sam didn't look for Dean, just because I feel like we still haven't had an adequate explanation for that OOC behaviour... but whatever, if they never explain it, I can continue to headcanon "psychotic break brought on by grief and a really rough year")

Sam thanks him and then goes to get some sleep - but pauses before he leaves the room to ask Dean why the banshee would go after DEAN, if it's supposed to go after the vulnerable. And Iove how Sam doesn't understand because he doesn't understand how Dean could be vulnerable... like, he could say "why did it go after you? Is it because of X? or your issue with X?" but instead he's genuinely mystified. Dean just says that it was because he was with Mildred and the Banshee recognized him as a threat... but, once Sam leaves, we see that Dean doesn't believe that.

Dean IS vulnerable... but WHY?! Is it because of his weird connection to Amara? Is it because he's feeling GUILTY about his weird connection to Amara? Is it because of something else?! I'm curious.. hopefully it's not because he has cancer. I thought that was interesting in Eileen's backstory - how Lillian, her guardian and Hunting mentor, died of cancer rather than anything supernatural related. Anyway, I'm sure that was just a "not everyone goes out in a blaze of glory" point and not a "the Winchesters could die of something mundane" point. :P )

Then we see that Sam has a little momento case! It's cute! He puts the brochure for the retirement home in it. Awww.... is he saving it just in case he and Dean ever get to old age? Or is it to remember where he met his new BFF Eileen (seriously, Give Sam a Friend 2016)... or is it just a momento like any other momento.

It's sleepy time for the Winchesters, and we see that Sam is now sleeping soundly, because he apologized to Dean for not looking for him (yet again) and feels better about that failure... but poor Dean isn't sleeping soundly at all, because he didn't come clean to Sam about the weird Amara connection, or why he REALLY thinks the banshee came after him. Poor Dean.

Next week looks great too! I don't know who's writing it, but hopefully it's someone good!

Comments

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liliaeth
Jan. 28th, 2016 08:54 am (UTC)
I just love Eileen (or however you're supposed to spell her name), and I do hope we get her back. (preferably in another Robbie Thompson ep, can he please take over as showrunner, pretty please, he's so much better at the characters than any other writer on the show)

I did wonder if the actress playing her was deaf or hard of hearing herself,but either way, it was awesome to get a disabled hunter who's still awesome.

Also, I think I may be darkshipping Dean/Luifer now.
hells_half_acre
Jan. 28th, 2016 09:11 am (UTC)
(preferably in another Robbie Thompson ep, can he please take over as showrunner, pretty please, he's so much better at the characters than any other writer on the show)

Agreed 10,000x!

I did wonder if the actress playing her was deaf or hard of hearing herself,but either way, it was awesome to get a disabled hunter who's still awesome.

I looked her up and she is! She's 4th generation deaf! So, I guess it must be an inherited thing. It's awesome to have more positive diversity on the show, and even more awesome that they made sure to hire someone who is a member of the deaf community themselves. :)

Also, I think I may be darkshipping Dean/Luifer now.

Haha, as long as it's a darkship, I can certainly see why you might. ;)



liliaeth
Jan. 28th, 2016 10:09 am (UTC)
I kinda liked that they had Sam be bad at ASL. Especially since the actors themselves don't know it, so we get saved from people complaining about how the ASL made no sense ;-)

It was cool that he took a class in it, but he's rusty, which is understandable. I mean, I understand some German, due to classes in school, but don't ask me to have a conversation in it, because it's been over twenty years. Sam's been out of college for over ten years now (and that's not even counting his over a century in hell), that's a long time not to have practiced a language. Especially one you don't commonly run into.

But I have to admit, I lay a lot of my issues with the past few seasons of spn on Carver's door. I think it might be long time for him to hand over the reigns, and if he does so, Thompson would be the best choice as a successor.
hells_half_acre
Jan. 28th, 2016 06:02 pm (UTC)
Yes, I liked that too. I'm at the same point with German. I studied it in University, my degree is a joint history-German studies degree, and yet, it's been over ten years now... and yeah, I can still read German okay, and I can follow the basic plot of a German movie, and I can listen in (a little) on German conversations, but ask me to speak it and I forget even the simplest of words and grammar.

