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Quick Reaction: 7x16 Out With The Old

Hello! Okay! Later than usual, but before I watched tonight's episode, I went out and saw a Canadian (Vancouver) movie called Doppelganger Paul, which was adorable, hilarious, and awesomely weird. Right now it's only being released in Canada, but they're apparently in talks with US and European distributors...so, yeah, if you can find it, I recommend it.



Anyway, on with the episode...

It had been so long since the last episode, I had actually forgotten about the cliffy...some Sam!girl I am. Well, technically, I'm a bi-bro Jared!girl, but really, I don't like labels...

Yeah, I'm off track already. I liked the opening teaser death...and then we get extremely sleepy Sam...and Dean in snowy Fort Langley. Actually, for those of you who like location info - the majority of this episode was filmed in Fort Langley. Whenever I need to get away from the city for a bit, I either drive the Sea-to-Sky up to Whistler, or I drive to Fort Langley...it depends how much time I have (and how much gas is in the car.)

Oh man, yes...off track.

I like the fact that Sam is being completely honest with Dean about how bad things are for him...I mean, you can't really hide not-sleeping, but besides that, he's letting Dean know that Lucifer is there 24/7 now. I think that's healthy. I also think Dean's "did you try the hand thing?" was worthy of a "are you a complete idiot" glare, but you know, that's me. :P

And we actually see Frank instead of just having him on the phone!!  But...yeah....

Then it's off to investigate a dead ballerina...and they wear the FBI suits with the trench coats and I LOVE THEM. HOLY CRAP THEY LOOK SO GOOD. Also, I like Sam's sleepy voice. I must say though, that watching someone act tired when it's late at night ad you've already watched a movie, a sitcom, and part of another drama (my friend showed me Jay Baruchel's scenes in this past week's Being Human) makes it VERY hard to resist sleepyness yourself.

(Also - Asian Cop! Woo! Diversity!)

I was surprised when they got their hands on the shoes so quickly...(you gotta love convenient plot points of it being Bring-Your-Daughter-To-The-Evidence-Locker Day)....I loved the poor girl kicking Dean in the face and saying "sorry!" so many times.

But yeah, once they got the shoes, I was wondering where the story would go. They know how to destroy (or trap) a cursed object by now....

But I loved the fact that Dean touched them and we got to joke around about that. I'm actually glad that they didn't go the route of actually having Dean dance - I mean geez, the man has to preserve some dignity, and they already made him where those plum smugglers in S4.

Anyway, I've gotten distracted again....

I thought it was an interesting idea for the set up - what happens to a hunter's curse box stash when they die? It's also interesting that Scott's mother worked out of an antique shop her whole life and Scott just thought she was a cook. It goes to show that there are varying degrees of being a "hunter" where you can have a somewhat normal life...I saw "somewhat normal" because she DID end up getting killed by a leviathan, but then, so did a lot of people who weren't hunters at all.

Whenever I watch shows, I always see something like the real estate lady talking to the cigar smoking man and I think "that's going to be important later!" and then I promptly forget all about it. :P

I couldn't watch the tea-kettle death.

Also, um, antique shops, in my experience, do not keep records of customer addresses....so, yeah...is that a US thing or is that just convenient writing?

Vintage Gentleman's Magazine sold to Mr. Yankit on Johnson St? S7 is the season of dick-jokes. 

I love how Sam just storms into the house and takes their gramophone, and the mother doesn't even say anything...big attractive man in suit can take gramophone, whatever.

And how far out of town did those guys live! SAM, DO NOT DRIVE WHEN YOU ARE SLEEPY!

Seriously, I was cringing when Sam was falling asleep at the wheel....it's the most horrible thing. I've actually done it once myself, thankfully I drifted right and the rumble-strip woke me up...but geez, it's an easy way to die and take people along with you.

I kind of think Dean should have been more freaked out about how sleepy Sam sounded on the phone. If any of my friends or family called me and sounded that sleepy and I knew they were just outside of town, I would be like "Pull over! I will come meet you!" and then I would pay a taxi to take me to them or something.

