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Quick Reaction: 10x02 Reichenbach

Alright! Hello!

So, tonight, I not only watched the episode only once while drinking, I also then watched an entire episode of The Flash afterward, so forgive me if my memory is worse than usual. Standard procedure: Only correct me if it's a major plot or character point or if I ask you to - all quotes are meant to be paraphrased only.

First question: Why was this episode called Reichenbach? We couldn't figure out how the reference fit - unless we had the wrong reference, but the only Reichenbach we know is the Sherlock Holmes one. So, let me know if there's some Led Zepplin tune or something called Reichenbach that actually applies...or if I'm just missing something Sherlockian.

OKAY! Now to talk about the actual episode....

Where did we even begin? With Cole in the warehouse? With Dean? With Cas? I have absolutely no idea.

Let's just talk about them separately, and then I don't have to remember.

We'll start with Sam. Sam is with Cole, and we learn that Dean killed Cole's father back in June 2003. I have to admit, we did laugh at the digital de-aging they did on the flashback scene, but it was actually pretty well done, all things considered - and it was neat that they got a jacket lookalike. I don't think they necessarily HAD to do a flashback though, but I guess it adds more drama or something... or maybe it's so that you don't doubt that it's the truth.

So, what do you think Cole's dad was? We don't know of anything that dies just from having its throat slit. Pre-series monsters are actually VERY few in number, unless the writers have messed up canon again. Assuming they HAVEN'T messed up canon, my theory is that a monster killed Cole's father, but Dean let Cole believe that Dean killed him in order for Cole to remain innocent about monsters. But, knowing my luck, the writers probably messed up canon.

We also learn that Cole is a special ops Marine, at the tender age of 24, and has already done two tours of Iraq and been in Darfur and the Congo... pretty impressive for a military career that could only span five years at the most.

Our other snarky question was why the hell Cole was still hunting Dean Winchester when Dean has officially died a bunch of times. Though, I guess maybe the Leviathan put them back on the watch list and they were never taken OFF again after that - that just somehow "went away." Unless I'm forgetting something?

Sam tried to tell him about monsters, but, of course, Sam just comes across looking like a psycho. So, Cole moves to plan B, which is to torture Sam into revealing Dean's location. That wouldn't work on a good day, but today Sam doesn't actually know.

Luckily, Cole's wife and kid act as a deus ex machina, and so does Cole not realizing that his keys fell out of his pocket. And Sam escapes! Yay Sam!

Okay, let's switch back to Dean for a bit, because Sam tracking Dean down isn't THAT thrilling.

Demon!Dean has a weird kind of feminism. Because, on the one hand, he totally tries to molest that stripper against her will, yet, he then kills the sexist douchecanoe. Sorry, I've jumped ahead, but most of you guys have seen the episode...

So, Crowley is basically trying to get Dean to be one of his minions - do the dirty work for Crowley so that the bloodlust is satiated and Dean can remain in control. Can I just say that the demon eyes on Dean are really awesome looking? Because they are.

Maybe it's just on my mind because I just rewatched Bad Boys - but the way Dean refuses to "get to work" as Crowley puts it, makes me think that maybe Dean is viewing this as his ticket out. That demonhood is his retirement. He doesn't want to "work" to build a better hell with Crowley, or to be cured, or to do anything - because Dean's spent his whole life overburdened with responsibility and becoming a demon is actually the perfect excuse NOT to be responsible anymore, NOT to work. I think that's why Dean refuses to leave "vacation" mode... especially "vacation from consequence" mode.

Anyway, Crowley tries to give Dean justifiable killings - I think Crowley has to know that Dean still has...well, DEAN in him. That he's blood thirsty and cruel, but he still has morals that he can't actually shake... or so we think? Anyway, so kill a cheating wife, because apparently we're going back to the dark ages and adultury deserves the death penality. So, Dean goes to the house to do it, but the ex-husband that made the deal shows up.

I do love the conversation between Dean and the idiot. Because my god, that guy is an idiot. Dean kills him for being sexist.

