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Quick Reaction: 9x17 Mother's Little Helper

Yay! Misha directed episode! Sadly, I know nothing about directing or noticing cool things...

Standard disclaimer: Only seen episode once while drinking. All quotes are approximated. Things will be out of order. Nothing needs to be corrected unless I ask for information or I get a major plot point wrong.

TO THE EPISODE...

So, my friend's PVR messed up and we missed the first five minutes and then had to watch them on another channel later. It was actually kind of cool to see the whole episode without the help of the "THEN" segment, it left more to mystery.

I DID eventually see the first five minutes though - so I CAN talk about them. We get our teaser death, which is cold and awesome. Then we get Sam and Dean actually splitting up for the case, because Dean is fixated on Abaddon and Sam wants to go check out a case... kind of a reversal to how they used to be, with Sam fixating on the end goal and Dean wanting to make sure they don't let innocent people die in the meantime.

I actually like it when the Winchesters split up. I think it's cool, because at this point really, they should be seasoned enough hunters to hunt on their own. And it's cool to actually see that - the fact that Sam CAN take on what appears to be a demon case on his lonesome... do you remember back in S1 when demons used to terrify Sam and Dean? Yeah... those days are over.

Sam takes off on his own, though he's slightly worried about how fixated Dean is... and Dean brings out the whiskey. Later, Crowley will call Dean an addict - I take it that he's an addict for the power that the First Blade gives him.... and it seems that in true addict fashion, Dean is substituting one vice for another. I know a smoker who quit smoking only to become a functioning alcoholic. Thankfully, booze makes him nicer, not meaner, so no one really minds.

Anyway...

Sam goes off to investigate, but it doesn't seem to be a demonic possession... or at least, nothing points to it. And the woman is dead, so Sam can't test her for possession.

Meanwhile, Dean calls Crowley but then changes his mind... and then goes drinking at a bar, because apparently a bottle of whiskey isn't enough. I wonder if Cas comes around ever 6 months or so and heals Dean's liver. He must. He's a good boyfriend.

Then a hitchhiking kid gets picked up by a van and ATTACKED! And it's all very glowey..., and then the kid makes the mistake of picking a fight in the same diner that Sam is eating in. I liked Sam's reactions here, because at first, I think Sam was just reacting how he'd react if some punk came into a diner and started making trouble - as soon as the kid goes so far as to stab the waitress through the hand, Sam's like FUCK THAT! And takes the kid out... and then immediately attends to the waitress (though the scene cuts)... and it's all kind of BAMF awesome.

I have to say, as soon as the kid said that he was "more clear", I said, "are they stealing their souls?" and sure enough, Sam tests the kid for possession and then goes out to call Dean and floats the same hypothesis. What if it's soullessness... just like Sam was, only more violent. And man, I think that says something about Sam, that even when he was SOULLESS he was remarkably non-violent for a soulless person.

Sam wants Dean to come help him, but Dean insists that he's busy researching and can't come... which, yeah, Dean's definitely avoiding hunting.

This, of course, is when Crowley pops up... and I do love his line about how if Sam and Dean are acting like a married couple, then does that make Crowley the mistress? Heh. Oh Crowley.

Crowley calls Dean out on what he's doing though - saying that Dean is scared of the power he felt with the First Blade, and scared of how much he liked it.

Anyway, back to Sam... Sam who is at the police station when an older woman comes in and starts trying to tell the police that "those demons are back again"... Sam immediately takes over and interviews her. Sure enough, this has all happened before... and not only that, the woman recognizes Sam as a Men of Letters and informs him that it was Henry and Josie who took the previous case. The woman, Julia Wilkinson (who is totally named after my friend Jules of the SuperWiki, so that's awesome!) looks like Shirley MacLaine to me... doesn't she? Am I crazy? She was awesome in any case. (ETA: and I mean "looks like" as in "reminds me of" I don't actually think she's Shirley MacLaine.)

