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Hello!! Long time no see?! Do I even remember how to do this?!?!

No wine tonight (well, only a LITTLE bit) because I was driving, so I'm less drunk than usual. Let's see if it affects the ol' memory banks...

The opening was awesome. I loved the song choice. Now, unfortunately, I had seen the extended preview (because I'm an idiot) and thought I was completely spoiled for this episode - and I was a bit, but not to the degree that I thought I was.

ETA: Oh! TITLE CARD! TITLE CARD WAS BEAUTIFUL! I love it!!!!

So, we open in the car, with Sam and Dean, and already from the kind of weird camera angles or maybe just Dean's expression, I had a feeling that maybe we were inside Sam's head. Plus, I knew that Sam would be in a hospital bed, so he just seemed way too healthy and with it to me. I LOVED what they did though...with Dean not being Dean, just a projection of a facet of Sam. But I'm getting ahead of myself... Mind!Dean tells Sam that he's dying, and we pan out to Sam lying in the hospital....

The doctor breaks it down for Dean...Sam's internal organs are burnt somehow, and he's in a coma to save himself the pain of dying, but he IS dying, and there's no coming back. Then the doctor makes the mistake of telling Dean that it's "in God's hands"... listen folks, don't tell grieving atheists that they have to rely on God, it never goes over well. Dean is no exception.

Let's cut to Cas, who is wandering about in Colorado, at a loss as to what to do. He can still tune into angel radio - so yay for consistency there! (graceless!Anna could also hear the angels), but Cas can't respond, nor can he hear prayers, as we soon find out. He wanders into the road where a truck nearly hits him, and he hurts his hand... and feels pain for the first time. I really liked the driver, and wish that Cas could have stuck with him a bit longer - he was nice! He thought Cas was dehydrated, and even when Cas appeared to just be crazy, the driver was still really good with him!

Anyway, let's go back to Sam... I'm never going to remember the order of how everything happens, so forgive me if I'm getting it out of order, btw.

Sam is still in a coma - he's got Dean, who supposedly represents the part of Sam that wants to live... and I love how his projection of Dean is like a distilled over-the-top version of Dean, even if it's subtle. It's like a VERY subtle version of Tall Tales, which is the only other time we've ever gotten to see Sam POV on Dean. Dean is brash and insistent and uncompromising.

And then Bobby pops up in the back seat. Okay, so, full disclosure here - I actually wasn't too thrilled when I found out that Bobby was coming back. I'm of the opinion that every time they bring him back, it diminishes the affect of his death more and more. If I had my way, he'd have never been a ghost in the first place...and I know the fans love him, but I also think that SPN bringing him back just because the fans love him kind of ruins their integrity as writers. BUT! I SHOULDN'T HAVE DOUBTED THEM!

I really liked this return, because it makes sense that Sam would have a projection of Bobby in his mind too...after all, Bobby was the father-figure that Sam actually got along with, unlike John, who Sam always saw as similar to Dean in temperament, Bobby was much calmer and more intellectual in his arguments. John and Dean (and arguably even Sam) are all creatures ruled by emotion, whereas Bobby was very much able to step back and keep a perspective on things. So, yeah, I liked the fact that he represented the logical side of Sam that figured that maybe if he was dying it was better to just accept it as a job well done.

I also liked this, because that was more the Bobby that we knew... the one who knew that when your time comes, you should just go. Sam and I both were very disconcerted the last time we saw Bobby and he was so insistent that Sam find a way to bring him back to earth. So, I liked the fact that Sam's projection of Bobby was much more in keeping with how I always thought Bobby would be about death. Sam left a great legacy, and it's time to move on.

I'm getting WAY ahead of myself here though...we're still in the car with Sam, mind!Dean and mind!Bobby... I loved the bit where Dean starts arguing with Sam about how Sam obviously wants to live and that's why Dean's in the front seat, and then suddenly Bobby's in the front seat too.