Then he goes to Crowley and thanks him for the chance to kill and satiate the bloodlust, and Crowley is a little angry that he botched the deal and lost Crowley a soul... but, Dean knows the actual score here. Crowley can't control him. Dean ISN'T Crowley's pet or minion or his BFF. Dean has all the power in the relationship and Crowley actually has nothing - so Crowley can't threaten him with anything nor boss Dean around.

Of course, Dean basically lays all this out in front of two of Crowley's minions, so Crowley's authority is thoroughly undermined. It was al ittle over the top, but I did love Crowley turning it into a break-up... the "You can't break up with me, I'm breaking up with you!" kind.

Now lets talk about Cas...

Cas is still dying. Sam calls him to have "all hands on deck" and at the time, Cas is with Hannah and Hannah comes along for the trip. Though she protests that the Winchesters are a bad influence on Castiel. Cas argues that they're the best men he knows, and they're his friends...AWWW... and then in the most hilarious non-segue ever, Hannah says, "I always liked looking at them...." and we're like "Uh, Sam and Dean? Yes, me too!" but then she finished with "...the stars." Oh. Sudden topic change. Right.

But she should have been paying attention, and she also shouldn't have let the dying man drive, because BAMMO! Traffic accident. Cas falls asleep, they nearly hit a truck, and then they end up in a ditch.

They get towed to a tow-truck drivers place. I like the fact that the tow-truck driver is a woman. I also like that Hannah doesn't understand sarcasm. Anyway, Cas falls asleep on the couch, and Hannah is all caring about it.

Then in the morning, Cas wakes up to an adorable little kid, and they are adorable together...and Hannah and the tow-truck driver are like "awww...men with babies are attractive."

On a more serious note, angels apparently don't dream - not even dying ones. Sleep must be VERY boring for them.

Hannah drives this time (I guess she knows how!) and Cas falls asleep in the passenger seat, only to wake up at the gateway-to-heaven park... and we discover that Hannah has gone to the prison to ask Metatron is any part of Cas' grace was recoverable. Metatron names his price as freedom, but then promises to move to a different planet or galaxy. I do have to wonder - if the angels have ALL THE UNIVERSE to roam around in, why choose earth in the first place? The universe is VAST. I do not subscribe to the theory that we're the only life in it - nor do I think we're the BEST life in it - there has got to be some people out there that have their shit together better than us.

Anyway, Cas comes in to stop her. Telling her that deals are bad and that dying is his choice, not hers.

Oh, before we get to that though, more sexism! Man, if Metatron wasn't a jackass before - what the hell is with him telling Hannah that she needs a strong person to dominate her? Ugh, so gross. I'd have stabbed him.

Anyway, Hannah leaves, but Metatron goads Castiel some more, telling him that he WILL eventually escape, and that Castiel should have killed him when he had the chance. Also, that there IS enough of Cas' grace left to save him - but of course, he's not going to tell him where he can find it.

Okay, now back to Sam and Dean.

Sam catches up with Dean at a piano bar. It's not exactly a happy reunion. Sam tells Dean that they can cure demons, Dean tells Sam he doesn't want to be cured. He also tells Sam that it's taking all his energy not to "rip your throat out with my teeth" and this is the part where I squeel at the shared line with Teen Wolf.

Sam takes out the demon cuffs, and just slowly approaches Dean. I don't think Sam would have won that fight, not with a broken shoulder.

Of course, that's when Cole strikes. He smokes Sam out, and then knocks him unconscious. And then announces himself to Dean. Dean makes fun of him for the "Inigo Montoya" moment - and he's not exactly wrong. Given the number of monsters Dean's killed, the amount of YEARS Dean has lived since 2003... I don't think he'd necessarily remember Cole and his father even if he weren't a demon. Which is such a huge insult to people who have dedicated their lives to revenge - "I know I'm all you think about, but you aren't even important enough to me to remember." And, of course, Dean bests him in a fight, no problem.

He doesn't kill him though, and it's enough of a distraction that Sam's able to get the cuffs on him.

We find out that the deal between Sam and Crowley for Dean's location was that Sam would turn over the blade to Crowley. Crowley says he'll throw it in a volcano or the artic or something - but I wonder if he will...