But, we find out from her what happened all those years ago... and I'm just going to talk about it all in one chunk. But yeah, one of the sisters at the convent murdered two people and investigators arrived... and those investigators turned out to be Henry and Josie (of later Abaddon meatsuit fame). And yeah, Julia became a potential victim, but Henry and Josie rescued her...except that Henry couldn't exorcise one of the demons, and was knocked out. That demon, of course, turned out to be Abaddon the knight of hell... and she was going to possess Henry, but Josie volunteered instead, in order to save Henry... at least for a little while. Because she was in love with him... awww... I think she could do better, but love is blind. lol. (Sorry, Henry's adorable... but he's a little naive for my tastes.) Also, because Henry was just talking about how he didn't want to die and leave his wife (Millie, apparently!) a widower and his son, John, without a father... oh honey, that happened anyway. But don't worry, Millie marries a nice mechanic dude in Lawrence and it all, uh, works out?

It was pretty cool to get the backstory on Josie. They kind of hinted that something happened to her family too - or at least, that she didn't have one. I don't know if Henry felt bad about pointing that out because she knew she was in love with him, or if it's because something horribly tragic happened to her family that brought her to the Men of Letters. This backstory about her kind of makes me wonder if she's still in there to be saved... I mean, I know the Winchesters don't care much about the meatsuits anymore, but... I wonder... would Josie even live if they COULD exorcise Abaddon?

Let's go back to Dean... Crowley goes to use the washroom and Dean sees a hunter go to follow him. Dean stops the hunter by pointing out that he's biting off more than he can chew and that Crowley's going to kill him if he attacks him with a knife and an exorcism - or whatever he seemed to be planning. The guy backs down when Dean points out that Crowley will go after his whole family, not just him.

Okay, back to Sam, who is driving to the convent to check it out... he finds the van there and goes into the basement to find the souls. He was right! And they're super pretty!! Then the demons show up. Sam takes one of them out, but the one in nun gets the drop on him and kicks him in the kidneys. Ouch. She also disarms him... so that she can monologue about Abaddons plans.

Abaddon is apparently harvesting living souls, and has been since the 1950s at least, in order to create a demon army solely loyal to her. Yikes! Sam is suitably horrified and starts the exorcism.... only to be choked! Must be Tuesday. But that's okay! He's got the exorcism recorded on his phone!! Hahaha... how many seasons have we been waiting for that? Brilliant and awesome. The demon DOES get to the phone before the exorcism finishes, but in it's haste, it dropped the knife, which means that it gets STABBED. Good job, Sammy.

Then he sets the souls free and it's PRETTY... poor people though. I mean, I guess they CAN claim psychotic break, because no one is going to believe them that a ball of blue energy came into the jail and they immediately regretted everything they did.

Back to Dean! Dean leaves the bar and tells Crowley that their deal to take down Abaddon still stands... and then we find out that the novice hunter dude was a demon plant by Crowley to test whether Dean would try to save Crowley or not. I'd like to argue that Dean wasn't saving Crowley, he was saving the hunter, who was obviously ill prepared to take on the knight of Hell... but, there's also the fact that Crowley has the blade, and Dean needs the blade to kill Abaddon, so as long as Crowley has the blade and Abaddon is alive, Dean needs Crowley. I also wonder if perhaps this was some sort of show for the demon - to get the word around that Crowley has the Winchesters as pets again, to make him seem more desirable as King. I'm not sure... don't really know what Crowley's game is, besides the fact that I'm 100% that he has a game.

Back to Sam and the former nun... Sam's wrapped up the case and is thanking the nun... and asks why she didn't try to warn Henry... and she tells him that she was too afraid. Which, yeah, I can hardly blame her. I highly doubt that I'd do much better in the same situation. Actually, I'd be even worse, because I'd have never left my room, and then there'd be no eye-witness at all 55 years later.

When Sam was driving away and they focused back in on the woman, I was worried for a half second that they'd flash back and I'd be super confused... but nope, she was just remembering that Henry also drove a black Impala. I couldn't tell what year it was, but of course it was obviously a 1950s model. That's pretty neat. ETA: That's TOO neat! Haha, turns out I was wrong and it's not an Impala, but another car called an Imperial or something. Still, it's black and gorgeous, so that's neat!

Then Sam heads back to the bunker, and starts researching with Dean, telling him about the soul farming and demon army and how they have to act sooner rather than later... and it's nice to see the brothers working in the same room again, even if it's still at separate tables.

