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Quick Reaction: 11x06 Our Little World

Hello!!

So, I've had a hell of a day... and I really need to sleep, but this was also a good episode and there is a BUNCH to talk about... so, I'm torn here - but hopefully it all works out and I don't pass out on you.

I drank a little tonight, but actually not that much (mainly because I really do need to sleep and alcohol keeps me awake) but I'll probably still forget everything even with my notes, so bear with me. (bare? bear.)

EPISODE....

Amara eats a Goldie's soul and grows more. She is now teenagery. Also, that bag of chips was way too nice looking to be for real. Everyone knows that real bags of chips are crinkled and torn beyond belief, because they've been shoved into your backpack and then passed back and forth between your friends, and then rolled back up for no reason, and then unrolled again because why the hell did you roll them up, you still want more! Oh god, why am I talking about a bag of chips so much, I'm never going to get through this episode...

Crowley! He reprimands Amara for sneaking out and feasting as she pleases. But, he's also stopped her from eating all his demons, so she has to eat SOMEWHERE. Anyway, Crowley grounds her - apparently Crowley is more powerful than her, which wow. They totally should have killed baby her if they wanted to get rid of her, it's far too late now.

Sam and Dean, we find out, are still in Fall River, MA. They're waiting for more soulless people to crop up so that they can track Amara. So far, no luck though, so Sam asks Dean to call in their reinforcements - Cas. Dean is like "he's not ready!" and Sam is like "oh come ON!" and Dean is like "FINE!" and he calls him.

Cas is sitting in someone's room watching TV. Does anyone know who's room that is? Is he still in Sam's room? Is it Dean's? Did they give him his own room? If he's been bingewatching Netflix in Sam's room for weeks, where's Sam been sleeping when he's home? Maybe they gave him Kevin's old room. Now I'm depressed. Anyway, let me know if anyone recognized the room. I don't have the power right now to rewatch the episode.

Cas and Dean talk about TV, because Dean doesn't approve of him watching Jenny Jones, and thinks he should stick to quality shows - Cas disagrees and says that you can't eat cavier all the time. (Did I spell that right? Do I care? No.)

But, the short of it is that we find out that Cas hasn't been outside since they cured him of the mad-dog spell. So, Dean orders him to get out there and get some air.

Meanwhile, Sam gets a call and we find out that Len has been killed - NOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!! LEN!!!!!!!

Moment of silence for Len.... and also for our veterans and all those who died in the wars, because it's Remembrance Day.

Cas puts on his blazer and coat and heads for the door, but then has an anxiety attack because poor Cas has PTSD. Noooooooo! Poor CAS!

Awww... when I found it hilarious that he was watching TV all day, it was because I thought he was HEALTHILY watching TV... not because it's the only thing that doesn't freak him the fuck out!

Back with Crowley, his minion (who I like, btw, but I think he dies later) tells him that they're thin staffed because of Amara eating them all. Ouch. Repercussions. (Goddamn, I wish LJ spellcheck worked for me. Please forgive me if I spell words wrong - I'm not the best speller.)

We find out that Crowley was the one that ordered Len's death - basically, Crowley is trying to clean up after Amara so that she doesn't attrack hunter attention. TOO LATE.

Sam and Dean figure this out in very short order.

Meanwhile, Cas is watching TV again when he sees a news report out of Omaha and discovers that it's Metatron that captured and sold the video-footage to the news station. LEAD!

Back at the police station, a demon comes to kill Goldie but IT'S A TRAP! Sam and Dean capture the demon instead. Sucks to be you, demon.

Then it's demon interrogation time. They've totally used that hotel wallpaper before, fyi. I recognize it.

The demon tells them that they're not going to get any "actionable intel" by torturing him. Here is where my friend points out that basically the demon is telling them to just be nice to him, because he was ALREADY talking and then clammed up once Dean leaned forward all menancingly... and it's true - if you actually want to get information out of people, you have to pretend to be their friend, not come at them antagonistically.

Anyway... Sam is all for saving the meatsuit, but then notices that the demon has already been shot, so the meatsuit won't survive anyway. So, dead demon. Dean is pretty damn happy about it too. Part of me really does worry that they're going to reveal that Dean actually lost his soul in the premiere, but then another (larger) part of me thinks that Dean would be acting way weirder if he did...right, RIGHT?!?!