I agree that I think Robbie is the strongest contender if someone were to replace Carver. Sadly, Robbie also has Silk to write, and has his toe in the Marvel world, I'm not sure he'd take the job even if it was offered - because it's probably more work than he wants to commit to. Still, we can dream.

khek
Jan. 29th, 2016 12:35 am (UTC)
I wonder if Dee...whatever her last name is... also knows ASL. Because she her movements were pretty smooth, and seemed fluid, at least according to a coworker of mine who has a deaf son and is fluent because of that. I was impressed, anyway!

I liked Eileen and hope they bring her back. I would have guessed though, from the clothes her parents were wearing and the background of the cottage, that she would have been about 55 years old! (My TV cut off the time, so I thought that the first scene took place in the mid-to-late- 50s)

Thanks for the write up!
hells_half_acre
Jan. 29th, 2016 01:17 am (UTC)
True, I didn't even really register the clothes - but you're right. They weren't very well suited to the 1985s, I don't think. :P

Cool about Dee's sign language.
borgmama1of5
Jan. 28th, 2016 12:49 pm (UTC)
Dean POCKETS A BOTTLE!

I totally missed that! LOL! Guess Dean wants it 'just in case'? (For Amara?)

This was a very solid episode--Robbie Thompson better never leave!!!

Dean confiding in Casifer hurt because we know who it really is, and because if it had really been Cas this would have been a very positive thing, for Dean to come clean to someone about Amara's power over him. Man, did Luci do a good Cas impression--I totally believed it was him, and I was watching for anything that would clue Dean in that it wasn't Cas. His spontaneous explanation of what he was looking for in the bunker unfortunately made complete sense..and I am disturbed at how quickly Casifer thought Dean's link to Amara could be used to lure her because I don't think Dean's survival of another encounter is a priority for Casifer.

Of course the person Dean really needs to tell is Sam...but he can't quite do that, can he, because he's still 'big brother' and has to make sure Sam is okay, which translates in Dean's mind to not burdening Sam with something else to worry about when Sam is struggling himself. It's frustrating because it's pretty much guaranteed to come back and bite them, but it's unfortunately in character...

Sam answering the 'you okay' question honestly--that was huge! And then Dean asks if Sam wants to talk about it--actually inviting his brother to have a chick-flick moment! Sam had several really good scenes touching on what he was feeling/had felt in the past (talking with Aileen) and his apology to Dean about not looking for him in Purgatory--again, kudos to Robbie for giving us such great moments! (So show acknowledges that they blew the Amelia story arc, but they're not going to let Sam actually verbalize he thought Dean was safe in heaven/Sam had a breakdown because that would be giving fans too much...grrr...)

The beer can throw moment was just beautiful...those guys!

I could have done with a little less 'lecherous old lady' but at least she was a bit classier in her approach than the cougars in the 'Clue' episode...and her sign language discussion of divvying the boys up with Aileen was pretty funny...

As soon as she told Dean to follow his heart, and then again at the end said she could tell his heart belonged to someone else, I jumped to Amara--Destiel never even crossed my mind, and I am pretty sure Amara is what the show wants us to worry about, given Dean's confession to Casifer.

I am holding out for Dean's rejection of Amara to be what ends her! (And I want Robbie Thompson to write that episode!)

I am sure that is why Dean was the vulnerable one as well--the Amara connection is preying on his mind and he is disturbed by it.

I agree with everything you said about Sam interacting with Aileen as a deaf person--so very nice that it wasn't yukked up, just treated matter-of-factly. And I love show for using a deaf actress. (Off topic but related--I heard on the radio that they cast a white British actor to play Michael Jackson in a new movie--REALLY?!?)

Aileen should end up at Jody's and join the Wayward Daughters!

Then the final scene--we have seen Dean's little collection of happy photos--who knew that Sam had his own little box of happy memories too?