So, director things! Like I said, I'm not really knowledgeable enough to comment on directing, but there were a couple of things I liked - the longer shots of Dean and Crowley in the bar where there weren't as many cuts between dialogue. The shots of Dean in the bunker on the phone with Sam, always with objects in the foreground obstructing him somehow and making things a little claustrophobic and uncomfortable and never giving us a wide shot so that we could see the full picture. Also, whenever Crowley spoke to Dean at the bar, he was always leaning way into his space - again, uncomfortably. Don't know if that's a director thing or an actor thing, but I liked it. It made Dean's whole storyline really really uncomfortable and suspicious. Anyway, those were the only things that I really noticed.

All in all, a good episode!

Next week looks pretty damn epic. I must say.

As usual, let me know what you want to talk about in comments!! :)

Comments

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missyjack
Mar. 26th, 2014 07:40 am (UTC)
basically this episode was all about Julia Wilkinson as far as I'm concerned. Yeah thats not ever going to be awesome!

Did you notice, Dean was in a bar called AThe Milton, and Sam was IN Milton. Did Dean follow him after all???

Loved the Crowley dean scenes, particularly coz we find out a lot about where dean is at, without him really sayng everything.

I'm impressed with how they are keeping the emotional disconnect between the boys going so naturally too. I mean they are pragmatic abotu things, but every conversation is full of undercurrents.

Also - guess what i'll be cosplaying at Vancon!

hells_half_acre
Mar. 26th, 2014 07:54 am (UTC)
Julia Wilkinson was obviously the star of the piece, I agree! And yes, I see cosplay in your future! ;)

I noticed that about the bar too!! I don't know if Dean followed Sam or not, but it DOES seem oddly coincidental if he didn't. Maybe he wanted to be close if Sam needed him?!

I too am impressed with the emotional disconnect and how they pull off this sort of weird inbetween state they're in...where there's so much going on below the surface.
frozen_delight
Mar. 26th, 2014 07:42 am (UTC)
I wonder if Cas comes around ever 6 months or so and heals Dean's liver. He must. He's a good boyfriend.
Laughing so hard right. Of course, that's the only possible explanation. :)

I also wonder if perhaps this was some sort of show for the demon - to get the word around that Crowley has the Winchesters as pets again, to make him seem more desirable as King. I'm not sure... don't really know what Crowley's game is, besides the fact that I'm 100% that he has a game.
That's a good theory. There've been so many rumours amongst the demons of how Crowley's become weak and is only being used by the Winchesters - it would certainly make sense for him to prove that things are actually the other way round. I wonder, though, if Crowley is actually able to control Dean's will somewhat, beyond the fact that he has the blade. Because Dean seemed really reluctant to kill him even before that. (Maybe Dean should have read the small print before he signed up for the Mark...)

While I was very glad that we received an additional reason why Abaddon has to be stopped, which ties in very nicely with the general themes predominating this season, I really wish it had happened a bit sooner. There's just so much that's bound to happen in the last episodes. It might all be a bit too much to take in. Not even to mention that the long wait for the next episode is nothing short of cruel.
hells_half_acre
Mar. 26th, 2014 07:59 am (UTC)
Glad I made you laugh. ;)

I too am wondering if Crowley has some sort of hold over Dean... because you're right, Dean did seem oddly reluctant to give Sam a straight answer (or to kill Crowley immediately) last episode when Sam was so insistent that they off Crowley first.

I'm not sure what's up! Is there some caveat that Cain (or the Mark of Cain) can't kill the King of Hell?! Really mad at Dean for not sticking around to read the fine print on that Blade.

