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Rewatch S6: Family Matters (6.07)

Woo! After a week hiatus - let's get back to rewatching S6, shall we?

From the title, I can never remember what happens in this episode - but it's the Alpha Vamp episode! I like that dude.

I love the way this episode starts - with the blurry Sam POV. 

Cas: "Has he been feverish?"
Dean: "Answer him"
Sam: "No, why?"
Cas: "Has he been speaking in tongues? Have you been speaking in tongues?" 
Sam: "No! What...Are you...diagnosing me?"
- I love Cas diagnosing Sam. Castiel M.D. spin-off? Anyone, anyone? Bueller?

"You think that there's a clinic out there for people who just pop out of hell wrong?"
-I think the Winchesters have this problem for a lot of things. They really do live an isolated life with absolutely no social support. It's no wonder they cling to each other so fiercely.

"How much do you sleep?"
"I don't."
"At all?"
"Not since I got back."
- Now technically, this would kill a person - but I kind of like how they link sleeping with the soul in Supernatural...like dreams are actually products of your soul, not your mind.

*Cas takes off belt*
"Whoa what?"
"This will be unpleasant. Bite down on this. If there's a place that you find soothing, you should go there...in your mind."
- SOUL-FISTING! Hahaha...oh, that joke was done to death after this episode.
- Cas now has Sam's teeth marks in his belt - unless his abilities to repair his trenchcoat extend to leather-repair as well. (or probably fake-leather repair).

"Physically he's perfectly healthy."
"Then what?"
"It's his soul. It's gone."
- And inside Cas must be like "oh, shit. DEFINITELY can't tell them it was me who raised Sam now."

"I'm sorry, one more time - like I'm five - what do you mean he's got no-"
"Somehow when Sam was resurrected, it was without his soul."
"So where is it?"
"My guess is still in the cage with Michael and Lucifer."
"So is he even still Sam?"
"You pose an interesting philosophical question."
- I like how the show never makes a direct statement one way or the other about this - is it Sam? Is it not Sam? Even when Sam gets his soul back, Dean and Sam disagree on whether or not his soulless actions could be considered his actions. I believe at the time I related it to someone going insane to the point where their personality changed. Are they still the person you love, if they no longer act or have the personality of the person you loved? If you married a sweet man who became a raging alcoholic 5 years later...is that still the man you married? Less drastically, of course, we ALL change over time. The cells in our body completely replace themselves every 10 years or so...our likes and dislikes change with experience, or opinions change with knowledge/experience...are we still the same people we were when we were 10? 20? 30? Of course, Supernatural is talking about the soul, which is a belief, not a scientific fact - but what the soul represents is that essential "essence" that makes you who you are - so if you were to remove that essential "essence" are you still you? I wrote a bad poem about it once when I was of an age where bad poetry was an acceptable outlet for all my FEELINGS. I concluded:
And if one day you turn
And cease to exist
I'll still love the body
That drove me to this.

"Well, just get it back."
"Dean"
"You pulled me out."
"It took several angels to rescue you and you weren't nearly as well guarded. Sam's soul is in Lucifer's cage. There's a difference a big difference. It's not possible."
-Why isn't it possible? Castiel tried to get Sam out himself before, when he was high on confidence? Is it not possible because he realized now that he messed up? Is it not possible because he realizes that it might be too late to save Sam's soul - that Sam is irreparably broken? Is it not possible simply because Castiel is empty of confidence? Too busy trying to hold his own against Raphael's forces?  

"I'm sorry. It won't ever happen again. Please let me go."
"You gotta be kidding me."
- I love how completely insincere Sam is when he apologizes. Like he's not even trying to display emotion anymore now that Dean knows he can't...only, he still tries the puppy-eyes, but they are horribly insincere and...man, basically, I'm saying that I love Jared's acting, really.

"You're not going to hold me Dean, not here, not in the panic room. You're stuck with the soulless guy, so you might as well work with me. Let's fix this."
-I like how Sam mentions the panic room - knowing already that it's become Dean's go to thing for locking Sam up.

Off to check on Grampa's soul...Sam's got a new coat. I like it. It's looks suede, but I think it's canvas. It also looks like a possible Carhardtt, but I don't see a label.