Dean dumps the body at the hospital while Sam tracks the demons phone to see where he's been. He discovered that he hit all the spots that Dean and Sam already know about, but that he also hit up an old asylum.

Sam of course, questions why Crowley would have Amara on earth instead of in hell, and Dean is like "Crowley hates hell" and then Sam brings up Dean and Crowley's "summer of love" and yeah, I've been talking about it in the rewatches that I'd done of S10 so far, but I kind of like the shipping hints they drop about that period of time, for various reasons, even though the last thing I'd ever ship is Dean/Crowley.

We return to Crowley and Amara - Crowley brings her a peace offering of a mail man, but she gets mad about it. I think she likes choosing the humans she devours herself.

Amara is also smart enough to know that Crowley is just interested in her power - and leashing her so that he can use it to his own benefit.

Back to Sam and Dean - Dean apparently has been wanting to kill Crowley since "Cedar Rapids" was that the premiere? I'll look it up after I write this, but that's my guess.

Sam questions whether they are ready to kill Amara though - he feels they are unprepared and don't have enough knowledge. Dean is pretty defensive about being ready though and wants to go forward with the plan.

Back to Crowley and Amara - Crowley basically talks his way into a deal with Amara, because that's Crowley's strength - making deals - and he convinces her that she could use his wisdom and he could teach her and offer her protection, and in exchange, all he asks is that she be patient and stay with him a little longer.

Now we cut to Metatron, who is filming a dead guy in an alley, who is not actually dead yet! But dude, he's not long for this world that's for sure. Even if Metatron did call an ambulance right then, I doubt that guy would make it. Still, it'd be way kinder to try and comfort the guy instead of just standing their going through his wallet and looking put out that he's not dead yet.

Luckily, Castiel comes to the rescue! He heals the dude, while Metatron films him - because an angel healing will earn him a bunch of money. Castiel is not too impressed with this idea and smacks the camera out of his hands - but then the cops show up, so they scram. Dude, someone is probably going to look at that SD card. Just saying.

Back to Sam and Dean, who are breaking into the asylum.

I love the fact that all this time, what we assumed were the halls of hell, were actually the halls of an abandoned asylum in Fall River MA. It explains why every demon was in a meatsuit and why Rowena was there (as a living person). I like the idea of hell being more conceptual and non... human/earth looking. Like, the vast space with the chains - I love that - the corridors Sam went down when he rescued Bobby, not so much. I have headcanons to compensate, but I'm kinda thrilled that I don't have to use them for Crowley's "offices" because this whole time he hasn't actually been in hell at all.

Meanwhile, Crowley is in a meeting about the drop in soul deals in the Pacific Northwest, possibly due to the legalization of pot. Awesome.

Back to Castiel... Metatron is telling Castiel all about the life he's made for himself. Castiel thinks that he's a vulture who feeds off human tragedy.Metatron insists that he's at the forefront of modern storytelling because of the rise in short media and reality TV (and I kinda love all this conversation, because it ties right back to Cas watching Jenny Jones earlier, even though he knew it was crap TV.)

Also, we find out that Castiel now has the demon tablet!! Woot! I wonder if anything is going to come of that? Can they resurrect Kevin and have him read more of it? Or is Cas just going to keep it safe at the bunker for all eternity?

Castiel asks what Metatron knows about the Darkness, but Metatron won't tell him anything - instead he starts poking at Cas' wounds - saying that he's broken, that he's a wuss who can't even bring himself to do violence because he's so traumatized by his life... that he's afraid. Castiel punches him and tells him it's not fear, but he does, indeed seem like he has a problem.

Back at the asylum, we find out that Dean has Crowley recorded on his phone - berating him about sleeping until noon with a skank and leaving Crowley to settle their bill or something. Interesting thing to both record and hang onto for a year, Dean, but it certainly comes in handy here. He lures the minions to him - but then Sam and Dean split up at Sam's suggestion, because more demons are coming - so Sam sends Dean to take out Amara while he holds the demons back. The really messed up thing here is that if we didn't know about the weird Dean-Amara connection, we'd think this was a pretty sound strategy, because Dean usually ALWAYS is the one to successfully take out the big bad of each season, so it makes sense that Sam would send him in as their strongest asset to taking on Amara.

But, of course, it's a bad plan, and there IS something funky going on, but before we get to see if Dean's really going to not kill her, Crowley comes to Amara's rescue.