Supernatural ALWAYS crams way too much into the last few episodes. At this point, I just expect it. :P

I'm not surprised that there's a long wait until the next episode though. Production is not that far ahead of us. They're still filming 9x20, and we just watched 9x17, and it takes them more than 7 days to finish an episode. No matter how they played it, we'd be waiting at some point.
suebsg9
Mar. 26th, 2014 02:48 pm (UTC)
Its is kinda hard to kill Crowley when he is holding onto the weapon that kill abaddon. So either Dean is just playing along because it will get him the blade. I mean taht is their agreement he finds abaddon and crowley brings the blade to kill her. Just wonder if dean will kill crowley to? Crowley is safe right now because he holds the one thing dean needs to kill her. Its a game of who is playing who? Dean is not an idiot crowley doesn't under estimate the winchesters as long as he thinks he has one in his back pocket he feels good. But I don't know Dean figured out he was being played when he got the mark so I am guessing he is not letting his guard down around crowley just letting crowley think he is.
hells_half_acre
Mar. 26th, 2014 10:10 pm (UTC)
Yeah, this is why I'm super interested in where this is heading - because I can't tell who is playing who. Is Crowley playing the Winchesters or the other demons? Is Dean playing Crowley or being played BY Crowley? Dean seems plenty distracted to me, but he's still DEAN, and I don't see him falling for Crowley's "I'm human" ruse like Sam fell for Ruby's "I'm a good demon" ruse. But then, these are the Winchesters and they NEVER come out on top... so, yeah... who knows.
borgmama1of5
Mar. 26th, 2014 09:10 am (UTC)
Theory: Crowley is setting Dean up to be his First Knight.

The bit where Dean was setting up the pool table while talking to Crowley was perfection--you could just tell how this was something Dean has done so many times even though it was new to the viewer. Would love to know if that was Jensen's or Misha's idea...

Thought re the promo: Kripke's avatar was Chuck. What does it say about Jeremy Carver that his avatar appears to be the megomaniacal Metratron?
missyjack
Mar. 26th, 2014 09:22 am (UTC)
the next episode was written by Robbie Thompson - and is called Meta Fiction, so if Metatron is anyones avatar its Robbie! And of course it was Ben Edlund who first wrote Metraon as heavens storyteller.
hells_half_acre
Mar. 26th, 2014 09:37 pm (UTC)
Thought re the promo: Kripke's avatar was Chuck. What does it say about Jeremy Carver that his avatar appears to be the megomaniacal Metratron?

I agree with missyjack here. Metatron's first appearance, he really stood out as an Edlund avatar to me... at least with his dialogue.

I have a feeling that Metatron is probably a conglomerate-avatar. I don't necessarily think he's meant to represent any one person the way that Chuck was meant to represent Kripke's view of himself. But, I should point out that Chuck referred to himself as a "cruel and capricious god" and he wasn't wrong, depending on your interpretation of his departure. So, really, Metatron isn't THAT different. He's just more embracing of his nature.

Theory: Crowley is setting Dean up to be his First Knight.

I had a similar though. I wonder if the Blade bleeds loyalty to whoever supplies it... like, Lucifer gave the blade to Cain, and Cain kind of became Lucifer's first night... but then Cain made the other knights, so maybe that doesn't work? I don't know. It'll be interesting to see where it goes.

The bit where Dean was setting up the pool table while talking to Crowley was perfection--you could just tell how this was something Dean has done so many times even though it was new to the viewer. Would love to know if that was Jensen's or Misha's idea...

Agreed! That was really cool. Maybe someone will ask at one of the cons (probably not, but a girl can dream.)
etoile444
Mar. 26th, 2014 11:14 am (UTC)
There was never a reason to stop Abbadon. Now there is. I think there will be a consequence to killing Abbadon, just as there was to killing Lillith. The Crowley is Ruby parallel is completely obvious. It would be fun if it were misdirection, but I cant see the writers being that clever.
hells_half_acre
Mar. 26th, 2014 10:08 pm (UTC)
I don't know, the writers MIGHT be that clever... but you could be write. The parallels to S4 are very strong.

But I think there was always a reason to stop Abaddon, and that's just that she's causing general mayhem... you don't necessarily NEED the extra push of the souls, there was reason enough with her just existing and wanting hell to be more hell-on-earth than Crowley had it being.
etoile444
Mar. 27th, 2014 01:11 am (UTC)
Its like how Lucifer was supposed to be bad, but u never saw it. So Abbadon causes trouble, but theres no evidence of it.
hells_half_acre
Mar. 27th, 2014 01:55 am (UTC)
I think there's plenty evidence of it. She's calling in deals before their due, and killing people, and she massacred the Men of Letters...