"We've been over this."
"Well recap it for our wingman."
"This Castiel?"
"You're scrawnier than I pictured."
"This is a vessel. My true form is approximately the size of your Chrysler Buidling."
"Alright, quit bragging."
- I love Dean's face when Gramps says that Castiel is scrawny. Seriously, look at it sometime. It's awesome. Jensen has the best reactions.
- Also, I love that angels are MASSIVE.

"You're a hell of a hunter Sam, but truth is - sometimes you scare me."
-I really do wish that Samuel and Sam could have met under different circumstances. I don't think they would have gotten along AT ALL, but it would have been not getting along in a different way.

"You better tear the attic up, find some way to help Sam."
"Of course, your problems always come first. I'll be in touch."
And so it begins... Cas only comes to Dean when Cas needs something from him, and Dean has too much on his mind already to realize that something is horribly wrong with Castiel too...also, Dean doesn't have the experience with Castiel yet to know when he should push, and when he should lay off...so he just lays off, and yeah... Friendships are hard to manage sometimes. Which reminds me, I haven't spoken to a friend of mine for 2 months, I really should try to IM him.

Sam: "When's the run?"
Samuel: "Dawn"
Sam: "You didn't call me! Why?"
Dean: "Because of me. You don't trust me very much do you? Especially when it comes to big game like this."
...
Samuel: "I don't KNOW you. Not like I know Sam."
- Samuel is making the distinction between family and trust first here. He doesn't know Dean. It's not the automatic thing that Soulless!Sam seems to think it should be with family. Also, as we find out later, Sam's already warned Samuel that Dean shouldn't be told about the capturing and torture - so of course Samuel isn't going to want him on the hunt. He knows Sam follows orders without question, but Dean is a whole other ballgame.

"But this is your deal, ok, I get it. I'll follow your lead. I trust you...
*goes outside*
...I don't trust him. Dude's hiding something."
- I love Sam's reaction here. "OMG, you were lying!" Hahaha

"Huh"
"What?"
"Just, you, saying you don't trust family."
-Again, as I said above, family =/= trust. It's funny the things that stick in Soulless!Sam's mind. I guess it's like Dean says - he has no instinct. He has rules. Family=Trust, Dean=Important.

Christian and Dean...someone asked at the Vancouver convention whether Christian and Dean would have gotten along if Christian hadn't been possessed - but the thing of it is that demon!Christian had to go MONTHS without a legion of hunters knowing that he was a demon. So, basically, he had to act like Christian would act. So, I think demon or no demon, Christian and Dean would have butted heads just as much.

"I'm in the rear with the reject?"
-Oh Gwen, you always went back and forth on whether we should like you or dislike you...which was interesting. It's a shame you get shot in the noggin.

"Nothing is fine. You're not fine."
- I love how this basically sums up Dean's life. Question: Is Dean's life fine? Answer: What condition is Sam in? Good=Fine. Bad=Not fine. :P

Then there's that random unknown female hunter who calls for Dean before she's killed by vampires...who was she? I guess Dean went around the crew and introduced himself the night before.

"Where is he? Want to pay my last respects."
"Well, bring marshmellows - already on the pyre."
- Ok, this is a crappy lie, because have you ever seen a pyre? Have you ever smelled burning flesh? There is no way that Dean would just accept this lie and be like "wow, must be some stealthy pyre! There's not even smoke!" It's ridiculous.

"Grill? Torture, right? And not telling me, that was his idea?"
"No, it was mine."
"Why?" 
"Honestly, because you'd mess it up. You shoot first, ask questions later and we needed to ask questions."
- Again, Dean's face when he asks "why?" I love it. It's very much a "we've been over this. When are you going to learn not to keep secrets from me?"

"I don't care if you have soullessness or the frickin' mumps, man. You KNOW better than this...."
- I love how Dean compares Soullessness to a disease. 

"And did it ever occur to you that this is REALLY shady!"
"He's our grandfather."
"...you can't assume that familly means the same thing to him as it does to us. He's not Dad."
- Again, the family theme of the season. Family is a choice, not automatic...and family doesn't mean the same to everyone. Dean and Samuel know this, but Sam, without instincts, is still going by the old rules.