Then, Sam drives Dean back to the bunker... Sam's also successfully saved the Impala too, and we find out that Dean's not been looking after her. "it's just a car." Sam: "you really have gone dark." - again, it's hard to tell whether Dean has actually lost all sentimentality, or if he's just feigning it.

Sam's trying to figure that out as well - bringing up the fact that Dean didn't kill Cole, he showed him mercy. Dean points out that its not mercy, because the only thing worse than dedicating your life to killing someone and then getting killed by that person, is surviving the fight and living on with the knowledge that you've failed. And, I suppose Dean would know this, since John, Dean, and Sam, all dedicated a good chunk of their lives to avenging their mother's death... so really, ironically, Dean and Cole have a lot in common!

And then we get the sinister (and slashy) promise from Dean that "What I'm going to do to you, Sam, it ain't mercy."

TO BE CONTINUED.

ETA: Oh! I know something I forgot - Cole is hip to the fact that demons exist now! I wonder what sort of hunter THAT is going to create? Also, that librarian should have been calling the cops/paramedics like... a minute ago.



Okay, that was shorter than usual, just because I can't remember the miniutae as well as usual.

Let me know what you thought in comments! Let me know what major points I completely neglected to talk about!

Comments

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borgmama1of5
Oct. 15th, 2014 07:38 am (UTC)
but the way Dean refuses to "get to work" as Crowley puts it, makes me think that maybe Dean is viewing this as his ticket out. That demonhood is his retirement.

This. Yes! Exactly how I interpret demon!Dean's behavior as well!

Dean ISN'T Crowley's pet or minion or his BFF. Dean has all the power in the relationship and Crowley actually has nothing...

How happy-making was it to see Crowley totally lose in his attempt at verbal manipulation of a Winchester?! And then I wanted so badly for Dean to whip out the First Blade and stick it in Crowley!!! Couldn't do that, though, they've hired Mark Sheppard for the whole season and that would be a waste of money to kill him off in the second episode...

And I wanted Cas to stick his angel blade in Metatron equally much (my, I'm feeling blood-thirsty tonight)--Metatron alive is just going to end so badly!

Sam looks so terrible--so physically gaunt, not just his face--someone protein-ate that boy stat!

So is there a spark of humanity left in Dean as the explanation for the 'softness' of his choices--letting the bouncer, the wife, and Cole live?

Honestly, I don't think so. Jensen terrifyingly convinced me that human Dean is too far gone...

This was a memorable episode! So not happy to have to live with this anxiety for a whole week!
hells_half_acre
Oct. 15th, 2014 04:03 pm (UTC)
I agree about wanting them to just kill Crowley and Metatron! :P So frustrating that they won't, but then, I guess I'm just more blood-thirsty than the character who is actually suffering from blood-thirstiness.

Sam does look horrible. Jared's skinniness due to not being able to work out, plus Sam being beaten up... yeah, like I said, even without a broken shoulder, Sam didn't look like he was in any shape to win a fight with a charged up Dean.

Seems most people are convinced that Dean isn't human at all anymore...interesting, interesting... I wonder if we'll ever find out, or if Sam will save him before we do.
raloria
Oct. 15th, 2014 12:11 pm (UTC)
I don't think Dean is feigning anything. Just because he doesn't kill everyone he fights doesn't mean anything. It's just that he doesn't care...about anything. It's all "What do I feel like doing at this moment?" Like he told Crowley, he's doing whatever he wants. I simply don't see any of the old Dean still there. He's gone, twisted into this dark version of himself.

I thought the same thing about that librarian! That was a weird scene.
hells_half_acre
Oct. 15th, 2014 04:04 pm (UTC)
So far, it seems most people agree that Dean is gone. I'm still on the fence about it. Eager for more clues next week!

And yes, that librarian... what the heck? :P
elvit
Oct. 15th, 2014 08:42 pm (UTC)
I believe he is not! :)
He cared about that girl in last episode... ))
thursdaysisters
Oct. 15th, 2014 01:53 pm (UTC)
Cole's career makes sense if he did Naval Academy immediately followed by SEAL certification, but even then he had to have been a star pupil.