But, then Crowley makes the mistake of telling Dean that although in the past, he's never been able to bring himself to kill Dean (INTERESTING!) he thinks he can now... and that makes Amara flip out, because she's a Dean!girl through and through. So, Amara comes to Dean's rescue, disarming and disabling Crowley quite effectively.

Then we cut to Castiel, who Metatron is still goading, this time telling him that Castiel's not afraid, he's mad, because he's always being used as a tool.

Back to Amara... who is, I think, revoking her deal with Crowley at this point.

Meanwhile, Sam's in the hallway trying to save the humans inside of demons (YAY finally! After 5+ seasons of ignoring the fact that they were killing a human along with every demon they killed), but it's not necessarily the best way to win a fight.

Castiel is still beating Metatron up.

Sam is being told that pacifism never works.... but then Sam kills that demon, so you know, there are limits to pacifism.

And then we get this awesome parrallel between Cas and Sam, where both find they have to restrain themselves from killing in the heat of the moment. Sam manages to get "2 out of 3" and declares that not bad at all... and then he runs to Amara's room, only to get waylaid at the door by a vision.

Meanwhile, Amara makes a deal with Crowley, granting him life in exchange for safe passage for Dean once Amara leaves.

Castiel realizes that Metatron is trying to commit suicide and he stops beating him to death. Metatron, as it turns out, hates being human.

(Also, this is the second time in two weeks that a character has wanted to die, but not even floated the idea of suicide - like, both times, they try to get someone else to kill them, but it doesn't seem to cross their mind to kill themselves. Now, maybe in the SPN universe if you kill yourself you go to hell, like the catholics believe, and Metatron knows this or something... but I do find it slightly odd that they haven't explained the characters reasoning for not just kiling themselves... I get that the show doesn't want to promote suicide, and I don't think they should, and maybe it's just too hard to think of reasoning... but, anyway, it's interesting.)

Castiel asks about the Darkness again.

Dean and Amara then have a really creepy scene, because they are standing far too close and Amara is being far too flirty for how young she looks and how old Dean is... and Dean is looking far too enraptured.... and it totally pressed all my statutory rape squicks.

BUT that being said, it IS an interesting conversation - because Amara tells us that she doesn't quite understand the connection either - but guesses that it's because Dean was her first experience of "His creation." And she's fascinated.

Metatron, meanwhile, tells us who Amara is - apparently, what people don't know, because it ruins God's image, is that God had to make a sacrifice in order to make creation - and that sacrifice was giving up his own kin. Amara is God's sister.

DUN DUN DUN.

So, I was half right and half wrong - I kinda wanted Amara to be a being from BEFORE God, like, Amara was first (the Darkness) and then God came (and then there was light)....it fits in with the fact that I tend to like dualistic mythologies (many of you who read my stuff will know that I actually headcanon God and Death as two sides of the same coin. One makes, the other one takes, etc.) Anyway, that seems to be what they might be doing with God and Amara, which would make Death more a force of nature rather than a contemporary of God, which is cool too, I guess. BUT, the other thing that I was thinking was that while God might represent the patriarchal view, Amara might be the matriachal world-view. And, certainly, with the genders and relationship they've chosen so far, it sounds like that MIGHT be where they are going... I'm a LITTLE leary of this idea though, just because so many of the SPN staff are males... BUT, we'll see, Berens (who wrote this episode) at least seems well versed on feminist literature and Robbie Thompson seems to do a great job with the female pov... so, you never know. But, I'm sure fans from all sides are going to get into a screaming match about this direction eventually (such is the nature of feminist criticism and fandom).

Amara tells Dean that she's returned to "settle a score" and Dean it seems, can't kill Amara - but then Amara makes the mistake of attacking Sam, and it certainly looks like Dean is willing to kill her after she does that - but she slams him against the wall too and escapes as he passes out.

Back at the Bunker, Dean is angry that Cas let Metatron go. Cas argues that he's not a threat. He's pathetic, and also Castiel put him in traction (which means Cas didn't heal him). In return, Sam and/or Cas question Dean as to why he wasn't able to kill Amara - Dean gets super defensive and yells at them that she's God's sister so OF COURSE Dean was overpowered - but Sam and Cas share a doubtful look... because everyone knows that if anyone is going to kill God, it's Dean.

Sam stalks off to "look at the lore" which apparently is code for "have a vision" and he does and it's AWESOME!!