Seriously, this whole episode is so fun from a psychological stand-point when it comes to Sam. I love it! It's also kind of similar to that fic that I wrote once (Were It Not That I Have Bad Dreams) - where Sam is dying and Dean dreamscapes his noggin until Sam eventually comes to his senses.

Anyway, Sam decides to hear Bobby out, and they go to walk through some woods to talk things over.

Meanwhile, Dean is praying to Cas, not knowing that Cas can't hear him. When Cas doesn't show up, Dean does something arguably VERY inadvisable and gives an open prayer to any and all angels "with their ears on" - we cut to see the various angels hearing the prayer... and many of them immediately head towards the hospital. Except thankfully slower, because they're all seemingly, at diminished capacity.

This is where we find out what FORM the angels have taken now that they've fallen. They still need vessels - and many have taken them. They also have seemingly just continued letting their vessels live their lives. They still have some abilities, but they DON'T have wings, so they can't insta-transport anymore. We find out more as the episode progresses, but basically the abilities they did have are diminished.

Cas meanwhile, discovers that he has no abilities without his grace, and is fully human. He arrives at a gas station, and the friendly pick-up truck driver gives him money (because he's SUPER NICE) and calls him "kid" which just supports Dean's "baby in a trenchcoat" comment, because Cas is at least as old as the primordial human-fish, if not older...and the vessel he's in is a forty-year-old.

Cas can't make the biker using the phone go to sleep via fingers-or-palm-to-forehead. Really, he should have seen that coming. Not only that, but he finds an angel named Hael, who APPEARS to be innocent and desperate for help. And she IS desperate for help, but her intentions are anything but innocent...

And Cas, god love him, tries to help - and he's kind and gentle and tries to get her to see that falling isn't necessarily a BAD thing...that she can learn to do things now, to do things she WANTS to do, rather than what she's TOLD to do... basically, five years after the apocalypse, Castiel is STILL trying to get the angels to understand free will. I'm starting to think that Castiel may have been God's experiment in giving an angel the capacity to have free will...well, Castiel and Lucifer, I guess. Maybe Lucifer was attempt number one, and then God realized that he should also make the angel fundamentally kind. Who knows... anyway, kind-Castiel kind of breaks my heart a little, because I had a feeling (and also saw a preview that suggested) that it was all a charade.

Anyhoo, meanwhile, back at the hospital, Dean is visited by a grief counselor...and my goodness, if I didn't want to be a doctor that mentioned God around Dean Winchester, I DEFINITELY would not want to be a grief counselor who had to try to convince Dean that Sam's death is inevitable. Dean has ISSUES man, I mean, technically all death is inevitable...I understand that Sam's only 32, so, yeah...too young to die...but I really hope Dean's not still doing this when he's 90.

The grief counselor makes a comment about how Dean would really need to have a angelic connection to get a miracle at this point, and Dean's like "I might have something just as good... I have the King of Hell in my trunk!" And I laughed! I can't believe Dean just left Crowley in the trunk while he sat by Sam's bedside...and he just kind of FORGOT about him. Hilarious. Also, I mean, what are their lives?! This show is ridiculous and awesome.

Crowley is still in the trunk, "one knock for yes, two for no - are you still alive?" Hahahah...but we don't get to see him because Dean's attacked by a suited angel with a sword. (Note: Angels still have their swords.) Thankfully, he's rescued by chiseled-jaw angel! Otherwise known as Ezekiel, otherwise known as "Okay, I love him." Because he's A LOT like Cas first was back in S4, and I just... I didn't realize how much I missed that type of angel. He gets his ass kicked a little, but he's awesome...so awesome. I loved him telling Dean that he came to help and then passing out and then Dean's little "okay!"