But Dean has stumbled onto Leviathans...so, I guess he's distracted too.

The real-estate lady was really good! She looked very familiar (as did Scott). But yeah, I really liked that actress...and poor George, who is the first Leviathan that I've actually felt somewhat sorry for...but we'll get to him.

And the Leviathans all know what Sam and Dean Winchester look like...I suppose that isn't surprising, but given how many Leviathans there seem to be, I'm surprised they haven't run into more of them.

I did my Admiral Ackbar "It's a trap!" when Scott called about the mirror....but Sam and Dean did not listen to me. They went in without borax.

Oh also, technically, that coat of Dean's was ruined in S6. Once again, the Winchesters turn out to be amazing tailors.

But then GEORGE! He HELPS them. I did not see that coming, though I suppose I should have...there's always a lesson about not treating your employees like shit. If I were them, I would have let George eat the real-estate-lady Leviathan to make sure she was dead, and THEN I would have killed George....

The real question though is: What are the Leviathans up to? Curing cancer? I'm with Dean, I find it creepy. My friend was guessing "less disease, more food?" ...I mean, we are like cattle to them right?

And then...FRANK! Oh man...we get the adorable line of Dean telling us that Sam always falls asleep to the soft rock stations...and then as soon as Bad Moon Rising came on, I was like "oh no...something bad is about to happen" ...even though on the outside I was all :D *sings along* :D

And they pulled up to Frank's and my friend was like "Maybe he left?" and I was like "No, he's dead." And geez............I hate being right. Well, technically there wasn't a body, but really...

That being said, the Leviathans could have REALLY messed up the Winchesters if they had killed Frank and then REPLACED him.

So, what do you think the Leviathans are up to?



In other news: I have friends coming to visit next week (they arrive Wednesday). I do not know how long they are staying, but we might be going away for the weekend...which means that I'll probably be missing next week's Supernatural. I know - I'm missing like THE EPISODE NOT TO MISS...but, that's the way the cookie crumbles. Anyway, if I can watch it, I will, but if I'm not around next Friday, that's why. I'll of course watch the episode as soon as I can and post something, but I can make no guarantees about when that will happen.



 

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cordelia_gray
Mar. 17th, 2012 08:20 am (UTC)
technically there wasn't a body

I assumed they ate him /o\

Yeah, there was a slightly weird dynamic where Sam was trying to be totally honest with Dean about his mental health and Dean was kind of ignoring it? IDK. I think he really, really wants Sam to be OK, because nothing else is, and he's ignoring all evidence to the contrary.

Joy and George were hilarious. And I loved their reaction to seeing Sam! "No, you do not get to eat Sam Winchester. _I_ do."

Glad to hear that Doppelganger Paul was good! I know some people who worked on it, were hoping to see it this weekend.
hells_half_acre
Mar. 17th, 2012 08:25 am (UTC)
Awesome. I REALLY enjoyed Doppelganger Paul, so I hope you do to. I mean, it's weird - but it's the good kind of weird. ;)

And yeah, I'm assuming they ate Frank too...but you know how people are, if there's no body and we didn't see it happen, there's always going to be speculation (sometimes even if there IS a body and we DID see it happen, there's speculation).

I really thought the actress who played Joy was great. She had a lot of weight to carry in that role and she did it splendidly. I was almost sad to see her go.

