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Quick Reaction: 9x09 Holy Terror

I have had more wine than usual tonight... and it was red wine, so basically I've had so much wine that my teeth are now blue... more wine was consumed for obvious reasons to those who have watched the show.

So, standard disclaimer: I write this reaction after only watching the episode once (in this case, I watched it twice, but the second time I was mainly focusing on the live-tweets...and drinking more wine...so I'm afraid it's not going to help the memory problems.) Also, again, I have had a lot of wine. I'm not going to remember everything and I'm going to get quotes wrong - I am well aware of this.

TO THE EPISODE!

Oh god.

Okay, how did this thing actually start? Oh yeah! Back in October, or possibly early November, we had some super foggy days in Vancouver that were AWESOME (I love fog... as long as I'm not driving). In this case, we get to see a church-group glee-club driving through the beautiful fog in supposedly Wyoming. Only, it's really the DoD lands down by Boundary Bay airport. The same place that Harvelles was, and the crossroads...and Benny's gumbo shack... and Rufus' cabin... in this case though, I think they put the biker bar right where Harvelles used to be.

The glee club arrives at the bar and we're like "oh man, this isn't going to be good" and it wasn't! But in a different way than we were expecting - it's a angel-faction fight! The bikers, sadly, loose.

Cut to... Sam and Dean... in the car. Only it's Ezekiel and Dean, and their discussing how Ezekiel doesn't like taking this case because he's trying to stay away from angels! And Dean is like "but why are you trying to stay away from angels?" and Ezekiel is like, "Oh hai, here's Sam back." And then Sam is like, "how the hell did we go 50 miles in 12 seconds?!?!" and yeah... Sam's suspicions are rising.

I was super happy that Sam has actually noticed that he's missing time. It makes sense. Me and my friend were trying to come up with better lies for Dean, "Narcolepsy!" "Petite-mal seizures would also work! Only, I guess that would be more worrying.. not that narcolepsy isn't worrying too though..." (I'll leave you to guess who said what. :P)

They show up at the place and find that Cas is already there! Posing as an FBI agent and working the case! AWWWWW.... he's adorable. Dean is mostly just trying to figure out what the hell is going on and react to Cas taking the initiative in his own life and being where he's not supposed to be... meanwhile, Sam is very much on my boat and clearly thinking "Awww, he's adorable!" Seriously, I love Sam's face in this scene.

But then Ezekiel comes forward JUST to give Dean the bitch face once Cas walks away. And Dean just walks away... and um, guys? What's it going to be like for Sam once Ezekiel retreats. Dean is all of a sudden going to be across the room!! No wonder the boy is getting suspicious.

Is this where we cut to the meeting between Bartholomew and Malachi's people? Let's say that it is... we cut to a meeting between Batholomews angels and Malachi (and two of his angels). It turns out that the angels are a little like the Irish, in that both sides of their current civil war actually have the exact same goals, they just disagree on how to get there or, rather, who should rule once they do get what they want. They both want to usurp Metatron, but they also both want to rule heaven once Metatron is gone. So, they're killing each other off instead of going after Metatron. NOT SMART GUYS! The Irish civil war was FAR bloodier than their war for independence... and even the victor of the civil war was like "yo, one day history is going to figure out that I'm a huge douchebag who killed my poor innocent BFF" and he was correct... though he was still elected president a gazillon times and loved by all. Oh Ireland, I love you, but you have a touch of the crazy-sauce.

Anyway, Malachi kills Bartholomew's people because Bartholomew is IMPOLITE and unwilling to work things out (supposedly).

What's going on with Sam and Dean and Cas....

It's off or beers!! I have to say, that Cas has REALLY loosened up since the last time we saw him. He's definitely progressed on the human scale. I don't think it's just the beers either. Again, Sam spends most of the conversation emoting exactly what I'm feeling....

I love Cas and Dean reminiscing about how hot April-the-reaper-who-tortured-and-killed-Cas was... and it's really hilarious. I'm sure some destiel shippers will have huge problems with such a hetero-bro conversation, but please take solace in the fact that all I could think about was how hot that threesome would have been. ;)

Cas goes to get more beers, and Ezekiel comes forward again to bitch Dean out...  he wants to stay away from Cas, who he sees a beacon for angels. Dean wants to know what Ezekiel's so afraid of... or something, I kind of forget this part. God, so much wine.

