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Teen Wolf S3a

Well, I've now finished S3a! This leaves me in the same boat as the rest of the fandom - waiting for S3b with intrigued curiosity....

But before we get to that, let's see what I thought about S3a...

First off, I gotta say that in the first episode "Tattoo" when Scott was explaining to Derek why he wanted to get his tattoo, I REALLY expected Derek to say "that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard" after Scott finished - but nope.... they actually played it straight, like it WASN'T the stupidest thing we'd ever heard. :P

I do wonder what the storylines would have been if Colton had stayed on the cast, because he was written out so completely that it was like they had always planned for him to leave.[Spoilers for 3b]I don't think the actress that plays Cora leaving will be as seamless somehow - since Derek leaving his ONLY sibling to return to Beacon Hills will be hard to explain - unless they just give Derek even MORE angst and kill her off, which I wouldn't put it past them. But at the recent first-ever Teen Wolf Con, Hoechlin talked like there's a possibility that she still could be in a few episodes, so obviously they don't kill her in the first few episodes.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the actress who played Erica left too, right? Which was why they killed her and Boyd off in 3a? I had read that somewhere anyway. You can more tell that they're being killed off, though again, it's pretty well written to appear like it was always intentional.

Anyway, things I had heard about this 3a from fandom included how convoluted and crowded the plot was. So let's pick it apart with a summary....I'll put this in it's own little box, so that you can skip it if you've already figured out what everyone's motivations were...
Plot Overview:
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Alpha Pack comes to town. Derek knew they were going to come, because they ALWAYS come to check out new alphas - now, Derek had never actually SEEN them before (nor they him - as seen when Deucalion says he looks like his mother.) So, my theory is that Derek's little speech to Boyd and Erica about "once you start running, you never stop" is in reference to WHY he and Laura took to the hills after the Hale Fire - it wasn't to flee Kate Argent, it was because Laura was a new alpha. Derek, in S2, had decided to stop running and instead tried to build a pack very quickly in the hopes of being ready for the Alpha Pack when they arrived.

Ready for what though? Do the Alpha Pack try to recruit every single alpha? Derek seemed to know that they'd want him to kill his betas - so why create them? Does the Alpha Pack kill everyone who doesn't join? Did Derek always plan to resist and try to take them out? (These are questions that aren't answered).

The Alpha Pack is afraid of Scott. They know, for some reason (possibly through Morelle?) that Scott has the potential to be a true alpha. This makes Deucalion both want to recruit Scott AND kill him - since Scott is the only threat to Deucalion if he's against them. Deucalion decides to kill two birds with one stone and pretends to solely be interested in Derek, so that Derek will kill his betas (including Scott) and thus wipe out the threat... or Scott will survive/kill Derek and become the alpha that he's meant to be and join up with Deucalion.

Meanwhile, Jennifer Blake is a new English teacher and a Darach. She's followed the Alpha Pack back to Beacon Hills (or patiently waited until they returned) in order to get revenge for being mauled to almost-death and completely mutilated by Kali when she killed her pack to join Deucalion. In order to get enough power to wreak revenge on the Alpha Pack, Jennifer has started performing sacrifices in order to gain power. Much like the Alphas gain the power of any of their betas that they kill, Jennifer gains power from human sacrifices. Virgins, Philosophers, Warriors, Healers, Guardians.

So, basically, we have Derek being used as a pawn yet again.... by basically every single character by the end of the 3a... while these two powers go head to head.

Scott and Stiles try to keep everyone alive. Isaac starts switching loyalties. Lydia starts coming into her powers. The Alpha Twins fall in lurve. Peter lays back to see where the chips are falling so that he can make his next play for power/possibly get revenge on Derek... and Cora shows up after 6 years of being absent only to get conveniently (for Peter) sick and help bring about her brothers fall from power.

Although Jennifer is justified in wanting to kill the Alpha Pack, Scott and Derek can't fully support her in her quest because she's killed innocent people to accomplish her goals - and Derek has to try to kill her in the end in order to hopefully save the guardians.

Derek, using the same tactic that Peter just used on him, convinces her first to heal his eyes in order to distract her from completing the killing of the guardians.

Derek and Scott's decision not to kill people unless they absolutely have to also means that Deucalion lives at the end when Jennifer fails to kill him. So, in the end we're left with three villains still alive: Deucalion, Peter, and Gerard.....grey areas are Ethan and Aiden, who remain alive but we aren't sure of their loyalties anymore.
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So, pretty straight forward.

Flashback Episode: Paige etc.
Now let's talk about Derek... he's yet again manipulated by female. But, I think he comes to it honestly... because it seems that Peter has been manipulating Derek possibly his entire life and still is. We see this in the flashback episode of Derek when he's a teenager.

The flashback episode is extremely problematic. Firstly, REALLY? Do we REALLY need to give Derek even MORE angst and tragedy? I know from interviews that the writer only came up with the meaning of the eyes part way through S2, and so he needed to have a reason for Derek's eyes to have been blue in S1 - and since he decided that eyes turned blue when you'd killed innocents, he then had to have Derek kill someone in such a way that it wouldn't reflect too badly on Derek (ie: a mercy killing when the bite doesn't take). But seriously? If that were the only reason, he could have just had eyes turn blue when someone felt themselves GUILTY of killing innocents - because that way Derek's eyes just could have been blue because he accidentally got his whole family killed when he trusted the wrong person.

Of course, the second reason they needed the backstory was to explain the power of the Nemeton tree - the reason why Jennifer/Julia survived the first attack and also her "connection" with Derek. Plus, they needed to tie in the alpha pack with the nemeton and the timing of the "virgin sacrifice" that Derek inadvertently made. But, I'd argue that this could have been done MUCH better - because Ennis still could have bitten someone to replace his past members and then have it go bad (or possibly their bitten and then the agents kill them)... and Jennifer and Derek really didn't NEED to be tied together at all.

But, the other thing that backstory does is show how Peter was manipulative and sinister even BEFORE the fire... and that he's been manipulating Derek into doing stupid things for a VERY long time. To the point where I think Peter only has himself to blame that Derek was so easily manipulated by Kate too. Derek was basically raised by Peter to be a puppet with only a facade of free will and not any ACTUAL free will. Even when Derek DOESN'T choose to do something, his body is used to do it without his consent. It's actually quite horrible.

I'd seen posts on tumblr of people trying to get around the unreliable narrators and trying to explain away the unnecessary increase of tragic!past for Derek by saying that maybe none of it was true and Peter was lyiing, or it actually happened to PETER and not Derek... but that doesn't fly, because if you watch the episode - both Peter and Gerard are saying different things to their listeners than we the audience are seeing in the actual visuals. Which means that WE SAW the correct version, it was only the CHARACTERS that saw a different version. And this is basically confirmed by Jennifer when she explains how it all went down and what Paige's death meant for her.

