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Quick Reaction: 9x16 Blade Runners

Alright! Standard disclaimer: I have only watched the episode once, while drinking, quotes and sequences of events will inevitably be wrong because of this. Corrections are only necessary if I get a major plot point wrong or I ask for them.

This episode was directed by the lovely Serge, and looked like it was filmed mostly in flooded Boundary Bay DoD land.

So let's talk about it!

We open with Crowley...no, wait, we don't!

We open with Dean trying to phone Crowley. Dean has had no success, but Crowley DID drunk dial him once...which yeah, should have been a bad sign.

THEN we see Crowley, who is living it up hedonism-style, but that also means indulging in what is, quite obviously, a really bad human-blood addiction. It has officially crossed the line from casual drug use to harmful addiction, since it's affecting his work. Oh man, and I love that the name for Dean in his phone is "Not Moose" hehehehe.

His sex-partner/drug-runner is a spy for Abaddon. Plus, I was kind of bummed that she was a woman. Crowley's always been so flirty with men, I guess I was hoping for a scantily clad hunk. Anyway, thanks to DEAN'S voicemails, she tells Abaddon's man (who was attractive, IMO, despite unfortunate facial hair) about the First Blade.

Crowley, though, spies the treachery and kills her...oh, I guess I should mention that Crowley's also been indulging in empathy by watching movies and reading books, and it's kind of awesome and hilarious.

Anyway, his drug-runners dead, and he's surrounded by corpses, so, he calls the Winchesters.

Oh, I also forgot to mention that I like the fact that we see Sam researching Cain in the bunker. It was annoying me that he didn't seem to be more worried about what Dean might have gotten himself into, and well, it STILL kind of bothers me that he's not more worried, but at least he's researching.

I loved the shot of Crowley coming into the hotel room and the camera swinging around like his POV to reveal the Winchesters. I just really really love reveals like that. I think the last good one was in LARP and the Real Girl.

Anywho.. they want to know why Crowley's surrounded by corpses, and they discover the blood-bank blood that he just went to fetch... and yeah... so, it's off to the bunker again to chain Crowley up.

Crowley blames them, because they're the ones that got him hooked on human blood and then kept him chained up while his kingdom fell apart (not to mention they're the ones that put Abaddon back together again.) And he sort of has a point, but at the same time, he's the King of Hell and their enemy, they don't actually WANT him in charge or alive, they don't really care if he's King of Hell or not. They want to kill him AND Abaddon. They aren't actually going with the devil they know here permanently, they're just using the devil they know in order to get close to the devil that they don't know and they plan to kill them both. Or well, I'm guessing, anyway. And actually, they're plan in the beginning was to keep Crowley locked up so they could torture information out of him that would give them an upperhand against ALL demons... so yeah, like I said, they aren't going to regret anything thing that they've done to Crowley.

Crowley, meanwhile, tries to play to Sam's empathy or compassion or soemthing.... claiming they had a moment in the church, and then getting "sentimental" and giving Sam a long contemplative look. I'll get to this later...

They find out that Crowley DID trace the path of the First Blade, but lost it along the way...

Then there's something with a buyer so they they can get information about who it was sold to or something... I forget the setup to this part, but it doesn't matter. Crowley does the whole momentary-possession thing to get information. And I find it a LITTLE bit odd that the dude didn't even notice that he was possessed. I mean, it's the King of Hell!

Wait, was the Snooki scene before that? It must have been. So, here's the thing with that scene and I'm going to be really polite about it, because that's the kind of LJ I try to have here: 1) It seemed odd to have a "stunt" guest star and just have them be a weird forgettable cameo. 2)I think Snooki's acting strengths are probably in reality TV and not scripted TV.

Okay, back to the plot...

The first blade is supposedly at a museum... but alas, this gets to our "second victim" of the episode, and both guards get possessed, kill a nice girl bringing them lunch, and open the vault only to discover that the First Blade isn't even in it.