I took Reichenbach for a Sherlock reference as well, and I guess you could parallel Dean and Cole's fight scene/Sam confronting Dean/Castiel confronting Metatron as paralleling Sherlock fighting Moriarty at the waterfall.
hells_half_acre
Oct. 15th, 2014 04:07 pm (UTC)
I guess he is the best SEAL to ever SEAL.

I guess facing off against nemesis works for a reference... I don't know, Reichenbach usually involves the hero making a self-sacrifice play. It's an odd reference.
thursdaysisters
Oct. 15th, 2014 04:42 pm (UTC)
Someone pointed out that Crowley was a little quick to discharge Dean in exchange for the Blade (including that silent between them when Dean was cuffed in the back of the car), so maybe it's referring to Crowley setting up a long chess game ala Moriarty.
hells_half_acre
Oct. 15th, 2014 07:36 pm (UTC)
Hmmm, yes, I had my suspicions about that too.
frozen_delight
Oct. 15th, 2014 02:16 pm (UTC)
No idea why the episode was called Reichenbach (maybe they meant the very tense confrontation between the brothers?), but I liked it very well indeed.
hells_half_acre
Oct. 15th, 2014 04:08 pm (UTC)
Glad you liked it! :)

The title may remain a mystery, until a day comes when we have an opportunity to ask the writers. :P
elvit
Oct. 15th, 2014 08:44 pm (UTC)
I wonder why Castiel is dying, he seemed pretty stable after Metatron took his grace. Why now?
hells_half_acre
Oct. 15th, 2014 08:53 pm (UTC)
He was stable as a human, but as soon as he stole that other angel's grace - he became an angel again, only this time, a dying one, because you can't live on someone else's grace. And I guess the angels don't know how to make him human again to save him, like Metatron did.
elvit
Oct. 16th, 2014 06:17 am (UTC)
Ah, thank you, that makes sense!
pushistyj_koshk
Oct. 15th, 2014 10:54 pm (UTC)
Re: I have to admit, we did laugh at the digital de-aging they did on the flashback scene, but it was actually pretty well done, all things considered - and it was neat that they got a jacket lookalike.

Exactly! Kudos to the team for trying :) Remember "Repo Man"? They didn't even attempt to make the boys look younger.


Re: We also learn that Cole is a special ops Marine, at the tender age of 24, and has already done two tours of Iraq and been in Darfur and the Congo... pretty impressive for a military career that could only span five years at the most.

I think Cole said he was 13, when his dad was killed.


Re: Though, I guess maybe the Leviathan put them back on the watch list and they were never taken OFF again after that - that just somehow "went away." Unless I'm forgetting something?

There has to be an autopsy report on Sam & Dean Winchester from "Slash Fiction" somewhere in the police database...


Re: I do love the conversation between Dean and the idiot. Because my god, that guy is an idiot. Dean kills him for being sexist.

I actually thought Dean was gonna have sex with the cheating wife first and THEN kill the husband :)


Re: On a more serious note, angels apparently don't dream - not even dying ones. Sleep must be VERY boring for them.

I dreamt last night and I wish I didn't. So there :)


Re: I don't think he'd necessarily remember Cole and his father even if he weren't a demon.

Uh-huh. "You were a teen at the time. Of course I recognized you! You haven't changed a bit!"


Re: Oh! I know something I forgot - Cole is hip to the fact that demons exist now! I wonder what sort of hunter THAT is going to create?

...and then Cole will catch up with the Winchesters later in the season and they'll have so much fun explaining that "No, Dean wasn't a demon at the time, he was a good guy! Forget and move on, Cole!"

* * *

All in all - I loved the episode. Pretty please with cherry on top - let there be less filler episodes in season 10 than last year! So far, so good.

Also, you are a lying LIAR! I was actually expecting a short post here :)

Edited at 2014-10-15 10:54 pm (UTC)
hells_half_acre
Oct. 15th, 2014 11:22 pm (UTC)
I think Cole said he was 13, when his dad was killed.

Yes, that's what I based my math on. It's been 11 years since 2003.