"Hey"
"You didn't think I'd come back."
"I figured 60/40."
- I just love this bit.

Deadman's blood on a door isn't going to do much against vampires...it's not even on the knob. I mean, when I open doors, I don't tend to rub open wounds cross them first or anything...I'm just saying.

"Ouch. Stop. That hurts."
"Now this. This is club med compared to what we have planned for you."
- I love how it's so obvious that Samuel has no idea how to effectively torture the alpha vamp.

"Are you two going to hide all night. Come on out boys."
-Yes, hide from the vampire just outside the door - even though vampires have super hearing and can hear a heart beat from a block away.

"I didn't realize we were on a first name basis"
"Of course we are. After all, you were my child for a time..."
-Family again! 

"When your kind first huddled around the fire, I was the thing in the dark!"
-Awesome line.

"But if you're the first, who made you?"
"Well, we all have our mothers, even me."
- And who made her? We're going to be here all night, folks.
-No seriously though, this is the first mention what what will become Eve - and I love the tease of it.

"You smell cold. You have no soul. What an oddity, do you feel how empty you are?..."
- I love how all this time and the Alpha Vamp just KNOWS. Could have saved Sam a beating and an angel-soul-fisting.

"Purgatory."
"Purgatory? Purgatory's real?"
"Stupid cattle...."
- I also love how the Alpha Vamp calls them cattle. I think to me they're more like moose...you know, something you have to hunt, rather than something you can pen in. Oh man, I didn't even mean to say moose because of the whole Sam/Jared=Moose thing. It's just that moose is popular game in Canada that is not domesticated. I was going to say rabbits, but I've actually been to a rabbit farm before, so that wouldn't work.

"Why does Samuel care about any of this?"
"He doesn't. He does as he is told."
- DUN DUN DUN!

"Whatever you're doing, whatever you're hiding, it's going to put you and everyone around you in the ground."
-Dean is not wrong.

"We take the things head off or it kills us all, you know that! Ok, we split up - clear every room. You get a shot you take it - it's not going to kill him, but dude will move a lot slower without any kneecaps - and if we make it through this, you, me, and Sam are having one hell of a family meeting."
- I love this scene because Dean effectively, in three sentences, takes over as leader for the entire operation.
- I also think that last sentence is important - at this point, Dean hadn't written Samuel off completely. He was still willing to help him. At least, that's what I believe. 

Ah, the classic "alone shots" of Christian....you gonna die, son.

"Boy with no soul, I got big plans for you. It's amazing how a pesky little soul gets in the way - but not for you. You will be the perfect little animal."
- Mmm...perfect Samimal....

CROWLEY! Mark Sheppard is awesome. I love the fact that he asked that his name not appear in the credits so that he was a complete surprise.

"Since when do you give a crap about vampires?"
"Since, uh, what is today, friday? Since, let's see...mind your business."
- I want to use that line someday "Since...mind your business!"

"...Location location location. I'm a developer. Purgatory is vast, underutilized and hell-adjacent, and I want it."
- I get a frustrated kick out of fandom sometimes, because they tend to BELIEVE characters. Mind you, I'm guilty of the same thing - I did believe that Crowley could get Sam's soul back after all.

"Yeah, well, game's over."
"Yeah well, 'fraid not. Not if you want to see Sam's soul ever again."
"You're bluffing."
"Tell them, Samuel."
"He pulled us both back, me and Sam."
-Ah ha! NOW I understand why Castiel never told Sam and Dean that he pulled him back. Ok, well, I still don't understand why he didn't tell Sam THE VERY MOMENT he raised him. But I understand why he didn't tell them after the deal with Crowley - because Crowley probably wanted something that he could use as leverage against the boys, should they ever find out that Samuel was working for him. So, well played. Still, I think it's odd that Castiel didn't tell Sam BEFORE that.

"It's time to go. Get the van."
"You're letting a demon call the shots?"
"...you trust me or not? Get the van, Gwen."
-Again, Gwen...could have been a more interesting character. This is obviously going against her morals, and yet she remains...why? Is it loyalty to family? Is it something else?