Cue Sam and Dean sweeping in as FBI agents, they see the security tape, figure it was Abaddon, and then interview the curator. First - did the security cameras not catch the original possession? Just the murders? I wonder if possessions show up on security footage.

The curator takes a liking to Dean... and I kind of love it. She shuts down all his threats, making him try to back them up so that he splutters, because he doesn't have any good follow-up lines rehearsed. And yeah, I just... it kind of gets a bit D/s-y and although I don't usually go for that, well, I sometimes love it when it's done well, and I think the dialogue and acting here was done really well. And Dean DOES tend to go for women who are...formidable... so yeah, I loved it.

Anyway, she sold it to a dude named Magnus. ... ALBERT MAGNUS PERHAPS?! Sam asks.

Then it's off to get information from Crowley on the Men of Letter's Massacre of 1959. Dude, I just realized that as a history buff, if I ever met Crowley, I'd probably just keep asking him questions like "So, I did a paper on this particular event and I want to know if I'm right..."

Crowley refuses to help them until they give something to him in return... in this case, he seems to want to be allowed upstairs to sit in a comfy chair and drink scotch. I'm kind of surprised they let him up into the library, to be honest. But they did.

They go through files until Crowley clues them in that the guy they're looking for would have been an active member at the time... and sure enough, he's in the "dishonoured and forgotten" file box. Cuthbert something-or-other...  someone who appears to be a witch! Or at least, super super good at spells. It's hard to tell in Supernatural what qualifies you as a witch. They're mythology on that (as with werewolves and apparently shapeshifters) has apparently gone even muddier than when it started.

Nevertheless, they track Cuthbert Magnus down to a patch of woods, where Crowley lost track of him years ago. And they deduce that since he did all the spells for the MoL bunker, that he's probably got a lair there...and they announce themselves, and THEY WERE RIGHT!

So, it's through the magic portal into Magnus' house... which, correct me if I'm wrong, is the same house they used in the French Mistake for Jared's mansion.

They're attacked by vampires! Yikes! What the heck?! But they kill them.... and it was all a test to see if they knew their stuff. Which, they obviously did.

We find out that Magnus has spells to stop himself aging (again, witch!) and that he has a zoo... he is a collector. And yeah, ZOO is a bad sign, because those monsters have to eat.. does he have a spell for that too?

They ask for the blade, and Magnus says it's useless without the Mark... and Dean shows him the Mark... and then, yup, it's a "ST:TNG: The Most Toys" situation, where Dean has just become a prize in Magnus' collection. Magnus sends Sam out of the house with a spell and then he has Dean all to himself.

Sam, meanwhile, makes his way back to the car and starts going over the files in the hopes of finding a way to get back in to save Dean, because he totally realizes what just happened.

So, now we get into the interesting bits with Crowley and Sam... Crowley keeps trying to argue that he wants to help Sam, and keeps trying to point out that he HAS helped Sam a lot... and Sam keeps shutting him down. But Crowley seems REALLY desperate to have Sam like him... and I do wonder how far Crowley's new found empathy goes and if he knows full well what the side-effect of the Blade is....

Magnus, meanwhile, ties Dean up and monologues at him about how he taught Dean's grandfather and how it'd be nice if Dean could stay with him forever and be his companion... and Dean is very creeped out.

Magnus also gets Dean to hold the blade for the first time though, and it's obviously AN EXPERIENCE... because the mark glows and Dean's arm shakes, and he's obviously overcome with SOMETHING. But what?!

Finally, in the outside world, Sam realizes that there's a spell to get in - Crowley fetches the ingredients, in seemingly another attempt to ingratiate himself to Sam, and Sam agrees that Crowley can be his back-up on the inside.

Once inside, the manage to hide from what Sam thinks is Magnus... but it's a shapeshifter! And yeah, okay, why no gross skin-shedding? I accepted it with the alpha-shifter, but I kind of really LIKED the gross skin-shedding, because it made the SPN monsters more... grounded in reality, somehow. Like, you need something really visceral and gross sometimes to get that gritty real-world feel... and I don't want them to lose that with shapeshifters.