ANYWAY, Cas comes back to the table and "Sam" excuses himself to "get something from the car" - it's kind of hilarious to me that "Ezekiel" is better than Sam at coming up with an excuse to leave... I'm just thinking of the other times that Sam's tried to leave Dean alone with someone in a bar before, and it's always been, "uh, I have to...go over there." Hehehehe....

Cas has noticed that Dean has been shifty every time that Sam brings up the fact that Cas left the bunker. Dean tries to explain that the trials messed Sam up, but he doesn't even tell Cas that Sam is currently possessed by Ezekiel... why? What's the harm in telling Cas? Did Ezekiel make him promise not to tell ANYONE or is Dean feeling ashamed of himself, knowing that it was wrong to take Sam's choice away from him?

Dean once again talks Cas into leaving though...

BUT BEFORE THAT HAPPENS...."Ezekiel" goes outside and meets METATRON! *gasp* and Metatron is all like "I know who you really are, and it's not Ezekiel!" *double gasp*

We come back from commercial to discover that Metatron is bored in heaven all alone... which I think is interesting, because wouldn't he have all the souls of heaven to entertain him? Seeing as how he went centuries upon centuries in isolation in Colorado, you would think he'd be able to handle it... but I guess we find out more about that later....

The point is, we find out that "Ezekiel" is actually Gadriel... who, at first, I thought was called Galadriel, and then I kept thinking of how awesome that would be... and how I wouldn't mind Cate Blanchett being inside of me...

ANYWAY... it's Gadriel, who apparently was the angel who accidentally let the snake into the garden of eden. So, basically, Supernatural gave us their version of Crowley, and now they're giving us their version of Aziraphale (for those who don't know Good Omens, please look it up.) Gadriel was in heaven's prison - in solitary. This REALLY explains why he was so inhuman to start, and his speech so measured. The angels falling has given him a second change. He was God's most trusted angel until he made the mistake... and I'd like to think that he's still fundamentally good, but a lot like Cas was, in that he can't tell the different between good actions and bad actions when he believes that he has good intentions and/or believes he is finally getting what he always wanted. But I'm getting ahead of myself...

Let's first go out to the woods, where a bible study is getting slaughtered before they can get possessed... well, that was fun, BACK TO THE SHOW!

Do we go back to Metatron and Sam? Sure, why not, you guys will just have to forgive me if everything is horribly out of order. This time, they're talking under a bridge and a skytrain line. Metatron explains that he never really could stand humanity... he liked to read about them, sure, but he did so in isolation from them. Interesting... so, I guess that explains why the human souls in heaven don't content him. He needs angelic souls. He wants Gadriel to join him. They'll rebuild heaven together - the way God intended it - without bureaucracy... and Gadriel points out that if God is AWOL, would that make Metatron God? and Metatron plays it like he'll RELUCTANTLY take that burden, but be called "X", not God.... but DUDES, Metatron is totally lying and is a megalomaniac! Oh man...GADRIEL, NOTHING GOOD WILL COME OF THIS?!! WHY DO YOU HAVE TO BE SO GODDAMN NAIVE?!

Cut to....

Dean and Sam are back in the bunker and Sam is wondering where Cas is and why Dean isn't more worried about him "just taking off like that" and yeah... poor Sam.

Meanwhile, Cas is praying.. this scene was hilarious. I love how Cas goes through all the different prayer positions from several different cultures. This was, though, an EXTREMELY risky move on his part... and the surprising thing is that it sort of works, though eventually backfires. Muriel (?) shows up in answer to his prayers, and once she realizes it's Cas, she wants to leave. But Cas convinces her to give him information about the civil war... we learn about the factions, about how Muriel is one of many who want no part of EITHER Bart or Malachi...and guys, not going to lie, I really wanted/want Cas to take charge of that third faction.

But before much can be done, Malachi's men show up and take both Muriel and Cas hostage.

Guys, why am I more attracted to Misha when his hair is messed up and he's covered in blood? Wait, don't answer that - I probably already know, and it's probably why it's for the best that I don't have a boyfriend.

ANYWAY, Cas is beaten to hell and gone. Malachi wants information and won't take Cas' story about being an UNWILLING accomplice as truth. He also throws the fact that Cas killed thousands in heaven himself back in Cas' face as a way for justifying his own murdering ways...ouch, that's gotta hurt more than the physical torture. He has his stooge Theo kill Muriel to show Cas that he's serious, I guess...all I could think was that it was pretty dumb of him to get rid of a bargaining chip that fast.

