?

Log in

No account? Create an account

Previous Entry | Next Entry

Quick Reaction: 10x05 Fan Fiction

How do I even begin to type this up!?!?!

Okay, first off, before I even get into the episode... I love it. If you didn't love it, please refrain from commenting, because you know I hate negativity and I feel like this was a love letter to the fans and if it's not taken in that spirit, I don't even want to know. Not that your opinion doesn't matter - but it doesn't matter to me. :P

Also, I was drinking red wine tonight, which apparently hits me 3x harder than white - so I am not as think as you drunk I am.

As per usual, I've seen this episode once, while drinking, so my memory might not be spot on - if I get a major plot or character point wrong, then please correct me - otherwise, if I capture the jist of the things but get minor details wrong, don't bother correcting me ... and all quotes are paraphrased.

Okay, so... let's figure out WHERE EVEN TO BEGIN!

I loved the THEN and Now... I mean, I love that the THEN was just that computer screen and the pilot written by Eric Kripke - geezus. Feelings already.

And then we get Dean making Baby all shiny and the engine looking good and he's just in a t-shirt, and Sam's coming out of the motel room all sleep mussed and Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh.... I'm attracted to boys.

Actually, I've jumped ahead. Damn it! I'm already getting it wrong. The opening we already saw the musical! With the girl on the couch and the ghost and the drama teacher quiting. I loved her "there's too much drama in the drama department"... because, yeah, this episode is about fandom, and sometimes there IS too much drama - it's actually why I'm pretty removed from fandom everywhere except my own very controlled LJ. So, I liked this, because they kind of nodded to the darker side of fandom without actually pointing a figure at it, but got it out of the way early.

And the SAMULET! I love the inside-joke thing about the real reason that the Samulet disappeared - it kept hitting Jensen in the mouth and it was annoying, just like the ring kept cutting his finger (because he had opened too many beers with it) and so both "disappeared" canonically.

Then Drama teacher is sucked into the bushes by vines and I make a "Groot" joke, but my gardener friends start making jokes about Wisteria, because apparently it is an uncontrollable monster of a plant that also has purple flowers.

Okay, THEN we get hot mechanic/sleepy boys.... and Dean thinks the drama teacher disappearing is a case, and Sam is like "yeah, okay, whatevs, as long as you are feeling better dude" and then they go...

NO! Wait, I have to talk about the opening... I LOVED the title card, with the lights, and Marie saying it needs more *sound affect* and then them going through all the title cards ever... and so lovely.

OKAY, NOW WE GET THE BOYS....

And then they go to the school and Sam talks about how he was in Our Town (again! Yay! Shout-out to fact we learned way back in S1) and we find out that it was the only play that Sam was ever in, but he worked Tech on Oklahoma and is actually a theatre nerd - and I LOVE HIM SO MUCH. And I loved his defense of Oklahoma as being the play that Hugh Jackman was discovered in... and then Dean saying that Sam only worked tech on it, and Sam being all like "shut-up." And I love them.

And then we actually see their reaction they get to the auditorium and the girls are all singing about Sam and Dean - and it's the classic horror movie zoom-ins on their reactions - and it's hilarious and wonderful.

I loved Sam going with the FBI ruse, and then seeing the actors doing it on the stage and stopping Dean - and introducing himself as Smith, and Dean not thinking quick enough to come up with a non-rock alias and just saying Smith too. And I love how Dean couldn't even stay in FBI character because he had to blurt out "There's no singing in Supernatural!"

I then love the ensuing conversation where Dean says that they should have at least put in classic rock, and they say they've put in Carry On My Wayward Son, and Sam's like "Really?" And both Dean and Marie defend it as a "classic"... I love that Dean and Sam just come off as fanboys.

But mostly I love how Sam just rolls with it - I love that he's the first to be charmed, and then when he smiles and tries to say to Dean that it's charming - and Dean's face is all *grr* and Sam's just like "No? Okay, no, not charming - back to the case then" and it's hilarious.

I also think there must have been inside crew-jokes, because I think that bit where Marie takes Dean past the prop weapons and Dean starts playing with them, and Marie is like "no! stop!" is probably an inside joke about their prop-gun-master Robin - who I know Jensen has talked at conventions about how she's protective of the guns. There are probably plenty other shout-outs that I don't even get - which makes this episode, like the French Mistake, awesome on so many levels.

Meanwhile, we get Sam in the both with Maeve (BTW: Maeve is one of my favourite names. Based solely on the figure from Irish mythology and the desciption: "It was said it took seven men to satisfy her..."  Because Maeve is too awesome to be satisfied by just one man (unless that man is Fergus). ANYWAY...way off topic now...

I love Sam being all like "in my day, we had two CD players" and Maeve just not caring and Sam being all put out, because he's a giant DORK and I love him. And then she tells him not to touch anything, so he touches all the things...

Oh, I forgot to talk about things again... like Dean noticing that Dean and Sam were standing too close together, and repeating his line from 4x18 - "You do know they're brothers, right?" Lovely.... and the whole "BM" scene "Boy Mellow-drama". So awesome that the show can also poke fun at it's own cliches.

And I can't remember when it happens, so I'll just talk about it now - but I love how Dean also notices "Dean" and "Cas" hugging and asks about it - and I love that Maire explains that the actors for Dean and Cas are a real life couple - and that's an ordinary thing, AND THEN Marie goes on to explain how it works with the subtext anyway... and then we get Dean's exasperation at the shipping... but the lesbian couple isn't remarked on at all, because it's normal, and Dean doesn't fetishize it or make any comment about it whatsoever and that's just NICE. (Also, in general, I like how Dean wasn't sexualizing any of the girls in this episode - in the past, we HAVE had Dean sexualize High School students - notably in S4, but that was 6 years ago, 8 years ago if you follow chronological time in the SPN 'verse, and Dean is well into his thirties now, and I like how he's NOT a dirty old man.)

