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There's another article about misogyny in Supernatural that had me all up in arms until it got to the end of the article. Well played author (who happens to be on my flist, I believe). 
 
Although I do still disagree with some of what is said, (they are my standard disagreements - I hate the bechdel test, I think some complaints actually contribute to misogynism rather than lessen it), I DO agree with the concluding message. 
 
It also makes a very good point about the visuals that we are exposed to in advertising. In this case, it's very specifically about advertising for TV shows, but in general advertising is the most misogynistic thing we're exposed to in our day to day lives and TV show ads are no different.
 
UPDATE on Lyric Guessing Game: So far two people are tied for first with 3 songs each. Everyone has successfully guessed the songs for French Mistake and My Heart Will Go On...I'm thinking that I'll have to open it up to "Google-Cheating" at this rate.

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marlowe78
Jun. 14th, 2011 05:48 pm (UTC)
Uh... I was just reading this article you linked, and the comments posted. Is it weird that I'm scared to meet any of these people? (I'm probably save, but who knows)

I'm a woman. I started this show because yes, sorry, I liked the look of the boys. I started out with liking Sam more, but pretty fast I became entranced by the twistedness of Dean's character. What the Hell? It's a show about TWO BROTHERS alone, hunting things and burning monsters. There ARE no women traveling with them (if you discount the Impala, which might be misogynistic to call her a woman...) and the women they meet? Are often victims. Yes, that's probably terrible.

It's still, though, a sad fact. Women get killed, raped, battered and hit more often then men, and why should we deny that, just because some scale (Huh? WTF is that anyway?) says so?

There ARE strong female characters on the show. Actually, the recurring female ones are MOST of them strong, independent and smart. One of the best female characters, I think, is Kathleen Hudak, who if I had to guess was the blueprint for Sheriff Mills. She's tough, smart, passionate and no fool. Then we have Detective from "The Usual Suspects" (What's her name again? Ballard? Or was that the man?) and we got Lisa and Mary (who was anything BUT the cute, little, innocent blond) and Jo and Ellen, and Bela too (who I do mourn a little), and just because they die doesn't make them any less tough!

Rufus died. John died. Gordon died, Hendrickson died, Zacharias died, Gabriel died, Micheal and Adam died, Raffael even gender-switched (and then (s)he died, which might be misogynistic again...) and >Grandpa Campbell died and his nephews died (as did his niece, though) and I could go on, but really, I don't wanna.

And how can anyone who watches the show with open eyes think that Sam and Dean dying is without consequences? The whole fucking SHOW is about the consequence of choice, the consequence of putting one's own life over that of the other. **scratches head**

The ONE thing I'd worry about is the lack of any Asian characters and the focus on the white, attractive persons (gender-neutral, since the same goes for the females- excluding only ONE woman, namely Cassie)

Maybe I completely misunderstood the poster, but I can't agree to much she said. And I'm frowning here, because why is Supernatural a feminist show? I think I missed the point...
marlowe78
Jun. 14th, 2011 05:50 pm (UTC)
Just to make that clear: Cassie was very attractive, just not white.

hells_half_acre
Jun. 14th, 2011 08:02 pm (UTC)
Of course! :)
hells_half_acre
Jun. 14th, 2011 08:02 pm (UTC)
I don't agree with the majority of the article (because I don't believe that Supernatural is misogynistic just because it's a story about two brothers in a male-dominated profession)...

However, what the article is TRYING to say is that although you CAN interpret Supernatural has being misogynistic (if you focus only on half the facts and don't pay attention to characterization and whatnot)...it's still more feminist than the majority of TV (even TV that has a lot of female characters). So, it's actually an article that praises Supernatural for being less misogynistic than shows where females AREN'T killed every week.

Anyway...I just thought it was interesting. Especially the point it made about the visual advertisements being male-dominated, even in cases like Fringe, where the story is centred around a female.

If you're interested. Just the other day someone did a count of female deaths vs. male deaths (and female rescues vs. male rescues) at spn heavymeta. It basically proves the point that Supernatural is an equal opportunity death machine: LINK.