"So what's so important that you're the kings cabana boy, huh? What did he offer you? girls? money? hair?"
"I got my reasons."
-Another thing I don't understand is why Samuel didn't just tell the boys about Crowley saying he could get their mum back. I mean, it's their MUM. But I guess Dean would argue that he and Sam had been down that road before, and what is dead should stay dead - even if you love them...but still...

"You boys, you're my family. So the way I see it, you've got two choices - put a bullet in your grandfather or step aside."
*Sam pulls gun. Dean stops him*
"He sold us out."
"I know. Let him go."
"Why?"
*to Samuel* "Get out of here."
- And, just like that one of Sam's rules change. Family =/= trust. 
- Also, further proof that at this point, Samuel could still mend fences with Dean....that Dean was still willing to give him a chance.

"You with me, Dean?"  
- Sam is so goddamn sexy when he says this. I am with you, Sam. I don't even care that you sort of look evil - it's a damn sexy evil.

Yay! Ok, I've gotta take off to a cafe and kill a few hours soon...so, until next time...or tomorrow night's new episode, whichever comes first!

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dairygirl
Oct. 14th, 2011 02:37 am (UTC)
I have a question about the soul detection. In Season Six, Castiel had to perform major bodily invasion to detect souls like in this episode, but in Season Five (e.g., My Bloody Valentine), Castiel could just rest his hand on the person's (okay, corpse's) chest and state the soul is intact. What is the reason for this difference?
hells_half_acre
Oct. 14th, 2011 03:47 am (UTC)
Good question. :P
katsheswims
Oct. 14th, 2011 03:51 am (UTC)
The only thing I can guess is that it was different because it was a corpse-not an alive person. Maybe the soul was closer to the surface of the body-because it was leaving it's earthly body behind-so Castiel could feel it easier?

(Or the writers just wanted to go for something flashier when they made the soul a main theme of S6.)
hells_half_acre
Oct. 14th, 2011 03:55 am (UTC)
Ooo...that's a good explanation! I have a feeling it was the latter reason, but I like your logic with giving a more universe-is-consistent reason.
katsheswims
Oct. 14th, 2011 03:52 am (UTC)
I love these recaps.

My favorite part of that episode was the last thing you talked about with Sam getting his gun out and Dean casually making him put it down.
hells_half_acre
Oct. 14th, 2011 03:56 am (UTC)
Yeah, I loved that too - just the casualness of it all. Done brilliantly. :)

I'm glad you like my recaps!
percysowner
Oct. 14th, 2011 05:25 am (UTC)
"Well, just get it back."
"Dean"
"You pulled me out."
"It took several angels to rescue you and you weren't nearly as well guarded. Sam's soul is in Lucifer's cage. There's a difference a big difference. It's not possible."

-Why isn't it possible? Castiel tried to get Sam out himself before, when he was high on confidence? Is it not possible because he realized now that he messed up? Is it not possible because he realizes that it might be too late to save Sam's soul - that Sam is irreparably broken? Is it not possible simply because Castiel is empty of confidence? Too busy trying to hold his own against Raphael's forces?


I suspect that one reason it was not possible is that in the year that Sam was soulless, he became a valuable piece of Castiel's search for Purgatory and the souls. It was also an inconvenient to take the time and make the effort to get to Sam's soul. When Castiel first raised Sam, he wasn't in the war with Raphael. Now he is. It's far easier to say "it's not possible" than "I don't choose to make the effort".

Christian and Dean...someone asked at the Vancouver convention whether Christian and Dean would have gotten along if Christian hadn't been possessed - but the thing of it is that demon!Christian had to go MONTHS without a legion of hunters knowing that he was a demon. So, basically, he had to act like Christian would act. So, I think demon or no demon, Christian and Dean would have butted heads just as much.

I'm really unsure about Christian. Samuel pulled all the cousins together after his resurrection. Although you are right that Christian had to act as if he weren't a demon, he didn't have to act like CHRISTIAN. The inference in the pilot was that the cousin's didn't know each other before and the several of them were possessed, not just Christian. It is hard to tell if anyone knew Christian well enough to know if he was behaving like himself or not.