There has to be an autopsy report on Sam & Dean Winchester from "Slash Fiction" somewhere in the police database...

That's what I thought too, I don't know - it's confusing.

I dreamt last night and I wish I didn't. So there :)

My dreams are awesome. :P

Uh-huh. "You were a teen at the time. Of course I recognized you! You haven't changed a bit!"

Exactly! I guess Cole was thinking that Dean would somehow recognize his father's name though - and that's the part that probably stings, that his father wasn't even important enough to remember.

All in all - I loved the episode. Pretty please with cherry on top - let there be less filler episodes in season 10 than last year! So far, so good.

It's hard to judge what a season is going to be like from the first 2 episodes, because they're USUALLY still wrapping up from the finale - but yeah, hopefully it'll be a nicely balanced season.

Also, you are a lying LIAR! I was actually expecting a short post here :)

This IS short. I don't know what you're talking about. :P
pushistyj_koshk
Oct. 16th, 2014 07:20 am (UTC)
Re: Yes, that's what I based my math on. It's been 11 years since 2003.

Ooooh... Me and math, we're not exactly besties. Most of the times I'm having trouble answering a simple question of "How old are you?" :) I just heard something along the lines of "I spent half of my life getting ready for this moment", multiplied 13 by two and got 26 years :)
hells_half_acre
Oct. 16th, 2014 05:37 pm (UTC)
Well, you actually would have been right, if the show went by chronological time (ie: they didn't skip the year between S5-6 and S7-8), because then they'd be in 2016 and Cole would indeed be 26!
pushistyj_koshk
Oct. 16th, 2014 05:47 pm (UTC)
Don't make me think about it! It HURTS!!! :)
khek
Oct. 15th, 2014 11:55 pm (UTC)
The actor playing Cole was born in 1975, so he's older than Jensen. Kind of ridiculous trying to imagine him being 13 when Jensen was 20. There are plenty of young actors out there who could have played the part, if they were going to make such a big point of Cole's age, they should have hired an actor in the 22 - 30 year old range, not someone who's 40. (And even before I figured out his age, I was trying to figure out how he managed to work in two tours in the military, a wife and a child old enough to carry on a conversation with expectations in 11 years. I guess he must have joined the military at 17!)

I do think that Dean is still in there, but I don't think he's in control. I think those moments of mercy or morality are Real!Dean pushing Demon!Dean into the background for a moment and taking control, then letting Demon!Dean think it was his choice. I hope that's it, anyway. I guess we'll see.
hells_half_acre
Oct. 16th, 2014 12:19 am (UTC)
That's a good point! His kid was, what? 6? 7? That would mean he'd basically have to have a kid at 17, and then join the army right away. Unless the kid belongs to his wife.

Also, yeah, if they already had the backstory that indicated he was 24, they should have probably hired a younger dude. I mean, the actor looks very good and I couldn't tell that he was older than Jensen, but it'd still be more believable to get a younger looking guy. Technically, Dean was around 24 when he killed the guys father - and we all know how baby-faced Dean still was at 26 when the series began.

I'm eager to find out more about how Demon!Dean works - I'm guessing we'll find out as Sam saves him, perhaps.
shadowsong26
Oct. 16th, 2014 03:02 am (UTC)
I really enjoyed this episode. I am also confused about the titling--my roommate thinks it might have something to do with Cole instead of either of the boys? Roommate is more up on that than I am, so IDK.

I'm guessing the writers either messed up canon with regard to the Cole!Daddy monster--either that, or they're going to pick something random that's one of those 'well, we never discussed this thing before because it never came up'--like the vetala in s7, or the Peruvian things from last season...there might have been one in s8, too? IDK. Anyway, I could be happy either way, with Cole!Daddy being a monster himself or being monster chow.

...y'know, I didn't even think of that, but yeah, it is kind of weird that Cole missed Dean's various deaths. Unless he was out of the country for at least one of them and then Dean resurfaced and he decided to take those reports with an enormous grain of salt?

Yeah, Sam saying 'I'm not a psycho' was super-convincing there. And I am very glad for that Deus Ex Machina because hammer to the kneecap ow DX poor Sammy...