Sam has a vision of the cage, suspended in Hell by the chains - and it's THE COOLEST. And THAT's the kind of hellscape I like... and also, I LOVE that the choose to suspend it by chains in the greeny dark lightening sky, because to me that indicates that back when Dean was in hell, he was in the very BOWELS of it.

But yeah, Sam is definitely having visions of the cage - and it's awesome - and I want to know what it means (I'm guessing that they need Lucifer or Michael in order to beat Amara and/or God)... but mainly, I just think it's cool that Sam is having visions again. Because I really loved that storyline in the early seasons, I love mind-stuff.

Then we get a little montage of Amara walking down Granville st. Crowley... uh, being Crowley...and Dean, being Dean... and then Amara walking down Granville St again. And it's all building up to something that is so far super interesting!!!

Next week looks like another fun one.

Comments

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borgmama1of5
Nov. 12th, 2015 03:19 pm (UTC)
I thought this was an excellent mytharc episode and that the 3 storylines were woven together very smoothly, unlike sometimes when the episode comes out as too choppy.

I wonder if the type of soul Amara is eating--both the babysitter and Goldie in this ep had major parental issues, and now Amara does too--influences her behavior? So if she were to eat Dean's soul, would she be filled with guilt over what's she done???

I did not see 'God's sister' coming--and am intrigued! If they are going for a matriarchal figure, hopefully she will be better than Eve--so far the casting--even though she's been played by kids--has been much more threatening than Eve was.

I am so glad Cas finally resisted Metatron's verbal twistings and beat the crap out of him! I've wanted someone to do that to him since probably his second appearance!

Dean, Dean, Dean--tell your brother what's going on!!!
hells_half_acre
Nov. 12th, 2015 06:44 pm (UTC)
Agreed. It was not smooth to write up, but because the action in the stories paralleled each other well (Cas and Sam's action scenes, Dean and Amara talking while Cas gets info from Metatron, etc...), it felt like smooth transitions between the separate stories, even though there was actually a lot of cutting back and forth repeatedly.

That's an interesting theory on Amara!

Yeah, the problem with Eve was that she was actually a red herring. It'd be better if they were setting up Amara for something more - unfortunately, the eating souls thing is pretty "evil", but I'd like it if they were setting her up as more of a grey villain, where there's actually a question about whether she's good or evil.

Yup, I'm really glad that Cas stopped himself from being manipulated.

And agreed about Dean! TELL YOUR BROTHER THINGS! He's told YOU things!
elvit
Nov. 12th, 2015 07:58 pm (UTC)
A very interesting episode and your review is no less interesting - as always. I'd like to talk about many things but I'm too tired for it. :(

What do you think about Crowley's Hell? You know the one with a huge queue as a torture?

Hm.. I saw Erik Kripke's name in the very beginning, he was called executive consultant not a creator. Do you think it means anything?
hells_half_acre
Nov. 12th, 2015 10:09 pm (UTC)
Ah, you can always return after having a sleep.

I thought Crowley's hell was alright for the first level of hell, if that makes sense. Like, people who went to hell for petty things, or selling their soul for a good reason or something.

What was Kripke's old name in the credits? I thought he'd been listed as executive consultant since S6, but in truth, I never read the credits so I don't really know if that's the case or not.
pushistyj_koshk
Nov. 12th, 2015 09:22 pm (UTC)
Wallpaper from Mystery Spot!!!

5.08 photo S5Motels44.jpg
hells_half_acre
Nov. 12th, 2015 10:07 pm (UTC)
Changing Channel's actually! And that was my guess! Man, I'm good. :)

(Unless it's mystery spot too, in which case I totally didn't know that - but the cap you posted is Changing Channels)
pushistyj_koshk
Nov. 12th, 2015 10:09 pm (UTC)
Shoot, I meant to write Mystery Spot. Shoot, I meant to write Changing Channels. See what I mean!!! It's like a really advanced dyslexia case.
hells_half_acre
Nov. 12th, 2015 10:11 pm (UTC)
Haha! Funny.

I do that (when speaking only) with 5 and 7 - I say 7 when I mean 5. It's weird. They don't even look or sound the same.
pushistyj_koshk
Nov. 12th, 2015 10:51 pm (UTC)


Ooh, I think I like where it's going. And it was another solid episode, yay! I even didn't mind Metatron much. What I did mind was Dean acting like a creepy 30-something guy waiting for a college student to turn 18, so that she's legal. I liked the 'Girl, You'll Be a Woman Soon' though - I'm a sucker for Pulp Fiction :)

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Re: Len has been killed - NOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!! LEN!!!!!!!