I also absolutely loved the direct look into camera by Jensen Ackles - the breaking of the fourth wall SO COMPLETELY for that second actually worked so well.


I also love how we find out that the second half of the play is Marie's fanfiction and she's got robots, space, and tentacles (all things that I know from talking to Robbie at VanCon 2013, the writers haven't been allowed to include in episodes (so far) - no matter how much they may want to.)... and I love Dean telling her what ACTUALLY happened, and her laughing and saying that it's the worst fanfiction she's ever heard. And it really is another message about the show and the fans - that the fans don't have to love every aspect of the show to still be fans, to still be adored by the show and treasured - that you can disagree with storylines and still be part of the fandom - that as long as you love the Winchesters, you an write your own fanon and play with them however you like, and you're still considered a treasured fan.)

And I LOVE LOVE LOVE Sam critiquing the portmanteau ship names as they walk tot he car - "shouldn't it be Deastiel?" And then making his OWN portmanteau ship names with HIM and Castiel - and EVERYTHING ABOUT IT IS AWESOME. Dean's uncomfortable with being shipped, but Sam's just like "Huh, I wonder what the name for ME and Cas would be... this is a fun game!" and Dean's like "OMG SHUT-UP" my only complaint is that Sam never said "Sassy" which is my favourite ship name for what is more commonly known as Sastiel - but, granted, it's the least intiative ship name. Anyway, my point is that once again, Sam is more secure in his sexuality/masculinity than Dean...

And then they conclude that there isn't a case and go to leave... but that's when the girl playing Sam is captured by the plant-monster... and so they return.

This time, Marie saw what happened, but no one will believe her. Because she's read the Supernatural books though, she now realizes that they're true - that the supernatural DOES exist - so Dean and Sam try to go with the truth and reveal who they are - but Marie and Maeve just laugh, because the books are FICTION. But luckily for Sam and Dean, they DO believe that the X-files might be real, so Sam and Dean go with that excuse for their presence. Then it's fun, because Sam and Dean work WITH Marie and Maeve to solve the mystery.

So, they say it's a Tulpa, but Sam has his doubts, because that should take more psychic energy, and also doesn't explain the flower... but Dean and Marie burn the "terrifying" scarecrow just in case they're right about the Tulpa.

Meanwhile, Sam discovers that the flower is associated with the goddess Calliope, which is yet another mythological name that I absolutely love - because, man, that name is just so beautiful to say. It fits in the mouth like the most delicious linguistic morsel.

They discover that Calliope, the Muse, defends authors works until they're fully realized and then she eats the author - this means that there's still a chance that the two victims thus far are still alive. The only problem is that they have to use Marie as bait. The show must go on.

So it does! And it's great! It's just - charming, like Sam said... and the songs are hilarious and very high-school musical... and it's a full stage production.

I love the bit with the ponchos for the first few rows - and the one guy who actually listens... but we'll get to that.

I love Dean getting fully involved in the production, making sure that Marie's vision comes to life - becoming a champion for her interpretation of HIS LIFE, even though he might not agree with every aspect of it. Again, it's such a show of support to fandom, "go, use this thing we've created however you want - we love and support you, even if your interpretations are vastly different than what we intended."

Also, for someone who supposedly hates musical theatre, Dean can quote RENT of all shows... so, take that where you want. ;)

And then the show starts, and the "scarecrow" actually appears and Dean tries to tell Sam, but Sam totally just thinks Dean is giving him an approving nod, and it's hilarious.

Oh, I've forgotten to talk about something else - I love that Marie is a Sam!girl. It's so cute - especially because Dean's been the one bonding with her the whole time, so, ironic and perfect. Also, I love that her wig was from her "one woman Orphan Black show" - I believe I quipped "That's what Orphan Black IS!!" Because, hey, I'm a fellow Canadian who is super proud of Tatiana Maslany.

And I love the song that they have "Sam" sing about how much he loves his brother - and I miss the "Dean" part of the "Single Man Tear" duet, because I was too distracted by Dean fighting the monster, but I'm sure I'll be able to find the lyrics on the internet soon. ;)

But yeah, Sam gets abducted by the monster first, and ends up in the basement with the other two kidnap victims. All alive! And Calliope, who tells Sam that Supernatural has EVERYTHING and it's a great show - and I just love that whole speech... and the whole time she does it, the two ladies she kidnapped previously conspire to surprise attack her and get the killing-stake back in Sam's hand... and it's just perfect, because even though Sam does the killing, these ladies rescue THEMSELVES.

And it's the same onstage - as Dean gets the shit kicked out of him, Marie picks up the stake and confronts what is obviously a fear of hers: The scarecrow... and yes, she kills him because she stabs him at the same time Calliope dies, but she still saves HERSELF using the tools that Dean and Sam gave her. Oh my god, I am actually getting emotional - but all I can think about is all those ladies at conventions who tell Jared, Jensen or Misha about how the show, or they, saved their lives because of helping them through a dark time - but really those ladies saved themselves and all the show, or J2 or Misha, did was provide them with a source of courage to do so. Oh man, I'm usually not this much of a sap - I'm totally blaming the wine - but I just want you all to know how BRILLIANTLY this was written by Robbie Thompson for this reason. These women all saved THEMSELVES and I think that's so important.

The front row gets sprayed with purple goo and the one dude who actually covered up gives them a standing ovation at Intermission - and it's HILARIOUS and BRILLIANT.