You have a very good point about Dean seeing his demonicness as his retirement. I'm really enjoying Dean this season so far, and I know it won't last, but he's, like, almost happy. So I'm enjoying it while it's there and not really looking forward to his crash after it's over.

That conversation between Dean and the idiot was amazing. Roommate kept saying 'he's going to kill him, right? Please tell me he's going to kill him.' And then he did, and we were happy.

Crowley was actually a lot less angry than I expected, on finding Dean had screwed his deal for him--between that and the serious undermining he let Dean get away with, I'm wondering if he's actually genuinely realized he bit off more than he could chew here or if he has a much deeper game in play that will end in his favor later...Either way, Dean is def. not his pet/minion/BFF, whatever Crowley might or might not have going on behind the scenes.

I was much, much happier with Hannah this week than I was last week...she wasn't mean this week! She was somewhat stressed/fed up and her lack of human understanding was pretty clear, but she wasn't mean. She felt much more like she did in s9 this week, it made me happy.

Also, I really liked the Metatron jail scene, as much as I loathe him. It was nice to see Hannah slam his face into the bars a little bit, though. I cheered.

Yeah, Sam got saved by that smoke bomb. And OH MY GOD Dean's kitty-cat stalking the mouse fight with Cole was BEAUTIFUL I LOVED IT. And then it got truly vicious and was less awesome, but, hey, Sam managed to grab him!

I'm reserving judgement on what Crowley's doing with the Blade until I figure out what the hell he's doing with the season.

Anyway! This episode left me very happy--nice setup, the few things that bugged me last week wrapped up, and Metatron got smacked--and I'm looking forward to next week :D
hells_half_acre
Oct. 16th, 2014 05:42 pm (UTC)
my roommate thinks it might have something to do with Cole instead of either of the boys? Roommate is more up on that than I am, so IDK.

Maybe! Maybe it's just a fun word to say. :P

Unless he was out of the country for at least one of them and then Dean resurfaced and he decided to take those reports with an enormous grain of salt?

Could be! I mean, yeah, when a guy comes back from the dead three times, you start to not believe when he dies. :P

I'm wondering if he's actually genuinely realized he bit off more than he could chew here or if he has a much deeper game in play that will end in his favor later...Either way, Dean is def. not his pet/minion/BFF, whatever Crowley might or might not have going on behind the scenes.

I'm starting to think that he's playing a longer game somehow - because we also don't know what he told Dean before Dean took off to, ostensibly, kill the woman. So, there's still that mystery.

I was much, much happier with Hannah this week than I was last week...she wasn't mean this week! She was somewhat stressed/fed up and her lack of human understanding was pretty clear, but she wasn't mean. She felt much more like she did in s9 this week, it made me happy.

Yay!

And OH MY GOD Dean's kitty-cat stalking the mouse fight with Cole was BEAUTIFUL I LOVED IT. And then it got truly vicious and was less awesome, but, hey, Sam managed to grab him!

Agreed!




kailita
Oct. 17th, 2014 10:22 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the recap! I'm new to the party...though I've been lurking for a while, enjoying the rewatch-commentary and your Winchester jacket archive. :) Pretty marvelous stuff.

I appreciate the fresh direction that Demon Dean is taking the show, and all of Jensen's acting choices have been stellar (very clearly Not Dean...but still retaining some of his mannerisms...and leaving room for ambiguity in regards to "how far gone" he is). That being said, it is still physically painful for me to see him flash those black eyes. Also, he was wearing my favorite red shirt in that confrontation with Sam! Heart crack. (Or...I think it was that one. As you've said elsewhere, he's got a few red shirts that are hard to tell apart.) Demon Dean, go get your own wardrobe, and leave my favorite shirts out of this.

Though I do have to say, I loved his evil laugh after shoving Crowley. Chilling.

Even though I have to roll my eyes at Sam not knowing that he's being followed (come on, writers - this is the man who outsmarted Gordon, who was like Special Ops x100), I LOVE getting to see him be stalwart and determined to get his brother back. I feel like we haven't seen that side of Sam since Season 3. It's interesting the dynamic that the sling brings into his confrontations - with Cole, with Dean - he seems so much more vulnerable, I'm constantly worried for him. Obviously the writers didn't plan for that, since that sling seems to be an unexpected addition. ;) But I think it actually really works to highlight 1) how nearly over-his-head Sam is in all this, 2) how courageous he is in refusing to back down. I love it.