And Lucifer's badness was all in what he would do, rather than what he HAD done, because much like Abaddon, he'd been absent for years, so you couldn't really have a body of past crimes.
etoile444
Mar. 27th, 2014 09:32 am (UTC)
I wasn't clear. I meant there wasn't on screen evil. Telling me that someone is out doing evil isnt the same as seeing it. It limits my emotional connection. Thats all I met. Crowley has probably been shown doing more evil things.
hells_half_acre
Mar. 27th, 2014 10:01 am (UTC)
Ah, I see.

I don't have the same problem.
percysowner
Mar. 26th, 2014 11:27 pm (UTC)
I think the consequences will either be for killing Abaddon, or simply using the blade in something other than self-defense.
thursdaysisters
Mar. 26th, 2014 07:42 pm (UTC)
I loved all the actresses in this episode, they really delivered when it came to Creepy Nuns (when those two said "a woman amongst the Men of Letters" and gave nasty little laugh in unison?)
hells_half_acre
Mar. 26th, 2014 10:11 pm (UTC)
Agreed!
shadowsong26
Mar. 26th, 2014 08:24 pm (UTC)
Oh man this episode.

I wonder if Cas comes around ever 6 months or so and heals Dean's liver. He must. He's a good boyfriend.

My roommate thinks that one of the many times Cas healed Dean, he just sort of...boosted his metabolism, sort of? So he wouldn't have to come back every few months and fix all the liver damage. Or the fallout from Dean's diet. Because otherwise the guy would have reeeeeally high cholesterol or something :P

So, the thing with the van...it was weird, 'cause we were watching and there was the white light and that high-pitched ringing noise, and I was thinking 'wtf angels? Why are there angels? Is this going to be like Captives where we check in on both main plots? I mean the boys did split up but I sort of thought this was an exclusively demony episode?' And I was very confused. And then there were pretty jars in the basement of a creepy abandoned convent and it all made sense.

Henry remains adorable, and naive. I want more backstory for Josie. Because she's strongly implied to be the first and only woman ever initiated (...or on the path to initiation) into the Men of Letters, and who knows what other awesome is hiding in her and basically I want more Josie. Flashbacks or with Abaddon exorcised, I don't care. I just want more Josie.

(I can never remember how to spell Abbadon Abaddon. I can never remember if it's two bs or two ds, I have to look it up every time)

And the ex-nun Julia was fabulous and awesome and just yes. Just. This episode made me so happy.

...so, what I kind of wonder, given the whole 'demon-army-only-loyal-to-Abaddon' thing...where was she on the whole Apocalypse thing? I mean, this was...what, fifteen years before Azazel found the Maryland convent and actually talked to Lucifer? He has to have been actively looking for it by now. Was she his ally, or was she off doing her own thing and wanted nothing to do with the endgame? Was she trying to derail what she saw Azazel and Lilith starting to gear up for so she could keep doing her thing for another few centuries, or building an army to back their play? If she was building the army to back their play, why make sure it was only loyal to her? What was her endgame? Or was she just...totally out of the loop and had no idea that was even on the (relatively, given her presumed lifespan) near horizon, only fifty years away because Hell Knights aren't good for long-range delicate plans? Add that to the list of things this episode made me want. Mid-century demon politics. XD

(And then, completely off-topic, my brain gave me an End!verse mental image where Henry pops in on Lucifer-in-Sam when he time travels. Or, probably more likely, in the middle of Future!Dean's camp. And I can't decide which is funnier. Granted, probably either option would very quickly lead to a very dead Henry, so it becomes substantially less funny the longer I think about it but still.)

Yeah, I'm with you on the whole 'I know Crowley's up to something, I just don't know what' part. I think Crowley's always angled for long-term survival and gradual expansion rather than the kind of conquest Abaddon seems to be after, so...who knows.
hells_half_acre
Mar. 26th, 2014 10:22 pm (UTC)
My roommate thinks that one of the many times Cas healed Dean, he just sort of...boosted his metabolism, sort of?

He must have. He also must have made Sam's head extra fortified, because at this point the kid should have brain damage from being knocked out so often.