Anywho... yeah, that addition to the canon was annoying. Derek already has a tragic enough past, thanks. I'm pretty sure 10 family members being burnt alive by your (possible) statutory rapist is enough to make a guy have issues - you don't need to add even MORE reasons.

Speaking of Kate Argent, let's talk....
TIMELINE.
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I know I know, Jeff Davis doesn't think about timelines and he's horrible at chronological continuity... and I knew this going in and I TRIED to turn it off, but I seriously couldn't.

So, this is what we know:
The Hale fire was 6 years ago.
Stiles mother died 8 years ago.
Cora Hale is 17.
Kate Argent told Derek that he "grew up in all the right places" back in S1.
Derek was a sophomore when the whole Paige and Deucalion backstory thing happened.

I know from Tyler's panel at the recent Teen Wolf Con (Wolfsbane, if people want to search out the vids), that Derek was basically 18 one day and 26 the next night, and I think this is because Davis wrote him as 18 and didn't even do the math about what that would mean for Kate Argent seducing him. Mainly that 6 tears ago he would have been 12! If he were 26, then 6 years ago he would have been 20, which is a much better age to be seduced. In 3a, we get this Paige backstory where he's a sophomore in High School, which places him at around 15/16, right? (Which is what age he LOOKS). Which means that Kate Argent wouldn't have seduced him until after that... personally, I think he was still a teenager, because of Kate's line about him growing up well... so, I'd place him around 17/18 when his family died, and 23/24 now.

Other things. Stiles was ~8 when his mother died. And Scott, Stiles, and Cora, were ~11 when the Hale Fire happened.

If the Paige and Deucalion backstory happened around 8 years ago, it would have also when Stiles' mom died. So, the Deputy Stilinski we saw in the flashback was someone who was just about to lose his wife, or just had lost his wife. Now, yes, at the hospital the Sheriff tells Melissa that the files for Jennifer/Julia would be "over ten years old"...which would support the Derek is ~26 idea.

I know Davis tried to imply that werewolves aged differently, by having Peter be really cryptic about how old he and Derek were. "Older than we look, but not as old as you'd think", and Cora's comment about being 17 "if you measure in years." But Davis does that really sloppily, because we also have Peter clearly stating that he only knew Cora "for 11 years, leaving 6 unaccounted for."

So, Cora is definitely 17 and was definitely 11 when the fire happened, regardless of how old Derek might have been. And the whole reason Peter tells Cora the Paige Story is to explain why her brother is different than she remembers... if 4-5 out of Cora's 11 years were spent with her brother POST-Paige, you'd think that she would remember him as being his sullen self and she wouldn't need the story. It would make far more sense to tell her the story if Derek only started amassing tragic!past in the last year or so that Cora knew Derek, so she wouldn't necessarily have noticed the personality change. So, I still think that Derek only had a year between Paige and Kate.

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Anyway, let's talk about plot and characters and whatnot....

Derek and Cora
Once again, like last season, we sacrifice good character moments for a fast-paced high-stakes plot. What do we know about Cora and Derek's relationship? She was thought dead. Derek is a disappointment to her. Derek has vowed not to leave her again. That's it - that's all we know. We don't really know what their dynamic is besides awkward... which is I guess understandable, since they don't really know each other when it comes right down to it. Derek used to be different when Cora knew him - and Cora grew up, seemingly, on the run.

What I do love about the characters is the family resemblance - from their appearance (good casting!) right down to their demeanor. It makes me wonder if the intent was to channel the fandoms love of Sterek into the Stiles/Cora ship and have that develop.[spoilers for 3b]. sadly, we'll never know, since the actress has moved onto other projects and can no longer commit to Teen Wolf.

Derek
Derek himself is in over his head. I think as soon as he knew the Alpha Pack was in town, he dropped the cocky attitude and realized that he was in deep shit. He'd been desperately trying to train his betas to be prepared, but in so doing he drove two of them away - the only ones he still had was an abuse victim who was used to it and a former-lizard dude who's parent's were hauling him off to London. So, he took the summer to make sure the former-lizard wouldn't kill anymore people and basically completely resigned himself to his fate.

You can see it in the very first episode, and basically right up until Kali takes the pole out of his back - Derek knows he's going to die. His only goal is to try to save his betas - he figures that will be his way of getting the Alpha business at least a LITTLE right. This all backfires, when his betas are stupidly loyal and come to help defend him on the night that the Alphas are coming to kill him.... and he let's them, because they have a pretty smart plan, and maybe Derek was wrong...only he wasn't, and it means he fails at saving Boyd, just as he failed to save Erica.

Oh, that's another thing, the other thing I saw in fanfic and tumblr was how wrong it was for Derek to throw that glass at Isaac and kick him out. Well, yeah, sure... but I completely understood why he did it, and this is DEREK we're talking about? What did you expect? For him to sit Isaac down and have a long talk about his suicide-plan and desire that Isaac switch loyalties and save himself? Not likely - especially not when Derek has grown up being manipulated by everyone around him - no, Derek is going to use what he knows and manipulate Isaac into doing what he wants instead - and that's pretty easy to do when you know that someone will leave if you start acting like their abusive father.

The other thing I saw on tumblr was how people said it was a continuity error that Isaac asked Derek if he bit them because he was lonely... because Derek supposedly said "right in front of Isaac" that it was for power back in S2. But um, guys, Isaac was unconscious at the time. It was BOYD who knew that Derek was biting them for power. Also, people can do one action for more than one reason. I get out of bed in the morning because I have to pee, eat, and I've got stuff to do.... it's not just one of those reasons, it's ALL Of them. Derek needed power if was going to deal with Gerard and eventually face the Alpha Pack instead of running like he and Laura did before, and he also probably bit them because he had just killed his last remaining family and Scott had rejected him as a pack member. So, yeah, Derek is a REALLY lonely boy.

Derek and Jennifer
Which brings me to the Jennifer/Derek storyline...which I actually kind of liked, right up until she was yet ANOTHER person manipulating him - though, granted, she wasn't actually, because what did she need him for? Protection against the alphas? He kind of sucked at that. I think Jennifer DID love Derek, but as soon as Derek found out that she was killing a whole bunch of innocent people, I'm pretty sure any and all affection he had for her went out the window and she became just another Kate Argent.

There were things that I liked about that storyline though, as I said - I liked the love scene, and how they paralleled Derek's and Scott's psychosomatic injuries. And I also liked how Derek never actually said that he was absolutely disgusted by her true face.... I thought that was a nice testament to Derek's character, that although he may have hardened his heart against her because of her behaviour, he knew that he had liked her for who she was (or who he thought she was) rather than what she looked like.

Speaking of though, dude, you don't end up looking like that unless you've been burned extensively, and the flashbacks only ever showed her beiing slashed. The whole burn-victim make-up was OTT and didn't make sense.

The Sheriff
Speaking of the Darach, let's talk about how awesome Sheriff Stilinski is!