But Dean can't sleep...and the way Jensen had Dean look/act really makes me both hurt for him and feel very apprehensive...

Did you see the preview clip for next week?!?
liliaeth
Jan. 28th, 2016 02:03 pm (UTC)
The funny bit about Dean... he hates chick flick moments when it's about him having to tell people what's wrong with him, but he's rarely shied away from asking others about their feelings, what's wrong with them and giving them a chance to express themselves. Especially when it involves Sam. it's one of the thing the show has had since s1, when Dean was all about getting Sam to express himself about his grief over Jess' death.
hells_half_acre
Jan. 28th, 2016 06:06 pm (UTC)
Very true. He only hates chick-flick moments when they're either about his own emotions, or they're about Sam's emotions REGARDING him.
borgmama1of5
Jan. 29th, 2016 04:56 am (UTC)
You're right...I hadn't thought about it this way!

Oh Dean...
hells_half_acre
Jan. 28th, 2016 06:18 pm (UTC)
I totally missed that! LOL! Guess Dean wants it 'just in case'? (For Amara?)

I totally missed that! LOL! Guess Dean wants it 'just in case'? (For Amara?)

I hope it's not for Amara - that whole thing creeps me out, because it seems to be very much against Dean's will.

(So show acknowledges that they blew the Amelia story arc, but they're not going to let Sam actually verbalize he thought Dean was safe in heaven/Sam had a breakdown because that would be giving fans too much...grrr...)

Yeah, that's what annoys me about it too. They're still insisting that it was Sam completely failing Dean - without giving an explanation as to WHY. Because you don't just fail your brother for no reason... at least say, "I thought you were in heaven, but I should have made sure..." - it'd be pretty easy.

I could have done with a little less 'lecherous old lady' but at least she was a bit classier in her approach than the cougars in the 'Clue' episode...and her sign language discussion of divvying the boys up with Aileen was pretty funny...

Funny, I read the 'Clue' episode as "entitled lecherous rich people' rather than 'old lady' - but yeah, I hear you. I didn't mind it so much, just because Mildred wasn't gross about it, you know? She was very overtly flirty, but it was in a way that a Patsy Cline impersonator would be, rather than like, "dirty old man" style.

As soon as she told Dean to follow his heart, and then again at the end said she could tell his heart belonged to someone else, I jumped to Amara--Destiel never even crossed my mind, and I am pretty sure Amara is what the show wants us to worry about, given Dean's confession to Casifer.

I agree.

I am holding out for Dean's rejection of Amara to be what ends her!

Ooo, yes, that'd be great!

(Off topic but related--I heard on the radio that they cast a white British actor to play Michael Jackson in a new movie--REALLY?!?)

I know. I mean, I understand networks/studios are idiots, but I'm wondering what the heck Joseph Fiennes was thinking actually agreeing to do it. If it's simply because MJ was very fair towards the end of his life, then find a fair black person with a skinny nose and put some make-up on them...or, depending what your budget it, just VFX his nose away... they did it for Voldemort, it can't be that hard.

Then the final scene--we have seen Dean's little collection of happy photos--who knew that Sam had his own little box of happy memories too?

It's interesting because I think that picture of Sam, Dean, and Mary that was in Sam's box is actually one of Dean's - maybe they made copies, but not before the picture got super damaged, so now the copies look damaged too.

Did you see the preview clip for next week?!?

I did!! :)









percysowner
Jan. 28th, 2016 05:59 pm (UTC)
IMDB says it's Eileen, so I'm going with that for now.

I do think Cas is still in there, but Lucifer was rooting around Sam's memories for a while and I'm sure he looked for interesting information like where Sam lives and places that have tons of lore and powerful objects, so it's not definitive proof of life.