Yes!

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Re: Cas has PTSD. Noooooooo! Poor CAS!

Yes!!!!

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Re: Sam of course, questions why Crowley would have Amara on earth instead of in hell

It actually never occurred to me that it wasn't hell.

UPD: I've now read your "I love the fact that all this time, what we assumed were the halls of hell, were actually the halls of an abandoned asylum in Fall River MA." I'm not alone then. It did look like hell though.

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Re: Now we cut to Metatron, who is filming a dead guy in an alley

It actually makes sense - he used to like text, now he likes video.

I actually have trouble remembering what happened to Metatron's grace. I mean, I know Castiel took it out but where did it go?

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Re: Now, maybe in the SPN universe if you kill yourself you go to hell, like the catholics believe, and Metatron knows this or something

Do you think a humanised angel has a soul then? Where would it come from when angel loses his grace? It wouldn't be the vessel's soul. Wouldn't a humanised angel just disappear after death? Go nowhere like the pretty reaper promised Sam he would?

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And now I read this part:
Re: Dean and Amara then have a really creepy scene, because they are standing far too close and Amara is being far too flirty for how young she looks and how old Dean is... and Dean is looking far too enraptured.... and it totally pressed all my statutory rape squicks

I know, right!?


P.S.: One of these days I'm going to find the time to read your 10x3 reaction. Sigh.
hells_half_acre
Nov. 14th, 2015 12:35 am (UTC)
I actually have trouble remembering what happened to Metatron's grace. I mean, I know Castiel took it out but where did it go?

Huh, good question, I think Cas just kept it? Maybe it's in the Bunker?

Do you think a humanised angel has a soul then? Where would it come from when angel loses his grace? It wouldn't be the vessel's soul. Wouldn't a humanised angel just disappear after death? Go nowhere like the pretty reaper promised Sam he would?

Oh yeah, good point! Angels don't have souls, Cas has told us that much - BUT, we do know that they can become human... so, what makes them human? Like, Anna? She cut out her grace and was reborn as a human...but it wasn't as though she were soulless! Man, I don't know, in my headcanon, angels always had something that was soul+grace, but they couldn't do things like sell their soul or anything because the two were TOO LINKED unless they cut out their grace. But, yeah, that was just my headcanon... maybe they do just disappear when they die - atheist deaths, ironically.

P.S.: One of these days I'm going to find the time to read your 10x3 reaction. Sigh.

There's no rush. ;)
pushistyj_koshk
Nov. 12th, 2015 11:04 pm (UTC)
Re: Cas is sitting in someone's room watching TV. Does anyone know who's room that is? Is he still in Sam's room? Is it Dean's? Did they give him his own room? If he's been bingewatching Netflix in Sam's room for weeks, where's Sam been sleeping when he's home? Maybe they gave him Kevin's old room. Now I'm depressed. Anyway, let me know if anyone recognized the room. I don't have the power right now to rewatch the episode.

Definitely not Dean's. Dean's room doesn't have a brick wall behind the headboard. Sam's room does (http://www.thewinchesterfamilybusiness.com/images/SeasonNine/SlumberParty/SPN_0564.jpg) and the lamps are the correct ones:



Edited at 2015-11-12 11:05 pm (UTC)
themegalosaurus
Nov. 13th, 2015 02:44 pm (UTC)
It's definitely Sam's room. It has all the stuff in it that we've seen in Sam's bedroom before.

Cas doesn't sleep so maybe he and Sam are sharing?! Sam just getting on with his daily life around whatever Cas is watching right then (and i always think Sam has a tendency to be isolated so maybe he's glad of the company)
hells_half_acre
Nov. 14th, 2015 12:38 am (UTC)
Awesome! I wonder if Sam just sleeps while Cas watches TV. I bet Sam's REALLY good at sleeping through noise after the way he was raised.

I kinda like your idea that Sam enjoys the company - because Sam would have been raised in an environment without much alone time, and I'm sure that means he revels in not being around people sometimes, but also probably gets lonely more easily than most people.