Anyway, Sam gets himself tied up too. Nice one. And Magnus decides that he'll get Dean to comply by torturing his brother? Since when is that a good idea?

Thankfully, Magnus didn't expect Sam to have brought in Crowley, and Crowley sets Dean free - and Dean uses the Blade on Magnus... and then stands there CONSUMED WITH BLOODLUST...

But bloodlust for whom? I was wondering that, when my friend kindly pointed out that perhaps it's NOT a good idea to be the brother of someone who has the Mark of Cain, because PERHAPS the Mark of Cain is compelling Dean to KILL HIS BROTHER?!

Thankfully, Sam yelling at Dean to put the blade down finally gets through to him... or was it Crowley who got through to him? (you can answer this one). And Dean drops it.

Then it's off to the Impala to find that it's been RANSACKED BY DEMONS! It's a good thing they warded the trunk, but that didn't stop poor Baby from being keyed in Enochian. Also... uh, another criticism: I think at this point, the boys should PROBABLY be able to recognize frickin' Enochian. They've been dealing with angels for at least 5 years now.

Sam makes the mistake of taking that opportunity to point out to Dean that Crowley has come to the end of his utility and Dean promised that they'd kill him - and yeah, he probably should have not said that while Crowley was standing right there. Also...In they're haste to get to the car, they've dropped the Blade on the grass, and Crowley ceases his opportunity. He pins them to the car and takes the blade, explaining, seemingly only to Sam, that he KNOWS that they can't trust each other... and that he's taking the Blade until the point at which Dean needs to use it to kill Abaddon, and only then will he give it back.

So, here's my theory, which I'm sure you've guessed... I think Crowley knows that the Blade will compel Dean to kill Sam... I think that Crowley, in his new found empathy, actually doesn't want Sam to die... and I think that he's taking the Blade in order to try to make sure that Sam stays safe. Now, I KNOW that theory ascribes a LOT of good will to Crowley and therefore seems KIND OF far-fetched, but at this point, I can't really tell where Crowley's head is at, or Dean's... but I DO know that whatever that Blade is doing to Dean is nothing good.

So, thoughts? Let me know in comments!

Comments

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samantha890
Mar. 19th, 2014 07:51 am (UTC)
I don't really think the blade is going to compel Dean to try to kill his brother, because in SPN universe, Cain killed his brother out of LOVE.

"Abel wasn't talking to God. He was talking to Lucifer. Lucifer was gonna make my brother into his pet, I couldn't bear to watch him be corrupted, so I offered a deal — Abel's soul in Heaven for my soul in Hell. Lucifer accepted... as long as I was the one who sent Abel to Heaven. So, I killed him. Became a soldier of Hell — a knight." – Cain, 9.11 First Born

I don't think the blade or the mark would compel him against his brother. If anything, Sam might be the only one to get through to him while he's under the influence of the mark/blade BECAUSE Sam is his brother...

Just, uh... I think?
hells_half_acre
Mar. 19th, 2014 08:01 am (UTC)
Hmmm, yes, I had this thought too after I wrote out the theory... you might be right! It's a very good point and I don't have a counter argument for it.

Also, if Sam's the only one that can SAVE Dean from...becoming a killing machine? Or whatever... because Sam's his BROTHER, then that directly relates to the "we can't be brothers right now" problem that they're having... hmmm...