Before they come back from intermission, Marie actually realizes that yes, this IS Dean from the books - and she gives him the prop Samulet and tells him he never should have thrown it away - but Dean corrects her and tells her that he doesn't need a symbol to tell him how he feels about his brother... and YES, EXACTLY - this is why I don't care that the amulet is gone - that I think it was actually more of a symbol of the relationship that they needed to leave behind, rather than the relationship that they needed to move forward.... which is why I like the fact that Marie gave Dean a NEW amulet - a prop one, that's handmade and DIFFERENT, because it's about a different relationship now - but I'll get to that.

And then we get the Brother-Moment scene... and it's had at the same time as the one on stage... and Sam is freaked out, but Dean shushes him and they just watch...

Wait, is that before Carry On or after? Because the rendition of Carry On was beautiful and reminds me of singing it at Karaoke at the Cons - and I love how Dean and Sam kind of get it... and pause and just listen....

And then we get Sam listening to the Brother-Moment, and "Sam" telling "Dean" that it's them against the world, that in the car, hunting, is where they belong - and Sam just says "what she said"... and ugh, I just love it. Not least of which is because the whole cast is girls - but I'll get to that too...

Oh man, *I* nearly forgot to talk about Adam - but I love that in an episode where they DO bring back the Samulet, they also poke fun at the dropped thread that it Adam. I love how hilarious and awkward Sam and Dean are when they ASK who the other cast member is and are told it's Adam, and they just sort of look at each other and then look ANYWHERE ELSE. Hahaha... poor Adam. For the record, I think Adam was dead before Michael fell into the cage, but I'm probably alone in that.

And then we get the final scene in the car - where Dean takes out the prop-amulet and hangs it over the rearview mirror - casting a glance over at Sam, because he's not putting it up there for himself, he's putting it up there so that Sam knows that Dean loves him.

(Meanwhile, all I could hear in my head was my Aunt's voice saying "Only assholes hang stuff from their rearview mirror" ... my apologies to any of you who hang things from your rearview mirror.... I don't actually believe that, but my aunt sure does, so I had to laugh when Dean did it.)

ETA: I forgot to talk more about the new amulet - I like that it's different and new, because it symbolizes the relationship that they have NOW rather than the one they had as kids. It symbolizes the "you and me against the world" the "what she said" relationship - rather than the caregiver-Dean/little-Sammy relationship of their youth, where Sam gave Dean the amulet originally intended for his father, because he viewed Dean as a better father. This new amulet isn't about what was, it's not connected to their shitty childhood or the night that Sam found out about monsters. It acknowledges those things, because it's in the shape of the amulet that was about those things, but it's DIFFERENT and the visual difference is a reference to the difference in symbolic meaning - and I love it.

The Winchester drive off into the night....

And then we get the PERFECT END SCENE... as Marie and Maeve find out that someone from the publishing house DID come and watch the show, and she stammers and stares and runs up to greet the person - asking if he liked it, hoping that she hadn't offended... and the camera pans around to reveal... CHUCK!  And Chuck smiles and declares it "not bad." AND EVERYTHING IS PERFECT AND NOTHING HURTS.

This did spark a debate in my friends house, as they recalled that Chuck was a recluse who was never scene - and they didn't understand how Marie would have recognized him. I argued that she might have assumed, my friend argued that that wasn't good enough... and then I remembered that Chuck appeared at that Supernatural Convention in S5, so there WOULD be pictures of him and Marie, being a fangirl, would have definitely of seen those pictures - so mystery solved.

Also, God came to her show!! I mean, that very rarely happens in musical theatre. ;)

So, that's basically the episode, but I also wanted to talk about two other brilliant things about this episode:
1)The cast (speaking roles) was ALL GIRLS except for Dean and Sam. Before, when Supernatural did the meta-episode in S5 with the Convention, they did a subversive wave to the fandom by making the audience all guys - doing the reverse of what conventions were like as a sort of weird joke about how that's exactly how they weren't. But I like the fact that they went the opposite direction here and pretty overtly acknowledged and showcased their very strong female support for the show - male fans don't need the kind of cultural support that female fans do - and so it was so awesome for Supernatural to have an entire episode that was about supporting it's female fans, recognizing how passionate, creative, and amazing they are, and how Sam and Dean couldn't defeat monsters without them.
2) No one died! Just Calliope, the monster of the episode... but no one else. I think that's so sweet for an episode about the fans - because they certainly don't want fans to die, and they also know how much fans hate it when people die, even if the writing is brilliant and they get the best send-off imaginable... we still just want everyone to live and be happy ever after, even though we should know damn well by now that we're watching a tragedy - so for his one episode, that's what they gave us - an everybody lives happy ever after.

So yes, in the absence of Ben Edlund, Robbie Thompson has become my favourite SPN writer and this episode just cements that.



Okay, so, I'm sure I missed a TON of stuff...  please talk to me in comments!!

Comments

( 33 comments — Leave a comment )
pushistyj_koshk
Nov. 12th, 2014 08:39 am (UTC)
I didn't see it yet - different time zones and all. And now it's day (Sam: It was night and now it's day!) and I have to work. So, 10 to 12 hours till I'll be able to watch it. And me being me, I dreamt about the 200th episode ALL NIGHT LONG and it was horrible - I don't know, what my psyche's been getting high on. And then I weak up and there are crickets chirping in LJ - no reviews whatsoever. That's really scary, you know. Make you think "Was it THAT bad?"