I don't read comments on articles like these, because PEOPLE ARE CRAZY and they make me angry. I mean, not to be misogynistic or anything, but I really think that a lot of the people who complain about misogyny are just being whiny little bitches. ;P

I've also wondered about the lack of Asian characters - especially since the show is filmed in Vancouver, and there has to be a lot of very talented Asian actors available for them to use....and I know it's SET in middle-America, but last time I checked, there were Asians there too. I mean, at the very least they could have Asian actors when they go to the major cities. And yes, there's also a lack of just non-white people in general. I think the majority of the population of the US is black or Hispanic...it would certainly make more sense to have them more represented. (I also my friend's brother-in-law is a black actor in Vancouver, so hey more parts for him please!) Anyway...it's true the major characters have all been white, but they HAVE had one-episode characters that are non-white....and they don't always die. Kali is a good example of someone who was only in one episode, but played an important part, and was non-white (though still attractive, my goodness.)

Ok, now I'm just rambling.
marlowe78
Jun. 14th, 2011 08:35 pm (UTC)
owever, what the article is TRYING to say is that although you CAN interpret Supernatural has being misogynistic (if you focus only on half the facts and don't pay attention to characterization and whatnot)...it's still more feminist than the majority of TV (even TV that has a lot of female characters). So, it's actually an article that praises Supernatural for being less misogynistic than shows where females AREN'T killed every week.

Yeah, that's what I thought first too, because of the last paragraph. But if that's the case, not ONE commenter understood, which once again proved my theory that sometimes, the loudest arguers are the mentally unarmed... *sigh*

I really sometimes have to wince when I see the new female character appear. They are ALL attractive and how odd is that? Considering the surveys I read about, a great deal of Americans are overweight, and though I admit that there are probably not that many unattractive actresses around (due to lack of casting, sadly), I still think we should meet more chubby people on the show. Just, you know, to make it a little less un-probable. Maybe I should write a petition *snickers*

And there is this weird unbalance between Dean's obsession with busty Asians and his choice in bed-companions, who are mostly frilly blond bubble-gum-chicks. Or have been, at least.

Awesome link! I had suspected that it's actually not that bad, if you counted the actual characters and compared them, but it's really interesting to see that it's really a tie-in.

Anyway...I just thought it was interesting. Especially the point it made about the visual advertisements being male-dominated, even in cases like Fringe, where the story is centred around a female.

THISTHISTHIS!!!

I don't usually see the promo-thingies, since I don't watch much TV and if I did, over here we don't get to see the promo-thingies, but the examples she showed (and linked to) are really, really obvious about it. Wow, seeing this, being and actress must SUCK. And the one with The Closer was really mind-boggling. *shudder* I don't even like that show much, but really...
hells_half_acre
Jun. 14th, 2011 08:57 pm (UTC)
Oh man, yeah, like I said - I don't read comments. It's a shame people don't read things more carefully before they start typing/ranting.

It reminds me of this old SNL sketch with Gilda Radner...where she gives this whole rant about "violins" on tv, and then someone cuts in and said "I think it says 'violence'" and she says, "oh...nevermind!" Haha, it's a classic...but that's what I feel a lot of people do these days. Get all up in arms when they haven't even understood something.

Good point about overweight people not being on TV. It's very true that most of America is chubby...it always astounded me when I go down there (and it's not like Canada is much better, but my goodness, Americans are chubby.) I'm not sure how many chubby actresses there are. I know that they'd probably have a hard time casting chubby people in Vancouver, because Vancouverites tend to be very fit...and I can only imagine that they'd be MORE fit if they were actors.

Obviously, Dean doesn't actually meet any busty Asian beauties, because there are no Asians on the show :P ...and it's easier to have one night stands with dumb blondes. From what I've seen, Dean tends to fall in love with intelligent women...and intelligent women (with the exception of Lisa, who met Dean when she was around 19 by my guess) don't tend to hang out in dive-bars and go home with strangers.

I don't watch TV either so I didn't realize that about the advertisements...but I do see those sorts of printed ads on bus-shelters around town.
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