I want more backstory for Josie. Because she's strongly implied to be the first and only woman ever initiated (...or on the path to initiation) into the Men of Letters, and who knows what other awesome is hiding in her and basically I want more Josie.

Me too!!

(I can never remember how to spell Abbadon Abaddon. I can never remember if it's two bs or two ds, I have to look it up every time)

The way I remember is "It's not Abba, it's Abaddon." She may be queen, but she's not the dancing queen.

Was she trying to derail what she saw Azazel and Lilith starting to gear up for so she could keep doing her thing for another few centuries, or building an army to back their play? If she was building the army to back their play, why make sure it was only loyal to her? What was her endgame?

I am very curious about all this too. Last season, I thought that the slaughter of the MoL had to do with the apocalypse, because so much of the apocalypse rested on keeping Sam and Dean in the dark (ie: Lilith being the final seal, Dean and Sam being vessels, etc.) And these are things that the MoL may have KNOWN. Also, the MoL may have known that the Campbell line was the Lucifer line and the Winchester line the Michael line - and they may have tried to prevent any marriages between the two.

But now I'm not so sure, because it really does just seem like an opportunity that Abaddon took on a whim, rather than a plan. I'm not sure that she was affiliated with Azazel at all, since, yeah, Azazel didn't seem to know about the vessel thing - since Lucifer had to tell him in the 1970s that he needed to find a special child...and Azazel couldn't even narrow down WHICH child, which was why he was going after so many possibilities....

But the ANGELS knew the whole time about the Campbell and Winchester line, so when did they get on board? I highly doubt they worked with Abaddon though - so yeah, it really seems more and more that Abaddon was just a free agent running her own game - perhaps for for the same reason she's doing so now. Perhaps she wanted to eventually usurp whoever was king of Hell back then.

Anyway, this is all to say that I agree with you - I'd love to know how Abaddon fit into the apocalypse political situation.

And then, completely off-topic, my brain gave me an End!verse mental image where Henry pops in on Lucifer-in-Sam when he time travels. Or, probably more likely, in the middle of Future!Dean's camp.

Oh man, that would be horrible on so many levels. That being said, Dean wouldn't have stopped Henry from going back to his own time if that had happened - though, whether Henry would have been able to find the ingredients for the return spell is another matter... yeah, horrible on so many levels.

I think Crowley's always angled for long-term survival and gradual expansion rather than the kind of conquest Abaddon seems to be after, so...who knows.

Very true. Crowley usually always plays the long game.
raloria
Mar. 27th, 2014 05:12 am (UTC)
Poor Jenny O'Hara...forever to be mistaken for Shirley Maclaine by the SPN fandom. *sigh*
I recognized her right away because she was in one of my favorite horse movies/mini-series of all-time "Black Beauty" back in the 80s. She played William Devane's wife and had a lovely Irish accent.

I mean, I know the Winchesters don't care much about the meatsuits anymore, but... I wonder... would Josie even live if they COULD exorcise Abaddon?

If ordinary demons can use up a meatsuit can you imagine what a Knight of Hell can do? Besides, Abaddon's already been brought back from he dead once. I figure Josie is long gone, just an empty shell.

Pretty sure the SuperWiki pointed out the car Henry drives wasn't an Impala, but an Imperial something-or-other. Close, but no cigar! I can tell...again, that fandom is going to say it was an Impala even though it wasn't and it's going to be the whole piano in "Mystery Spot" all over again. Grrrrr!!!!!!

Sorry, but I'm a stickler for details and getting things right and it irks the hell out of me that after 6 years people are STILL saying it was a piano that fell on Dean in MS. It was a desk, it was always a desk, it will forever BE a DESK! If anyone would even look at the thing in the episode you can see it's a DESK! *sigh* Sorry, can you tell this bothers me? :P
hells_half_acre
Mar. 27th, 2014 06:11 am (UTC)
Haha!

For the record, I didn't think it was Shirley MacLaine, I just thought that she LOOKED like Shirley MacLaine. :P

I'm actually kind of glad that I read it wrong and it wasn't an Impala - after I thought about it for a bit, I decided that was too...neat. Like...too much of a coincidence, you know? Plus, I had a suspicion that I had read the name wrong, because I looked at 1950s Impalas and they looked nothing like Henry's car. So, yup! Fine with getting that wrong, personally.