I'm glad you liked it. Now I can maybe get some work done :)
hells_half_acre
Nov. 12th, 2014 08:41 am (UTC)
Maybe there are crickets because this took me 3 hours to type up! No one else is done yet. :P

I hope you like it when you do see it! :)
supernutjapan
Nov. 12th, 2014 09:35 am (UTC)
I loved it <3<3
The girl in the beginning talking about their lighted sign of Supernatural and going... "It needs a bit more...." and waving her hands *giggles* I'm definitely making a gif of the combo title card and replacing the one I got from the Season 8 gag reels!
The boys were beautiful! That shot of them while they listened to Carry On... My heart...I loved Castiel's waiting song too! And I loved that Sam downstairs and Sam upstairs ganked the monster! heeee!! And Dean... flying through the air as he fought with the "scarecrow" !! poor Dean but it was quite hilarious LOL

There is just too much!
hells_half_acre
Nov. 12th, 2014 04:29 pm (UTC)
Yay! Yes, it was such a good episode with so many good bits! :)
elvit
Nov. 12th, 2014 09:54 am (UTC)
Thank you, it was such a pleasure to read it!

Yes, I LOVE this episode!

Thank you for telling about Adam dying before falling into the cage - I never thought about it, but I like the idea very much!
hells_half_acre
Nov. 12th, 2014 04:31 pm (UTC)
I'm glad you liked the episode! Such a fun time.

And thanks for liking my Adam idea too! :)
strgazr04
Nov. 12th, 2014 10:59 am (UTC)
I loved this episode more than I can write in words. And for all the reasons you discussed. After all the retcon and all the dropped storylines and all the past meta stuff with Becky, it's like a display of the fact that the show really DOES understand their fans. Or at the very least, Robbie Thompson does. He's been my favorite writer since the moment he started. I remember seeing his first episode and being shocked because it felt like it was written by a true fan.

Ok for some actual specifics:
I was very worried we'd have some scene of Dean being as excited about an all girls case the way he was in the siren episode. I'm so glad that wasn't what happened. He was actually kind of..almost fatherly to the girls, especially Marie. Who woulda thought huh? Grizzled, rough and tough hunter Dean Winchester being fatherly to a teenage girl lol.

The whole shipping terms - I don't know if Sam was more comfortable discussing them because he's solid in his masculinity or because he just liked getting a rise out of Dean the same way Dean does shit to get a bitchface from Sam. Ugh love these guys.

The amulet made me so happy. It's always bugged me. And I've actually talked to ppl online saying I wish that even if Sam gave it back and Dean didn't want to wear it (bc of the issues Jensen's said), then he could keep it in his room at the bunker or hanging from the rear view. So shocked it actually (kinda) happened. I wonder if it'll stay hanging there now or mysteriously disappear.

Love that Dean unknowingly quoted Rent (then Marie mentioned how they 'i.e. the network' wouldn't get in trouble for copyright because it wasn't spot on) and then the girls sing Kansas in a spotlight lineup just like the "525,600 Minutes" number from Rent.

And can we talk about the last driving scene actually showing the PMP (poor man's process) the show used to use with the flashlights and things to look like the car was actually moving when they filmed? That was awesome.

The only thing I don't really get was why, when the bros were driving off, it went into really obvious CGI. Was that supposed to be like them disappearing back into 'fiction'?

My other question was in the opening scene the girls -as the bros- burst in on the fake ghost and 'Dean' says "Ghost? Meet Winchesters". I thought Chuck never wrote the last names in the books. That was why he believed Dean and Sam were the real deal when they came to his house. Their names were mentioned in the unpublished but released stuff? What did Marie say it was? Dark Side Of The Moon? Kinda funny then that no one has put together the bros' last name with those guys who used to be wanted by the FBI or the guys who robbed all those banks on the news a few years ago...

Edited at 2014-11-12 11:03 am (UTC)
liliaeth
Nov. 12th, 2014 04:07 pm (UTC)
Well think about it, she mentions Chuck, so she would have read "Monster at the end of the book" where the name Winchester probably was mentioned.
hells_half_acre
Nov. 12th, 2014 04:43 pm (UTC)
liliaeth beat me to the explanation of why they knew the last name. Also, because, the final Supernatural books (S4 and S5) were leaked after Chucks disappearance - and by "Becky Winchester" - I'm guessing that they were leaked sometime in the latter half of S7, or possibly in the gap year between S7&S8... at which point, either people would have forgotten the FBI hunt already OR they figured Chuck stole the last name from that.

Or you could just accept that people have a VERY short attention span/memory for FBI/police hunts for murderers :P

He's been my favorite writer since the moment he started. I remember seeing his first episode and being shocked because it felt like it was written by a true fan.

Agreed! And I was able to talk to him a bit at VanCon2013, and he is the NICEST. :)

He was actually kind of..almost fatherly to the girls, especially Marie. Who woulda thought huh? Grizzled, rough and tough hunter Dean Winchester being fatherly to a teenage girl lol.

Yes! I loved the change - and as someone else pointed out, Ben would be a teenager by now, so, technically Dean COULD be these girls' father - and it's nice to see a character mature.

I wonder if it'll stay hanging there now or mysteriously disappear.

I guess we'll find out!

And can we talk about the last driving scene actually showing the PMP (poor man's process) the show used to use with the flashlights and things to look like the car was actually moving when they filmed? That was awesome.

YES! That was indeed awesome.

The only thing I don't really get was why, when the bros were driving off, it went into really obvious CGI. Was that supposed to be like them disappearing back into 'fiction'?

I think it's because they wanted them to drive off into a the "backdrop" that the girls had on stage.

elvit
Nov. 12th, 2014 12:19 pm (UTC)
I just sat to rewatch the episode and - ha! In the very beginning Sam leaves a motel room 200. )))
hells_half_acre
Nov. 12th, 2014 04:44 pm (UTC)
Yes! They did that in the 100th episode too! I forgot to keep an eye out for it, so I'm glad you did. :)
elvit
Nov. 12th, 2014 05:47 pm (UTC)
I noticed it first and then read about the 100th episode in superwiki ))
fannishliss
Nov. 12th, 2014 01:41 pm (UTC)
I am so happy about the episode!