I am amused that "there is only one key in existence so throw it into the Bunker to keep it safe forever" has apparently turned into "we went to Home Depot and had them make a gross of copies so we could give them out to Cas and Kevin and we'd each have a backup and Oh, maybe leave one under the fake rock by the door in case we lose one". Because Lord people come and go from the Bunker with amazing ease.
hells_half_acre
Jan. 28th, 2016 06:05 pm (UTC)
Oh... you mean rooting around his memories in his dreams? Because Lucifer hasn't been able to willy-nilly root around since S5, so I figured he wouldn't know. Oh wait, nope, he took Sam to a memory in S8, so yeah... you're right. Damn.

I am amused that "there is only one key in existence so throw it into the Bunker to keep it safe forever" has apparently turned into "we went to Home Depot and had them make a gross of copies so we could give them out to Cas and Kevin and we'd each have a backup and Oh, maybe leave one under the fake rock by the door in case we lose one". Because Lord people come and go from the Bunker with amazing ease.

LOL - my thoughts exactly. "Also, let's put a mailbox out front that says Sam and Dean Winchester on it - you know, so people can send us stuff and anyone driving by will know that we live here." :P
caranfindel
Jan. 28th, 2016 09:28 pm (UTC)
Great catch on Sam cleaning his guns when he's stressed! And I didn't notice Dean pocketing the viagra; I'll have to rewatch that!

I assume Lucifer can read his vessel's mind/thoughts. He knew Sam's.

Edited at 2016-01-28 09:28 pm (UTC)
hells_half_acre
Jan. 29th, 2016 01:29 am (UTC)
Yeah, I was just wondering if Cas had to still be IN the vessel in order to be mind-read. Mainly, I'm wondering if Cas is in the vessel or if he and Lucifer did a switch and now Cas is in the cage with Michael.

And yeah, if you're doing a rewatch, definitely keep your eye on Dean in that scene - according to Robbie it was an "adlib" by Jensen. :P
shadowsong26
Jan. 29th, 2016 12:02 am (UTC)
This week’s episode was a win for me, too!

I noticed the gun-cleaning! It made me pleased for continuity’s sake, but poor Sam. :(

This ep was definitely a high point in terms of communication. And just their relationship in general? Like (out of order, obviously) when they’re digging the grave, and of course the conversation at the end and I just…I love this episode for giving me those moments.

I also really liked the way the early bits paralleled/referenced Sam trying to coax Dean out during the low points of the Mark arc.

Poor splodey angel…I knew what he was gonna do and was still like… “Dude, no, when you think you see Lucifer out of the Cage, you do not engage him yourself! You call for backup!” But, yeah…

Good point about angels dying out, heh.

And about Lucifer ex machina being a good line.

Eileen! I liked her, and I’m so glad we got to keep her! Agreed about Sam’s response to her, and how that was handled.

I am 100% with you on wanting to know about the gold blades!

Regarding Lucifer finding the Bunker--at first, I was gonna say my headcanon is if a multi-part entity (i.e., angel-in-vessel/demon-in-host) is invited in, all parts are invited in; even if they separate, they can bring in other people. Like, for example…that’s why Gadreel could bring his bartender in. Or (similar to what we have here) like…Meg, if she was still around, could hijack…IDK, Linda Tran and come in that way. Because I think that, once someone has access, they can let other people in until said access is revoked (Sam/Dean should really look into how to do that)…but then I realized you were asking how he found it, not how he got past the wards. And I think you’re probly right there.

My guess is Lucifer was either looking for a way to draw Amara out, as he said, or for a way to conceal himself more effectively until he was ready to move. (I would say he’s maybe looking for Gabriel’s DVD, except that’s wishful thinking and he seems to believe Gabe’s dead, whatever is actually going on; Word of God is contradictory on the subject.)

Re: the rings, I think Dean did give Death’s back…so it’s on the floor of that Mexican place, along with the scythe. Someone should go pick those up, they might come in handy…

Marlene’s trap was awesome! And the parallels were pretty well handled, I thought, as opposed to some of the more anvilicious things that have been done in the past.

And…yeah, that Dean+Lucifer scene was so painful in all the best ways. I agree with you that it makes more sense for Lucifer to fool Dean, at least briefly.