I will admit that I am not a fan of Castiel. I thought he was dicey from season four on. I also thought that since The Man Who Would Be King was told completely from his POV AND he was trying to get his father to approve of his actions, that Cas probably sugarcoated some of what he did. I'm not certain that he didn't at least suspect that Sam came out very wrong. I also tend to think that once he paid attention to Sam he would have been able to sense that Sam's soul was gone. I always took the soulfisting as being for show, in order to convince Dean that he knew nothing, nothing about Sam's botched resurrection and that he could not have known how badly things were botched until he felt around inside Sam. In season 5 Cas was already a half powered angel and he was able to detect where a soul was just by running his hand over a body and he also could sense that the soul was moved into the suitcase, just by being in the same room. I find it very unlikely that once he knew something was wrong with Sam that Cas couldn't feel that Sam was soulless without invading Sam's body and causing him pain. However, if he admitted to being able to sense the loss of Sam's soul, that would raise a host of questions about why he didn't notice the first time he saw Sam in The Third Man. Soulfisting provided cover for Cas's actions.




hells_half_acre
Oct. 14th, 2011 05:35 am (UTC)
When Castiel first raised Sam, he wasn't in the war with Raphael. Now he is. It's far easier to say "it's not possible" than "I don't choose to make the effort".

Very true. It's a more cynical take on Cas, but then, in this season that take is probably very warranted.

The inference in the pilot was that the cousin's didn't know each other before and the several of them were possessed, not just Christian. It is hard to tell if anyone knew Christian well enough to know if he was behaving like himself or not.

Hmm, good point. I mean, I thought the cousins DID know each other, but now I realize that was just an assumption I made - and it could very well be like you said. Samuel gathered them together for sure...so therefore they may not have known each other, and we may never know what Christian was actually like.

I'm not certain that he didn't at least suspect that Sam came out very wrong. I also tend to think that once he paid attention to Sam he would have been able to sense that Sam's soul was gone. I always took the soulfisting as being for show, in order to convince Dean that he knew nothing, nothing about Sam's botched resurrection and that he could not have known how badly things were botched until he felt around inside Sam.

Again, interesting take. I'm not going to argue, because I think when it comes to this stuff, it's very subjective interpretation. It's true that we only have Cas's version of the tale...and even then he admits that he should have known something was horribly wrong with Sam when he didn't go to Dean once he was resurrected.

In any case, Cas is definitely trying to cover his tracks in this season - so absolutely everything he says has to be viewed as a possible lie.
franztastisch
Oct. 14th, 2011 02:38 pm (UTC)
"How much do you sleep?"
"I don't."
"At all?"
"Not since I got back."


This is the one thing that I think was weird with the whole no soul thing. I read somewhere that the idea of Soulless!Sam was what he was following his basic instinct (i.e. why it was that he did the very un-Sam thing os FUCKING EVERY GIRL) and I like your idea of Sam following basic rules (Dean = Important, Family = trust). But that being said, sleep is a basic instinct. You sleep when you're tired. As such, surely soulless!Sam should sleep?

But anyway... this was one of the episodes of S6 that I really liked! And you're right, Gwen should have got longer on the show. She was interesting and I think she would have got on with Dean and Sam if they'd met under different circumstances. Not like buddy-buddy, but well enough.

Oh and CROWLEY. :D :D :D
hells_half_acre
Oct. 14th, 2011 05:11 pm (UTC)
Well, I think this is a case where they go against science or logic. I mean, of COURSE sleep is a basic necessity of life. If someone really didn't sleep for a year, they would be dead or insane or both.

It seems in the Supernatural universe though - your body doesn't get tired, only your soul does...so you can just go and go without a soul. Yeah, it doesn't make scientific sense at all - but hey, centaurs are physiologically impossible too and we never bat an eye when they show up in fantasy books.