Whatever might happen, I am definitely interested! So, good job SPN writers. :)
samantha890
Mar. 19th, 2014 05:59 pm (UTC)
Me too, I'm definitely interested! I hope we finally get some Sam POV and we've always seen Dean talking Sam out of something, it would be nice for Sam to do it as well. It also gives Dean a direct storyline which he only ever got to do with Michael and then he ended up never getting possessed. So yeah, color me excited! :D
thursdaysisters
Mar. 19th, 2014 02:40 pm (UTC)
I could maybe see a situation where Sam tries to stop Dean from walking into a suicide mission, and Dean, out of his mind with the Blade, sees Sam as an obstacle.
samantha890
Mar. 19th, 2014 06:01 pm (UTC)
That's true. But Sam would still need to talk him out of it and I think Sam would be able to reach him because of their connection as brothers. Jared also said something big is going to happen for Sam to forgive Dean so maybe this will have something to do with it. Either way, I'm really excited! Even if Dean tries to kill Sam, that would be good too because we always get Sam trying to kill/hurt Dean while he's possessed, the reverse (even though we did get a little of it in the siren episode) would be really interesting to see. :)
strgazr04
Mar. 20th, 2014 05:12 am (UTC)
This is so true. I could even see Dean, in his confused haze, cut Sam with the blade and Sam's yelp of pain shocks Dean to drop the blade in a "oh god Sammy what did I do?!" kind of way. You know, Winchesters and their guilt lol.
samantha890
Mar. 20th, 2014 07:13 am (UTC)
Winchesters and their EVERYTHING, man! If it involves the two of them, I'm in. :D
liliaeth
Mar. 19th, 2014 08:55 am (UTC)
And yeah, okay, why no gross skin-shedding? I accepted it with the alpha-shifter, but I kind of really LIKED the gross skin-shedding, because it made the SPN monsters more... grounded in reality, somehow. Like, you need something really visceral and gross sometimes to get that gritty real-world feel... and I don't want them to lose that with shapeshifters.

I'm willing to blame this on the Magnus guy. I mean, if he's got spells against aging and for just about anything, I'd think that he'd have a spell to make sure that his pet shapeshifter doesn't shed all over the place.

As for Crowley pulling Dean out of Magnus' spell, I didnf't think that was Crowley's doing. I thought it was more Dean seeing Sam in trouble and pulling himself out of the spell to save Sam.
hells_half_acre
Mar. 19th, 2014 07:53 pm (UTC)
I'm willing to blame this on the Magnus guy. I mean, if he's got spells against aging and for just about anything, I'd think that he'd have a spell to make sure that his pet shapeshifter doesn't shed all over the place.

I will also use this explanation. :)

As for Crowley pulling Dean out of Magnus' spell, I didnf't think that was Crowley's doing. I thought it was more Dean seeing Sam in trouble and pulling himself out of the spell to save Sam.

Well, Crowley undid the chains that were holding Dean down... is what I believe anyway. They set that up too perfectly for it to be otherwise. The effects of the Mark/Blade though, I think was Sam pulling Dean out.
liliaeth
Mar. 19th, 2014 07:55 pm (UTC)
It's one thing I worry about in the spin off. That they're going to ignore the shedding, since some of the main chars are shapeshifters. I'd much prefer if they keep it.

hells_half_acre
Mar. 19th, 2014 08:19 pm (UTC)
Oh man, I didn't even think of that. I'm willing to bet that they're going to ignore it... sigh.
raloria
Mar. 19th, 2014 10:17 am (UTC)
Also... uh, another criticism: I think at this point, the boys should PROBABLY be able to recognize frickin' Enochian. They've been dealing with angels for at least 5 years now.

Good point. That did bug me a little, too. Surely Sam would've recognized it.

I think Sam is the one who got through to Dean to drop the blade. I agree with samantha890 that this is probably leading up to Sam saving Dean from himself, from being a killer. Of course, it could also work in combination...Sam might have to save himself from Dean. Dean will want to kill Sam and Sam will have to somehow break the hold the blade and the mark have on Dean to save himself from being killed by his own brother. That could be interesting too.