Any ideas on where they might be going with this Hannah character? It seems like they're trying to set her up as a romantic interest for Castiel...but I guess I was under the assumption that angels are asexual? Castiel may not be...but that seems to be something that he learned from his encounters with humanity, not something inborn in him as an angel. I guess I could be down with Hannah "learning" feelings in the same way that Cas did...but if that's the case, I wish she would be a little more baffled by the experience rather than just accepting it as unusual but normal (that seems more like a human response than an angel one). Then again, maybe they're planning to take her an entirely different direction. I'm not entirely convinced that she won't go back to free Metatron for what she feels is the greater good.

All in all, I thought this was a great payoff for the unspoken "to be continued" of the premiere - it DID seem like a two-parter, and this was a very satisfying Part 2.

Edited at 2014-10-17 10:23 pm (UTC)
hells_half_acre
Oct. 18th, 2014 03:44 am (UTC)
Thanks for the recap! I'm new to the party...though I've been lurking for a while, enjoying the rewatch-commentary and your Winchester jacket archive. :) Pretty marvelous stuff.

Thanks! Welcome! (Or welcome to de-lurking anyway!)

I love that red shirt too. I gotta say, I actually kind of really love the black eyes - I know they should be breaking my heart, but... goddamn, I kind of just find it hot.

His words and actions though - yes, those break my heart. And Jensen is indeed doing a great job.

Even though I have to roll my eyes at Sam not knowing that he's being followed

Oh man, me and my friends told SO MANY jokes about that during the show, and yet for some reason I completely forgot to write them into my recap.

I feel like we haven't seen that side of Sam since Season 3.

Agreed, and it's refreshing to see again - since that's the Sam that I first fell in love with.

It's interesting the dynamic that the sling brings into his confrontations - with Cole, with Dean - he seems so much more vulnerable, I'm constantly worried for him. Obviously the writers didn't plan for that, since that sling seems to be an unexpected addition. ;) But I think it actually really works to highlight 1) how nearly over-his-head Sam is in all this, 2) how courageous he is in refusing to back down. I love it.

I completely agree! It's actually been a little bit of a blessing, it adds so much... even towards 3) showing how much Dean has changed, since we all know Dean would ordinarily be fussing over an injured Sam.

Any ideas on where they might be going with this Hannah character?

I'm not sure, but I'm interested to find out. I agree with everything you say about her - including the fact that angels, up until this point, have LARGELY been asexual (Balthazar and Gabriel, being the slightly more hedonist exceptions.)

I don't necessarily think she's going to be a romantic interest - although she seems to admire Castiel, and that COULD possibly turn romantic - I don't get the idea that Castiel is particularly "romantic" towards her. But yeah, at the moment, I think Hannah admires Castiel, and Castiel is thankful that Hannah seems to be a good angel, rather than another Naomi or Bartholomew... but that's about it.

But yeah, I'm really not sure what the writers plan to do with her - besides perhaps FINALLY have a SOMEWHAT trustworthy angel that isn't Castiel? Or maybe she's just going to let us down like all the other angels?

But yeah, I think them jailing Metatron instead of killing him might come back to kick them in the nuts - especially if Hannah feels desperate enough to take him up on a deal.




kailita
Oct. 18th, 2014 05:17 am (UTC)
showing how much Dean has changed, since we all know Dean would ordinarily be fussing over an injured Sam.

Yes! I loved that the first thing he says to his brother, after the cool "Hiya Sam," is to ask, "Who winged ya?" SO many ways to read that! Is it like muscle memory - where he's so used to asking after Sam that he can't help himself, even though he doesn't care anymore (as he reminds them both directly after)? Is he legitimately curious? Is he just messing with Sam to be cruel, knowing that the fact that he truly doesn't care is going to hurt his brother?