Dean gets Ezekiel awake and in Sam's room, and then Cas finally gets in touch with him. I loved this whole conversation too - because I guess I'm so used to fanfic where Cas is a helpless little babybird that Dean frets over - so it was refreshing to remember that the writers haven't forgotten the fact that technically Cas SHOULD be able to look after himself, and Dean treats him as someone who can. YES, he's concerned and reminds Cas that he has to eat and sleep and do human stuff, that he knows Cas isn't used to, but he also doesn't say "Where are you? I'll come immediately to you and cuddle you better!" He tells Cas to get to the bunker and assumes that Cas will be capable of that. Cas, meanwhile, also isn't a babybird - he's far more concerned about Sam than he is about himself...which is as it should be, because at least Cas is alive.

Dean warns Cas about the angels gunning for him, and warns Cas away from trusting Hael. Meanwhile, Cas confirms that Ezekiel is a good soldier, and he has a fond smile. Man, given how much Ezekiel is similar to Cas, I'd imagine that they had to have been friends... I really hope so anyway, but hey, knowing this show, Ezekiel is probably evil or something.

Angels attack the hospital and cut the phone-call short. Dean quickly wards the room, and runs out to fight... getting his ass handed to him by two angels.

Let's get back to Sam... after a  long talk with Bobby, Sam decides that it's time to move on, and Bobby says that all he has to do is enter a cottage in his mind. The part of him that wants to live, gives one last fight - again, being Dean to an extreme, he literally uses his fist for this fight after stabbing Bobby through the heart. Sam is used to Dean hitting him when he's really angry, we've seen this before...it's kind of horrible, but it's true, so I liked the fact that they included it. I also liked the fact that Sam dismisses him by patting him on the cheek - in a move we've only ever seen Bobby do in the past. It's a very kind of...condescending? paternal?...way to dismiss Dean.

He enters the cottage to find DEATH! I love that Death came personally, because Sam ranks that high. I love the fact that they sit down and discuss it, even though Sam figures Death came just because he'll enjoy taking a Winchester. When really, Death came because he LIKES Sam... he's impressed by him. Sam has such self-esteem issues that I'm pretty sure that was nice to hear, even if it was coming from Death.

Back to Cas! Cas tries to do as Dean suggested and leave Hael to travel to the Grand Canyon alone, so that Cas can get to the bunker without being followed. (Also, I think it's pretty neat that Hael made the Grand Canyon but has never seen it.) This is the thing with Hael, I don't think everything she told Castiel is bullshit. I think that she IS lost, and she IS afraid, and she DOES want to see the Grand Canyon...she just ALSO has more sinister motives. When Cas tries to leave, she hits him over the head with a piece of wood and kidnaps him.

Turns out, Hael chose a vessel that's too weak to contain her... ie: not the family line for Hael's true vessel (if she has one). She's slowly burning through the girl, Lucifer-style. Hael's solution to this is to possess Castiel, who's vessel is strong... it makes me wonder if the family-lines thing isn't for individual angels, but rather just angels in general. Like, I always assumed that Winchester=Michael!vessel, and Campbell=Lucifer!vessel...(which I loved, because I thought it was really poetic that Campbells were/are hunters). And maybe that's still true, but maybe for the non-archangels, it's just in general that certain family line/genetics are better and they can pick and choose who they possess - so one person might be the a good vessel for ANY angel, not just a certain angel.

Anyway, Cas sees a way out by noting that Hael hasn't learned to use seat belts yet. Cas buckles up and yanks on the wheel to crash the car. When he comes to, Hael has been thrown through the windshield and is gross and incapacitated. Cas tries to convince her that he only wants to help the angels, but Hael tells him he's an idiot... and yeah, basically Cas has to kill her, before she can go on angel radio and tell everyone where he is.

Sidenote: I kind of don't like the fact that the angels call it "angel radio" - I understand that they don't really have a name for it, but "angel radio" is just something that Dean came up with on the fly to describe what Anna was hearing. It would make much more sense for the angels to have their own name for it. Even just "the voices of the angels" or something very basic like that - rather than calling it a name that refers to a specific piece of human-technology.