In his talking though, he tells Cas about the angels who didn't survive the fall... naming them...Ezekiel being a name among them. Cas is suddenly a lot more concerned than he was five-seconds ago.

Malachi leaves Theo to torture Cas, but Theo, as it turns out, really doesn't like working for Malachi. He's realized that Malachi is crazy-nut-balls and he wants to throw his chips in with Metatron, the one guy who is actually ON TOP right now. He figures that Cas has an in, so he pleads with Cas to tell Metatron to call him to heaven, that Theo will do whatever Metatron wants - that Theo will be the perfect soldier.

I think that's the problem with angels - they were trained to be soldiers, and it's all they know, and good or bad don't really register - all that registers is whether they're being given orders by someone who will LAST, someone who they know will be victorious.

On a completely separate note: Theo looks SO MUCH like Bull from Night Court. Do any of you remember Night Court? He's way too young, of course, and too hairy....but did the guy who played Bull have children? Because DAMN... SO SIMILAR.

Anyway, Cas is a clever girl. He plays the part of someone who actually DOES have Metatron's ear and gets Theo to release him from the shackles...., and then he STEALS METATRON'S GRACE?!!? Holy crow! I didn't realize that was possible. As we find out in the next scene with Cas though, it's considered "barbaric"...but again, I'm getting ahead of myself.

Cas has angel powers again. He heals himself and kills Theo and then escapes.

Gadriel and Metatron are talking again. Gadriel accepting the job offer (NOOOOOO!!!) and Metatron decides that he needs to test Gadriel's fidelity.... and he gives him the name of someone who needs to be "neutralized"...and yeah, I knew what was coming, because there's really only one threat to Metatron at the moment, and that's anyone with KNOWLEDGE or a means of acquiring it.

Cas calls Dean from a payphone... and tells Dean that he has his grace back, or rather "a grace" back... and that he's become a barbarian like the rest of the fighting angels. He's rather disgusted with himself and won't even really say whether him being an angel again is a good thing or not... and in my opinion, he even seems uncertain about how long his powers are going to last. I have a question about what this means? I mean... his he basically consuming Theo's "soul"? SO MANY METAPHYSICAL QUESTIONS!

Anyway.... Cas tells Dean about how Ezekiel is dead, and Dean, quite rightly, freaks the fuck out. He gets Kevin to find a spell that will put "Ezekiel" on the backburner so that Dean can talk to Sam for a minute and get Sam to eject the angel. Kevin wants to know WHY he's doing this, but Dean won't tell him, and just asks him for his trust. Kevin points out that he always gets screwed when he trusts Dean, and Dean takes offense to the "always" - hilarious, but also tragic, as these are the last words that Dean will ever say to Kevin.

Sidenote: My friend loved Kevin's line of "Everyone always needs a spell and it's always ASAP" - because that's the kind of job she has too. Only thankfully, with less death on the line.

Kevin found the spell, of course, and Dean uses it - telling Sam all about what he did and why and that Sam has to eject the angel now. Sam punches Dean out and leaves the room... only to come across Kevin, and straighten, and I think it IS good to note that Sam's eyes don't even flash, his posture just changes.

And that's when Gadriel kills Kevin.

Dean runs into the room, but it's too late. Gadriel sticks him to a pillar and tells him that he overheard Dean and Kevin talking about the spell and that Dean never actually spoke to Sam. Gadriel had altered the sigil and pretended to be Sam, convincingly, since he's had plenty of time to study up on Sam's mannerisms and reactions. And then he leaves....

Leaving Dean to slump to the floor, calling to Kevin as though there's even a chance that he's still alive... :(

So, yeah, FEELINGS.

Firstly, I'm super sad about Kevin, but that being said - I saw it coming based on the promo from last week. So, I had some time for my subconscious to prepare. That being said, I had hope that they might resurrect him, that it might only be temporary, but either Osric is really good at faking out the fandom, or it IS pretty final. We'll see though - Osric IS an actor. I may just live in denial that this is permanent a little longer.