I've been very interested in Dean's responses to Sam (or mentions of Sam) so far. When Crowley tells Dean in the bar that Sam is on his way, Dean has a very distinct NON-reaction - a non-reaction so pronounced (in my opinion) that it becomes suspicious. Does he really not care, or is he trying to convince himself that he doesn't care? Right now I feel like you could argue either way - though his words to Sam in the Impala (and the terrifying preview for next week!!) seem to suggest the former.

I see Balthazar and Gabriel as outliers in the spectrum of angel sexuality, since both of them are not exactly aligned with the angel "mission," they're more rogue. I don't think the mechanic's comment to Hannah about them being "together" was for nothing...but you're right, it could still go several ways! My guess would be "letting us down like all the other angels." :/ And probably dying, like all the other women. (Except for Jody and Charlie! I hope they'll make it through Season 10! I love them both.)
hells_half_acre
Oct. 18th, 2014 05:51 am (UTC)
Yes, yes, I agree with everything you say here.

I'm definitely interested to see where the season progresses!
marlowe78
Oct. 22nd, 2014 07:48 pm (UTC)
Hey there

So, what do you think Cole's dad was? We don't know of anything that dies just from having its throat slit. Pre-series monsters are actually VERY few in number, unless the writers have messed up canon again.
I wondered myself. I sure hope it's not messed-up canon! But maybe Cole's dad was a witch or warlock? As far as I know, Dean and John hadn't really been very choosy with their killings. "If it's supernatural, we kill it", if I remember correctly. Also, Sam was afraid John would kill him or hunt him (and that Dean would hunt him!) when it was revealed that he had visions. And Gordon killed that kid in "Hunted", even though kiddo wasn't being evil or anything.
So I'm hoping they will go that route rather then messing up with the "real" monsters...


Dean is viewing this as his ticket out. That demonhood is his retirement. He doesn't want to "work" to build a better hell with Crowley, or to be cured, or to do anything - because Dean's spent his whole life overburdened with responsibility and becoming a demon is actually the perfect excuse NOT to be responsible anymore, NOT to work. I think that's why Dean refuses to leave "vacation" mode... especially "vacation from consequence" mode.

Even if I HADN'T watched the third episode, I would have agreed. Life without fearing the consequences, life without any kind of burden... Sounds like some kind of paradise to me. And to Dean apparently too.

The universe is VAST. I do not subscribe to the theory that we're the only life in it - nor do I think we're the BEST life in it - there has got to be some people out there that have their shit together better than us

Maybe that's the point? The others are just too boring? Did you watch Star Trek Next Generation, with Picard and such? The character "Q" was strangely interested in humans, and he and his brethren certainly had a LOT of other beings to bother. So maybe same deal with angels? Maybe humanity is the only thing not boring your grace right out of your skull?


Anyway, i liked that episode. I also kinda liked Cole - and I'd have never thought he was older than Dean (well, Jensen. Still) but I thought he looked a lot like Alec McLachlan (is that his name? The guy from Hawaii five o) so I totally wasn't surprised he was a SEAL :D
Is that kid even HIS kid? I mean.... was it actually said it's his own son? Maybe the woman already had a child, or she's not his wife? I didn't get teh whole "family vibe" from them, to be honest.

hells_half_acre
Oct. 22nd, 2014 08:18 pm (UTC)
So I'm hoping they will go that route rather then messing up with the "real" monsters...

True, and they COULD go the route where it was actually John that killed Cole's father and Dean was just the one he saw with a bloody knife - you never know.

Maybe that's the point? The others are just too boring? Did you watch Star Trek Next Generation, with Picard and such? The character "Q" was strangely interested in humans, and he and his brethren certainly had a LOT of other beings to bother. So maybe same deal with angels? Maybe humanity is the only thing not boring your grace right out of your skull?

Ha! True. Good point.

Is that kid even HIS kid? I mean.... was it actually said it's his own son? Maybe the woman already had a child, or she's not his wife? I didn't get teh whole "family vibe" from them, to be honest.

I think that they ARE his family, but you're right, he could have married/shacked-up-with an older woman who already had a kid. It's not exactly uncommon.
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