Dean, meanwhile, draws a banishing sigil and gets rid of his attackers... he should know where angels go when they can't get into heaven though, that question had to be for show. When Cas banished himself, he ended up on a fishing boat in the gulf of Mexico, I believe. Anyway, sadly, between Ezekiel's waning angel powers and the warding on the room, he's been unable to help Sam. Dean quickly tries to cross off the warding, but it's of no use... Sam's too far gone...

To prove it, Ezekiel let's Dean hear Sam and Death's discussion... and we find out that Sam has one condition for going with Death - basically, he has a "Dean clause" - Death has to make sure there's no way for Dean to bring him back, that it's a permanent death, that NO ONE ELSE WILL BE HURT BECAUSE OF SAM. And that last bit just breaks my heart...Sam basically just sees his life as a serious of other people getting hurt because Sam exists, and that's so sad.

Dean is outraged when he hears this...but there's one way that Ezekiel CAN save him. If Ezekiel possesses Sam, he can keep Sam alive and repair the damage to Sam slowly over time while Ezekiel himself recovers from his fall (and subsequent beating).

Dean knows that Sam would rather die than be possessed, but Dean also knew that Sam would probably want to die than have Dean sell his soul... the fact is that when it comes to saving each other, Sam and Dean can be pretty selfish. So, just to complete the non-con of this resurrection, Ezekiel and Dean decide that Dean has to be the one that Sam says yes too, because it's the only way to trick Sam into agreeing. Sam will agree to live if Dean asks him to, and since the only way to live is to be possessed by Ezekiel, that means that yes is permission for Ezekiel to posses him.

Sure enough, Dean goes in (or possibly just gives Ezekiel the words) and convinces Sam not to go. Sam made a promise to Dean that they'd stick together and Dean's holding him to that promise - more than that, "there ain't no me, if there ain't no you" - Dean has decided that Sam and he are a packaged deal. They either go out together or they don't go out at all. (Or Dean goes out, seeing as how Sam is the only Winchester capable of letting go, it seems.)

Sam acquiesces, and says yes to Dean...and TADA, possession time!

I have to say, I did NOT see that coming. My theory was that in order to save Sam, Dean would have to sneak-feed him demon blood - because the trials had purified him of it, but he needed it to live because he's had it in him since he was 6 months old. So, I totally thought that the big secret of the season would be Dean getting Sam back on the demon-blood train...I did NOT think that the big secret of the season would be that Sam is secretly possessed. I'm happy to be wrong, because I think this is arguably more interesting!

Back to Cas! Cas is in the laundromat, washing the blood off his clothes.... only, before he puts the quarters in the machine...what appear to be his LAST quarters... he glances over and sees the vending machine. At first, I thought he was looking at the "do not overload the washers" sign and I was like "Cas, don't worry, you're cool, it's just a suit and trench coat."  but then I realized it was the vending machine and Cas was hungry and/or thirsty... and we see Cas contemplate, and then make the decision to CHANGE WARDROBE. He's abandoned his distinctive JohnConstantine-Trench and has switched to jeans and a hoodie...and a bottle of water, which he chugs. Our Cas is officially human.

Back to Dean and Ezekiel....who have left the hospital. They decide that Sam can't know about the possession, because if he rejects Ezekiel (which, what? vessels can DO THAT?!) then it means that Sam dies. I loved Dean's "no, this is too huge!" I should point out that I think the record for Dean keeping something from Sam still sits at 10 episodes (remembering Hell in S4), but the longest TIME wise, was probably 3-4 months (John's final words in S2). Sam is the MUCH better secret keeper in the family. He kept the being fed demon-blood as a baby fact a secret for 2 whole YEARS and even then, Dean found out from Cas, not Sam... and then, Dean only found out about Sam drinking demon blood when he did it in front of him, and that was 20 episodes. Anyway, yeah, Dean sucks at secrets, is my point. So, I'm concerned.