Secondly, I really like how Dean still called Kevin's name. It really drove home the fact that Dean really doesn't care about what Kevin can DO for them, because even when it's obvious that Kevin will never see again, Dean just wants him to be ALIVE. I think that's what's most heartbreaking - the fact that we get the proof that Kevin WAS family, just like Dean claimed he was, because it wouldn't even matter to Dean if Kevin never read another tablet in his life. He would have loved him anyway.

Thirdly, Sam STILL DOESN'T KNOW! Oh man... I don't even know how it's going to come out now, or what's going to happen - I mean, the promo for January spells out pretty well what is going to happen, but I don't know what is going to happen EMOTIONALLY!

Fourthly, CAAAASSSS...I'm not sure how I feel about him being angelfied again. What does using Theo's grace mean long term? Does it mean anything?

Fifthly, At least Dean still has Cas. He's not completely alone. I really just wanted him to call Cas, and say "I need you" and yes, Cas would still have to take ground-transportation... but damn it, I just... Dean's all alone with Kevin's dead body and EVERYTHING IS HORRIBLE.

Sixthly... how come fifthly is a word but sixthly apparently isn't? Seventhly isn't either. Nor eighthly. I guess you're only allowed to use the ~ly suffix five times. :P

Okay, well, that's it until January.

S8 Rewatches will recommence on the weekend. Sorry that I had to take a few weeks off. I've been having trouble balancing work and my psychological problems, but things should be better this month.

As always, let me know what you think in the comments! Let me know what you want to discuss further and what crucial bit of information I forgot to talk about completely! Again, LOTS OF WINE THIS EVENING! So, apologies all around, but I regret nothing. 

Comments

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missyjack
Dec. 4th, 2013 08:33 am (UTC)
soo many questions left...here are a few comments and answers

Its spelled Gadreel and Meriel (thnx Ryan Curtis my on personal canon source)

Hey I remember Bull and Night Court. Why dont they make comedies like that (and Barney Miller and The Newhart show) anymore? Yes i like cranky comedies.

I am very sad to lose Kevin (IF WE INDEED HAVE) . I was hoping he would have a more prominent arc this season. Plus of course now Dean will have just some added guilt that Kevin's death poss couldve been avoided if he had've trusted Kevin,t he way he insisted Kevin trust him.

AND WHAT ABOUT POOR SAM!
hells_half_acre
Dec. 4th, 2013 08:52 am (UTC)
Ah man, I like "Gadriel" better than "Gadreel" - I may just pull a "Cas" with that one and ignore the official spelling. Meriel though, is good to know!

I'd love another show like Night Court. I loved that show. Bull was, in fact, my favourite. My second favourite was the dude who assisted Harry. I completely forget his name, but he was always 100% done. :P

I was really thinking Kevin would come into play more too - especially since Crowley hinted that his mum might still be around. I don't know, despite Osric's teary farewell, I'm holding out hope that it's all a ploy, and Kevin will stage some sort of heavenly coup and resurrect himself like the badass that he is.

If that doesn't happen, then it'll just happen in my head, and Kevin will decide to stay away from the Winchesters when he comes back and live a long and happy life on an island in Tahiti.

Man, Sam is going to be all sorts of messed up - I don't even know what's going to happen there. I don't think he's "gone" like Gaddy said, I think, he's just "asleep" and he'll be crazy confused once Dean rescues him - or he rescues himself - or whatever the hell happens! Why couldn't Gad've just gone back to Tahmoh, then Sam would have been alright (as long as he wasn't still dying) and we'd get more Tahmoh! I love a good Yukon boy.

Edited at 2013-12-04 08:52 am (UTC)
ramblin_rosie
Dec. 4th, 2013 08:59 am (UTC)
I was screaming for Gadreel to kill that oily little rat-faced usurper. I *hate* Metatron--for which I give props to Curtis Armstrong, who is probably a nice man. But no, they had to go and kill Kevin... poor kid. I, too, am holding on to the maxim that the surest way to come back on SPN is to die.
Argh. So angry about this whole situation (though the guys acted their hearts out, bless them). And of course I have to be up and doing again in four hours....

I hadn't made the connection to Bull, but you're right, that IS who Theo reminded me of! BTW, there's a picture of Richard Moll with Jared--a BTS pic from The Christmas Cottage, if I remember right--and the version I've seen has the caption "Richard Moll: For when you absolutely have to make Jared Padalecki the short one." :D
hells_half_acre
Dec. 4th, 2013 09:09 am (UTC)
Oh man, yeah, it's like I was with Meg - I HATED HER, which was major props to Nicki, who played her so well, because I was SUPPOSED to hate her. Metatron is so slimy, and Curtis plays him so slimy... I just want SOMEONE to kick his ass.