Because, yes, granted, he doesn't believe Stiles at first - but as soon as he DOES believe, he figures out who the Darach is within HOURS. And it's someone who wasn't even on Stiles' list of suspects. Good job, Sheriff! ETA: Oh! Also the fact that Morelle was like "no detective is going to find Deaton!" and then BAM, Sheriff finds Deaton - and that's BEFORE he's even told about what's really going on. The Sheriff is awesome.

Also, it goes without saying that the Stilinski's once again ripped my heart out this season... what with Stiles fears for his father, then finally telling him, then the Sheriff not believing him, then believing him when it's almost too late... and then happy reunion! There's probably more I wanted to say about the Sheriff, but I've been writing this for a really long time and it's late and I'm starting to forget everything I wanted to talk about.

Allison
I love how the season started with Allison just doing whatever the hell she wanted. Like, the boys are planning this elaborate bank break-in, and Allison just calmly cuts the bolts and walks in... and the boys recruit Chris Agent to help them find Boyd and Cora, and meanwhile Allison is just out there trying to capture them on her own. Allison doesn't need or want your help, thanks.

It's really neat how basically the entire 3a, Allison is dealing with her OWN issues on her OWN without needing anyone to rescue her. She's coming to terms with her mother's death, her own lust for revenge afterward, her psychotic grandfather, etc. She learns the truth about why Derek bit her mother and it doesn't make her rush to Scott and get back together with him, it just makes her hate Derek a little less than she did... it just actually makes her UNDERSTAND and add more information to her arsenal for figuring out where she stands when it comes to the family business. And by the end of the season, she come into her own. SHE'S the agent of her own destiny. Unlike Derek, who is constantly manipulated up until the very last episode (arguably leaving is the first thing he's ever done of his own free will), Allison spends the entire 3a throwing off the manipulation of her mother, grandfather, and even her more reasonable father, and living her own life according to her rules - which includes leading the family business under her own code and no one else's.

Basically, Allison kicks ass.

Allison and Isaac
I like it. I mainly like it because it just shows that Allison and Scott aren't necessarily "meant to be" - S1 and S2 were set up to be all about this great destiny OTP - like there couldn't possibly be a happy ending unless they were together. And I kind of hate storylines like that. Life and love isn't like that. There's no such thing as a One True Love.

So, yeah, I like Allison and Isaac, because quit frankly, I'd probably like Allison/Anyone-but-Scott and Scott/Anyone-but-Allison, even if eventually it DOES end up with Allison/Scott holding hands and walking off into the sunset.... I just want the realism (and arguably more romantic notion) of them CHOOSING one another even though they don't HAVE to. I like the idea of them possibly being just as happy with other people.

Isaac
Like I said in my S2 write-up... Isaac had already started shifting loyalties to Scott back then, so nothing in 3a was all that surprising. I guess I was a little surprised that he was still as loyal to Derek as he was, but then, it's not like Derek doesn't deserve it - and as we saw in S2, Isaac admired Scott's resolve to HELP people, and Derek obviously needs help.

Stiles and Lydia
I like the friendship that has emerged. I like that Stiles still, and increasingly, loves her for her intelligence rather than her looks. (I like how after the panicattack!kiss, Stiles looks at her with affection after saying "that was really smart" rather than making some comment about sexy-times or anything. I also like, though, how you see Stiles slowly dismantling the pedestal that he had placed Lydia on... because YES she's really smart, but she's also infuriating - refusing to help, being skeptical, being altogether obtuse when she's not in the mood to deal with him, etc.

Basically, you see a REAL relationship grow where they're seeing each other as humans, rather than an idol and an idiotic pest. Because Lydia's view of Stiles is changing as well, of course... she's seeing how intelligent HE is, and Lydia obviously values intelligence above all.

Stiles
Stiles is pretty awesome. Again, I just love how much like his father he is. I also love that despite being a human, he's right there in the thick of things. I like how possibly even MORE than Scott, Stiles is willing to help anyone who needs it. We see this in joke scenes, like when they're discussing the bank job, and Derek asks "will you help?" (or whatever), and Stiles immediately says "yeah, if you want me to..." (or words to that effect) and Derek's like "not you! Scott".... but Stiles offered to go into a bank to rescue Boyd and Dead!Erica from a PACK OF ALPHAS with Derek EVEN BEFORE Scott said he would help. Meaning that Scott could have refused, and Stiles STILL possibly would have gone to help.

Derek and Stiles
And I think Derek sees that about Stiles too, because he believes Stiles and Scott over Jennifer without doubt. "Where's Stiles' father?" Derek knows who his (annoying) friends are. Derek knows where his loyalties lie.... and I'm very interested to see what happens in 3b, now that Derek is a beta/omega.

Stiles' Panic Attack and PTSD
I also like how Stiles can only keep it together up to a point. I love the fact that we actually SEE that tipping point, that point where he thinks all might be lost and he has the panic attack. I also love the camera/sound effects and how they portrayed the panic attack. It was really kind of spot-on for what happens when you lose it... not that I've ever had a panic attack, but when I get really upset, I can't see.... like, my visuals get really weird, it's hard to explain, but it's sort of like how they filmed the panic attack, where things go blurry if I'm moving.

We know from S2 that Stiles has PTSD (of the "hyper-vigilance" variety)...and you see him increasingly lose his cool and get ANGRY in 3a...at Lydia, at the Coach, at Ethan, and at Derek. And I LOVED those bits... I especially liked Stiles going toe to toe with Derek in the hospital briefly, because it just shows that Stiles doesn't fear Derek anymore - and I love that development in his character. Same with threatening Aiden. Stiles has just HAD it and he doesn't care if someone is 10x stronger and faster than him or not, he's not putting up with any of their shit.

I'd really love to see more of the Stilinski's in 3b though - like, how the Sheriff knowing affects their dynamic. Knowing Teen Wolf, I probably won't be able to see anything character related, but still - a girl can dream.

Boyd
It's a shame Boyd died. I guess they killed him because his storyline was too tied with Erica's? I don't even know... but it DOES kind of turn Teen Wolf into a pretty-white-boy show, so just in terms of representation it sucks. But also I would have loved to have explored the Boyd-Derek dynamic more, because they were really interesting together. Boyd was such a quiet thinker, that I always thought that out of all Derek's hastily created betas, Boyd was probably the one that he got along with the best. Which of course makes the manner of his death all the more tragic. Boyd was a saint going out though, because he basically forgave Derek with his dying breath.

Ethan and Aiden
I'll be interested to see what happens with these guys. They have a really weird superpower... the whole combining thing. And I think Ethan's freakout in Motel California was about that - about not being able to escape his brother, who obviously has slightly less heart/morals than Ethan does. I do believe that Ethan DOES love Danny.

I also think that despite Aiden's words to the contrary, he does hold some affection for Lydia - but possibly not enough to be relied upon. Ethan, meanwhile, I think will always act in whatever way he thinks is best for keeping Danny safe.