I'm eager to see what the long-term effects are on Dean. Now that he's gotten a taste of what the blade feels like...Magnus said he'd learn to love the feeling and even Cain himself said he relished the feel of the blade in his hand after he'd been apart from it for a while. I fear that each time Dean holds the blade that it will take control of him even more and soon it will be very difficult for that bond to be broken. Though we've seen Dean as a killing machine before (Live Free Or Twi-hard), so that could be pretty cool. :P
hells_half_acre
Mar. 19th, 2014 07:50 pm (UTC)
I do like to see Dean in killing machine mode - it is very hot. ;)

But yes, I'm definitely interested in what it's doing to him and how Sam is going to deal with it... very interesting plot, I think! Whatever happens, I'm sure it'll address the issues the brothers have been having.
frozen_delight
Mar. 19th, 2014 11:22 am (UTC)
Your summary and interpretation of the episode is excellent and immensely amusing as always, and I really like your theory that Crowley was trying to protect Sam by taking possession of the blade himself. I hadn't thought of that while I was watching, but it certainly could be true when you take the other interactions between Sam and Crowley in consideration.
Looking forward to what the next episodes will bring.
Though I'll never, never be consoled if that mark makes Dean want to kill Sam.
hells_half_acre
Mar. 19th, 2014 07:48 pm (UTC)
Thanks! And yes, I really just think there was a reason that we had a whole episode of Crowley trying to get some affection/validation from Sam before he "double-crossed" them... and so I really don't think it was a double-cross, it was a good deed in disguise.

I guess we'll see what happens with the Mark! We know that killing Sam is the last thing that DEAN wants to do - so if the Mark does compel him to be violent towards Sam, then we know that's ALL the Mark's doing and Dean seriously needs to be rescued.
quickreaver
Mar. 19th, 2014 12:36 pm (UTC)
Got nothing much to add except that I was quite pleased with this ep! Really looking forward to seeing what the Mark continues to do to Dean, and please, for the love of Chuck, keep writing Sam as the guy with a whole mess of brain cells to rub together! It was so nice having smart!Sam back!

Good stuff this week!
hells_half_acre
Mar. 19th, 2014 07:43 pm (UTC)
Agreed! I love the fact that Sam is actually very intelligent... really, both boys are, but we never get to see it! So, yes, this was great.
percysowner
Mar. 19th, 2014 01:32 pm (UTC)
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<i<Also... uh, another criticism: I think at this point, the boys should PROBABLY be able to recognize frickin' Enochian. They've been dealing with angels for at least 5 years now.</i>

Especially since Sam recognized Enochian in Hollywood Babylon AND both Sam and Dean new what the spell used to complete the kill the Hell Hound ritual, which was in Enochian said they already know according to canon. OTOH, at least we didn't get as big a change as Rogue Reapers, so I'll take that as a win.

I understand that there should be concern about if Dean will use the blade on Sam. I have run across the theory that since the blade is so dangerous to Sam that Dean will be saved by a certain angel and that will prove their twue wuv, so I am REALLY rooting for Sam being the only thing that can get through to Dean to keep him human. I do have a theory that possibly no one can talk Dean down and that he will kill Sam, but because the souls are stacking up in the veil, Sam won't be dead dead and can be revived one more time, this time because he is willing to come back to save Dean. But that is a 100% guess and I have never been right on these things.
hells_half_acre
Mar. 19th, 2014 07:41 pm (UTC)
I definitely think that whatever is happening with Dean and the Mark, that it will be Sam that saves him. As much as the Destiel shippers want twue wuv to be proven, the whole season so far has been about Sam and Dean's epic love for each other, rather than anyone else's epic love. Also, the way Jared and Jensen have been talking about the season, it definitely sounds like a role-reversal is going to take place - which to me means that Sam's going to be the rescuer for a change. (Sam's has TRIED to be the rescuer before of course, but always failed - so I think he's going to succeed for once.)