Richard Moll! It was bugging me what his name was, but I hadn't got to the point of looking it up yet. I had forgotten that he was in the Christmas Cottage.

But yes, in the words of Dorothy - you're not a hunter until you've died once. So, I'm still holding out hope that Kevin will return. He's far too beloved to be gone forever, and I swear they had been sewing seeds for future arcs for him - the hint that his mum might still be alive, the way Crowley delighted in messing with him...

Maybe Crowley will bring him back just to mess with him - I don't care, just as long as he comes back! :P
ramblin_rosie
Dec. 4th, 2013 09:16 am (UTC)
But yes, in the words of Dorothy - you're not a hunter until you've died once.
Heck, you're not a Winchester until you've died twice....
thursdaysisters
Dec. 4th, 2013 10:50 am (UTC)
I love characters achieving things by being smart! Gadreel's manipulation of Dean, Metatron's manipulation of Gadreel, Cas faking out his torturer, Dean trying to keep the chess pieces in place (and failing). <3
hells_half_acre
Dec. 4th, 2013 07:20 pm (UTC)
Yes!! I love that too. Even though I hate it when the bad guys are smart, because they're more successful... but yeah, I especially liked Cas faking out his torturer.
raloria
Dec. 4th, 2013 11:12 am (UTC)
We come back from commercial to discover that Metatron is bored in heaven all alone... which I think is interesting, because wouldn't he have all the souls of heaven to entertain him? Seeing as how he went centuries upon centuries in isolation in Colorado, you would think he'd be able to handle it...

Yes! I brought this thought up as well, but then I remembered he at least had his books here on earth. No reading material up in heaven, I guess. Must be boring. :P

I loved Night Court! :D

I'm suspecting that Sam is indeed in bad shape as Vesta saw. He was sleepy in a lot of the eps and putting two and two together, it leads me to think that Gadreel wasn't healing Sam at all or maybe only doing enough to let the guy barely function. Which leaves me worried about what's to come in the next ep come January, but of course, also really excited by what I've seen in the promo! :D

Poor Kevin though...did not see that coming. *cries with Dean* :(
hells_half_acre
Dec. 4th, 2013 07:18 pm (UTC)
Woo! Night Court fans unite! ;)

Interesting thoughts on Sam's health. I'd still like to believe that Gadreel WAS healing Sam, but that he might have been exaggerating when he kept telling Dean that it'd only be a little longer. So, yeah, although we take different routes to get there - I too am worried about Sam's condition when/if Dean gets him back and angel-free.
fannishliss
Dec. 4th, 2013 02:00 pm (UTC)
the promos for jan terrify me o_O

However this was an AMAZING ep.

I also kind of suspect that Osric would try to fake us out even if he knew he would be back. The whole fanfic thing. :D

Now I really like Gadreel and want him to survive and team up with them against Metatron. I am so sad about Kevin. Metatron sucks! Poor Gadreel, confused and naive. The moral is DO NOT TRUST METATRON, but Gadreel didn't know that! He should have gone with his first instinct that killing people isn't who he is. ... But I really liked the way that his horrible action of killing Kevin was paralleled in the ep with Cas's action of killing Theo -- another naive and lost Angel who needs some authority to tell him what to do. ... and then, of course, Gadreel was the one who killed Kevin, but Dean was the one who didn't tell him what he needed to know. ):

Zeke now Gadreel gave me an awful scare when he said Sam was gone. !!!! But then, I thought about the sigil. Its purpose was to bind the Angel. So, it's basically a binding sigil, not a banishing one. So, the altered sigil probably bound Sam deep inside himself where he won't know anything that is going on.

Re the spelling of Gadreel -- you see it either way, but the "eel" spelling makes it more obvious that he is a Grigori, one of the fallen Watcher Angels who were aligned with Azazel in the wilderness. Not a name you'd want Winchesters to know!!!

As Monicawoe was quick to point out last week, "Ezeqeel" was also a fallen Watcher. Maybe someone Gadreel used to know. ):

According to the lore, Gadreel led Eve astray and might be the father of Cain. o_O But I don't really trust SPN when it comes to Biblical lore -- they make very free with the source materials. :D Basically they like the racy bits and just jumble the rest.