Lydia
I'm really interested to see what being a Banshee means besides finding dead bodies.... and possibly being able to predict the outcome of battles.... and being able to scream in such a way that all supernatural creatures you know will hear you. Like, is there other stuff she could do? Maybe that stuff is enough.

I'm also interested to see how Lydia is going to deal with the Peter-problem that's going to occur in 3b - and that's not a spoiler, anyone with a brain knows that Peter is not a force for good and is going to be a problem. I'd really love to see Lydia destroy Peter somehow. I just think that would be poetic justice.

Peter
He's an interesting villain. I'm interested to see what his next scheme is - does he really intend to steal alpha status from Scott? Why was it important for him for Derek to not be an alpha anymore? Wouldn't it have been easier for Peter to steal the alpha status from Derek? Why just demote him? How exactly did Cora get so conveniently sick? I really think Peter must have done something to her, because her sickness a)had no explanation and b)benefited Peter who CONVENIENTLY knew how Derek could save her. Mind you, Jennifer also tried to use Cora as leverage to get Derek to help her, so maybe she's to blame for Cora's sickness and Peter just saw an opportunity to demote Derek and took it.

Morelle and Deaton
Interesting siblings. Did I mention that I like the fact that Morelle is French-Canadian? I wonder if that's just a cover story. Or maybe it's her (missing) husband that's French-Canadian, since her and Deaton have different last names.

Emmisaries
I like the idea of Emissaries. It makes me think that they might be setting Stiles up to become one - because he's the only "human" in Scott's pack, really...Allison is a hunter, Lydia is a banshee.... who else is going to be a druidic connection to humanity for Scott? Mind you, maybe I've just way too much magic!Stiles fic.

It IS kind of weird though how Teen Wolf keeps mixing all their mythologies. Stick with one, maybe? I mean, you've got Celtic mythology as your main-thing, but then they were throwing Greek and Nordic myths in there too. Mind you, I like Supernatural, so maybe I shouldn't talk.

Is that everyone/everything? I'm tired.

ETA:
Melissa McCall
Can't forget about Melissa! I like how we see her slowly realizing that she can't just ignore werewolves and they'll go away... she realizes that if the world isn't playing by the rules that she thought were in place, that she's probably going to have to bend some rules herself. I love how she saved Danny, and helped the Sheriff find the Darach, and electrocuted the Ethden monster. And I love how Scott just looks at her afterward like "you're awesome!" Because she is.

It'll be interesting to see how the dynamic with Scott's father works in 3b. Part of me doesn't like the idea of him there, because I'm just forseeing dramatic daddy-issues, which I kind of get my fill of on Supernatural. But we'll see.

Scott!!
Did I forget to talk about Scott? Holy crow.  Um, he's maturing in 3a. There's not much else to say about him. I kind of wish that he had a better reason for his tattoo, because he starts off being kind of an immature teenager still - but I think by the end he's kind of matured more. He's not just successfully given Allison the space that she asked for, he's also accepted the fact that she may have moved on and that the world doesn't revolve around him - and that there's a possibility that Allison isn't the be-all-end-all of his life. Mind you, I could be lying, maybe 3b will be filled with Scott whining about Allison... but hopefully not.

You also see Scott slowly becoming an alpha through his interactions with Isaac especially. Isaac is already acting like Scott's beta, and we see Scott react in kind - he uses an "alpha voice" on Isaac TWICE even though he's not an alpha. More than that though, when Isaac panics when he's locked in the closet, Scott doesn't get mad at him, he recognizes that Isaac had been set up and where the real problem lay.

To be honest, I'm not sure how I feel about Scott being able to walk through a mountain ash barrier. I'm kind of a fan of some rules being unbreakable...like physics. If you're setting up a magical universe, then your magic rules have to be a bit like physics. They have to be universal constants...and Scott being able to break a mountain ash circle destroys that constant. That being said, it was a cool effect and a neat way to do the eye-close-up thingy thing.

I'm interested to see what Scott's going to do with his new found alphadom. I don't see him as the type to run around biting people - probably, it'll be much of the same, only he'll be the boss man. LIke I said above under Derek's section, it'll be interesting to see the Scott+Derek dynamic with Scott being the alpha. I doubt Derek will join Scott's pack...but it'd be nice if they became equals of sorts... the brothers that Derek wanted them to be in S1. But, that'd probably be too much of a happy ending. :P



Let me know what you desperately wanted me to talk about that I forgot and I'll talk about it with you in the comments!

Comments

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liliaeth
Sep. 13th, 2013 10:53 am (UTC)
Well you already know that I think that Scott is the strongest character on this show, as compared to Stiles, who seems stuck at the exact same state he was in in s1. Where Scott keeps growing as a person, Stiles still is that same immature brat.

I actually had no issue with Scott's reason for the tattoo. It shows his respect for Allison, allowing her the space to make her own choices, instead of hounding her the way that Stiles has been doing to Lydia for years. (one of the reasons I'm against the Lydia/Stiles ship is because it's basically rewarding him for his entitled behavior towards her. It's like telling guys that if they just keep after a girl, no matter how disinterested she is in them, eventually she'll cave. And that's just not an attitude that should even be hinted at.
hells_half_acre
Sep. 13th, 2013 07:53 pm (UTC)
And as you already know, I disagree with you about Stiles. ;)

But I do agree that Scott is growing as a person. I don't think that growth was reflected in his reasons for the tattoo - but I think it was reflected by the end of 3a - as though he got the tattoo but then had to actually grow into it.

On the Stiles/Lydia front, I think that 3a was about Stiles moving on from his former behaviour with Lydia... because he's not expecting her to cave anymore, nor, I would argue, is he sure that he still wants a relationship with her. What Stiles discovers in 3a is that sometimes it's much better to just be friends. So, that's why *I* can't get behind the Lydia/Stiles ship - because I like them too much as platonic friends who kind of drive each other a little bit crazy.

But I know we're always going to disagree when it comes to Stiles, so no worries. I know you don't see it that way. I'm just explaining the way I see it, and the fact that even though I see it differently, I also don't really want Stiles/Lydia to become a romantic thing.
verdande_mi
Sep. 13th, 2013 09:00 pm (UTC)
There are time issues that don’t add up I agree, but I do think the werewolves age differently or count years differently. I wish it was explained so it made sense. Also jarring was how neither Chris nor the Sheriff looked younger in the flashback episode.

I agree Peter has been manipulating Derek since, probably forever. I would love flashback episodes showing Peter interacting with Derek’s mother and the rest of the family. I wonder if he had everyone fooled or what.

Boyd dying does not sit well with me and took me by surprise actually. I had hoped to see character development and a better storyline this time around. Seeing him actually developing a proper relationship with Derek and the others would have been lovely.

I also would have liked to see more of him and Cora while they were held captive. Cora was protective of him; it would have been nice to see them interact.

I’m spoiler free for part 3b so far, but I hope Lydia will have a great storyline that involves, and ends, Peter’s schemes.

Allison was great in 3a; I love how independent and kickass she was.