Here are three more tidbits that I really loved:

The opening song, Sundown, by Gordon Lightfoot. That is a sad and creepy song, and it was interesting that they put it in because it still indicates that Dean is not completely in the clear from the Mark of Cain.

The poster of Joss Whedon as Shakespeare!!

And the fact that it was Dean who hated musicals, when in reality, Jensen was the male lead in West Side Story in high school. and then of course, Dean kind of lets out that he knows the lyrics to Rent. oh Dean. :D

strgzr above was mentioning how Dean was kind of fatherly to the teenaged girls -- and we've certainly seen before that he is protective when kids are involved -- but Dean could actually be the dad of a teenager (Ben!) D:

Also I liked your idea that Adam actually isn't in the cage with Lucifer. It seems like Sam would remember if he had been there? but the other half of that is, what happened to Michael? ???

I really loved the ep. When Chuck appeared at the end I totally cried. and also when Dean said "kick it in the ass" were there any dry eyes in the house???? ;_;

I agree with you -- Robbie Thompson has really proven that he gets what Supernatural is supposed to be. :)

hells_half_acre
Nov. 12th, 2014 04:48 pm (UTC)
I didn't realize that was a Gordon Lightfoot song - my mother loves him. And yes, an interesting choice, in retrospect.

I missed the poster of Joss Whedon as Shakespeare, but that's hilarious.

And the fact that it was Dean who hated musicals, when in reality, Jensen was the male lead in West Side Story in high school. and then of course, Dean kind of lets out that he knows the lyrics to Rent. oh Dean. :D

Haha, yup - and Jared actually did run tech in High School.

Also I liked your idea that Adam actually isn't in the cage with Lucifer. It seems like Sam would remember if he had been there? but the other half of that is, what happened to Michael? ???

I think Michael's in the cage. I think, perhaps, that he wasn't as interested in torturing Sam as Lucifer was... or, since the cage can seemingly be whatever the angels decide it is - he just went off to sulk while Lucifer had first go at Sam.

I really loved the ep. When Chuck appeared at the end I totally cried. and also when Dean said "kick it in the ass" were there any dry eyes in the house???? ;_;

Yeah, it was awesome. I had dry eyes, but that's just because I have no soul. ;)

liliaeth
Nov. 12th, 2014 03:48 pm (UTC)
Anyway, my point is that once again, Sam is more secure in his sexuality/masculinity than Dean...

I think it also helps that Sam is very much heterosexual. Looking at his character, I just can't think of him as anything else but straight. So to him, the whole shipping thing isn't an issue, since he knows he isn't interested in Cas in that way.

Compared to Dean who to me is clearly bisexual, but has a hard time accepting that, because it isn't what John would have told him a man is supposed to be. So since there is some truth in how Dean sees Cas, even if he won't admit it to himself, the whole idea of him getting shipped with Cas is more of an issue for him
hells_half_acre
Nov. 12th, 2014 04:59 pm (UTC)
That was kind of part of my point with that comment. There's usually a reason for insecurity or the over-performance of masculinity.

It doesn't necessarily mean that Dean is bisexual (though, for the record, my headcanon is that he is, at least a little) - it could just be Dean's reaction the more "feminine" personality traits that he possesses and how they didn't fit in with how John would have expected Dean to be.

liliaeth
Nov. 12th, 2014 06:02 pm (UTC)
Well there is the bit where Dean was raised by John, while Sam for the most part, was raised by Dean. Which probably helped Sam in being more secure in his sexuality.

I did love the ep, the only thing I disagree with you on, is the part about liking that Marie was a Sam-girl.

Just once, I wish that the show had shown a fan who's very much a Dean girl. Dean really needs to get that kind of admiration every once and a while, since he gets it way too rarely.
hells_half_acre
Nov. 12th, 2014 06:13 pm (UTC)
We'll have to disagree on that last part of your comment - though, I think we're both probably right and BOTH the boys need more admiration.

But yes, I do think that the reason that Sam is more secure in himself is because he had Dean looking after him growing up and not just John.
pushistyj_koshk
Nov. 12th, 2014 08:11 pm (UTC)
It was adorable! :) Though I'm glad we never saw robots and tentacles in space.

I'll get back to you after I've read your post :)
hells_half_acre
Nov. 12th, 2014 08:46 pm (UTC)
Haha, me too. :)
katsheswims
Nov. 12th, 2014 08:18 pm (UTC)
I loved it!

I don't think Marie actually recognized Chuck as Chuck (Supernatural book writer), because in the beginning she thought Sam and Dean were "publishers" and before she runs up to Chuck her friend tells her that someone picked up the ticket for the publisher that she reserved. Although maybe she did know who he was, it just hadn't occurred to me before you mentioned it?
hells_half_acre
Nov. 12th, 2014 08:45 pm (UTC)
She did recognize him as Chuck, because she makes a comment about whether Calliope was there for her or for him - indicating that she recognizes him as an author, not just a publisher.

Glad you liked the episode!
katsheswims
Nov. 19th, 2014 07:24 pm (UTC)
Oh, I didn't hear that. Good catch!
pushistyj_koshk
Nov. 12th, 2014 09:15 pm (UTC)
Ok, I'm back now. First off - I'm SO glad, my worst fears were not confirmed. I couldn't avoid the spoilers completely, so I did have some reservations. I'm glad the episode wasn't very much of a school play. And it was really funny! I can honestly say, I'm gonna rematch the hell out of it :)


Re: And then we get Dean making Baby all shiny and the engine looking good and he's just in a t-shirt, and Sam's coming out of the motel room all sleep mussed and Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh....

Yes! A lot of focus on the three major characters. And "We have work to do!"