So, yeah, he might actually really like having Cas in his room watching TV while he just goes about his business.
themegalosaurus
Nov. 16th, 2015 02:01 am (UTC)
yeah i bet sam could sleep through cas's tv watching (he might find it quite soothing). and yes exactly, sam has almost never had his own bedroom so i can't help but think he'd be lonely in the bunker at times. so having cas as a roomie might be very reassuring!
hells_half_acre
Nov. 14th, 2015 12:36 am (UTC)
Cool! Sam's room!
shadowsong26
Nov. 12th, 2015 11:23 pm (UTC)
This episode was pretty awesome, and definitely a lot to think about…

I’m not sure what it says about me, but I really enjoyed the Crowley-playing-father scenes in the first half of the episodes…IDK, I think I just like villains/evil people being weirdly domestic. I have that reaction to some of the villains in Spartacus, too…

Cas’s line about ‘man can’t live on caviar alone’ was great. I love that he watches trashy TV from time to time.

Poor Len. I liked him, I didn’t want him to die…

And poor, poor Cas, like you said.

I was kind of glad to find out Crowley had ordered Len’s death, because I didn’t want it left hanging how he’d died—if he’d decided to kill himself like some of the soulless people in that one Abaddon episode did, or if Amara’s desouling process was somehow terminal, or something…anyway, sometimes I like speculation, but sometimes I like having a clear answer, you know? This was one of the clear-answer times.

Sam and Dean’s trap was awesome! I love it when they’re smart.

I’m pretty sure that was the Mystery Spot wallpaper! I don’t think it actually means anything, since I’m still waiting for Metatron’s choice of Muncie from the S9 finale to mean something, but I noticed that, too!

I don’t think Amara took Dean’s soul, because he’s been acting way too much like his old self this season…I don’t know where that theory cropped up exactly but I started seeing it on Tumblr last week. I’m with you, I hope it’s not true…

I love all the continuity references this season! With or without shipping involved, yeah.

I think Cedar Rapids was where Teeny BAMF Sheriff with Pretty Eyes lived/died with her grandmother, but I’d have to look it up, too…

I agree, that it’s kind of nice to see Crowley’s offices outside of Hell…and it does make more sense, yes.

I kind of hope that Cas actually doesn’t have the demon tablet? If only because as much as I dislike Metatron, he’s smarter than that. He’d at least have found a way to hide it away, warded against angels. Especially since it’s basically his only leverage against Heaven, and he’s interested in surviving…IDK. It sort of felt like a let-down ending to that potential subplot. On the other hand, I don’t really want a superpowered Metatron subplot again…

You make a good point, about the division of labor making perfect sense without our outside knowledge. Sigh. Secrets and lies, boys…always with the secrets and lies.

I’m also super-interested in Crowley admitting he kept Dean alive out of some level of sentimentality.

Agreed on how awesome it is that they’re at least taking the time to think about hosts/vessels again! Even if, as Sam learned, it’s not always practical. Still, they’re trying, so the times where it’s not possible/practical/too risky actually feel…I don’t know what the word I’m looking for is, but you know what I mean?

Really like the parallel fights with Cas and Sam! It’ll be interesting to dissect that further on rewatch, I think.

I’m not sure Metatron actually was trying to commit suicide or if he was just playing Cas again…Metatron could go either way, tbh. But you’re right, it is interesting that they’re shying away from the idea the past couple episodes.

Yeah, that Dean and Amara scene was super creepy/squicky wow.

Amara being God’s sister is pretty neat! If not super-surprising. I’m not sure how many other directions they could have gone with her/her origins. And agreed about some of the potentially unfortunate implications/possible poor handling. But we shall see.

The Cage vision was super awesome, yes! But oh god Sam’s face when he realized he could no longer wallow in denial/that’s what he was seeing…

Anyway, good episode! And looking forward to next weeks, definitely.
hells_half_acre
Nov. 14th, 2015 12:48 am (UTC)
IDK, I think I just like villains/evil people being weirdly domestic. I have that reaction to some of the villains in Spartacus, too…

I enjoyed it as well. I think it "humanizes" them to a certain extent and that makes for a more dynamic villain.

I was kind of glad to find out Crowley had ordered Len’s death, because I didn’t want it left hanging how he’d died—if he’d decided to kill himself like some of the soulless people in that one Abaddon episode did, or if Amara’s desouling process was somehow terminal, or something

Agreed.

I’m pretty sure that was the Mystery Spot wallpaper! I don’t think it actually means anything, since I’m still waiting for Metatron’s choice of Muncie from the S9 finale to mean something, but I noticed that, too!