Not sure what to make of Scott's father either, depends on the coming storyline. I loved Scott and his storyline, and I'm curious to see how he deals with being an Alpha.

Melissa and the Sheriff are great and I love the relationship they have with their children.
hells_half_acre
Sep. 13th, 2013 09:36 pm (UTC)
but I do think the werewolves age differently or count years differently. I wish it was explained so it made sense. Also jarring was how neither Chris nor the Sheriff looked younger in the flashback episode.

That's an interesting idea that they count years differently... but yeah, seeing as how the Sheriff and Chris were relatively the same age, I still stand by the idea that it was only 8-10 years ago.

I agree Peter has been manipulating Derek since, probably forever. I would love flashback episodes showing Peter interacting with Derek’s mother and the rest of the family. I wonder if he had everyone fooled or what.

I forgot to say this above, but I wonder if it has to do with Talia. Because in his story, Peter went on about how Talia was a very strong alpha and that Ennis would do favours for Derek in the hopes of getting into Talia's good books. I wonder if Peter thought that Derek was the key to getting to Talia too (perhaps not in her good books, but possibly being able to manipulate her... perhaps believing her children to be her weak spot.) It makes me wonder if Peter has always been power-hungry, and the whole revenge plot of S1 was just a nice excuse to hide behind when it came to killing Laura and taking what he had wanted all along.

But yeah, I would love to see how Talia and Peter interacted - if she knew what he was up to, or if she didn't realize the extent to how far he was sinking his claws into Derek.

Boyd dying does not sit well with me and took me by surprise actually. I had hoped to see character development and a better storyline this time around. Seeing him actually developing a proper relationship with Derek and the others would have been lovely.

Agreed. Also, I agree about seeing the Cora/Boyd dynamic more. Because Boyd didn't count Cora as a friend, but Cora was obviously heartbroken when Boyd died.

I hope Lydia will have a great storyline that involves, and ends, Peter’s schemes.

Me too!!

sandymg
Sep. 14th, 2013 02:48 am (UTC)
As ever I'll begin by commenting on one amazing moment. You spoke of it in general in your Sheriff/Stiles section. When Stiles blurts to his father's retreating back, "Mom would have believed me." Wow. That was a punch to the gut. Perfect delivery. Perfect line. And pitch perfect reaction shot.

I get frustrated sometimes over TW characterization and time spent on an accelerated plot over character. But then I get a line like that. Five words that show you so much. Ahh. So good.

I found myself giggling a bit when the Jennifer reveal happened. Derek has horrible luck with women :) I also actually said, 'You fugly, girl' to the TV. I think my inner Dean Winchester came out :)

Paige was a Supernatural alum. I loved that.

I agree with you about the timeline. It makes more sense for the narrative for Derek to have been seduced by Kate when he was 17 or 18. I could handle 19. Much older and it just doesn't work as well for the story. If she was his second 'true love' then it works.

I continue to love all scenes featuring the grownups. They tend to be my favorite moments. Also the parent/teenager scenes are gold. You already know my bias toward Stiles/Sheriff. But now I'm also very intrigued to see Scott with his dad. It opens up a lot of possibilities for Scott and gives the actor more to work with. Plus, I love all those daddy issue dynamics. (I am a Supernatural fanatic after all ;)

Imma end with the girls. Lydia is coming into her own and I'm so pleased. She lights up every scene she's in. And Alison is fantastic when she's all bad ass. I love how much control she's taken. I hope they move Lydia in the same direction.

As for ships -- I'm agnostic. Would I like actually seeing Sterek? Um, two incredible hot guys getting it on -- hell, yeah! But it won't happen. So far the set up isn't there.

I could live with all other couplings as long as they are organically grown. I wouldn't mind Stiles and Lydia (although I don't believe they are going to go there.) I never thought he stalked her in any way. It was always played as this hopeless crush from afar. She was portrayed as hardly knowing who he was when the series began! It was used for comedy. Now, though, they have created a nice friendship and a growing mutual respect. So if it turned romantic -- it would seem fluid enough. But I'd be just as happy with a friendship there.
hells_half_acre
Sep. 14th, 2013 03:07 am (UTC)
When Stiles blurts to his father's retreating back, "Mom would have believed me." Wow. That was a punch to the gut. Perfect delivery. Perfect line. And pitch perfect reaction shot.

Oh man, yes! I think lines and scenes like that are WHY we bemoan focus on plot rather than character, because when they do give us those character moments they're SO RICH AND DELICIOUS. We want to eat them for the meal, not just have them as a small side dish.

The Stilinksis have such a deep dynamic that we only see the surface of - on the one hand, I'd love for them to explore it more...why is any mention of Mama Stilinski practically used as a weapon between them? Why does Stiles blame himself for his mother's death?... but on the other hand, leaving those questions to the imagination almost makes them better, makes the Stilinskis all the more interesting to watch as we try to figure it out, and try to see how the past can so affect the way they relate to one another.

"Mom would have believed me" tells us so much - because Stiles BELIEVES, that's a fundamental aspect of his character, and what's he's saying there is that his mother was the same. The Sheriff doesn't believe, fully admits to it, so as much as Stiles takes after his father, we know in that line that his father probably sees his mother in him more than himself.

Anyway...yeah...amazing.

But now I'm also very intrigued to see Scott with his dad. It opens up a lot of possibilities for Scott and gives the actor more to work with. Plus, I love all those daddy issue dynamics. (I am a Supernatural fanatic after all ;)

See, I kind of get my fill of it from SPN :P

But you're right, it WILL be nice to give Tyler Posey more to chew as Scott... explore the character in a new circumstance we haven't explored before.

I agree with you about all the ships, and Stiles/Lydia - both about their possible future and about their past.
khek
Sep. 15th, 2013 07:25 pm (UTC)
The age/years things really bothers me too. One thing you forgot to mention when talking about the stupid flashback episode is that Peter is played by young actor Peter, who looks between 18 and 22, while Chris Argent and the sheriff are still played by the same actors. So, if anything, that would mean that werewolves age more rapidly than they look, since Peter goes from 19ish to 35ish in a year. Why a year? Because I think your timeline is correct, and there could have only been a year between Derek dating Paige/the flashback and Derek being seduced by Kate/the fire. And we see old!Peter at the fire. So...15+ years in one. Yikes. That could be disconcerting for anyone. Maybe that explains some of the psychotic side of his personality! :)

I didn't know that Derek was originally supposed to be 18! Tyler Hoechlin doesn't look 18, so I'm glad they went with a little older. I thought he was supposed to be about 22 or 23 in the premiere, which makes sense. How old is Peter supposed to be though? They show him in flashbacks as only a few years older than Derek, but now? He has to be 12 to 15 years older. Frankly, I think he had to have lost a child and wife (or husband) in the fire to make him lose touch with reality so much. And that wouldn't have happened in a year either.