As for the shoulder touch…::clings desperately to continuity:: it’s because his hand was weirdly cold maybe? Or what you said, about Cas not touching Dean very much.

I thought it was kind of funny--when Mildred first hits on Dean there’s this little flash of ‘NOW YOU KNOW HOW IT FEELS’ from Sam, and it made me giggle. B/c between that one Bela episode and the Clue episode, I’m sure Sam thinks it’s well past Dean’s turn. Although, like you and others have pointed out, Mildred was a lot classier about it than any of the others.

Super excited about Sam making a friend, too! And about Eileen in general. I really liked her a lot, and would love seeing her again.

I think Mildred was referring to the Amara bond, too, but as soon as she said it, I could feel the shippers pouncing…

So much communication this episode! I think that’s a large part of why I loved it (and, tbh, this whole season) so much--after three years of constant secrets and lies and the brothers taking turns in the doghouse, they’re finally talking again, and…it’s just such a relief. I’m so glad these things are happening. I hope that when things fall apart (as I know they will) this return to effective communication doesn’t fall apart with it.

I agree with your assessment of the S8A stuff. And your headcanon.

I did notice a sort of interesting lighting thing (which I don’t usually notice!) in that, even though Sam’s the one that can sleep now, presumably, he’s got shadows cast over his face like bars on a prison cell, and Dean’s just lit by an open square…IDK what to make of that, but I’m sure there’s something interesting/significant to it.

Poor Dean indeed…

Very much looking forward to next week!
hells_half_acre
Jan. 29th, 2016 01:27 am (UTC)
…but then I realized you were asking how he found it, not how he got past the wards. And I think you’re probly right there.

Oh yeah, I didn't even think about the wards - as they don't seem to deter many people... and if they even exist, as probably based on biological signature rather than soul-signature. Though, who knows at this point!

My guess is Lucifer was either looking for a way to draw Amara out, as he said, or for a way to conceal himself more effectively until he was ready to move. (I would say he’s maybe looking for Gabriel’s DVD, except that’s wishful thinking and he seems to believe Gabe’s dead, whatever is actually going on; Word of God is contradictory on the subject.)

I guess only time will tell! I was thinking that it could be that Lucifer needs a particular artifact or something in order to do it, and he's trying to track it down? There are a lot of possibilities, I suppose... another of which is that he was searching the Bunker for something completely unrelated to Amara that we don't know about yet.

Re: the rings, I think Dean did give Death’s back…so it’s on the floor of that Mexican place, along with the scythe. Someone should go pick those up, they might come in handy…

True, for having a storage facility for artifacts, Sam and Dean are really bad at collecting them - they're constantly just leaving them behind... like, Thor's hammer, for instance. :P

As for the shoulder touch…::clings desperately to continuity:: it’s because his hand was weirdly cold maybe? Or what you said, about Cas not touching Dean very much.

Ooo, I had forgotten about how Lucifer "burned cold"... sadly, probably, so have the writers, like I've said, Carver's era seems less concerned about those delicious little details than Kripke's era was.

B/c between that one Bela episode and the Clue episode, I’m sure Sam thinks it’s well past Dean’s turn. Although, like you and others have pointed out, Mildred was a lot classier about it than any of the others.

It's true, I hadn't even thought about it, but Sam is usually ALWAYS the target for the older ladies. Interesting!

after three years of constant secrets and lies and the brothers taking turns in the doghouse, they’re finally talking again, and…it’s just such a relief. I’m so glad these things are happening. I hope that when things fall apart (as I know they will) this return to effective communication doesn’t fall apart with it.

Agreed completely!

I did notice a sort of interesting lighting thing (which I don’t usually notice!) in that, even though Sam’s the one that can sleep now, presumably, he’s got shadows cast over his face like bars on a prison cell, and Dean’s just lit by an open square…IDK what to make of that, but I’m sure there’s something interesting/significant to it.