Re: And the SAMULET! I love the inside-joke thing about the real reason that the Samulet disappeared - it kept hitting Jensen in the mouth and it was annoying, just like the ring kept cutting his finger

I actually cut my finger with a ring once and the scar is still there after some 20 years. Never wear a ring with sharp edges! Also, I used to open beers on tables and picket fences.


Re: Then Drama teacher is sucked into the bushes by vines and I make a "Groot" joke

Groot! :) Thanks for this comment :)


Re: I loved Sam going with the FBI ruse, and then seeing the actors doing it on the stage and stopping Dean - and introducing himself as Smith, and Dean not thinking quick enough to come up with a non-rock alias and just saying Smith too.

It's not the first time they were "agents Smith and Smith. no relation". Remember how Frank Devereaux made them use unremarkable aliases?


Re: But mostly I love how Sam just rolls with it - I love that he's the first to be charmed, and then when he smiles and tries to say to Dean that it's charming - and Dean's face is all *grr* and Sam's just like "No? Okay, no, not charming - back to the case then" and it's hilarious.

And Dean's just gonna be sick :)


BTW: Maeve is one of my favourite names.

And I love the name Siobhán, which was also in the episode.


Re: my only complaint is that Sam never said "Sassy" which is my favourite ship name for what is more commonly known as Sastiel

Hey! I never knew it!


Re: Meanwhile, Sam discovers that the flower is associated with the goddess Calliope

And here I am - no idea that Calliope is a Greek goddess and thinking that the name is reserved exclusively to Calliope Iphegenia "Callie" Torres. Shame on me!


Re: I love how hilarious and awkward Sam and Dean are when they ASK who the other cast member is and are told it's Adam, and they just sort of look at each other and then look ANYWHERE ELSE. Hahaha... poor Adam.

And it's the EXACT quote from the fans :) They DO pay attention!


Re: And then we get the final scene in the car - where Dean takes out the prop-amulet and hangs it over the rearview mirror - casting a glance over at Sam, because he's not putting it up there for himself, he's putting it up there so that Sam knows that Dean loves him.

It was awesome! I do kinda agree with your Aunt though, but the amulet is no fuzzy dice, so I can make an exception.


Re: And then we get the PERFECT END SCENE... as Marie and Maeve find out that someone from the publishing house DID come and watch the show, and she stammers and stares and runs up to greet the person - asking if he liked it, hoping that she hadn't offended... and the camera pans around to reveal... CHUCK! And Chuck smiles and declares it "not bad." AND EVERYTHING IS PERFECT AND NOTHING HURTS.

Yes! The feels!!! I am really fond of Chuck. It was a great touch.


God, I'm so positive today - I make me sick!

And I am so looking forward to your rematch of the episode next year. The one I'll spend 3 hours reading and commenting.
hells_half_acre
Nov. 12th, 2014 09:46 pm (UTC)
I couldn't avoid the spoilers completely, so I did have some reservations. I'm glad the episode wasn't very much of a school play. And it was really funny! I can honestly say, I'm gonna rematch the hell out of it :)

Same here. I was getting nervous that it'd be super awkward, but it was great!

Also, I used to open beers on tables and picket fences.

And here I am using a beer opener like a chump. :P

It's not the first time they were "agents Smith and Smith. no relation". Remember how Frank Devereaux made them use unremarkable aliases?

Very true!

And I love the name Siobhán, which was also in the episode.

Another fine Irish name!

And I am so looking forward to your rematch of the episode next year. The one I'll spend 3 hours reading and commenting.

And I will most likely spend 8 hours writing it. :P

shadowsong26
Nov. 13th, 2014 02:53 am (UTC)
I left this episode last night feeling SO FREAKING HAPPY. Most of what I have to say is basically flaily YAY sooooo. But because I'm me I think I did manage to squeeze in an eensy bit of Overthinking. :P

I did not actually know the out-of-universe explanation for the Samulet/ring disappearing!

I do admit to a couple tiny nitpicky issues with this episode, despite my overall love of it--and the first was with the CGI on the vines. It wasn't great...

And yes, mechanic/sleepy boys were v. hot.

OMG THE TITLE CARD. It went by so fast though I need it to be accessible so I can frame-by-frame to see all of them XD

And then they JUST MISSED THE BANNER when they were walking in omg

The boys totally came off as fans there. It was awesome.

My own inner HS theatre geek kinda cringed when he started playing with the lights I'm not gonna lie. I was torn between "aw, Sammy, you're a dork!" and "YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER! DO NOT MESS WITH THEIR SETTINGS!" And basically I love this episode because the boys are HAPPY DORKY BOYS AND I LOVE IT WHEN THEY'RE HAPPY DORKY BOYS AND IT DOESN'T HAPPEN OFTEN ENOUGH.

Totally agreed with you on the reaction to the reaction to Dean's (granted, incomplete enough to kinda merit it) explanation. Basically, this episode was full of messages that made me feel loved as a fan and it made me haaaaaaappy.

THE SCENE WITH PLAYING WITH THE PORTMANTEAU SHIP NAMES OMG YES.

Oh, right, there's an actual plot, not just flaily happy joy.

And here came my two other tiny nitpicks--first, Marie knew Chuck's real name and I don't know how? Maybe it came from The Real Ghostbusters, which I haven't rewatched recently? And the other nitpick was that I actually didn't like Cas's song very much. I liked all the other songs (and I REALLY REALLY WANT the Carry On cover OMG) but...yeah.

And ooooooh man this episode took me back to my own HS theatre days. Though I was only onstage for the Shakespeare, I was always in the pit for the musicals...

On the subject of Sam doing the killing while the ladies saved themselves--I saw a response somewhere else that pointed out it was basically three different versions of Sam killing the monster--original actress, Marie the understudy, and actual Sam. And I kinda love that.

