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American Gods

 I have now read American Gods by Neil Gaiman.

So, therefore, I now have the authority to say: Everyone who complained about Hammer of Gods being a rip-off/copy/poor-imitation is completely bonkers.

Four words: Holy Different Universe, Batman!

The ONLY similarity between American Gods and Supernatural is the idea that all gods exist and can appear in human form. Other than that, you're dealing with a whole other kettle of fish.

So, there you go. It only took me half a year, but I can finally have a stance on that argument. :-P

In other news: American Gods was an alright book! Next I'm going to read Anansi Boys.

Also, I'm having a bad day, so don't yell at me if you disagree...just leave it.

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la_mariane
Feb. 7th, 2011 07:29 pm (UTC)
Don't tell me someone thought Spn was an American Gods rip-off! I've read the book (one or two months ago?) and I didn't even think once of SPn while doing it. But now that I think about it, Dean drinving a Winnebago would be LOL-worthy!
hells_half_acre
Feb. 7th, 2011 07:47 pm (UTC)
Specifically they were just talking about Hammer of the Gods...but yeah...after hearing the complaint, I thought it'd be much more similar, but besides the basic concept that gods exist, there wasn't anything at all similar between the two universes.
trystan830
Feb. 7th, 2011 07:44 pm (UTC)
i read American Gods and Anansi Boys... in 2008. i don't remember alllll that much, except to say i totally agree with you. =D
hells_half_acre
Feb. 7th, 2011 07:48 pm (UTC)
:) Yay!
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akadougal
Feb. 7th, 2011 07:53 pm (UTC)
I like Anansi Boys much better, btw.
hells_half_acre
Feb. 7th, 2011 07:55 pm (UTC)
That seems to be the consensus with everyone I talk to. I'm going to start reading it this afternoon :)
jeymien
Feb. 7th, 2011 08:12 pm (UTC)
I always thought of that episode as being an homage to, not a rip off of American Gods. Core ideas were shared.

I totally love that book.
hells_half_acre
Feb. 7th, 2011 08:13 pm (UTC)
Indeed.

It took me a while to get into the book, but by the end I really liked it.
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lusciniate
Feb. 7th, 2011 08:27 pm (UTC)
Anansi boys were good, but I actually liked American Gods much better (I loved the whole story, loved the characters, language and many little things in the way how author wrote that story. Almost everything. ). So now I can offer one voice against that your "everyone" you talk to. Even if you are not talking to me :)

It seems you are now going through Gaiman books. Have you read/intend to read "Neverwhere"? Or this is just a coincidence that you have two Gaiman's books one after another?

hells_half_acre
Feb. 7th, 2011 08:40 pm (UTC)
Noted! I'm glad you told me - now I'm not expecting Anansi Boys to be better or worse. I was afraid it would get overhyped for me, the way people kept going on about how much they liked it.

This is SORT of a coincidence. I borrow audiobooks from the library, and they had Anansi Boys - but I looked at it's basic info, and it appeared that I should read American Gods first. So, I actually dipped into my pocket and BOUGHT the American Gods audiobook.

So, yes, I'm going through Gaiman books, but it's really just so that I can read Anansi Boys. The selection of audiobooks at the library is sort of slim...and I like authors to be recommended, rather than just trying anyone willy nilly. I knew enough people who liked Gaiman to give him a go. I also tend to like adventure stories, so he seemed a good bet.

So yeah, if you want to recommend other things for me, that'd be cool, and I could see if they have them at the library.
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galwithglasses
Feb. 7th, 2011 09:12 pm (UTC)
There is a pretty good gen crossover fic with American Gods and Supernatural Dust in the Wind by lyra_wing
hells_half_acre
Feb. 7th, 2011 09:15 pm (UTC)
Thanks! I'll check it out sometime :)
claudiapriscus
Feb. 7th, 2011 11:32 pm (UTC)
That was crazy. The ones that bugged me the most were the complaints that it wasn't ENOUGH like American Gods...you know, the ones that assumed that the supernatural 'verse HAD to conform to the same rules (e.g. believers = strength of the god, versions of the gods in each country) or all the fic that 'fixed' it so that it conformed with American Gods. I don't mind crossovers, but they weren't meant as crossovers. It was just kind of weird.
hells_half_acre
Feb. 7th, 2011 11:37 pm (UTC)
Oh man, yeah...that's ridiculous! It's like people complaining that the gods ate humans - um, this is Supernatural, everything non-human seems to eat/kill humans. This is ITS OWN UNIVERSE!