Sidenote: Jared, I love you, and I understand from your twitter that it was a miserable day to film because you were way too hot and trying not to squint...but you kind of are a bit TOO much like a robot when you are playing Ezekiel in that final scene. Tahmoh did it a little better.

Other sidenote: Tahmoh! Don't go!! I'm kind of sad that Ezekiel has a new vessel in Sam... I want more Tahmoh.

ANYWAY.... in scene reminiscent of the opening scene inside Sam's head, Sam wakes up in the car driving at night. It's been a day and a half, and for all Sam knows, Dean's just been driving around with Sam's comatose body, because he "knew [he]'d pull through"....okay, SLIGHTLY creepy and I'd start worrying about Dean's mental health (more so than usual) if I were Sam, but okay! I did love Dean's quip about letting Japanese tourists take pictures... and that quip makes Sam buy the story for some reason, and then "we've got work to do." Which is an excellent call back to the pilot, lo these 8 years later.

So, VERY INTERESTING set-up for the season. This means that Sam and Dean are never TRULY alone. Dean has to trust Ezekiel enough to let him into the bunker, hell, he's trusted him enough to let him into his BROTHER....so, I guess the bunker isn't that big of a deal. But Dean's trusting him based on Cas' word, and Cas has read people wrong before...he's also trusting him on Ezekiel's actions, and I have to admit, that he came across as sincere and trust worthy, much like Cas first did. But Cas also eventually double-crossed Dean and let Sam out of the panic room... will Ezekiel do something similar? Will it be as innocent or more sinister?

We now know what the status of the angels are....so it looks like next episode is where we find out the status of hell and the various demons in the Winchester's lives.

VERY INTERESTING INDEED.

As usual, let me know what I missed or what you desperately want to talk about in the comments!

PS: Rewatch of S8 will probably start this week.

Comments

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missyjack
Oct. 9th, 2013 08:39 am (UTC)
What an episode! The angelic possession thing - what a fucking twist! And seriously its a really dark path for Dean to take. These boys *shakes head*

Loved all the stuff, although I was more sympathetic to Hale. Plus I love the idea that now Cas himself is a potential vessel! I agree that its nice to see Cas being - well Cas and getting shit done.

And I really loved the Bobby and dean manifestation of Sam's self.

I am sad that we prob won't be seeing Tahmoh as Ezekiel again - greta actor and great chemistry with Jensen (well who doesn't)

Gonna be a helluva season!

hells_half_acre
Oct. 9th, 2013 08:58 pm (UTC)
I was sympathetic to Hale (Hael?/Hail?/Hayel?) too, like I said, I don't think she was lying about being lost and confused and in need of guidance - I just think she went about getting it a little bit ruthlessly.

Cas as a potential vessel is REALLY interesting - I didn't even really dwell on that, but it's true. He's human now, and his vessel has already proved itself to be strong enough to carry an angel long-term.

And yes, I'm sad that Tahmoh was just a one-time appearance (or so it seems). He's pretty awesome - also, a Yukon boy. I'm always impressed with people who grow up in the north.

Is it next week yet?
liliaeth
Oct. 9th, 2013 09:17 am (UTC)
Well, as for vessels being able to reject angels...

Sam rejected Lucifer, an archangel, or at the very least kept him down long enough to take back control. I'd think that Ezekiel knows about that.

I did like that Dean didn't want to keep secrets from Sam, and is planning to tell him as soon as there's no risk of it costing Sam's life.
hells_half_acre
Oct. 9th, 2013 09:01 pm (UTC)
Sam rejected Lucifer, an archangel, or at the very least kept him down long enough to take back control. I'd think that Ezekiel knows about that.

Ah! I see... I took "reject" to mean "eject", but obviously I was a little extreme with my interpretation. You're right, Sam's demonstrated the ability to control, arguably, the most powerful of all the angels, there's good reason why Ezekiel would be nervous.

I did like that Dean didn't want to keep secrets from Sam, and is planning to tell him as soon as there's no risk of it costing Sam's life.