Also, I love the audience reactions to the whole thing. Just...love it.

And yes the brother-moment was soooooo beautiful.

And ADAM! I actually don't want Adam back at this point--though I disagree with you, I don't think he was dead before falling into the Cage? Mostly cause I don't think an angel can inhabit a vessel without a consenting soul, with the sole exception of Cas after one of his resurrections, cause God is allowed to break his own rules, I mean we've never seen an angel possess a corpse and they kept bringing back Sam/Dean/brought back Adam to consent, but anyway that's my own headcanon on the mechanics of angelic possession creeping in--cause I think either a) Michael was able to cut his soul loose at the last second (he's in Heaven so bringing him back would be cruel) once he realized where Sam was taking things cause while I'm not fond of Michael, he is very big on Following The Rules, and Adam did everything he was supposed to, or b) after that long in the Cage, bringing him back would pretty much require him being a villain and I don't want villain!Adam, so...yeah. Pretty much the only reason I'd want Adam back would be as a means of exploring exactly what Cas did about Sam's Cagematch scars, and that probably wouldn't really work in the show, so. Mostly I'm happy he's been mentioned because I really just want vessels and hosts to matter again? So every time one is referenced, or given a name/personality outside their possessing entity, it makes me happy.

But, yes, the boys' "NOT EVEN TOUCHING THAT ONE" faces were great.

I have NO IDEA what to do with that Chuck cameo! Other than jump up and down and squee and, y'know, if we don't actually see Chuck again, I wouldn't really mind? I mean, I'd like to know where he's been the last few years? But if all we get is his blessing on Fandom, then I'm actually cool with it.

So, in summation, this episode made me very very happy. :D Going back over it is just bringing back the buzz, too. I can't wait to rewatch it!
hells_half_acre
Nov. 13th, 2014 04:46 am (UTC)
I did not actually know the out-of-universe explanation for the Samulet/ring disappearing!

Oh! Yup - the ring was because it had gotten so damaged over the years that it continually sliced open Jensen's finger. The amulet was because during stunts/action scenes, it would fling up and hit him in the mouth - one time chipping a tooth (though, obviously not noticeable - or perhaps whoever told that story was exaggerating). So, Jensen got rid of the ring in early S5 (I think it never made it back from The End) and then I'm not sure if it just worked out with the amulet or if he asked to have it written out of the show... but either way, he was happy to see it go.

Marie knew Chuck's real name and I don't know how? Maybe it came from The Real Ghostbusters, which I haven't rewatched recently? And the other nitpick was that I actually didn't like Cas's song very much.

I think it must have been Real Ghostbusters - whether we actually see the reveal on screen or not (I don't know if we do, off the top of my head). I think that Marie is enough of a rabid fan that she would have tracked down all information from that con - and possibly she's even friends with Becky. As we know, fandom tends to bring like-minded people together over the internet...and both Marie and Becky are Sam!girls. ;)

And the other nitpick was that I actually didn't like Cas's song very much. I liked all the other songs (and I REALLY REALLY WANT the Carry On cover OMG)

I thought Cas' song was cute - but yeah, that Carry On cover was very pretty. And you can buy it on itunes if you want!

-I saw a response somewhere else that pointed out it was basically three different versions of Sam killing the monster--

Yeah, I saw something pointing that out too - and that's really neat!!

And ADAM! I actually don't want Adam back at this point--though I disagree with you, I don't think he was dead before falling into the Cage? Mostly cause I don't think an angel can inhabit a vessel without a consenting soul, [...] a) Michael was able to cut his soul loose at the last second (he's in Heaven so bringing him back would be cruel) once he realized where Sam was taking things cause while I'm not fond of Michael, he is very big on Following The Rules,

Your A explanation is pretty much why I believe Adam is dead and in heaven - I think Michael got the YES, and then let Adam's soul go to heaven and just too his body to the battle.

But that being said, I do agree with you that I don't want Adam to come back at this point, because he really would either be completely wrecked, or he'd be a villain.

The other thing to consider is back when Raphael took over his vessel, he got his initial yes, and then his vessel ended up severely mentally handicapped after the initial possession - and when Dean asked about it, Cas said that Michael would be worse. (Michael offered to heal Dean) - but you have to ask yourself, with Raphael, if his vessel was severely mentally handicapped, how did he get the second yes? Or was it more a case of the archangels only needing that initial yes. Sam's body went on while being soulless and he WASN'T severely handicapped... so yeah, basically, you don't necessarily need your soul to consent, and it could be that unless the arch-angels purposefully heal their vessels, that the vessel is too damaged to give consent after the initial possession, so consent is assumed based on the original consent.

The point is - the whole situations a big mess, and I doubt Adam is ever coming back - which is just as well.

y'know, if we don't actually see Chuck again, I wouldn't really mind? [...] But if all we get is his blessing on Fandom, then I'm actually cool with it.

I think this will be it for a while - Supernatural has sort of moved into a godless universe - and that whole end scene was basically God GIVING permission for humans/everyone to write the story however they wanted, without his interference. So, I think if we ever do see God again, it will only be in the final episode of the entire series...whenever that may be.
borgmama1of5
Nov. 13th, 2014 03:32 am (UTC)
I was really dreading this...and was totally blown away with how much love was given to the fans...just about the perfect episode, and it was so clear that the brothers' fractured bond was reinforced by this experience--I think that made me that happiest, that and the new Samulet!
hells_half_acre
Nov. 13th, 2014 04:25 am (UTC)
Agreed agreed agreed! :)
marlowe78
Nov. 13th, 2014 02:08 pm (UTC)
First of, I was so happy with this episode, I can't even (yes, that was a quote from Caliope, and it was on purpose! :-D )

At the start, especially when we hadn't seen the Winchesters yet, I was a bit fearful. I loved the drama-teacher running out because of too much drama, and it was fun!
Then, all these title-cards were so awesome, and then we got single-layer-Dean and his car and sleepy Sam - yay!