Changing Channels. Though, it might have been Mystery Spot too? And I think they're just reusing props/towns.

And yes, Cedar Rapids was the deputies grandma's town in 11x02

IDK. It sort of felt like a let-down ending to that potential subplot. On the other hand, I don’t really want a superpowered Metatron subplot again…

Yeah, and I'm not entirely sure what Metatron would do with it anyway - it's not like he can power-up off of it, seeing as how he's not a demon. Though, I agree that it does seem silly for him to hide is only leverage under his mattress.

Still, they’re trying, so the times where it’s not possible/practical/too risky actually feel…I don’t know what the word I’m looking for is, but you know what I mean?

It actually feels like those human lives have worth. The deaths are more significant. It brings a realistic sadness for the deaths, rather than a more sociopathetic view where you don't even register that someone has just died.

At least, that's how it feels to me.


But oh god Sam’s face when he realized he could no longer wallow in denial/that’s what he was seeing…

Yes, I forgot to mention how well Jared did that dawning horror as the ability to deny was stripped away.



shadowsong26
Nov. 14th, 2015 01:35 am (UTC)
::facepalm:: I totally meant Changing Channels, I don't know why I mistyped that...and, yeah, you're probably right, they're just reusing things, and I read too much into them...ah, well.

And, yeah, you worded much better than I did, about Sam and Dean making more of an effort to keep the hosts (and potentially vessels, though it hasn't yet come up) alive.
hells_half_acre
Nov. 14th, 2015 03:13 am (UTC)
Hahhaha, that's hilarious - you're the second person in my comment section to say Mystery Spot when they mean Changing Channels. So, hey, however weirdly your brain is wired. You are not alone!
khek
Nov. 13th, 2015 02:06 am (UTC)
I think I was the only one who didn't read anything squicky in Amara's fascination with Dean. To me, it just felt like Dean was her first example of the complexity of what God had created, and she's trying to understand. It's like watching your dorky little brother grow up to create the Sistine Chapel. She just wants to understand how it works. I also think she's got some kind of mind-control over Dean, which explains his inability to harm her, or to look away. But maybe that's just me.

This show always comes round to siblings on opposite sides, doesn't it? This is the first time we've seen a brother/sister pairing though, isn't it? Lots of brothers, at least one pair of sisters (Kate the werewolf and sis), but no other brother/sisters that I can think of.

I'm not surprised that Crowley's outlet to Hell is an abandoned insane asylum in Massachusetts. :) I don't think that was a map of Fall River that they were looking at though. But it could have been...
hells_half_acre
Nov. 14th, 2015 12:57 am (UTC)
It's not that I necessarily read anything squicky into it - as though I thought that they were going to have sex or make-out or something - it was just the fact that someone who looked like a teenager was standing too close, making soft faces at, and talking like a grown-up to an older man... in a kind of... see, I can use the word flirty without meaning sexualized, but I'm not sure if other people will get my meaning there. It's, I suppose, the way you would talk to someone as though you are considering possessing them in some regard... and anyway, I have a very sensitive squick reflex when it comes to underage flirtiness.

Anyway, my point is that I interpreted the scene exactly as you did. Amara is, just as she said, fascinated with her brother's creation and Dean was the first example she saw of it. I also agree that she has some sort of hold over Dean, or he's simply reacting to being in the presence of something VERY POWERFUL and maybe Sam would react similarly if he ever got close enough to her for a long period of time.

This show always comes round to siblings on opposite sides, doesn't it? This is the first time we've seen a brother/sister pairing though, isn't it?

Yes, I believe this is the first brother/sister parallel. And yeah, they really do like their sibling parallels.

And it was indeed a map of Fall River! I just looked it up. :) I mean, I'm sure they made up the asylum and locations, but it's the correct outline of the town.
khek
Nov. 14th, 2015 03:32 am (UTC)
I guess I've been reading in too many other places about the 'obvious romantic relationship' between Dean and Amara. And I have to listen to the custodian at work, who keeps telling me that Dean's wife is too young for him, but that she needs his help to take over the world. (Yeah, I don't know where he got that either, but he's the only other "live" person I know if RL who watches and wants to talk about Supernatural!) Anyway, I understand the way you're using flirty in a kind of feeling someone out and ingratiating yourself into their regard. Does that make sense?