I definitely agree. You can see that Dean REALLY doesn't want to lie to Sam, but he's been forced to by Ezekiel, who has a good point about any initial bad reaction being enough to (accidentally) kill himself.

Really, Dean's put them BOTH into a pretty difficult place with his refusal to go on without Sam.
jennytork
Oct. 9th, 2013 12:26 pm (UTC)
About the "Angel Radio" thing -- I assume that while Cas was running his side of the civil war in Heaven he used Dean's term for communication without realising he'd done so, and the other angels picked up on it.

I loved this episode -- SO worth the wait!
ramblin_rosie
Oct. 9th, 2013 03:13 pm (UTC)
That was my assumption, too.

And YAY! It was indeed worth the wait!
hells_half_acre
Oct. 9th, 2013 09:03 pm (UTC)
Interesting... I guess that's a good work-around. :P I still don't like it much though. But, given that I ended up getting my bestfriend to accidentally teach the expression "what the cheese?" to a room full of Chinese ESL students, I can see how these things could happen. :P
quickreaver
Oct. 9th, 2013 01:02 pm (UTC)
I'm with you on the angel radio thing; they'd have a more official, officious name for it. Hell, I agree with you about the whole kit and kaboodle! I know Jared will find his way around Ezekial in further appearances (which isn't really a spoiler if you've seen the premier, which you have!)

Great to have you back. I've missed your journaling!
hells_half_acre
Oct. 9th, 2013 09:06 pm (UTC)
Yeah, it sounds like the filming day on this one was just working against Jared, I'm sure he'll find his footing in future episodes.

Great to have you back. I've missed your journaling!

Thanks! It's great to be back. I've gotta get used to being around more, because I want to start the epic rewatch of S8 tonight!
thursdaysisters
Oct. 9th, 2013 01:11 pm (UTC)
The Sam possession thing is gonna be Trust Issues ahoy, and who IS Ezekial anyway? That's gonna be the fun part (and Sam with angel powers would be badass, now that Cas is human and gets to play the knowledgeable human).
hells_half_acre
Oct. 9th, 2013 09:08 pm (UTC)
Definitely looking forward to finding out more about Ezekiel and who he might be and whether his intentions are as pure as he's led us to believe. (I really want them to be!)

I'm wondering how the relationship between Sam and Cas will be altered (or not) given that Sam has an angel on board... and how Ezekiel will react to seeing Cas. All very intriguing stuff!!!
borgmama1of5
Oct. 9th, 2013 01:16 pm (UTC)
Sam possessed by angel--intriguing plot twist.

Dean allowing it to happen and keeping it secret--ouch!!!
hells_half_acre
Oct. 9th, 2013 09:09 pm (UTC)
Yes to both!
thestarkat
Oct. 9th, 2013 03:15 pm (UTC)
More secrets! I always cringe when they have the brothers keeping stuff from one another but as there is no way Sam would agree to the possession, it really is the only way.

Loved Tahmoh on this (he's got the perfect tall, chiseled features to play with the Winchesters, so it's a shame he won't be staying) . It was funny seeing him because we'd been watching SHIELD just before and the guy who played Quinn looked like he could have been Tahmoh's brother. When Tahmoh popped up on SPN, my guy said, You wanted Helo, there he is.

Edited at 2013-10-09 03:24 pm (UTC)
hells_half_acre
Oct. 9th, 2013 09:13 pm (UTC)
Indeed, basically the only way to save Sam was against his will. Dean basically pulled the ol' power-of-attorney and overrode Sam's Do Not Resuscitate - not really surprising, and hardly the first time the brothers have done so to each other.

I've never really seen much of Tahmoh's work - I've only seen a few episodes of Dollhouse. But he's definitely got charisma! Also, I love his name. It's always really cool when people we know and love from other shows come on SPN!
supernutjapan
Oct. 9th, 2013 03:19 pm (UTC)
Hey! Great episode aye?