And YES, that's exactly what it was with Dean and Sam...Sam was trying to point out the seriousness of his situation, but I think Dean is still in the denial stage - like, Sam's just having a bad couple days, and it'll sort itself out, nothing to worry about...which is why I think Sam should have said "oh by the way, I nearly just got killed by a semi-truck for the second time in my life...I really need you to realize that I'm in serious trouble here."...but, I guess that's for next week...which I'm going to miss.
samantha890
Mar. 17th, 2012 08:37 am (UTC)
I also liked Joy! She was quite awesome! Really awesome, actually. :D Why did they have to kill her? I was getting attached... I liked George too, I knew he was going to help them! I kind of hope they didn't kill him and he joins forces with them... like eat all the leviathans they kill to ensure they stay dead or something. but yeah, I'm with you on that one - would let him eat the lady then kill him. Also liked the shop-owner guy! He was funny. I didn't even think that his mom was a hunter... Did they say that? Or is it obvious? I'm really tired, haven't been sleeping right myself and watching Sam act tired got me even more tired, so it won't be surprising if they spelled it out for me and I missed it. :/

And Frank! Yeah, they would have messed the Winchesters up real bad if they replaced Frank...

Seriously, though. Cure cancer? ... What?

I legit freaked out during the Sam car scene. I thought he was gonna crash and I almost cried, and my heartbeat was getting higher and higher and it just. Freaked me the hell out. It was weird how little Dean was freaked out but then the soft rock comment was full of love and Sam's cute little smile! <333
hells_half_acre
Mar. 17th, 2012 08:43 am (UTC)
Yeah, I agree about Joy! So good. I doubt George would cooperate that long - but yeah, that'd be really cool if they could actually get a Leviathan to destroy Leviathans.

They never said that his mother was a hunter - so don't worry, you aren't THAT addled from sleep-deprivation. That was my own assumption - obviously she knew enough about the supernatural to know how to store (and make?) curse boxes as well as identify (and retrieve?) cursed-objects.

I really couldn't look during the Sam car scene...same thing as you, my heartbeat was just getting higher and higher...it was like a slow-motion train wreck, only thankfully the train wreck never happened.

I love that soft rock comment. It does show that Dean is TRYING to look after his little brother, he just doesn't realize the severity of the situation right now.
raloria
Mar. 17th, 2012 08:38 am (UTC)
Loved them in the long coats, though we really didn't see them enough.

I too, was so worried about Sam falling asleep at the wheel! That was close! And Dean should've been a little more concerned, but then we saw the close call via Semi and he didn't. I'm sure he's talked to a sleepy Sam on the phone before, so maybe he thought little bro had things under control like he said at the top of the eppy?

Yep, I agree....curing cancer = making their food source healthy. With the turducken burgers thru Biggersons they're fattening the turkeys (us). Makes sense they'd want those turkeys to be healthy.

The second I heard that song I knew something bad was gonna happen. Show knows us so well. *g* Funny how there was no body, but maybe Frank was eaten? Honestly, I won't miss Frank too much. It's not like he was all buddy-buddy with the boys. He was just a resource. Now I'm worried about Sheriff Mills. She literally is the last thread the boys have. *clutches her*

Hope you get to watch the ep next week. It does look epic! Poor boys!!!
hells_half_acre
Mar. 17th, 2012 08:48 am (UTC)
I'm sure he's talked to a sleepy Sam on the phone before, so maybe he thought little bro had things under control like he said at the top of the eppy?

Good point. They've both stayed up around the clock before.

Yep, I agree....curing cancer = making their food source healthy. With the turducken burgers thru Biggersons they're fattening the turkeys (us). Makes sense they'd want those turkeys to be healthy.

Indeed indeed - we are on the same page then! I couldn't think of another reason.

Funny how there was no body, but maybe Frank was eaten? Honestly, I won't miss Frank too much. It's not like he was all buddy-buddy with the boys. He was just a resource. Now I'm worried about Sheriff Mills. She literally is the last thread the boys have. *clutches her*

*clutches her too* Oh man! Now I'm super worried too! And yeah, I'm not emotionally upset about Frank's death...I'm concerned for the boys losing one of their precious few resources, but yeah, Frank was fun, but there wasn't an emotional bond with the boys at all.

And yes, I think he was eaten...though, I suppose we'll never have proof unless a Leviathan confesses to it.

Oh man, I REALLY want to find a way to watch next week's eppy...maybe if we aren't out of town somewhere, I can at least download and watch it - maybe I won't have time to write about it, but I'll be going insane with anticipation, I just know it.
borgmama1of5
Mar. 17th, 2012 09:35 am (UTC)
Sam falling asleep at the wheel was terrifying because it was such a mundane way to almost-die...