Interesting theory about the veil though! And if Sam DID choose to come back, then that would address the whole "does Sam WANT to die?" conundrum... also, it would involve a role for Castiel to take part in the rescue. I have to admit that it seems a little odd to make Misha a cast regular this season, but then make Castiel's storyline seemingly non-essential to the main plot-arc.
caranfindel
Mar. 19th, 2014 02:41 pm (UTC)
Don't shapeshifters only shed skin when they shift? This one didn't shift, he was killed.
katsheswims
Mar. 19th, 2014 03:28 pm (UTC)
Yeah, but they die in the skin they were in at the time of death. In season one when the shapeshifter died as Dean he stayed looking like Dean and that's how Dean was officially declared dead (the first time).
caranfindel
Mar. 19th, 2014 03:32 pm (UTC)
Oh, did Cuthbert's shifter shift after Sam killed him? I guess I missed that. Yeah, there should have been skin.
hells_half_acre
Mar. 19th, 2014 07:29 pm (UTC)
He shifted right before Sam killed him. So, there definitely should have been skin, but there wasn't.

Basically, the scene was that Sam walked into the room with the knife at "Magnus'" throat, looked up and saw Magnus, the shifter Sam had at knife point shifted from Magnus to some skinny kid, Sam killed him.
katsheswims
Mar. 19th, 2014 03:32 pm (UTC)
I definitely think that Sam was able to break Dean out of whatever the blade was doing to him. But I was also confused about if it was Sam or Crowley that it was trying to make Dean go for. I thought Crowley because I believe it was after a glance at him that Dean started fighting. But I was confused as to why he would be fighting that--unless it was just that he didn't want something to force him to act? And I'd ask why Sam would want to save Crowley here, but like us he just saw that Dean was struggling and didn't know what he was about to do so he tried to help Dean.

I'm looking forward to seeing where this goes!
hells_half_acre
Mar. 19th, 2014 07:34 pm (UTC)
I, at first, wondered if Dean was compelled to kill Crowley - but then I remembered that Cain MADE the Knights of Hell, so it didn't make sense to me that he'd be compelled to kill demons because Cain worked with demons and was technically pretty much a demon himself.

Which was when my friend pointed out that maybe it was compelling Dean to kill Sam... in which case Crowley might know that and be interested to see whether Dean could resist the impulse.

So, yeah, I'm wondering if the blade somehow makes it so that Dean doesn't want to kill demons? I'm not sure. I mean, eventually Cain killed a whole bunch of demons, so...yeah, I just don't know!

katsheswims
Mar. 20th, 2014 02:05 am (UTC)
Yeah, I think right now it could go a few ways. We'll just have to see what happens!
shadowsong26
Mar. 19th, 2014 08:17 pm (UTC)
Totally random, but it made me giggle--Crowley was watching Casablanca, and, um, at least when he's in Enemy Mine mode rather than Outright Antagonist mode (and even a little bit then), he's kind of a lot like Captain Renault. I have no idea if there's any substance to that comparison, other than I think it's hilarious.

Yeah, it was nice to see Sam showing at least some concern and researching one of the actual plots of this season. Especially since Dean failed to read the fine print (again).

Also, on a tangent, with the two main plots--Sam is the one more tied in with the Heaven plot and Dean with the Hell plot. Am I imagining that that's a total reversal of earlier plots, or has that actually never happened before?

OMG, absolutely yes on asking Crowley for historical details. That's totally what I'd do if I had him locked up in my basement dungeon.

Magnus is super-creepy when he's...I don't even know what verb to use here. But the stuff with Dean.

Maybe the shifter doesn't shed because it's purebred? Like those werewolves in that one s8 episode, with the college kids?

Yeah, uh, with not recognizing Enochian and plotting to kill Crowley RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM...kiiiiiiind of an Idiot Ball moment.