SO NOW I'm sad and worried about everyone -- Sad Dean, Dead Kevin, Lost Sam, Guilty Gadreel. Poor Misled Gadreel, I think he has it the worst. (I really think Kevin will be back!) I guess it should be a real tribute to Jared how much he made me love Gadreel who is now a cold blooded murderer and a Sam Suppressor!

hells_half_acre
Dec. 4th, 2013 07:14 pm (UTC)
I also kind of suspect that Osric would try to fake us out even if he knew he would be back. The whole fanfic thing. :D

I'm REALLY hoping that's the case. However, I will prepare myself for disappointment.

I swear, someone has to take down Metatron by the end of this season... :P

But then, I thought about the sigil. Its purpose was to bind the Angel. So, it's basically a binding sigil, not a banishing one. So, the altered sigil probably bound Sam deep inside himself where he won't know anything that is going on.

Oh! I didn't think of that. I just thought that Gadreel had made it inoperative, not that he reversed the effects. Geez... but yeah, I don't actually think that Sam is gone.

And hey, if Sam IS gone, then he's in heaven with Kevin and they can team up from the inside!!

Re the spelling of Gadreel -- you see it either way, but the "eel" spelling makes it more obvious that he is a Grigori, one of the fallen Watcher Angels who were aligned with Azazel in the wilderness. Not a name you'd want Winchesters to know!!!

Cool! Okay, I'll use the "eel" spelling. I don't know anything about the real lore on angels, besides a few of the most known stories about the archangels (Michael, Gabriel, and Lucifer).

But yeah, I agree that you shouldn't expect SPN to follow biblical lore... they twist everything to their own devices and only really use the shell of the real lore.

I guess it should be a real tribute to Jared how much he made me love Gadreel who is now a cold blooded murderer and a Sam Suppressor!

Indeed. Lord help us if Jared ever turns evil - he'd give us the lost-puppy eyes and we'd be like "awww...it's okay!!" Seriously though, I thought he did a great job of showing that Gadreel's failing is that he's naive and desperate, not that he has ill intent.

Actually, I think "desperation" is a pretty good theme for this season.
katsheswims
Dec. 4th, 2013 02:47 pm (UTC)
Now Dean is all alone--everyone's dead except Charlie who is in Oz, and Jody (who he probably won't want to involve), and Cas who just told Dean he was going to be lying low (or something to that effect) and so will probably be hard to get ahold of...

I'm still holding out hope that we'll get to see into Heaven and see the hunters there taking action--Bobby, Jo, Ellen, Rufus, Ash, and now Kevin (maybe even John or Mary?)! I think it would be awesome to take the war to that front with Sam and Dean and it would be a great way to bring back some amazing characters!

Poor Sam too. I sort of think Gadreel (I like the Gadriel spelling too, that's how I was doing it!) may in the end 'see the error of his ways' and work with Sam and free him--that would be cool...

The theme of this episode seemed to be "I did what I had to"--repeated by Theo, Cas, Dean (to that effect if not words), then Gadreel. I thought it echoed well.


Edited at 2013-12-04 02:52 pm (UTC)
hells_half_acre
Dec. 4th, 2013 07:04 pm (UTC)
Oh it's true, Cas DID just tell Dean that he'd be lying low. :(

I really want there to be a kick-ass heaven team too - but I don't have much hope that we'll get it. Still, it'd be awesome if we did.

I really do hope that Gadreel becomes an ally - but I'm not sure whether that will happen or not! It sounds like Gad's got kind of a bum-deal the past few millenia - the sad thing is that probably, if he had just been honest with Dean, then Dean would have been fine with him.

The theme of this episode seemed to be "I did what I had to"--repeated by Theo, Cas, Dean (to that effect if not words), then Gadreel. I thought it echoed well.

Good catch! I was obviously too drunk to pick up themes. :P
katsheswims
Dec. 4th, 2013 10:01 pm (UTC)
There's always hope for that storyline!

Yeah, I noticed several characters said that line--though whether they really "had to" or they just didn't see another choice or that's just an excuse (or other reasons) I think can be debated.
supernutjapan
Dec. 4th, 2013 04:05 pm (UTC)
OK... I am going to try this one more time. This is the fourth time I am writing my comments after erasing them by mistake - not once but thrice. I hope this means I am going to be able to make an even better post than the former three.