I am having a hard time with getting on board with Sam fighting Luci in his head. I wish the show had thrown in some voice-overs by Mark Pelligrino--in fact they could have done that all season, things we and Sam could hear so that the audience would feel more of the disorientation Sam is supposed to be feeling. Missed dramatic opportunity IMO.

And the loss of Frank wasn't shocking to me so much the loss of a friend as much as the major loss of their resource person (even if he made Dean nuts.)
hells_half_acre
Mar. 17th, 2012 07:47 pm (UTC)
I agree about how it would have been better for the show to have emphasized Sam's struggles more. I think Jared has done a great job with the direction he's been given, but I would have preferred more of this and less of pretending that it wasn't a ticking time bomb at all.
monicawoe
Mar. 17th, 2012 11:33 am (UTC)
I love how Sam just storms into the house and takes their gramophone, and the mother doesn't even say anything...big attractive man in suit can take gramophone, whatever.
LOL true!

I enjoyed this episode quite a bit - it kept making me think of that old late-eighties "Friday the 13th" television show about the store that had the vault of cursed objects in the back.
hells_half_acre
Mar. 17th, 2012 07:48 pm (UTC)
Neat! :)
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hells_half_acre
Mar. 17th, 2012 07:51 pm (UTC)
But I think they haven't yet, because they are securing their food source and establishing themselves in society. I don't think they view the Winchesters as a big threat. I think not passing as human was a bigger first threat. Now they are established and we may see more Leviathans. I hope. It's about time.

I hope you are correct about this! :)

HA! We had soulless Sam last season, now we have sleepless Sam.

Haha! Nice.

It all makes me want to tuck Sam into a nice warm bed, with some anti-psychotics while Dean figures out if this is all Supernatural or natural. I hope the haunting by Lucifer is Supernatural. Might mean an easier fix for Dean to figure out.

I'm the opposite. I kind of want the "haunting" to truly be psychosis...I know that makes it hard to fix, but I guess that's why I want it. I want there to be real hard consequences from spending god-knows-how-many years in the Cage. I'm not saying that I don't want Sam to get better - and maybe the solution (like the original Wall of Sam) can be Supernatural, but I want the problem to be natural.
marlowe78
Mar. 17th, 2012 04:06 pm (UTC)
Hey there!

I liked this episode a LOT. My friend said she was missing something, though she couldn't name it, but for me, it was all that I wanted in SPN.
Gore, fun, threads, kicks-to-the-face, some more points towards the big bad, some more points towards mental issues ... yepp, that's all I ask for :-)

I think that's healthy. I also think Dean's "did you try the hand thing?" was worthy of a "are you a complete idiot" glare, but you know, that's me. :P
Oh, yes, indeed! But I also think that Dean asking such an obvious question shows that he just doesn't know what to do with that information. It's not that he can do much about Sam not sleeping, right? Only possibility would be drugging him, but would that be a good thing? I mean, if Lucifer is screaming in his head, trapping him in that nightmare would for sure be a crappy move. And maybe he offered and Sam refused ?
So that line fits perfectly, and yes, it's absolutely worth a glare!

About the shoes:
One question I have from this, and you as the timeline-person would probably have an answer (or, if not, it's gonna make you crazy):
Is it possible for Dean to have watched "Black Swan" twice, without Sam knowing? I mean, it'd be kinda obvious if he went to the movies, and watching it on TV I guess isn't possible yet (as it being rather new movie), also, watching it on the net would probably get noticed by Sam, right?? - or maybe he watched it in the year that wasn't?

*headscratch*

The real-estate lady was really good! She looked very familiar (as did Scott). But yeah, I really liked that actress...and poor George, who is the first Leviathan that I've actually felt somewhat sorry for...but we'll get to him.