I think all my episodes from this season happened in the second half - though, perhaps not...since I'm really looking forward to Clap Hands. ;)

You know, one of these days they're going to have to kill Crowley, there will be just as much of a revolt as there was when they threatened to kill Cas. :P
franztastisch
Oct. 14th, 2011 05:27 pm (UTC)
Yeah I get that, but I just think... well never mind. It's not like it makes a difference and it's not my biggest sticking point with S6 so we'll jst leave it. :P

My favourite, I think, is ...And Then There Were None. And I live Caged Heat. And Like A Virgin (for obvious reasons.)

THERE SO WILL. In fact, he might be in that very very small class of characters where I'd prefer Cas' death to theirs. (The other being Bobby, and Sam and Dean obviously.) BUT SHH..! DON'T TELL.
hells_half_acre
Oct. 14th, 2011 05:30 pm (UTC)
Yeah, don't tell anyone, but I actually don't MIND the thought of Cas dying. I'm fine if he sticks around too, of course - but I really don't care one way or the other.

I really like Like a Virgin. :) I'm looking forward to that one too.
franztastisch
Oct. 14th, 2011 07:27 pm (UTC)
I think that's one of the things that I didn't like about S6. They delt with Cas in such a way that many woudn't mind if he died. But if you'd tried to kill him off at the end of S5 much more people would have gone crazy. I don't understand why they did that with Cas as a character. :(
hells_half_acre
Oct. 14th, 2011 07:33 pm (UTC)
I have my theories, but yeah...I think it was just a decision that was made. Basically: brother conflict drives the show - but there's only so many times that Dean and Sam can find reasons to be in conflict. So, take a secondary character that has become "like" a brother, and have the brother conflict/rescue scenario with him. Though, I guess in that case, we're still supposed to want him to be saved - but again, I have theories that maybe the writers want to ease us into the idea that Cas is not permanent.

I just wrote posted another demented'verse story, btw.
franztastisch
Oct. 14th, 2011 07:37 pm (UTC)
Actually, that makes a huge amount of sense. I think the reason that I didn't like it so much is because Sam and Dean are permanent characters and I didn't like the idea of Cas not becoming one. But yeah, I think you have a point.

I KNOW. :D
harsens_rob
Oct. 14th, 2011 09:44 pm (UTC)
Interesting....
** "You better tear the attic up, find some way to help Sam."
"Of course, you're problems always come first. I'll be in touch."
- And so it begins... Cas only comes to Dean when Cas needs something from him, and Dean has too much on his mind already to realize that something is horribly wrong with Castiel too...also, Dean doesn't have the experience with Castiel yet to know when he should push, and when he should lay off...so he just lays off, and yeah... Friendships are hard to manage sometimes. Which reminds me, I haven't spoken to a friend of mine for 2 months, I really should try to IM him. **

I find this an interesting observation, because rather than observe this myself, I was more annoyed with Dean. It felt to me (I really need to get these DVDs so I can study it more) that Dean is the selfish one. Cas is in a civil war, but he's supposed to continually drop everything in order to do what Dean wants? I see this as more Dean's selfishness than Castiel's only coming to Dean when he wants something....

Interesting.
hells_half_acre
Oct. 14th, 2011 10:09 pm (UTC)
Re: Interesting....
Oh man, I made a typo there - wrong "your"

Anyway...I think it was a mix of both. YES, Dean is an ass - but Castiel is also a bit of one, because when Dean is freaking out about Sam at the beginning of the season, Cas doesn't answer his prayers until he might have found the horn of Gabriel - so, basically, they are both pulling the same shit with each other. Dean should just know better. I mean, Dean does get WAY too wrapped up in Sam to realize that his "other brother" (ie: Castiel) needs him too.
4422shini
Oct. 14th, 2011 09:58 pm (UTC)
Teehee!

One thing I forgot to mention while we were watching the epi (mostly because I was doing this 'BLAHBLAHBLAH' thing), is that there's that moment when Samuel says they've only got a little bit of deadman's blood and the alpha vamp is loose. Yet there's a dead miscellaneous Campbell guy on the floor.... Just how dead does deadman's blood have to be?!

Also, lovely to see you again last night!
hells_half_acre
Oct. 14th, 2011 10:05 pm (UTC)
Haha, very true! Also, if they had so little dead-man's blood, why did they waste some by smearing it on the doors? :P

It was nice to see you too! I hope you enjoy tonight's episode!
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