First of all, too bad my prediction that Zeke might be Metatron was a flop, but the idea that he was not who he said he was, was on the mark aye? I thought pretty much everyone thought the same and was surprised to find that that was not necessarily true. There seemed to be a lot of eye popping... You weren't surprised though, were you? ;)

Anyway, poor Gadreel (I think your spelling is better too. It is prettier, if you know what I mean...But I guess his name shouldn’t look pretty…) looks like he is being played just as Cas was, aye? I hope Dean/Cas can stop him before he makes a fatal mistake like Cas did.

I thought the episode as a whole was very strange in its use of humorous scenes. Not that I didn't like them. I liked them a lot. But they didn't seem appropriate in an episode that was going to give us a serious cliffhanger. They took a little bit away from the seriousness of the situation. Bouncing our emotions around like ping-pong balls.

Other than that, I thought it was interesting that after all our worry about Sam being angry at Dean and having this showdown - well as you said, SAM STILL DOESN'T KNOW!!

So if that wasn't the cliffhanger... then maybe it is not going to be such an issue. I remember saying somewhere at the beginning of the season that Sam has not really ever gotten mad at Dean for what he did to keep Sam alive or resurrect him in past seasons and it is looking more possible that Sam won't really be mad this time around either.
hells_half_acre
Dec. 4th, 2013 06:41 pm (UTC)
I'm glad you successfully made a comment!

I thought pretty much everyone thought the same and was surprised to find that that was not necessarily true. There seemed to be a lot of eye popping... You weren't surprised though, were you? ;)

No, as soon as "Ezekiel" kicked Cas out of the bunker, I started having my suspicions... and then I realized that Ezekiel had never actually given that first angel in the parking lot his name. But yeah, if Ezekiel and Cas had gotten along, why would Ezekiel not want Cas to know about him being inside Sam? But, I didn't think he was metatron, and I definitely didn't think he was Lucifer (like I saw some fans theorize).

I thought the episode as a whole was very strange in its use of humorous scenes. Not that I didn't like them. I liked them a lot. But they didn't seem appropriate in an episode that was going to give us a serious cliffhanger. They took a little bit away from the seriousness of the situation. Bouncing our emotions around like ping-pong balls.

I thought they were okay. I know it's a writing technique that Whedon has become somewhat famous for - where you undercut your own tension with humour. They may have tried to employ it a little too liberally in this episode though.

I remember saying somewhere at the beginning of the season that Sam has not really ever gotten mad at Dean for what he did to keep Sam alive or resurrect him in past seasons and it is looking more possible that Sam won't really be mad this time around either.

See, I think Sam was PLENTY mad last time too, but because Dean was dying, he chose to put that anger on a shelf and just be there for his brother. This time, Dean's not in danger, so Sam is really free to be as angry or not angry as he so desires without feeling guilty about it.



supernutjapan
Dec. 4th, 2013 11:05 pm (UTC)
Yeah, glad I finally was able to post. Felt like giving up a couple of times. In the end I saved my post on word so I could try over if anything happened :D

See, I think Sam was PLENTY mad last time too, but because Dean was dying, he chose to put that anger on a shelf and just be there for his brother. This time, Dean's not in danger, so Sam is really free to be as angry or not angry as he so desires without feeling guilty about it.

Wait... which last time are you thinking about?
When Dean sold his soul? He was mad, but it wasn't an "I can't trust you anymore" or a "why did you keep it a secret" mad. More like a "WHY DID YOU DO IT!" mad; an "I love you and don't want you do die for me!" mad.

I was also thinking of when Dean got Death to put up the wall and kept it secret. Of course he was mad, but it did not cause a rift like people are/were thinking it would cause this time around.

The only time Sam got really mad about Dean's secret was when he kept it secret that he had killed Sam's kitsune friend and even that he understood in the end. Sorry - edit here - he was pretty pissed about the Purgatory bit in Season 8 but that did not have to do with saving his life either.

Anyway it is going to be interesting to see how Sam finds out. I hope Dean stops Gad before he goes on a killing spree.