Ooo, interesting!!




supernutjapan
Jan. 29th, 2016 12:04 pm (UTC)
You know how we can tell that Sam is suffering from cage damage? He's CLEANING HIS GUNS. I absolutely loved that back in the beginning of S7

Heee! Yes! This is where I am in the rewatches so it was really nice to see that callback <3

Were they just driving around all these years with huge chunks of solid gold?

OK, this. Real completely gold blades would be super heavy, wouldn't they? And Dean sure didn't hold them like they were heavy at all... Do you think they were just gold plated? Wouldn't that be OK? As long as it was the gold that went through?

Does Dean even still have all four or did he give Death's back?
OK, I haven't looked this up either, but I just watched an ep in Season 6 - Appointment in Samarra where Dean tries to use the ring as leverage... so he had it then. But Death tells him he could take it back any time bla bla... And then Dean uses it to become death for a day... and then he gives the ring back at the end, when they are eating pizza together in bobby's kitchen... right? I'm pretty sure he gave it back sometime during that ep.

The question is, what happens to the ring if Death is dead?? LOL

BUT... do any of you know what made Sam so interested in "Marlene" in the first place?
I'm assuming he thought she might be either wanting to talk to them, or someone suspicious by the way she kept hanging around while they talked to Mildred.

Loved your review!! <3

hells_half_acre
Feb. 7th, 2016 01:59 am (UTC)
Sorry I missed replying to some comments - I was so busy last weekend.

And yes, gold blades would be super heavy - they must have just been gold plates (would also cut down on the cost.)

You'd know Appointment in Samarra better than me at this point, so yeah, Death probably had the ring again...and I doubt Dean took it from him before he killed him in that mexican restaurant, and I think the body disappeared right? Along with the ring? That still bugs me, because you can't kill a horsemen... but whatever!

I guess we'll find out what happened to the rings once the brother's discover that they might need to open the cage again.

Glad you liked the review!
supernutjapan
Feb. 7th, 2016 07:45 am (UTC)
Here's the moment for my peace of mind LOL

dean gives back ring.jpg

Yeah, that really bugs me too. You can't kill Death! I wonder if they will use the rings or not. It'll be interesting to see!
hells_half_acre
Feb. 7th, 2016 08:33 pm (UTC)
Yay! Thanks! :)

Yes, it will be very interesting to see how they solve the Lucifer problem the second time.
pushistyj_koshk
Jan. 29th, 2016 12:04 pm (UTC)
Sammy making retirement plans - awwww!
hells_half_acre
Feb. 7th, 2016 01:55 am (UTC)
Agreed!
pushistyj_koshk
Jan. 29th, 2016 12:22 pm (UTC)
I would think Death got his ring back at the end of 6.11 Appointment in Samarra. I don't actually recall seeing Dean give the ring back to Death but I suppose he did.
hells_half_acre
Feb. 7th, 2016 01:56 am (UTC)
Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. Though I can't remember it.
cookiemom6067
Feb. 7th, 2016 01:04 am (UTC)

Sorry, i just watched this, so I'm a little behind.


1. I think the MoL had the good blades.
2. I hate it when they have screaming babies in movies and TV because BABIES DON'T ACT. they really are distressed.
3. I'm joining you in Sam + friend 2016
4. As I was listening to Mildred (Elliot's mother from ET, BTW - weird to see her as "the old lady") in that "follow your heart" conversion, all I could think was "well, they goofed. She is in no way vulnerable." Personally, I think both Winchesters are so vulnerable that the banshee could feast for days.

hells_half_acre
Feb. 7th, 2016 01:55 am (UTC)
1. I agree. It's way too specific an item for them to be carrying around all these years. Plus, back in S2 they didn't even have bronze blades.

2. Exactly! And it hits all my "babies are crying, must help babies" evolutionary instincts. And I am one of the least maternal people I know.

3. Woo!

4. Oh man, I have a bad relationship with the movie ET, so I did not know that. But I totally agree that Mildred is in no way vulnerable, seeing as how she's the most emotionally together person in the episode! The banshee could DEFINITELY feast for days on our boys.
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