But when they got to the show and saw all that, and Dean's face when he saw that they were SINGING, and his silent "I'm gonna throw up" - yeah, I was cringing.
All those references to slash in all its glory was a potential train-wreck, BUT it turned around so beautifully!

I adored Sam joking about Destiel/Deastiel and Sastiel, and I thought the female Cas was so adorable with her little wings! Awww.

And when Dean realized that the MotW would eat the author and he turned around and well - he used her as bait but there was never a hint of a doubt that she would be fine!

And then everything just fell into a big, sobby love-letter, one I am really effing happy with. I wasn't sure I would be - but I was.
I still am!!!

The songs well-... I got that "Single man tear" stuck in my head and it's driving me mad, but the text was really beautiful and drove its point across to Dean - I'm sure it did, he looked suitably happy with hearing that emotion (even in song)

And I'm not even coherent enough to say much about the AWESOMENESS that was "Carry on", sung in a musical in an all-girl school. Damn.


I've not much to quote from you today, because basically I agree with everything, but two things stand out for me:
Oh, I've forgotten to talk about something else - I love that Marie is a Sam!girl. It's so cute - especially because Dean's been the one bonding with her the whole time, so, ironic and perfect.

This, but I think it's not so much ironic, when you want to get down to it. I mean... Sam is the person Dean likes the most, and Dean is Sam's most-loved person - so of COURSE Dean would get on with the Sam-girl like a house on fire. He knows how to handle his geeks ;-)

Second:
casting a glance over at Sam, because he's not putting it up there for himself, he's putting it up there so that Sam knows that Dean loves him.

*sobs* That is... I hadn't been able to put into words what that scene symbolized, but yes. This. Which is very mature from Dean, come to think of it... maybe he did indeed have to be saved by his little brother to finally be able to breathe more freely? Maybe. or maybe not, it was still a heartbreaker.


Annnnnd this whole episode was so wonderfully done, with those super girls and I was literally scared by Marie and her ambition. Holy cow, I can only imagine what kind of person she would grow up to be. Such a passionate woman, I really hope Marie will continue to kick ass in whatever field she chooses. (I hope not hunting, though... that's not really a healthy lifestyle)

And Maeve was so cute. Adorable in her geeky supportive-ness, in her believe in the vision Marie put out.
Not to mention Caliope. And Chuck. Yes! Chuck!!!

I love Chuck, and I don't care if he only appeared in one second on screen. He's important, and I don't care if he was there as a stand-in for Kripke in the meta-sphere or for God in canon. I don't care. His approval was important to me and it was important to Marie and her crew.

ah, but there was something else - When Maeve told Marie that the ticket for the publisher was claimed, Marie said something like "What? But then Caliope didn't come for me but..." she didn't say his name, but well. I liked how it made her much humbler than she appeared during the show: she never thought it was HER work that was good enough to be defended by a muse. Yes, she fought for her work and her version of things, she defended it against Dean and Sam and everyone else - but she didn't think, not deep down, that in light of the "original author", her version of events was even good enough to be the aim of the bad muse. I like that about her, this little moment of self-doubt. It made her even more human.

I still think she was one of the scariest characters on the show since a long time. I think as a kid, I would've been terrified of her!

hells_half_acre
Nov. 14th, 2014 03:58 am (UTC)
I mean... Sam is the person Dean likes the most, and Dean is Sam's most-loved person - so of COURSE Dean would get on with the Sam-girl like a house on fire. He knows how to handle his geeks ;-)

Yes, that is what I loved about it too - I just didn't articulate it well because of wine. :P

When Maeve told Marie that the ticket for the publisher was claimed, Marie said something like "What? But then Caliope didn't come for me but..." she didn't say his name, but well. I liked how it made her much humbler than she appeared during the show: she never thought it was HER work that was good enough to be defended by a muse. Yes, she fought for her work and her version of things, she defended it against Dean and Sam and everyone else - but she didn't think, not deep down, that in light of the "original author", her version of events was even good enough to be the aim of the bad muse. I like that about her, this little moment of self-doubt. It made her even more human.

I agree COMPLETELY with this and you've articulated why it's such a great moment for that character very well. So yes, yes to all of this.

I still think she was one of the scariest characters on the show since a long time. I think as a kid, I would've been terrified of her!

Haha, - I think we're trained to negotiate our way through life, and Marie is the type of character you can't negotiate with, because she's so passionate and uncompromising in what she wants. It makes her formidable.

As for everything else you said - agree 100% :)
jedinic
Nov. 18th, 2014 07:17 am (UTC)
Awesome review! I didn't know until reading this the 'real world' reason for the disappearance of the Samulet.

I loved this episode and I think my favourite moment (yes, even more than Chuck!) was the reference to Adam. It was just *perfect*. :D
hells_half_acre
Nov. 18th, 2014 08:23 pm (UTC)
I didn't know until reading this the 'real world' reason for the disappearance of the Samulet.

I'm always surprised it's not more widely known - but then, Jensen may have figured out that people were upset about it being gone and decided to stop being honest at conventions about the fact that he was happy not to have it chipping his teeth anymore. :P

I loved this episode and I think my favourite moment (yes, even more than Chuck!) was the reference to Adam. It was just *perfect*. :D

Yes! Mine too. It really was perfect. :)
( 33 comments — Leave a comment )

Profile

The Damned and the Saved
hells_half_acre
Hell's Half Acre

Latest Month

August 2017
S M T W T F S
  12345
6789101112
13141516171819
20212223242526
2728293031  
Powered by LiveJournal.com
Designed by Tiffany Chow