Sigh, anyway...yeah, people are crazy.
khek
Feb. 8th, 2011 02:06 am (UTC)
I had a really hard time getting into American Gods, to the point that I listened to it on CD in the car, rather than reading it. I really liked Anansi Boys much more.

There are so many books that have gods running around...there's no way that Supernatural did anything other than be motivated by similar sources. It all goes back to the popularity of mythology. (and Gaiman has said that he was inspired by other author's books...he's even dedicated most of his works to other authors.)
hells_half_acre
Feb. 8th, 2011 02:16 am (UTC)
Yeah, I think I probably couldn't have finished it if I hadn't been listening to it on audiobook while I worked.

And indeed, neither Supernatural nor Gaiman have the monopoly on modern stories of gods :P

mymuseandi
Feb. 8th, 2011 02:32 am (UTC)
The only Neil Gaiman books i've read completely are Coraline and Wolves in the Walls. They are both children's books! LOL

I do want to start reading his adult books, but never seem to get around to it.
hells_half_acre
Feb. 8th, 2011 03:05 am (UTC)
It's funny, I read kids books until I was around 13/14 and then I switched to adult novels...until I was last year and then I started reading "kids" books again. :P

Read what makes you happy! It doesn't matter what demographic it's meant for!
focaccina
Feb. 8th, 2011 04:01 am (UTC)
I never really finished the book... (I went through my brother's copy when I was staying over during a short break at his apartment, when he was in uni) and as much as I like Gaiman, I just couldn't get into it...

But no, just because they have similarities =/= they are the same thing.
hells_half_acre
Feb. 8th, 2011 04:06 am (UTC)
Yes, as I told claudiapriscus above, the problem with American Gods is that it has an inactive participant - he experiences the story passively, never making his own decisions or performing independent actions until nearly the end - although this was supposed to be a character point, the problem is that it makes it VERY hard for the reader to get involved in the story, or to feel excitement, or anything really...if your protagonist is inactive, your story will feel boring even if there is a lot going on.

I think Gaiman could have made the same character choice but written it a little differently so that the story was more engaging at the beginning. I think if I had tried to read the book, I wouldn't have made it through - it was only because it was the only thing I had to listen to while I worked that I was able to get to the point in the story where it actually becomes engaging.

But yeah...anyway...there's my storytelling-tip for the day.
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msninacat
Feb. 8th, 2011 05:22 am (UTC)
I am with you on that. It's well known that Kripke freely admits the things he was influenced by. The key word here is influenced. He wasn't trying to completely incorporate things exactly as they are. I know he's said he was influenced by Gaiman. You can't look at Crowley and not see that but the idiocy over that episode drives me insane. And not just the American Gods wank. I'll just keep liking the book and be smart enough to realize that the show is the show and the book is the book. Anansi Boys is good also. It's a bit different tone wise from American Gods but still a good read. I hope tomorrow is better for you!
hells_half_acre
Feb. 8th, 2011 05:30 am (UTC)
Thank you! I think part of my problem today was that I didn't get very much sleep last night...it's never a good thing.

I agree with everything you just said. There's a difference between being influenced (or playing homage) and "ripping off" and Kripke was certainly the former and not at all guilty of the latter.

But yes, the wank around that episode, even American Gods aside, is ridiculous :P But yes, no matter how many crossovers people write, the book is the book and the show is the show and never the twain shall meet.

I'm looking forward to Anansi Boys! I was supposed to start it this afternoon, but something came up. So, I'm starting it tomorrow instead. It's only ~10 hours (American Gods was ~20), so I'm hoping to be finished it by Thursday when it has to go back to the library.
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