Lots of good lines. I laughed alot, despite the seriousness of it - Sam-Dean's "I'm working on it!" reminded me so much of Season 1! And Sam's "Enough both of you. I can't hear myself think." :D

Anyway, I was thinking about Sam with Angel powers... If Ezekial "comes forward" and uses his powers while in Sam, they would have to erase Sam's memory each time... what a mess that would make, aye?
hells_half_acre
Oct. 9th, 2013 09:15 pm (UTC)
Yes, there were some great funny bits! I do love that line of Sam's about not being able to think because the different parts of his brain were talking too loud. :P

And yeah, it's going to be an interesting season full of small little memory-wipes if Ezekiel doesn't stay buried. Sam's going to start to know something is up with all the memory-holes that he has!
percysowner
Oct. 9th, 2013 11:52 pm (UTC)
Like, I always assumed that Winchester=Michael!vessel, and Campbell=Lucifer!vessel...(which I loved, because I thought it was really poetic that Campbells were/are hunters).

I always assumed that there simply was an able to carry an Archangel gene. Azazel went around dripping blood in a lot of kids mouths, so I guessed he was hitting everyone possible, just like Crowley gathered all the potential prophets together last year. I mean Lucifer told Azazel to find a special child, so Azazel had to use some parameters and Archangel vessel would be a safe bet.

Dean trusts Ezekiel because Cas told him he could be trusted. But Cas hasn't seen Ezekiel, so Ezekiel could be anyone and just using a different name. For example, I'm Lucifer and the spell sprung the Cage would not get him a good response from Dean. Substitute Michael or Gabriel or Raphael or even Zachariah and you get the same effect. So the angel picks the name of someone Cas knows and goes with it. As someone has noted Ezekiel said he was an angel injured in the fall. He didn't specify WHICH fall and Lucifer did have followers in his rebellion who may have fallen with Lucifer and who have been laying low until they could blend into a crowd of fallen angels.
hells_half_acre
Oct. 10th, 2013 12:27 am (UTC)
Interesting...

I'm actually in a possible minority among fans, where I don't actually want Lucifer to come back. That being said, what I want doesn't matter - and you do make a good point that Ezekiel could be anyone. Not only that, but he could be Ezekiel and have more sinister plans than he's letting on. So, anything is possible, and we can't really trust him based on his word - that being said, I can totally see why Dean made the choice to do so, as Dean always chooses Sam over anything.
percysowner
Oct. 10th, 2013 12:31 am (UTC)
I don't want Lucifer back if only because Sam went through all that Hell to get rid of him the first time and I would hate for it to have all been for nothing. I like Mark Pellegrino, but I can watch him on Tomorrow People, so I don't need a Lucifer return. It's just one possibility.
4422shini
Oct. 10th, 2013 08:01 am (UTC)
THAT DAY WAS RIDICULOUSLY HOT AND BRIGHT. I spent a good portion of the day ferrying bottles of water to dehydrated-on-migraine-level crew members.
hells_half_acre
Oct. 10th, 2013 04:18 pm (UTC)
Oh man, poor crew! Alright, I will be even more forgiving of Jared's weird robot performance.

4422shini
Oct. 10th, 2013 10:11 pm (UTC)
Eehhhh... not bright enough to forgive that performance. It was pretty ridiculous.
hells_half_acre
Oct. 10th, 2013 10:28 pm (UTC)
LOL
aec1990
Oct. 12th, 2013 03:49 am (UTC)
Re: "Angel Radio"
I wonder if it would be a bit hand-wavy or improbable to suggest that maybe Cas and Hael weren't actually having that conversation in English. Maybe Hael didn't actually say "angel radio." I might be making intuitive leaps I shouldn't be making, but I would think that "angel radio" would be something fundamentally ingrained into angels and their culture and would probably have a way of referring to it in their own language. Humans, however, do not have a similar capability as part of their being and therefore wouldn't have a term for it. However, Dean has used the term "angel radio" before, and it might, perhaps be the closest way of understanding the term, so the writers chose to use the term because they knew their viewers would understand it instantly rather than come up with another term to describe the concept.