My first response to you saying "the piano in Mystery Spot" was to say - "There was a piano in Mystery Spot?!" And then I thought, "Oh, was it a piano that fell on Dean? Was the piano an Impala? I'm confused..." THEN I actually read your next paragraph and it all made sense.

Yup, definitely a desk that fell on Dean and DEFINITELY not an Impala. :P

I'm the same way with details - so yeah, absolutely no judging coming from me about how much it bothers you!
metallidean_grl
Mar. 28th, 2014 05:38 am (UTC)
In reference to Dean substituting the power from the blade for alcohol - I'm not sure about that one. Dean has always been a heavy drinker when he is weighed down by things - in S4 it was Hell. S7 Sam and the Leviathans, and then Bobby. Booze has always been the one thing Dean turns to when he is hurting deeply inside, so I am not quite sure he is substituting the power he felt with the blade for the alcohol. Although I do think that that lack of power and want/need to feel it again is being dulled by the large quantities of alcohol he is consuming.

I thought the same thing when the kid said he was "more clear." I also pictured soulless Sam, and I think Sam might have even said that to Dean at one point when he was without his soul. It is an interesting point, though, the difference of soulless Sam and these people in this episode. Although, we did see a couple of scenes in S6 that Sam was pretty ruthless, just letting and allowing the innocents to get killed. Maybe the difference would be the way Sam grew up and his mission/destiny that helped to keep him focused. But, I also think that because Abaddon was the one to take the souls, I would bet that she also did something to the vessel to make them more violent. I have seen a couple of comments hanging out there that questioned the validity of these people once they lost their souls that they became demons, as Canon suggests it takes years or centuries to become demons. So, I'm thinking that Abaddon being a Knight of Hell and all, has some special powers to twist the vessels a little further and make them demons. Because remember she did say that these people, without their souls, become loyal to her completely. There has to be some trickery involved.

I thought Henry was sweet. Yes, a little naive, but those were also kind of the times. Henry was just one of those aw-shucks ma'am kind of guy that you just can't help but love.

I highly doubt that Josie is still in her body. Remember, they cut off her head. Don't think even she could survive that one.

Oh, Crowley has a game and plan in mind for Dean, and I am really worried about what that plan might entail. I am of the thinking that Crowley wants to use Dean as his own personal slaying army and turn him into a demon (Knight of Hell), just like Cain. As far as the faux hunter, I do think that Dean's initial reaction to save the guy, was to purely save the guy, and his family. Dean knows only too well what Crowley will do to anyone who stands in his way. But, yes, Dean also saved the guy to save Crowley. I just hope that Dean is a little bit aware that Crowley is using him and has an inkling that Crowley might have bigger plans for him. Dean knew about Crowley's subterfuge when they met Cain. I can only hope that Dean is as smart this go around as well.

It was nice to see the brothers researching together again in the main room of the bunker and not separately, or in their own rooms, or one or the other sulking in the kitchen. It seemed that Sam might be getting a little worried about Dean, what with Dean's big focus on Abaddon and his drinking and one word answers. Sam is the only one who can bring Dean back, and I really hope that Sam is finally getting an inkling about what dire straits emotionally and mentally that Dean is in.

Interesting thoughts about the filming of Dean and Crowleys scene and the claustrophobic look of it all. I'll have to look for that the next time I watch the episode.

I enjoyed this episode as well. It was nice to see the brothers talking a little bit more to each other, and Sam even seemed to be more "brotherly" in his manner with Dean, so I do feel a thaw in Sam in regards to his feelings for his brother and their situation. I can only hope they get back on track moreso as we near the end of the season.
hells_half_acre
Mar. 31st, 2014 07:02 pm (UTC)
Interesting points! You could very well be right about them!

And yes, consensus seems to be that Josie is long dead - hopefully, for her sake, that's the case.

I hope Dean keeps Crowley on the "not-to-be trusted" list for sure - it'd be kind of cool if the boys thwarted a backstabbing-plan for once.