I think the whole blue-eyed wolves story came out of nowhere. My theory is that Jackson's blue eyes were originally because they were going to find out he was a Hale, but when the actor left, they had to come up with something else. What did Peter, Jackson and Derek have in common? Well, actually nothing if they're not all related. But Peter and Jackson both murdered innocents, so therefore, they had to have Derek murder an innocent. I think it was a stupid thing to do, even though they bent over backwards to make it for a sympathetic reason. Because, imho, what is the determining factor that makes that decision? What if that wolf doesn't see his murders as innocent victims? What if a wolf doesn't know he's murdered an innocent? What if it looks like a person is innocent, but it turns out that they'd murdered someone too? It doesn't make any sense, and it wasn't thought out.

I have friends who think that Cora=Erica, and that the only reason that Cora came into being was because they needed to slot in another female werewolf for Derek's pack. In their theories, that explains why Cora and Derek's relationship seemed less familial and more generic, because she wasn't written as his sister until the last five or six episodes of 3A. I can see that too, but I think that Cora also replaced Jackson.

My theory is that Jackson was going to be the wolf in danger of dying from the Darach's attention, and that would be unbearable for both Derek and Peter because he was their nephew/cousin/half-sibling/some other relation Hale. And when they realized that they'd lost both Jackson and Erica, they came up with the character of Cora to fill both roles.

I also wonder if there had originally been more Boyd/Erica in captivity scenes that were edited out. That whole story with Boyd's sister came out of nowhere, but it seemed like it was supposed to be something we already knew about. So...maybe we missed something because it was cut?

Didn't the tattoo end up signifying less of the Alison doodling and more the rings on the trunk of the Nemeton tree? That was what I got at the end. Maybe I was wrong.


khek
Sep. 15th, 2013 07:25 pm (UTC)
LJ cut me off! Here's the end of what I wrote:

I thought I had more to add, but now I can't think of them. Probably because I keep getting distracted by other things. :) I love your assessment of this season though, and I agree with you about the characters and their relationships. I do think that although I love Scott, Stiles is the most dynamic character in the show. I love Derek too, and I wish they'd give him more to do. I think he does an amazing job with his body language and expressions when he doesn't have things to say, but I'd love to see more. And I love all the adults in the show--Melissa, the sheriff, Chris and Peter. I love that even though the show is called Teen Wolf, the adults are an integral part of the action, with things to do, emotions and their own relationships. They're not shoved to the side as morons who don't know what's going on, or killed off so the kids can do their thing without supervision.

I love this show. :) I think I need to make some TW icons to show that!
hells_half_acre
Sep. 15th, 2013 09:15 pm (UTC)
I do think that although I love Scott, Stiles is the most dynamic character in the show. I love Derek too, and I wish they'd give him more to do. I think he does an amazing job with his body language and expressions when he doesn't have things to say, but I'd love to see more.

Agreed!

I love that even though the show is called Teen Wolf, the adults are an integral part of the action, with things to do, emotions and their own relationships. They're not shoved to the side as morons who don't know what's going on, or killed off so the kids can do their thing without supervision.

Double-agreed!

I love this show. :) I think I need to make some TW icons to show that!

Yeah, me too. I have a feeling I might be posting about it more in the future and it might be good to have an icon or two. We'll see though.
hells_half_acre
Sep. 15th, 2013 09:11 pm (UTC)
One thing you forgot to mention when talking about the stupid flashback episode is that Peter is played by young actor Peter, who looks between 18 and 22, while Chris Argent and the sheriff are still played by the same actors.

Oh man, that didn't even occur to me. Peter must have hit a VERY weird growth-spurt. :P

I didn't know that Derek was originally supposed to be 18! Tyler Hoechlin doesn't look 18, so I'm glad they went with a little older.

The 18 comment is JUST based off something Tyler said at the recent Teen Wolf con, and I wasn't there so I'm not sure if it's legit canon... but I think Tyler DID look around 18 (at least "TV 18") in S1, but now he's looking much older. He's definitely got a more distinguished look to him than Dylan or Posey, who are both fairly baby-faced. But yeah, Derek being 18 doesn't make ANY sense for the Hale fire, since Kate would have had to seduce him at 12 (*shudders*).

How old is Peter supposed to be though? They show him in flashbacks as only a few years older than Derek, but now? He has to be 12 to 15 years older.

I think Peter's probably 10 years older than Derek, flashback actors aside. I thought it was canon that Peter lost a partner/children in the fire, but now I'm thinking that just might be widely accepted fanon. In anycase, I agree with you that it makes the most sense for helping to explain his psychotic break. In the flashback we learn that Peter's always been manipulative, but manipulative and psychotic-murderer are two different things.

What if it looks like a person is innocent, but it turns out that they'd murdered someone too? It doesn't make any sense, and it wasn't thought out.

That's why I think, if they were going to go the "murderer" route - they should have done it based on perception of self...and they should have just used the Hale fire for why Derek's eyes were blue. Now, maybe that would have brought up questions like "Wouldn't Laura have put two and two together in that case?" and stuff like that...so maybe that's not the best idea either. I just really don't think that Derek needed MORE tragic backstory.

The Jackson as a Hale idea of yours is an interesting one. I suppose having him be adopted makes a bit of sense - but then his parents were killed in a car-crash weren't they? You can't really kill a werewolf with a car - unless Jackson's parents were human Hales. One of these days, someone will have to ask the writer what his original plans were.

I'm not sure Cora=Erica... maybe? She does seem like kind of an odd addition, seeing as how they don't really use her for the emotional impact that she COULD have had. It's almost like they could have had ANY random werewolf be with Boyd and replace Erica...but I suppose in making her a Hale, we don't question her loyalty or the reason why she doesn't take one look at Derek's shamble of a pack and head for the hills.

I also wonder if there had originally been more Boyd/Erica in captivity scenes that were edited out. That whole story with Boyd's sister came out of nowhere, but it seemed like it was supposed to be something we already knew about. So...maybe we missed something because it was cut?

Maybe, because I agree with you there. Also, if they wanted Boyd to be depressed about something - why not just have it be Erica? Why add ANOTHER tragic backstory... why not have it be that he couldn't save Erica from the Alphas? This piling-on of tragic backstories seems to be a problem with this show.

Didn't the tattoo end up signifying less of the Alison doodling and more the rings on the trunk of the Nemeton tree? That was what I got at the end. Maybe I was wrong.

No, you're right. I probably just forgot to mention that in the post.

khek
Sep. 20th, 2013 01:26 am (UTC)
I guess Tyler H could have looked as young as 18 in the first season--he certainly looked much younger in the first few episodes than he does now! But the stubble/beard he's got going now makes him look his age!