There's definitely something going on with the way Crowley handles Sam this episode. I'm not sure exactly what, though. Most likely, he's trying to cultivate Sam as a failsafe for when Blade-maddened Dean inevitably turns on him (Crowley, I mean), because Sam is probably the only one capable of stopping Dean if it goes that far. And when he takes the Blade at the end...it might be exactly what it is on the surface, where he needs the insurance/leash. Or, maybe he's protecting Sam because he has long-range plans that he might need Sam for--either having to do with Metatron (b/c he probably needs something on him to either outright defeat Heaven or maintain the balance between Heaven and Hell), for which he'd need Sam's buried Gadreel-memories, and in order to access those, he needs to get Sam willing to help him; or going waaaaaay back and resurrecting his demonic psychic powers? IDK. It also might be a lingering-empathy thing, like you said, but I think that's less likely than some combination of insurance against Dean + long-term plan.
hells_half_acre
Mar. 19th, 2014 08:28 pm (UTC)
I've only seen Casablanca once, so can't comment on comparisons. But it would be funny if that were deliberate!

Also, on a tangent, with the two main plots--Sam is the one more tied in with the Heaven plot and Dean with the Hell plot. Am I imagining that that's a total reversal of earlier plots, or has that actually never happened before?

Definitely a role reversal. Dean's always been the one more tied to heaven than Sam.

Maybe the shifter doesn't shed because it's purebred? Like those werewolves in that one s8 episode, with the college kids?

I had this thought too and would accept it. For one, SPN lore is that the shifter procreates by knocking up humans who think they're sleeping with their partners when they're actually with a shifter (super gross rapey shifters). But what happens when shifters procreate with shifters and not humans? Like, maybe the skin shedding is a product of being born to a human mother/father, but if shifters actually procreate with shifters they get more advanced abilities?

You might be right about Crowley just wanting insurance and setting up a long-term plan, rather than actually acting out of empathy - like I said, THAT much empathy might be stretching it. And if, for some reason, Crowley DOES need Sam for something than perhaps that's why he seemed to be trying to suck up so much to him during the episode.

I guess time will tell! In any csse, I am very intrigued!
pushistyj_koshk
Mar. 19th, 2014 10:29 pm (UTC)
Re: Once inside, the manage to hide from what Sam thinks is Magnus... but it's a shapeshifter! And yeah, okay, why no gross skin-shedding? I accepted it with the alpha-shifter, but I kind of really LIKED the gross skin-shedding, because it made the SPN monsters more... grounded in reality, somehow.

Yeah, I guess, they change stuff as they go. You know how at first (in Phantom Traveler) demon possessions looked more like a bunch of flies and not like smoke at all?
hells_half_acre
Mar. 19th, 2014 10:56 pm (UTC)
Yeah, and it entered through the eyes instead of the mouth... and they could pass seemingly without entering through any orifice in Devil's Trap...

But having a shifter NOT shed its skin is a much bigger change than just a change to the VFX quality. In my opinion, anyway.

But sure, maybe I'm just saying that because this is a change that I don't approve of. *shrug*

Edited at 2014-03-19 10:56 pm (UTC)
strgazr04
Mar. 20th, 2014 05:10 am (UTC)
I love, love, LOVE your theory about why Crowley took the blade. I was almost wondering what was going on with Dean while he was holding it. He glances at Crowley like prey but gives Sam a weird look too! So it makes sense to me. Would be pretty cool and then Crowley would of course hold it over the boys' heads in a "you now owe me" kind of way.
hells_half_acre
Mar. 20th, 2014 05:27 am (UTC)
Thanks! I'm glad someone doesn't think I'm completely out to lunch with my theory. ;)

It's certainly all very intriguing and I'm looking forward to seeing where they take it!
borgmama1of5
Mar. 20th, 2014 06:30 pm (UTC)
perhaps it's NOT a good idea to be the brother of someone who has the Mark of Cain, because PERHAPS the Mark of Cain is compelling Dean to KILL HIS BROTHER?
I think Crowley knows that the Blade will compel Dean to kill Sam... I think that Crowley, in his new found empathy, actually doesn't want Sam to die


Huh, those ideas never even occurred to me! And now I'm a little spooked...
hells_half_acre
Mar. 20th, 2014 07:59 pm (UTC)
I could be wrong!

But there is SOMETHING funky going on...
supernutjapan
Mar. 21st, 2014 04:19 pm (UTC)
Hey! Late here! and its already 1:15am...