Edited at 2013-10-12 03:49 am (UTC)
hells_half_acre
Oct. 12th, 2013 07:57 am (UTC)
Re: "Angel Radio"
Hmm, that's an interesting thought! It goes along with my thought that when we see angels interacting with each other in heaven, they're actually interacting as "wavelengths of celestial intent" and we just see them as human because that's the only way we could comprehend them...

So, yeah, maybe it's a bit hand-wavy, but I'll take it!
metallidean_grl
Nov. 1st, 2013 03:52 pm (UTC)
I was of the same mind when I read that Bobby was going to be back in the season opener. I though, oh gosh, beat a dead horse why don't you show, I though. How many times can you bring Bobby back and make it believable and not stretch credibility. I also remember reading fans reactions shouting, yay!! Bobby's back, them thinking that Bobby was back for the long haul. But I do remember Jim Beaver tweeting that he comes back in a way we least expect, and he wasn't there for very long, so my hopes of his visit short-lived were high. I agree, I also didn't expect his appearance the way that it happened. It seemed more realistic for Bobby to be pitching Sam to move on, instead of asking Sam to bring him back after his rescue from Hell last season, which just seemed a little OOC for me. Bobby has now come and gone and I really hope to heaven that he stays gone. The boys have moved on to other things, and so should the show.

It does seem kinda weird that the angels have adopted the phrase "angel radio" as a moniker for their listening to each other, when that was just a catch phrase made by Dean back in Season 4. You would think they would call it something a little more sophisticated sounding. I guess not.

I liked Ezekiel, and I continue to hold out hope that he will continue to be a good guy, and ally for the boys. I loved Tahmoh, and hope hope hope, that once Zeke leaves Sam's body, that he will go back to his original vessel and we will see Tahmoh again. I really don't think that Zeke will be in Sam the entire season, at least I hope not. I would love for Sam and Zeke to be healed, Zeke leaves Sam and enters Tahmoh and then Zeke becomes a HUGE ally for the brothers in helping them in the struggle with the angels on earth, as well as helping them get heaven reopened and Metatron vanquished. I like that scenario, whether or not it happens, well, that is another story. I'll just enjoy watching it all fold out; however it is that the writers direct it.
hells_half_acre
Nov. 1st, 2013 05:16 pm (UTC)
Looks like you and I are in agreement on everything!

While that's what I WANT for Ezekiel and Tahmoh, I'm a little bit more cynical and am not expecting to get it. We'll see though - in either case, I do hope that if Ezekiel IS up to something bad, that maybe they'll change his mind somehow. We'll see though!!

I'm thinking they might be doing the half-season thing, much like they did last year, and they'll use the mid-season finale as the "You're possessed by an angel, Sam" reveal -and the cliffy will be his reaction.

I've been wrong before though!
metallidean_grl
Nov. 1st, 2013 07:02 pm (UTC)
I know I am also waiting for the other shoe to drop, so to speak, and expect Zeke to emerge as a bad guy, just like all the others. For once I would like it if the guy seems like a good guy and he remains that good guy. But your scenario is interesting too. To have the Winchesters sway the mind of someone to their side. It has happened before, numerous times. But I would just like for something to go the right way from the beginning, for once, for the boys.

Given as to what Jensen said at ChiCon last weekend, and how the episode he was filming was highly emotional for him, and that was Ep 9, which is the holiday cliffhanger episode, I do suspect that that will be the big reveal episode, and then we have to wait 6 weeks or so to find out what happens next. Very cruel. Cruel show to make us wait like that. It's going to be an interesting ride up until then, though, from the episode synopsis that I have read. I am very excited to see how Dean continues to hide this from Sam, and how it finally comes out.
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