Edited at 2013-12-04 11:10 pm (UTC)
hells_half_acre
Dec. 4th, 2013 11:38 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I was talking about the selling of the soul thing... and I still think he was more angry than he appeared about that, but shelved it. But it's true that he figured out what Dean had done pretty much right away, so there wasn't the added insult of Dean lying to him... which, yeah, I think that's probably going to be what Sam is pissed about the most. Well, that and the fact that Dean got Sam possessed against Sam's will.... yeah, Dean's really dug this hole deep.

I don't think Gad will necessarily go on a killing spree...but maybe? I guess I don't really know what Metatron is planning.

It's going to be a long wait until January!!
kuhekabir
Dec. 5th, 2013 07:22 am (UTC)
I kind of thought something was off about Ezekeel. He was being way to cagey in the end. I kind like this Galdreel??? too...even if he has run off with Sam for now. He doesn't seem like an idiot...there is potential there!

I do hope some offs Metatron soon. He is starting to become annoying. I am glad Castiel is back in the game...he is kind of awesome all the time, but even better when he is on the war path.

Poor Dean. He really isn't all that lucky with his decisions. I don't like the writers decisions to kill Kevin...SPN has an unfortunate history of killing off good characters just for the sake of it. At least that is what it seems like it to me.
hells_half_acre
Dec. 5th, 2013 08:16 am (UTC)
I agree about Kevin... I mean, on the one hand, if they wanted a senseless death, then they did a good job in achieving it. But DAMN. I'm also kind of pissed off because Kevin was one of the few good Asian characters on TV - or, at least the TV that I'm exposed to the most. So, yeah, sucks that he's dead now.

I'm still holding out hope that it's a temporary death.

I agree about Gadreel - he seems interesting, and I don't hate him. I think he's naive and has been led astray by Metatron, but that he has the potential to do the right thing.

I definitely think they should end the season with ganking Metatron. He makes a pretty good big bad, in that I REALLY want him to die now. :P
mekina
Dec. 5th, 2013 12:12 pm (UTC)
My reaction to the ep was mostly crying in capslock about Kevin. I was unprepared and it was BRUTAL and it hurts so much. I'm anxious about Sam and Dean and the reveal of the truth to Sam and everything...but 99% upset about Kevin. :C
hells_half_acre
Dec. 5th, 2013 05:09 pm (UTC)
*HUGS YOU*

:(
leto_okazaki
Dec. 7th, 2013 05:07 pm (UTC)
Yeah….Thanks to Tumblr, I knew that Kevin was going to die this episode. That particular spoiler didn't actually ruin it for me, but it made the whole damn thing that much more depressing (I'm still completely in denial about it, by the way. This is Supernatural. Death can be pretty cheap sometimes.)
I do like the "Gadriel" spelling a little bit better. One of my friends was ranting that this spelling is actually correct, but I've seen similar claims for the "Gadreel" spelling. I'll probably just call him Not!Ezekiel until I figure it out. But yeah…I feel like he just needs a hug. The poor guy has been imprisoned all this time, and then gets shot down to earth with the rest of the falling angels. For him, it's like a fresh start until fricken' Metatron decided to show up. I agree with you: that scumbag really deserves to get ganked.
Now, I just have to get through the long hiatus.
hells_half_acre
Dec. 7th, 2013 05:30 pm (UTC)
Oh man, I'm glad I avoided that spoiler, even though I had guessed it based on the promo - it's better to have a guess than a confirmation. I stopped following 90% of my SPN tumblrs a few months back, because people didn't seem to know how to tag their spoilers - ESPECIALLY if they involved Castiel, and it drove me absolutely nuts. Mind you, I consider promo-pictures spoilers and a lot of people seem not to.

I'm coming around to the Gadreel spelling. And yes, at first I was like your friend and thought it was the incorrect spelling - but I've seen evidence to the contrary. More than that though, I'm starting to feel like "Gadreel" really drives home the fact that he's an OLD angel that hasn't been around for a very long time...maybe because the spelling is more basic? Maybe because it looks like the sort of spelling that would have been used before English/spellings were standardized? I don't know. Personally, I like calling him Gaddy. :P

But yes, Metatron has to die. My goodness, I'm so angry with him right now! Obviously, the actor is doing a fantastic job of playing the villain.

Thankfully, we'll have the holidays to distract us a little during the hiatus, hopefully! Also, Sherlock starts up on the 1st, so that'll distract me plenty! Hopefully the hiatus just looks longer than it will feel.
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