I think the Mark could very well compel him to kill Sam...since Cain killed his brother with it aye? And it could be that Crowley is keeping it away on purpose like you said. Although I am not sure about the feelings... It was interesting that all episode Sam is telling Dean they can kill Crowley once they get the blade, while Crowley is trying to ingratiate himself to Sam. Does Sam want to kill Crowley because he is evil? Or because he feels uncomfortable with their little "bond"? Is Crowley trying to protect Sam by taking the blade or does he just know that Sam wants to kill him?
Anyway, interesting.

I can't wait to get Dean's description of what he felt as he held the blade... I wonder if Sam's going to ask him and if we are going to get an answer other than "Nothing I can't handle" variety? I'm curious also to know if keeping the blade away from Dean is going to have an effect on him. I do feel that the more he uses it, the more he will be affected by it and changed by it. Is he going to be drawn to it like Frodo and the ring? gulp.



I'm so glad this whole thing is moving forward!

Edited at 2014-03-21 04:23 pm (UTC)
hells_half_acre
Mar. 21st, 2014 04:58 pm (UTC)
All good questions! And things that I want to know too...

I'm glad it's moving forward as well. And I think no matter what the answers, it'll be interesting.

Personally, I think it's probably like Sam and the demon-blood, in that the blade might make Dean feel powerful beyond measure and thus cause him to take more risks and be more ruthless... on top of any other effect that it might have on him.
metallidean_grl
Mar. 29th, 2014 05:11 pm (UTC)
I was also glad to see Sam researching Cain and Abel. Sam has to be seeing some of the affects that the Mark is having on Dean, the drinking, the sleeplessness, the moodiness - or is Sam still of the mind as only Hunters, not brothers, and is just attuned to Dean as much as he used to. Sam may still harbor some resentment, hurt and/or anger towards Dean, so that could be clouding his judgement when it comes to Dean, but his inability to see the dark path Dean is sliding down - bothersome.


It also bothered me that Dean and Sam brought Crowley up to the main room in the bunker. The less Crowley sees of the bunker the better. I just hope that when they escort him in and out of the place that they cover his head so Crowley still has no idea where it is.

I just think that the blade makes Dean feels all kinds of power, natural and supernatural. And that power can be very heady - much like the power that Sam felt from drinking the demon blood. Sam became addicted to the blood because of the feeling of power it gave him, and now that Dean has had a taste of that power, he could very easily become addicted to it as well. Sam ignored Dean's pleas to stay away and went on his own path. So, the question is, will Dean do the same thing and ignore Sam and follow his own dark path. But then you get the other side of the coin, will Sam even make a concerted effort to dissuade Dean away from the power of the blade. Sam was the one that got through to Dean in this episode for him to drop the blade (not Crowley), so I do think that when the time comes, Sam will be the only one who will be able to get through to Dean, presuming Sam even tries.

I hadn't thought about Crowley's end game being to compel Dean to kill Sam. That has never crossed my mind. I think Crowley has a more selfish reason for Dean and the Blade and that is for Dean to become his own weapon, to become his slave. I think Crowley knows a lot more about the Blade than he has let on. Did you see him observing Dean carefully while Dean was holding the blade. I think Crowley knows of the affects, and he was watching it first hand, and figuring out how he can utilize that power for his own purposes. Of course, Sam being the only one who could get through to Dean, Crowley might want Sam out of the way, but I'm not sure if Crowley would go as far as getting Dean to kill Sam. I guess it is possible, but I'm not sure. Crowley has a big end game, and I am really very worried about that end game, and what it means for Dean's soul.
hells_half_acre
Mar. 31st, 2014 06:54 pm (UTC)
I agree with you about Crowley's possible game-plan. I'm intrigued to see if we are right - Crowley is DEFINITELY up to something fishy.

I also agree that Sam will probably be the only one who will be able to get through to Dean - much like Dean has always been the only one to get through to Sam when it matters most.
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