Tragic backstory only goes so far before it gets too crazy, and I think the addition of Paige kind of pushes it over the top. So because it's a "storyteller" episode, I've just decided to ignore its existence for my internal canon. :)

Is there anyone on the show that doesn't have a tragic backstory? Hmm.
Derek - We won't even go into that.
Stiles - mother's death. He seems to feel guilty for some reason.
Scott - parent's divorce. (and I think it's canon that Scott lived with his dad for a bit and had to do something to end up back with mom.)
Alison - Does being kept in the dark about the family business count as tragic?
Isaac - abuse by dad, mother dead, brother dead
Erica - health issues
Boyd - vanishing sister
Lydia - ??? Are her parents divorced as well? THat's never been clear, and we've actually seen both of them.
Peter - Hale fire. I also thought it was canon that he had a wife and child die in the fire, but I'm not sure where I got that idea.
We don't really have tragic backstories for the parents, but they've all lost someone, so I guess that could count.

I think we need someone happy and well-adjusted to hang out with the Beacon Hills crowd! They could use some help in that direction.

One other thing I wanted to mention about time that I just thought of watching episode 3.13 again. Jennifer/the Darach was originally Julia, Kali's emmisary, right? So if we follow the (ugh) flashback episode once again, she was probably Kali's right-hand woman then, which means that she was probably in her 20s ten years ago. So even though she apparently adopted a younger face to replace her scarred one, she had to be in her 30s; a contemporary of Kali, Ennis and Deucalion. So, once again, Derek apparently had a much older girlfriend manipulating him.

Like he needed that again.

Edited at 2013-09-20 01:26 am (UTC)
hells_half_acre
Sep. 20th, 2013 01:38 am (UTC)
Lydia - ??? Are her parents divorced as well? THat's never been clear, and we've actually seen both of them.

You actually see both of them in one of the first few episodes. They're so busy fighting (divorced) that they apparently don't even know that their daughter is a genius. Lydia lives with her mum every time we've seen her at home though.

We kind of saw Allison's tragic backstory, what with being in the dark, then finding out her favourite aunt was a murdering psycho, then her mother committing suicide.

I'm interested to know what went down between Scott and his Dad - since, yes, he did once live with him, because when he did he had to take the school bus.

Maybe Danny doesn't have a tragic backstory? We know he was arrested for hacking when he was 13, but that's it. Maybe he's happy and well adjusted...oh, except that he apparently had some condition when he was a kid that required that they place a metal bar in his chest to prevent his ribs from crushing his heart and lungs... but other than THAT maybe he's happy and well-adjusted with loving parents...and that's why he doesn't get nearly enough screen time. ;)

So even though she apparently adopted a younger face to replace her scarred one, she had to be in her 30s; a contemporary of Kali, Ennis and Deucalion. So, once again, Derek apparently had a much older girlfriend manipulating him.

Yup, because once apparently wasn't enough! Stiles even pointed this out in the second to last episode of 3a. So, at least their self-aware? :P
mymuseandi
Sep. 16th, 2013 07:09 pm (UTC)
Ahah! I actually watched the entirety of 3A, so I can actually have some related comments! LOL

First, plot. I'm not a very big fan of the plot for this season. I think they do well on standalones but the big picture is messy. There are way to many unconnected threads to form the complete picture. Did Jennifer arrived before the Alphas or after the Alphas? Did she track them down and return to Beacon Hills, or have she been following them around and that was why they dropped hints about the currents and the animals and whatever it was, because they have been piecing it together all this while? When did the Alphas suspect that it was Jennifer/Julia who was the Darach? I assumed that both Kali and Jennifer/Julia were not locals of BH, because the town already has the Hales, so that begets the question, why did Kali try to kill Jennifer/Julia near the BH woods? So many questions, and don't even get me started on Derek/Jennifer, and her sacrifices. You don't kick a man when he's down, because that's just pathetic, yet Derek seems to be heaped on bad luck upon bad luck, while the sacrifices were not explained much at all. I'm still wondering why she needed to kill werewolves (Motel California main plot). The closest sacrificial circle they could be put in would be guardians, but then the parents wouldn't have a plot at all if that's so!

BUT. Even though the plot is full of holes, I still watch it, largely due to the characters. Like you, I adore Stiles. I love how human he can get, how teenager-y he can get, yet at times so adult in the way he tries to focus on finding the solutions to the core problem without whining (too much), because Scott's maturing due to his werewolf 'problem', Allison's dealing with grief and healing from it, Lydia's busy trying to figure out why she keeps finding dead people, Isaac's going around like an abused puppy that's tentatively warming up to it's new and caring owners, Derek's concentrating on forging new relationships with Cora and Jennifer, Peter's manipulating everyone around him. Everyone has their own little subplot, but Stiles doesn't, apart from the virginity problem, which was anti-climatic and turns out to be a non-problem after the third episode. I think this allows his character to be like the eye of the storm, and if they're taking the route to Stiles being the Emissary to the McCall/Hale pack, then I'm all for it. Plus I can't wait for the Stilinskis' bit in 3B. Those little clues that they keep dropping about Mrs Stilinski is just mouth-watering, and I hope they deliver on that front.

I read somewhere that if you substitute Erica for Cora, then the entire Cora storyline/script makes more sense, which I agree after trying that out. The scriptwriters/Jeff Davis were lazy, I believe, and maybe they Ctrl+F all of Erica's name for the script and changed it to Cora, and then put in a couple of throwaway lines about her being Derek's sister and being absent for however long it was (TIMELINE! *SHAKES FIST AT DAVIS*) and voila! New character 'rewritten'.
mymuseandi
Sep. 16th, 2013 07:20 pm (UTC)
LJ cuts me off!! (cont. part II)

I REALLY expected Derek to say "that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard" after Scott finished - but nope.... they actually played it straight, like it WASN'T the stupidest thing we'd ever heard.

I wasn't actually thinking it was stupid, until it that last episode where Scott figured out the tattoo was connected to the Nemeton. Now THAT was stupid for me. Did the Nemeton gave Scott, Stiles and Allison a psychic link on that very night when Scott was bitten? Does this mean that Scott had a foreshadowing of the Darach? Could he sense her presence by then? Is he psychic? The Nemeton is connected to Derek's Paige storyline, which in turn is connected to Julia being resurrected as Jennifer, and nothing to do with Scott being a true Alpha and whatnot, unless you count the link that the Darach was there only for the Alpha pack AFTER it came to BH, but that's reaching. And that circle of thought is giving me a headache, but I hope you get the gist.

...how wrong it was for Derek to throw that glass at Isaac and kick him out. Well, yeah, sure... but I completely understood why he did it, and this is DEREK we're talking about? What did you expect?..

LOL I remember watching that scene, and thinking, yeah, I can totally see right through you Derek, and that's a quick and dirty way to get rid of Isaac, go you for doing it in such a manner that I'm sure Isaac would cotton on to the fact there was something wrong as soon as he calmed down, and then going to tumblr and saw a near complete fandom meltdown of the scene. And I sat there thinking there must be something I missed.