I'm sure the brothers will get back on track towards the end of the season - one would hope, anyway. I'm not sure if anything will be resolved this season, as they're 99% likely to leave us on another cliffhanger, but I'm sure that whatever happens, Sam will put his love for Dean over his anger towards him and act accordingly.

metallidean_grl
Apr. 1st, 2014 02:35 pm (UTC)
Oh, I'm sure we are going to be left with a big cliffhanger, in a big Supernatural way, which, leaves me worried.

Like you, I do hope that Dean (and Sam) keep Crowley on the not to be trusted list and YES! it would be cool if Crowley's plans are thwarted once again, just like the brothers did in last years' Season Finale, I hope we get kinda the same thing this year with the brothers coming up with a counter plan towards him. That would be awesome.
supernutjapan
Mar. 29th, 2014 01:39 pm (UTC)
Hey! Sorry for the very late post. I am really getting bogged down. Trying to do way too much. Can't even reply to my favorite reviews cause I'm too tired when I get to them. Just to let you know, I did read it, maybe 2 times, each time thinking I'd write a comment and not having enough brain power left. Let me see if I can get something down here.

I really enjoyed this episode. Finally I was able to feel for Sam and Dean both and it was a relief to be able to. I was really glad they focused on how the blade had affected Dean, because I really wanted to know after last week. I was also kept on my toes with Sam's solo mission. Wondering if he was going to get out of it in one piece, whether Dean was going to end up going to save him etc.

The "MoTW" was great also. bringing in the aspect of harvesting souls again(angels were harvesting souls in Season 6 aye?), and Sam recognizing how they sounded similar to what he had felt etc.

Sam takes off on his own, though he's slightly worried about how fixated Dean is
It was very interesting to find Sam not seeing what was really going on here - that Dean was not fixated... he was stalling. And that Crowley did figure it out right away. You'd think Sam would be able to recognize what Dean might be going through with all his experience.

Sorry, Henry's adorable... but he's a little naive for my tastes.
I know aye?! He must have learned a whole bunch before meeting Sam and Dean though. He was pretty knowledgeable then. It seems though he should have been a little suspicious when he was woken up by Josie. He didn't even ask her how she did it!

and it's nice to see the brothers working in the same room again, even if it's still at separate tables.

They actually worked across from each other at the same table last episode when they were looking for Magnus. I made an icon out of it (out of relief I think...)

Thanks for your post! I enjoyed it each of the 3 times I read it ;)
hells_half_acre
Mar. 31st, 2014 07:08 pm (UTC)
I think that Sam's so used to seeing Dean as the gung-ho one, that Dean can trick him more easily - if that makes any sense. Sometimes it's easier, not harder, to fool the people closest to you.

But Sam DID notice that Dean was acting strangely - maybe Sam DID know that Dean was stalling. I think it was just my guess that he was worried about the fixation, since Dean's usually the one that's enthusiastic about side-hunts.

Glad you enjoyed the episode and my review! I'm quite busy myself, so I completely understand about not having the time or being too tired to comment. :)

I think Henry was STILL naive when he met up with Sam and Dean - more knowledgeable, sure, but still naive.
supernutjapan
Apr. 1st, 2014 02:36 am (UTC)
Sometimes it's easier, not harder, to fool the people closest to you.

So true! And I remember you mentioning that before in the Season 8 reviews.

I think Henry was STILL naive when he met up with Sam and Dean - more knowledgeable, sure, but still naive.

He sure does look naive with his baby face! And he is more of a type that lives through books rather than rl. Sort of reminds me of me actually :P But the way he was suspicious of them when he first got there, and how he slipped past them etc., shows that he has a little bit of experience as well as knowledge. Maybe the massacre shocked him into action though aye? Can you imagine? All of a sudden finding out that his "best friend" was actually a demon and he had only a few seconds to get the key to safety before she could get to him? I wonder if he found her to be a little different after she was possessed or not? There is so much interesting stuff to think about!

*sigh* If only they had made it that Henry knew the boys when he came through that door - they could have made several more episodes on Henry coming to the future.
hells_half_acre
Apr. 1st, 2014 02:49 am (UTC)
Yeah, I often think it's a shame that Supernatural doesn't do two-parter episodes.
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