I think this episode, the guest-actors were BRILLIANT. I loved George - really, I did - and that poor antique-guy (he could give Sam a run for tiredness) and that Bickley-woman! All were wonderful actors - as was the ballarina-girl who kicked Dean!

If I were them, I would have let George eat the real-estate-lady Leviathan to make sure she was dead, and THEN I would have killed George....
Yes, totally! Maybe they did? I sure hope they did kill George, one way or another. (and I LOVED the line of Bickley telling George that he canNOT eat Sam Winchester - because if anyone eats a Winchester, it's her :D )

Have fun with your friends!

Edited at 2012-03-17 04:14 pm (UTC)
hells_half_acre
Mar. 17th, 2012 07:44 pm (UTC)
My friend said she was missing something, though she couldn't name it, but for me, it was all that I wanted in SPN.

Me too. :)

But I also think that Dean asking such an obvious question shows that he just doesn't know what to do with that information. It's not that he can do much about Sam not sleeping, right?

True, I think Dean is out of his depth when it comes to mental health issues.

Is it possible for Dean to have watched "Black Swan" twice, without Sam knowing? I mean, it'd be kinda obvious if he went to the movies, and watching it on TV I guess isn't possible yet (as it being rather new movie), also, watching it on the net would probably get noticed by Sam, right?? - or maybe he watched it in the year that wasn't?

Yes, he would have watched it in the Year That Wasn't...alternatively, he could have watched it in S6, maybe when Sam was soulless? I mean, Dean had to be occupying his time somehow while Sam was sleeping with all those ladies...mind you, the movie would have come out just before Dean got Sam's soul back. Basically, you can choose either one, since December 2010 repeated twice in the show.

I think this episode, the guest-actors were BRILLIANT.

Agreed!

Have fun with your friends!

Thanks!
katsheswims
Mar. 17th, 2012 05:00 pm (UTC)
The leviathans probably didn't know Frank was working with the Winchesters. They probably just found him because he was hacking so much into their business, so they wouldn't have thought of replacing him.

I had a lot of the same thoughts/reactions as you (as usual!).

hells_half_acre
Mar. 17th, 2012 07:52 pm (UTC)
The leviathans probably didn't know Frank was working with the Winchesters.

Oh man! Good point!
4422shini
Mar. 17th, 2012 08:02 pm (UTC)
As soon as CCR started, I was like, "OMG THE BAD OMEN SONG!!"

Is that snowy lake in Fort Langley? I assumed it was Deer Lake Park in Burnaby, but it's pretty rare for Burnaby to have that much of a snow dump.
hells_half_acre
Mar. 17th, 2012 08:17 pm (UTC)
It's the river in Fort Langley. I guess they would have been filming this in late January/early February?
4422shini
Mar. 18th, 2012 07:12 am (UTC)
yeah there was a bit of snow then. i remember because it fucked up primary's continuity.
hells_half_acre
Mar. 18th, 2012 07:13 am (UTC)
Oh yeah...I remember now. :P Crazyness.
galwithglasses
Mar. 18th, 2012 03:54 am (UTC)
Are the Leviathans like shifters in that they get the thoughts of the person they shift to? If so, when they ate Frank, I think they got all his knowledge of what he knew and what he'd communicated with the boys. Maybe Frank was paranoid enough that he backed up all his Leviathan research in some undisclosed location that the boys can get to. I think a Frankathan would have been a cool plot twist.

I loved the face whack, sorry scene.

Poor sleepless Sam, but the devil singing Stairway to Heaven is pretty funny in an ironic sort of way.
hells_half_acre
Mar. 18th, 2012 04:07 am (UTC)
Hmm...good point about the thoughts thing! From what we've seen, they DO get the thoughts of the people they shift into. Now the question is, do they have to shift into that person? What happens if they JUST eat them? If they did get Frank's thoughts, than they would have known he was working with the Winchesters...in which case, I still think it would have done them a better service to pose as Frank and get the Winchesters that way.

Poor Sam indeed...but yeah, that was a particularly amusing song choice. ;)
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