I find that I pretty much ship everyone with everyone, in regards to the love relationships in the show. I do read a lot of Sterek fics, as I find that the other odd pairings are not as well-written as I thought they would be, but when it comes to on-screen I can pretty much ship anyone (that is age-appropriate to each other). I also love the parent-child relationships, and that little scene with Stiles using his mum as a weapon against his dad, it was both heartbreaking and shows the depth of the bond between them. As is with Allison/Chris Argent and Scott/Melissa McCall. This is one area that Teen Wolf got it right. I would love to see more of Derek/Talia, or even Derek with one of the parents, having a child-parent moment. My headcanon that Derek would love a surrogate parental figure, if only to complain to them how exasperated he finds the teenagers being :p

Phew, essay completed. I think. LOL
hells_half_acre
Sep. 16th, 2013 08:11 pm (UTC)
I wasn't actually thinking it was stupid, until it that last episode where Scott figured out the tattoo was connected to the Nemeton. Now THAT was stupid for me.

Yes, agreed. I kind of completely ignored that part because I hated it so much. It'd be better if the tattoo was somehow symbolic of Scott's future pack or something - like Derek's tattoo is the symbol for the Hale pack and the Alpha pack have their own symbol, etc.

I mean, FINE if it's based on the Nemeton that was retconned into being there when Scott was bitten... but I think that has to be the extent of it - no psychic connections or foreshadowing or anything.

LOL I remember watching that scene, and thinking, yeah, I can totally see right through you Derek, and that's a quick and dirty way to get rid of Isaac, go you for doing it in such a manner that I'm sure Isaac would cotton on to the fact there was something wrong as soon as he calmed down, and then going to tumblr and saw a near complete fandom meltdown of the scene. And I sat there thinking there must be something I missed.

Exactly!! Oh tumblr. I should remember how much it freaks out about the slightest thing. Obviously, Isaac calmed down and figured it out enough to come back with Boyd to try to protect Derek.

I find that I pretty much ship everyone with everyone, in regards to the love relationships in the show. I do read a lot of Sterek fics, as I find that the other odd pairings are not as well-written as I thought they would be, but when it comes to on-screen I can pretty much ship anyone (that is age-appropriate to each other).

Same! Except that I can't really get behind Scott/Stiles, because to me that's too much like Sam/Dean, it'd have to be REALLY well written for me to accept what is basically incest... even though I know Scott and Stiles aren't actually related, they're just such brothers to one another. Other than that though, everyone is fair game (who are age appropriate...ie: teenagers/Derek NOT shipped with parent-generation.)

I would love to see more of Derek/Talia, or even Derek with one of the parents, having a child-parent moment. My headcanon that Derek would love a surrogate parental figure, if only to complain to them how exasperated he finds the teenagers being :p

Agreed!! I'd love to know more about Derek's place in the Hale pack. I agree with (what I think might be fanon) that Derek was never meant to be alpha. He was obviously one of at least 3 children. 8 people (according to the police report) were killed in the fire, 11 people according to Derek (7/10 if we subtract Cora). So, did Derek have more siblings? Were the other deaths Peter's family? Other pack members? We know some of them were human...I want to explore that more as well.

I'd also love to see Derek interact with the parents. I kind of feel really cheated in retrospect that we never got to see the Sheriff interview Derek about Laura's death back in 1x01... I'd love to see their interaction now that the Sheriff knows what Derek is and what's been going on. I'd also love to see how Melissa relates to him - as of right now, the one scene they were in together, she just ignored him.

Obviously, Derek's interacted with Chris the most, but that relationship is always going to be tense and distrustful and angry... I want to see Derek with the Sheriff or Melissa, who I think would be infinitely kinder to him, and who Derek wouldn't see as a threat.

hells_half_acre
Sep. 16th, 2013 07:54 pm (UTC)
You don't kick a man when he's down, because that's just pathetic, yet Derek seems to be heaped on bad luck upon bad luck, while the sacrifices were not explained much at all. I'm still wondering why she needed to kill werewolves (Motel California main plot). The closest sacrificial circle they could be put in would be guardians, but then the parents wouldn't have a plot at all if that's so!

AGREED!!

Yeah, the plot tried to bite off too much and CONNECT too many things - and the end result was a sloppy mess, with Kali's presence in Beacon Hills when she killed her pack going unexplained, and too much tragedy being heaped on Derek...and if Ennis was so upset about one of his betas being killed, is he really the type to kill his entire pack for power? I'd understand Kali, because we never see another side of her, and I understand Duke because he's a psycho like Peter, but the little we saw of Ennis in the hospital scene with the Sheriff, he seemed like he was genuinely upset that a member of his pack had died - I mean, that was why he killed the hunter in the first place.

Anyway, yeah...hopefully in 3b they simplify.

I think this allows his character to be like the eye of the storm, and if they're taking the route to Stiles being the Emissary to the McCall/Hale pack, then I'm all for it. Plus I can't wait for the Stilinskis' bit in 3B. Those little clues that they keep dropping about Mrs Stilinski is just mouth-watering, and I hope they deliver on that front.

Again, I agree!

I read somewhere that if you substitute Erica for Cora, then the entire Cora storyline/script makes more sense, which I agree after trying that out. The scriptwriters/Jeff Davis were lazy, I believe, and maybe they Ctrl+F all of Erica's name for the script and changed it to Cora, and then put in a couple of throwaway lines about her being Derek's sister and being absent for however long it was (TIMELINE! *SHAKES FIST AT DAVIS*) and voila! New character 'rewritten'.

Yeah... you're the second person to mention this. I'm thinking you're probably write - obviously a bit more was changed too, since I don't see Derek leaving with only Erica at the end of the season, so either Derek was supposed to leave alone or the part with him and Cora leaving was written in along with Cora. I do think it would have been better with Erica. Or have Cora be just a random wolf, not a Hale, and then switch "Cora" and Boyd storylines, and have "Cora" be the one that's killed and Boyd be the one that mysteriously gets sick. Sure, I guess you'd lose the full impact of Boyd's death, but then you wouldn't have to explain why Derek is willing to give up his alpha powers to save the new beta, because it WOULDN'T be a new beta, it'd be Boyd.

Or maybe I'm crazy - I should stop trying to think of writing fixes while writing comments. :P

We'll see what happens in 3b now that the actress who plays Cora has left too. I mean...geez, Teen Wolf, you have a problem with employee retention!
jedinic
Sep. 17th, 2013 04:41 pm (UTC)
So did Erica's actress leave by choice as well? I thought she'd been written out.

Love the review as always. So many fascinating character insights!
hells_half_acre
Sep. 17th, 2013 04:49 pm (UTC)
I thought she left by choice - but I don't know for certain.

ETA: Oh! And thanks! I'm glad you liked the review. :)

Edited at 2013-09-17 04:50 pm (UTC)
mymuseandi
Sep. 18th, 2013 02:47 am (UTC)
If I'm recalling the news right, Gage Golightly (Erica) left because she has a new lead in a CW pilot. However, it wasn't picked up and by that time Teen Wolf has started filming. It's a shame though. Erica would have made more sense than Cora.
hells_half_acre
Sep. 18th, 2013 07:45 am (UTC)
Awww, that sucks for everyone :(
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