So it was Fall River? There's a really creepy former insane asylum (called Metropolitan State Hospital) between Belmont and Waltham MA. It's in the middle of the woods, the crumbling old buildings surrounded by conservation land, with trails now used mostly by dog walkers and bikers. I was kind of hoping that the map wasn't actually Fall River, but Met State! (But I did see the water surrounding most of it, so I guessed that it wasn't Waltham.) Probably Fall River has it's own abandoned hospital though.

hells_half_acre
Nov. 14th, 2015 04:10 am (UTC)
Anyway, I understand the way you're using flirty in a kind of feeling someone out and ingratiating yourself into their regard. Does that make sense?

YES! Exactly. You said it much better than I did. :)

And yeah, I don't really get "romantic relationship" at least, not yet - they may still go there, but right now it's clearly fascination on Amara's end and "I don't understand what is wrong with my brain" on Dean's end. :P

I think they probably made up the name of the asylum, but for fun, I'll do a little search... nope, closest thing they have is a haunted house called the "Asylum of Horror" ;)

That does sounds like a really creepy abandoned asylum near Waltham though - and would have matched where it looked like the Fall River one was - ie: in the woods. But yeah, Fall River isn't exactly close to Waltham or Belmont.
supernutjapan
Nov. 15th, 2015 02:21 pm (UTC)
Hey! First to let you know I am reading these - just either too exhausted to comment or ... too exhausted to comment and then I forget.

I loved how they combined the stories this ep (as you've mentioned) :) I especially liked the parallel "Tell me" by Cas and by Amara. It's so much easier to enjoy Cas' storyline when it is done that way. They did quite a bit of that in Ep 1 too, I think, cutting between Cas and Dean and Sam and Crowley too. Very nice. Makes the viewer more engaged and less likely bored by the secondary character story lines.

I think there is definitely something wrong with Dean - but his actions remind me more of MoC Dean, and I think as you mentioned in your rewatch reviews that Dean would relinquish responsibilities and actually not want to kill if he was soulless - just like he acted when he was demon. We've seen how everyone acts differently and Dean has no hidden wish to hurt/kill people as far as I know.

Am I the only one who thinks Sam is not acting normal either? Is everyone just glad that Sam is painstakingly saving everyone? I still think he's acting extreme and a bit suicidal.

Also, this is the second time in two weeks that a character has wanted to die, but not even floated the idea of suicide - like, both times, they try to get someone else to kill them, but it doesn't seem to cross their mind to kill themselves.
Very good point! Maybe they just want to stress how Cas and Sam are unable to kill? Rather than the opposite? I think they are going through similar trauma.

Maybe I'm nitpicking, but Sam uses the phrase, "You know what?..." when he tells Dean to go and kill Amara. But that "you know what?" bothers me. It's offhanded sort of, and sounds either like he doesn't want to kill Amara himself so he's getting Dean to handle it, or he knows Dean won't be able to kill her anyway so he's being offhanded about it. It's just a feeling I get from that starter.

I kinda wanted Amara to be a being from BEFORE God, like, Amara was first (the Darkness) and then God came (and then there was light)....it fits in with the fact that I tend to like dualistic mythologies
Well, Amara could be God's older sister... :D

Of course in the Bible, the darkness has always been there and always will be. All God did was create light and separate it from the darkness.
hells_half_acre
Nov. 15th, 2015 04:14 pm (UTC)
I think there is definitely something wrong with Dean - but his actions remind me more of MoC Dean, and I think as you mentioned in your rewatch reviews that Dean would relinquish responsibilities and actually not want to kill if he was soulless - just like he acted when he was demon.

Agreed.

Am I the only one who thinks Sam is not acting normal either? Is everyone just glad that Sam is painstakingly saving everyone? I still think he's acting extreme and a bit suicidal.

Hmmm... I don't know. I think maybe he's feeling guilty about causing all this, perhaps, and he might be overcompensating and taking risks so that he can feel like he's saving people rather than making the situation even worse. If that makes any sense... but I don't necessarily think that he's acting suicidal at all.

It's offhanded sort of, and sounds either like he doesn't want to kill Amara himself so he's getting Dean to handle it, or he knows Dean won't be able to kill her anyway so he's being offhanded about it. It's just a feeling I get from that starter.

Interesting. I guess time will tell!

Of course in the Bible, the darkness has always been there and always will be. All God did was create light and separate it from the darkness.

True, good point.
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